>>The transformation of Dell into Dell emc. And now Dell Technologies has been one of the most remarkable stories in the history of the enterprise technology industry. The company has gone from a Wall Street darling rocket ship PC company to a Midling enterprise player, forced to go private to a debt laden powerhouse that controlled one of the most valuable assets in enterprise tech i e VMware, and now is a hundred billion dollar giant with a low margin business. A strong balance sheet in the broadest hardware portfolio in the industry and financial magic that Dell went through would make anyone's head spin. The last lever of Dell EMC of the Dell EMC deal was detailed in Michael Dell's book Play Nice But Win in a captivating chapter called Harry You and the Bolt from the Blue Michael Dell described how he and his colleagues came up with the final straw of how to finance the deal. >>If you haven't read it, you should. And of course, after years of successfully integrating EMC and becoming VMware's number one distribution channel, all of this culminated in the spin out of VMware from Dell and a massive wealth creation milestone pending, of course the Broadcom acquisition of VMware. So where's that leave Dell and what does the future look like for this technology powerhouse? Hello and welcome to the Cube's exclusive coverage of Dell Technology Summit 2022. My name is Dave Ante and I'll be hosting the program. Now today in conjunction with the Dell Tech Summit, we're gonna hear from four of Dell's senior executives, Tom Sweet, who's the CFO of Dell Technologies. He's gonna share his views on the company's position and opportunities going forward. He's gonna answer the question, why is Dell a good long-term investment? Then we'll hear from Jeff Boudreau, who's the president of Dell's ISG business. >>That unit is the largest profit driver of Dell. He's gonna talk about the product angle and specifically how Dell is thinking about solving the multi-cloud challenge. And then Sam Groot, who is the senior vice president of marketing, will come on the program and give us the update on Apex, which is Dell's as a service offering, and then the new Edge platform called Project Frontier. Now it's also cyber security Awareness month that we're gonna see if Sam has, you know, anything to say about that. Then finally, for a company that's nearly 40 years old, Dell actually has some pretty forward thinking philosophies when it comes to its culture and workforce. And we're gonna speak with Jen Vera, who's Dell's chief Human Resource Resource Officer about hybrid work and how Dell is thinking about the future of work. However, before we get into all this, I wanna share our independent perspectives on the company and some research that we'll introduce to frame the program. >>Now, as you know, we love data here at the cube and one of our partners, ETR has what we believe is the best spending intentions data for enterprise tech. So here's a graphic that shows ET R'S proprietary net score methodology in the vertical access. That's a measure of spending velocity. And on the X axis, his overlap of pervasiveness in the data sample, this is a cut for just the server, the storage, and the client sectors within the ETR taxonomy. So you can see Dell CSG products, laptops in particular are dominant on both the X and the Y dimensions. CSG is the client solutions group and accounts for nearly 60% of Dell's revenue and about half of its operating income. And then the arrow signifies that dot, that represents Dell's ISG business that we're gonna talk to Jeff Boudro about. That's the infrastructure solutions group. Now, ISG accounts for the bulk of of the remainder of Dell's business, and it is, it's, as I said, it's most profitable from a margin standpoint. >>It comprises the EMC storage business as well as the Dell server business and Dell's networking portfolio. And as a note, we didn't include networking in that cut had we done. So Cisco would've dominated the graphic. And frankly, Dell's networking business isn't industry leading in the same way that PCs, servers and storage are. And as you can see, the data confirms the leadership position Dell has in its client side, its server and its storage sectors. But the nuance is look at that red dotted line at 40% on the vertical axis that represents a highly elevated net score, and every company in the sector is below that line. Now we should mention that we also filtered the data for those companies with more than a hundred mentions in the survey, but the point remains the same. This is a mature business that generally is lower margin storage is the exception, but cloud has put pressure on margins even in that business in addition to the server space. >>The last point on this graphic is we put a box around VMware and it's prominently present on both the X and Y dimensions. VMware participates with purely software defined high margin offerings in this, in these spaces, and it gives you a sense of what might have been had Dell chosen to hold onto that asset or spin it into the company. But let's face it, the alternatives from Michael Dell were just too attractive and it's unlikely that a spin in would've unlocked the value in the way a spinout did, at least not in the near future. So let's take a look at the snapshot of Dell's financials. To give you a sense of where the company stands today, Dell is a company with over a hundred billion in revenue. Last quarter, it did more than 26 billion in revenue and grew at a quite amazing 9% rate for a company that size. >>But because it's a hardware company, primarily its margins are low with operating income, 10% of revenue, and at 21% gross margin with VMware on Dell's income statement before the spin, its gross margins. Were in the low thirties. Now, Dell only spends about 2% of revenue on r and d because because it's so big, it's still a lot of money. And you can see it is cash flow positive. Dell's free cash flow over the trailing 12 month period is 3.7 billion, but that's only 3.5% of trailing 12 month revenue. Dell's Apex, and of course it's hardware maintenance business is recurring revenue and that is only about 5 billion in revenue and it's growing at 8% annually. Now having said that, it's the equivalent of service now's total revenue. Of course, service now is 23% operating margin and 16% free cash flow margin and more than 5 billion in cash on the balance sheet and an 85 billion market cap. >>That's what software will do for you. Now Dell, like most companies, is staring at a challenging macro environment with FX headwinds, inflation, et cetera. You've heard the story and hence it's conservative and contracting revenue guidance. But the balance sheet transformation has been quite amazing. Thanks to VMware's cash flow, Michael Dell and his partners from Silver Lake at all, they put up around $4 billion of their own cash to buy EMC for 67 billion, and of course got VMware in the process. Most of that financing was debt that Dell put on its balance sheet to do the transaction to the tune of 46 billion. It added to the, to the balance sheet debt. Now Dell's debt, the core debt net of its financing operation is now down to 16 billion and it has 7 billion in cash in the balance sheet. So dramatic delta from just a few years ago. So pretty good picture. >>But Dell a hundred billion company is still only valued at 28 billion or around 26 cents on the revenue dollar H HP's revenue multiple is around 60 cents on the revenue dollar. HP Inc. Dell's, you know, laptop and PC competitor is around 45 cents. IBM's revenue multiple is almost two times. By the way, IBM has more than 50 billion in debt thanks to the Red Hat acquisition. And Cisco has a revenue multiple, it's over three x, about 3.3 x currently. So is Dell undervalued? Well, based on these comparisons with its peers, I'd say yes and no. Dell's performance relative to its peers in the market is very strong. It's winning and has an extremely adept go to market machine, but it's lack of software content and it's margin profile leads. One to believe that if it can continue to pull some valuation levers while entering new markets, it can get its valuation well above where it is today. >>So what are some of those levers and what might that look like going forward? Despite the fact that Dell doesn't have a huge software revenue component since spinning out VMware and it doesn't own a cloud, it plays in virtually every part of the hardware market and it can provide infrastructure for pr pretty much any application in any use case and pretty much any industry and pretty much any geography in the world and it can serve those customers. So its size is an advantage. However, the history for hardware heavy companies that try to get bigger has some notable failures, namely hp, which had to split into two businesses, HP Inc. And hp E and ibm, which has had in abysmal decade from a performance standpoint and has had to shrink to grow again and obviously do a massive 34 billion acquisition of Red Hat. So why will Dell do any better than these two? >>Well, it has a fantastic supply chain. It's a founder led company, which makes a cultural difference in our view, and it's actually comfortable with a low margin software, light business model. Most certainly, IBM wasn't comfortable with that and didn't have these characteristics, and HP was kind of just incomprehensible at the end. So Dell in my opinion, is a much better chance of doing well at a hundred billion or over, but we'll see how it navigates through the current headwinds as it's guiding down. Apex is essentially Dell's version of the cloud. Now remember, Dell got started late. HPE is further along from a model standpoint with GreenLake, but Dell has a larger portfolio, so they're gonna try to play on that advantage. But at the end of the day, these as a service offerings are simply ways to bring a utility model to existing customers and generate recurring revenue. >>And that's a good thing because customers will be loyal to an incumbent if it can deliver as a service and reduce risk for for customers. But the real opportunity lies ahead, specifically Dell is embracing the cloud model. It took a while, but they're on board as Matt Baker Dell's senior vice president of corporate strategy likes to say it's not a zero sum game. What it means by that is just because Dell doesn't own its own cloud, it doesn't mean Dell can't build value on top of hyperscale clouds, what we call super cloud. And that's Dell's strategy to take advantage of public cloud CapEx and connect on-prem to the cloud, create a unified experience across clouds and out to the edge that's ambitious and technically it's non-trivial. But listen to Dell's vice chairman and Coco, Jeff Clark, explain this vision, please play the clip. >>You said also technology and business models are tied together and enabler. That's if, if you believe that, then you have to believe that it's a business operating system that they want, They want to leverage whatever they can, and at the end of the day there's, they have to differentiate what they do. Well that, that's >>Exactly right. If I take that and what, what Dave was saying and and I, and I summarize it the following way, if we can take these cloud assets and capabilities, combine them in an orchestrated way to delivery a distributed platform, game over, >>Eh, pretty interesting, right? John Freer called it a business operating system. Essentially, I think of it sometimes as a cloud operating system or cloud operating environment to drive new business value on top of the hyperscale CapEx. Now, is it really game over? As Jeff Clark said, if Dell can do that, I'd say if it had that today, it might be game over for the competition, but this vision will take years to play out. And of course it's gotta be funded and now it's gonna take time. And in this industry it tends to move. Companies tend to move in lockstep. So as often as the case, it's gonna come down to execution and Dell's ability to enter new markets that are ideally, at least from my perspective, higher margin data management, extending data protection into cyber security as an adjacency and of course edge at telco slash 5G opportunities. >>All there for the taking. I mean, look, even if Dell doesn't go after more higher margin software content, it can thrive with a lower margin model just by penetrating new markets and throwing off cash from those markets. But by keeping close to customers and maybe through Tuck in acquisitions, it might be able to find the next nugget beyond today's cloud and on-prem models. And the last thing I'll call out is ecosystem. I say here ecosystem, ecosystem, ecosystem. Because a defining characteristic of a cloud player is ecosystem, and if Apex is Dell's cloud, it has the opportunity to expand that ecosystem dramatically. This is one of the company's biggest opportunities and challenges. At the same time, in my view, it's just scratching the surface on its partner ecosystem. And it's ecosystem today is is both reseller heavy and tech partner heavy. And that's not a bad thing, but in a, but it's starting to evolve more rapidly. >>The snowflake deal is an example of up to stack evolution, but I'd like to see much more out of that snowflake relationship and more relationships like that. Specifically I'd like to see more momentum with data and database. And if we live at a data heavy world, which we do, where the data and the database and data management offerings, you know, coexist and are super important to customers, like to see that inside of Apex, like to see that data play beyond storage, which is really where it is today and it's early days. The point is with Dell's go to market advantage, which which company wouldn't treat Dell like the on-prem hybrid edge super cloud player that I wanna partner with to drive more business. You'd be crazy not to, but Dell has a lot on its plate and we'd like to see some serious acceleration on the ecosystem front. In other words, Dell as both a selling partner and a business enabler with its platform, its programmable infrastructure as a service. And that is a moving target that will rapidly involve. And of course we'll be here watching and reporting. So thanks for watching this preview of Dell Technology Summit 2022. I'm Dave Vte. We hope you enjoy the rest of the program.

(upbeat music) >> With cloud computing, programmable infrastructure, open source momentum with things like Terraform and software defined everything, people have been asking, "Does hardware still matter?" The obvious answer is software has to run on something but why does hardware still matter specifically? What customer value is there in advanced hardware architectures and what are some of the less frequently discussed nuances of hardware that make software run better and businesses run more efficiently and securely at scale. Welcome to the Cube's ongoing series where we explore the importance of hardware its evolution over the decades and its future outlook with me is longtime cubilam, Shannon Champion. Who's the vice president of Product Marketing at Dell Technologies. Welcome Shannon. >> Thank you. Glad to be here. >> Yeah, it's always great to collaborate with you. Shannon, you've had a pretty impressive career. You've got this killer combination of you have an engineering degree, multiple engineering degrees actually combined with business education. You've worked as a semiconductor engineer, a quality engineer, product manager, product marketing exec, et cetera. And you now have responsibility for a variety of hardware and software led infrastructure at Dell. How have you seen hardware evolve over the years? >> Well, first of all, thank you. I appreciate that intro Dave. Yeah, it's been a fun journey. I think there's two things. I think there's a product led evolution and then there's customer evolution. And obviously those go hand in hand. If you think about the technology from a hardware perspective, it's become more advanced, more specialized and the diversification of chip architectures is really what's driving that. It's gone from general purpose CPUs to GPUs, to specialty processors like, DPUs and purpose-built accelerators. And with all that specialization, obviously more and more software is required to really knit it together. We believe Dell is uniquely positioned to do that. >> Awesome. So I want to just come right out and ask you, you know, with cloud and software defined and hyper-converged why specifically does hardware still matter? >> Well, if you know anything about Dell, you know we are driven by customer first mindset. So I'm going to go back to that customer evolution I talked about and from a customer perspective, purchase decisions used to be more about feature function, Like how much compute memory storage can you pack in and get the best performance characteristics. Of course, people still care about this and almost every customer, if you look at the widespread surveys that have been done in the industry projections are still going to be making data center infrastructure purchases for the foreseeable future, but more and more, these sort of like traditional hardware capabilities are table stakes. And what customers are making purchase decisions on are the software driven capabilities that provide the differentiating capabilities to allow them to do more with less. So with that sort of comes a refocusing of where IT adds value for their organizations. We know maintaining and managing the infrastructure is not what differentiates companies and makes them stand out from the crowd. So that's what this whole notion of IT Transformation is all about. Our customers are pulling us into a broader set of problems and their purchase criteria is moving away from hardware feature function to differentiated solution and software value decision making with more focus on how they can drive business value beyond the infrastructure. So it's really the combination of hardware with software that optimizes and delivers the best outcomes and the tighter the link we can create between them the more seamless the experience for customers. >> Gotcha and I mean, this is more important than ever with the push toward digital transformation. And everybody's trying to get digital right. Now thinking about Dell as a company and its broader strategy, the majority of revenue comes from what most people would think of as hardware but as Jeff Clark often points out, the vast majority of engineers are software engineers. Can you explain how that dynamic works and what role hardware plays in that equation? >> Yeah, totally. So if you think about IT transformation infrastructure is the enabler of that transformation, but infrastructure needs to be smarter, easier, more automated, more secure. And that's done with software and our software engineering focus is nothing new. I think Dave, we were together five years ago talking about the latest version of HCI on the 14th generation of power edge servers. And at that time we were talking about how our hardware platform engineers were working with the software engineers to design in software defined storage capabilities within the power edge platform. So, you know, we, that we are not new to this. We've been looking at ways we can use software to exploit the underlying hardware features and capabilities and do that in a differentiated way because it delivers value for customers. And honestly, they're willing to pay a premium for that. >> Yeah. I remember that well, 14G now 15G, soon we're going to be talking about 16G. Can you give me an example of where hardware differentiation has created value for your customers beyond, you know what a straight software only solution running on generic white boxes might bring? >> Yeah, I have a couple of examples. The first is easily VxRail, right? VxRail, our jointly engineered HCI system with VMware. It provides full stack integration of hardware and software for that consistent operations in VMware environments. And when you think about evolution of infrastructure VxRail is actually a cool story. When it was introduced six years ago its scalability and performance, you know had it be rapidly adopted mainly in the data center but customer demands have evolved and they wanted to extend that operational efficiency to a broader and broader set of workloads. Not only in the data center, but in the cloud at the edge. So VxRail grew and its portfolio today has maximum flexibility. You can choose the best platform to meet performance, storage, graphics, IO, cost requirements a range of processor types and NVMe drives and graphics cards. So it really is the most configurable HCI system to meet any workload demand. And we recently introduced some new node types. That's hardware based, right? VxRail dynamic nodes and satellite nodes and our customers and partners are really excited about these, the dynamic nodes, as you know add the capability to scale compute and storage independently and extend to primary storage like power store and the satellite nodes are single nodes for the edge. So that's all hardware stuff, but the secret to VxRail really is more about the software. So I'm going to go back there. The VxRail HCI system software is what makes VxRail more seamless and simple than any other HCI system. And when managing your environment is easier and more automated and your workloads can stay up and running, leveraging that intelligent life cycle management customers pay attention. So again, it's that combination of hardware and software and for VxRail customers it's how we're delivering that truly curated experience like we like to call it that they can't get anywhere else. >> Awesome. So last question. Anything else you want to bring into the discussion before we close? >> Yeah. Two things, actually I have another good example of hardware differentiation and how it creates value for customers. And this one is based upon PowerStore. So PowerStore inline data reduction uses Intel quick assist technology and it performs hardware accelerated compression. So it's basically handling data reduction in hardware. We offload the compute intensive workloads of compression and conserve the CPU cycles for storage IO tasks that save application and storage processing time, cycles and costs. So it's a more consistent way to do storage efficiency and leverage power storage advance inline compression and it's always on, and it doesn't compromise performance of other services. So, with PowerStore using this hardware differentiated approach to inline data reduction, customers get an average four to one data reduction across all their workloads, don't compromise performance or services. And honestly, a lot of times we see them achieving up to 20 to 1 or more depending on the data type. So yeah, I just wanted to throw out that other example. >> Great. >> The last thing I'll say is we just launched a trifecta storage innovation at Dell Technologies World. We have over 500 new high value software enhancements that bring out the best in our storage hardware platforms and that's across PowerStore, PowerMax and PowerFlex. So I encourage folks to go check that out and you know obviously let us know what you think. >> Yeah. We can put a link to those in the show notes. And I was there at Dell Tech World. It was actually quite amazing. Shannon, thanks so much for coming on and sharing your insights really appreciate it. >> My pleasure. >> All right. And thank you for watching this Cube conversation. This is Dave Vellante and we'll see you next time. (upbeat music)

>> From The Cube studios in Palo Alto, in Boston, bringing you data driven insights from the cube and ETR. This is breaking analysis with Dave Vellante. >> Last year, we noted in a breaking analysis that the cloud ecosystem is innovating beyond the idea or notion of multi-cloud. We've said for years that multi-cloud is really not a strategy but rather a symptom of multi-vendor. And we coined this term supercloud to describe an abstraction layer that lives above the hyperscale infrastructure that hides the underlying complexities, the APIs, and the primitives of each of the respective clouds. It interconnects whether it's On-Prem, AWS, Azure, Google, stretching out to the edge and creates a value layer on top of that. So our vision is that supercloud is more than running an individual service in cloud native mode within an individual individual cloud rather it's this new layer that builds on top of the hyperscalers. And does things irrespective of location adds value and we'll get into that in more detail. Now it turns out that we weren't the only ones thinking about this, not surprisingly, the majority of the technology ecosystem has been working towards this vision in various forms, including some examples that actually don't try to hide the underlying primitives. And we'll talk about that, but give a consistent experience across the DevSecOps tool chain. Hello, and welcome to this week's Wikibon, Cube insights powered by ETR. In this breaking analysis, we're going to share some recent examples and direct quotes about supercloud from the many Cube guests that we've had on over the last several weeks and months. And we've been trying to test this concept of supercloud. Is it technically feasible? Is it business rational? Is there business case for it? And we'll also share some recent ETR data to put this into context with some of the players that we think are going after this opportunity and where they are in their supercloud build out. And as you can see I'm not in the studio, everybody's got COVID so the studios shut down temporarily but breaking analysis continues. So here we go. Now, first thing is we uncovered an article from earlier this year by Lori MacVittie, is entitled, Supercloud: The 22 Answer to Multi-Cloud Challenges. What a great title. Of course we love it. Now, what really interested us here is not just the title, but the notion that it really doesn't matter what it's called, who cares? Supercloud, distributed cloud, someone even called it Metacloud recently, and we'll get into that. But Lori is a technologist. She's a developer by background. She works at F-Five and she's partial to the supercloud definition that was put forth by Cornell. You can see it here. That's a cloud architecture that enables application migration as a service across different availability zones or cloud providers, et cetera. And that the supercloud provides interfaces to allocate, migrate and terminate resources... And can span all major public cloud providers as well as private clouds. Now, of course, we would take that as well to the edge. So sure. That sounds about right and provides further confirmation that something new is really happening out there. And that was our initial premise when we put this fourth last year. Now we want to dig deeper and hear from the many Cube guests that we've interviewed recently probing about this topic. We're going to start with Chuck Whitten. He's Dell's new Co-COO and most likely part of the Dell succession plan, many years down the road hopefully. He coined the phrase multi-cloud by default versus multi-cloud by design. And he provides a really good business perspective. He's not a deep technologist. We're going to hear from Chuck a couple of times today including one where John Furrier asks him about leveraging hyperscale CapEx. That's an important concept that's fundamental to supercloud. Now, Ashesh Badani heads products at Red Hat and he talks about what he calls Metacloud. Again, it doesn't matter to us what you call it but it's the ecosystem gathering and innovating and we're going to get his perspective. Now we have a couple of clips from Danny Allan. He is the CTO of Veeam. He's a deep technologist and super into the weeds, which we love. And he talks about how Veeam abstracts the cloud layer. Again, a concept that's fundamental to supercloud and he describes what a supercloud is to him. And we also bring with Danny the edge discussion to the conversation. Now the bottom line from Danny is we want to know is supercloud technically feasible? And is it a thing? And then we have Jeff Clarke. Jeff Clark is the Co-COO and Vice Chairman of Dell super experienced individual. He lays out his vision of supercloud and what John Furrier calls a business operating system. You're going to hear from John a couple times. And he, Jeff Clark has a dropped the mic moment, where he says, if we can do this X, we'll describe what X is, it's game over. Okay. So of course we wanted to then go to HPE, one of Dell's biggest competitors and Patrick Osborne is the vice president of the storage business unit at Hewlett Packet Enterprise. And so given Jeff Clarke's game over strategy, we want to understand how HPE sees supercloud. And the bottom line, according to Patrick Osborne is that it's real. So you'll hear from him. And now Raghu Raghuram is the CEO of VMware. He threw a curve ball at this supercloud concept. And he flat out says, no, we don't want to hide the underlying primitives. We want to give developers access to those. We want to create a consistent developer experience in that DevsSecOps tool chain and Kubernetes runtime environments, and connect all the elements in the application development stack. So that's a really interesting perspective that Raghu brings. And then we end on Itzik Reich. Itzik is a technologist and a technical team leader who's worked as a go between customers and product developers for a number of years. And we asked Itzik, is supercloud technically feasible and will it be a reality? So let's hear from these experts and you can decide for yourselves how real supercloud is today and where it is, run the sizzle >> Operative phrase is multi-cloud by default that's kind of the buzz from your keynote. What do you mean by that? >> Well, look, customers have woken up with multiple clouds, multiple public clouds, On-Premise clouds increasingly as the edge becomes much more a reality for customers clouds at the edge. And so that's what we mean by multi-cloud by default. It's not yet been designed strategically. I think our argument yesterday was, it can be and it should be. It is a very logical place for architecture to land because ultimately customers want the innovation across all of the hyperscale public clouds. They will see workloads and use cases where they want to maintain an On-Premise cloud, On-Premise clouds are not going away, I mentioned edge clouds, so it should be strategic. It's just not today. It doesn't work particularly well today. So when we say multi-cloud by default we mean that's the state of the world today. Our goal is to bring multi-cloud by design as you heard. >> Really great question, actually, since you and I talked, Dave, I've been spending some time noodling just over that. And you're right. There's probably some terminology, something that will get developed either by us or in collaboration with the industry. Where we sort of almost have the next almost like a Metacloud that we're working our way towards. >> So we manage both the snapshots and we convert it into the Veeam portable data format. And here's where the supercloud comes into play. Because if I can convert it into the Veeam portable data format, I can move that OS anywhere. I can move it from physical to virtual, to cloud, to another cloud, back to virtual, I can put it back on physical if I want to. It actually abstracts the cloud layer. There are things that we do when we go between cloud some use BIOS, some use UEFI, but we have the data in backup format, not snapshot format, that's theirs, but we have it in backup format that we can move around and abstract workloads across all of the infrastructure. >> And your catalog is control in control of that. Is that right? Am I thinking about that the right way? >> Yeah it is, 100%. And you know what's interesting about our catalog, Dave, the catalog is inside the backup. Yes. So here's, what's interesting about the edge, two things, on the edge you don't want to have any state, if you can help it. And so containers help with that You can have stateless environments, some persistent data storage But we not not only provide the portability in operating systems, we also do this for containers. And that's true. If you go to the cloud and you're using say EKS with relational database services RDS for the persistent data later, we can pick that up and move it to GKE or move it to OpenShift On-Premises. And so that's why I call this the supercloud, we have all of this data. Actually, I think you termed the term supercloud. >> Yeah. But thank you for... I mean, I'm looking for a confirmation from a technologist that it's technically feasible. >> It is technically feasible and you can do it today. >> You said also technology and business models are tied together and enabler. If you believe that then you have to believe that it's a business operating system that they want. They want to leverage whatever they can. And at the end of the day, they have to differentiate what they do. >> Well, that's exactly right. If I take that in what Dave was saying and I summarize it the following way, if we can take these cloud assets and capabilities, combine them in an orchestrated way to deliver a distributed platform, game over. >> We have a number of platforms that are providing whether it's compute or networking or storage, running those workloads that they plum up into the cloud they have an operational experience in the cloud and they now they have data services that are running in the cloud for us in GreenLake. So it's a reality, we have a number of platforms that support that. We're going to have a a set of big announcements coming up at HPE Discover. So we led with Electra and we have a block service. We have VM backup as a service and DR on top of that. So that's something that we're providing today. GreenLake has over, I think it's actually over 60 services right now that we're providing in the GreenLake platform itself. Everything from security, single sign on, customer IDs, everything. So it's real. We have the proofpoint for it. >> Yeah. So I want to clarify something that you said because this tends to be very commonly confused by customers. I use the word abstraction. And usually when people think of abstraction, they think it hides capabilities of the cloud providers. That's not what we are trying to do. In fact, that's the last thing we are trying to do. What we are trying to do is to provide a consistent developer experience regardless of where you want to build your application. So that you can use the cloud provider services if that's what you want to use. But the DevSecOp tool chain, the runtime environment which turns out to be Kubernetes and how you control the Kubernetes environment, how do you manage and secure and connect all of these things. Those are the places where we are adding the value. And so really the VMware value proposition is you can build on the cloud of your choice but providing these consistent elements, number one, you can make better use of us, your scarce developer or operator resources and expertise. And number two, you can move faster. And number three, you can just spend less as a result of this. So that's really what we are trying to do. We are not... So I just wanted to clarify the word abstraction. In terms of where are we? We are still, I would say, in the early stages. So if you look at what customers are trying to do, they're trying to build these greenfield applications. And there is an entire ecosystem emerging around Kubernetes. There is still, Kubernetes is not a developer platform. The developer experience on top of Kubernetes is highly inconsistent. And so those are some of the areas where we are introducing new innovations with our Tanzu Application Platform. And then if you take enterprise applications, what does it take to have enterprise applications running all the time be entirely secure, et cetera. >> Well, look, the multi-cloud by default today are isolated clouds. They don't work together. Your data is siloed. It's locked up and it is expensive to move and make sense of it. So I think the word you and I were batting around before, this is an interconnected tissue. That's what the world needs. They need the clouds to work together as a single platform. That's the problem that we're trying to solve. And you saw it in some of our announcements here that we're starting to make steps on that journey to make multi-cloud work together much simpler. >> It's interesting, you mentioned the hyperscalers and all that CapEx investments. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of a cloud and build on the CapEx and then ultimately have the solutions machine learning as one area. You see some specialization with the clouds. But you start to see the rise of superclouds, Dave calls them, and that's where you can innovate on a cloud then go to the multiple clouds. Snowflakes is one, we see a lot of examples of supercloud... >> Project Alpine was another one. I mean, it's early, but it's its clearly where you're going. The technology is just starting to come around. I mean it's real. >> Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't you want to take advantage of all of the cloud innovation out there? >> Is that something that's, that supercloud idea is a reality from a technologist perspective. >> I think it is. So for example Katie Gordon, which I believe you've interviewed earlier this week, was demonstrating the Kubernetes data mobility aspect which is another project. That's exactly part of the it's rationale, the rationale of customers being able to move some of their Kubernetes workloads to the cloud and back and between different clouds. Why are we doing? Because customers wants to have the ability to move between different cloud providers, using a common API that will be able to orchestrate all of those things with a self-service that may be offered via the APEX console itself. So it's all around enabling developers and meeting them where they are today and also meeting them into tomorrow's world where they actually may have changed their mind to do those things. So yes we are walking on all of those different aspects. >> Okay. Let's take a quick look at some of the ETR data. This is an X-Y graph. You've seen it a number of times on breaking analysis, it plots the net score or spending momentum on the Y-axis and overlap or pervasiveness in the ETR dataset on the X-axis, used to be called market share. I think that term was off putting to some people, but anyway it's an indicator of presence in the dataset. Now that red dotted line that's rarefied air where anything above that line is considered highly elevated. Now you can see we've plotted Azure and AWS in the upper right. GCP is in there and Kubernetes. We've done that as reference points. They're not necessarily building supercloud platforms. We'll see if they ever want to do so. And Kubernetes of course not a company, but we put 'em in there for context. And we've cherry picked a few players that we believe are building out or are important for supercloud build out. Let's start with Snowflake. We've talked a lot about this company. You can see they're highly elevated on the vertical axis. We see the data cloud as a supercloud in the making. You've got pure storage in there. They made the public, the early part of its supercloud journey at Accelerate 2019 when it unveiled a hybrid block storage service inside of AWS, it connects its On-Prem to AWS and creates that singular experience for pure customers. We see Hashi, HashiCorp as an enabling infrastructure, as code. So they're enabling infrastructure as code across different clouds and different locations. You see Nutanix. They're embarking on their multi-cloud strategy but it's doing so in a way that we think is supercloud, like now. Now Veeam, we were just at VeeamON. And this company has tied Dell for the number one revenue player in data protection. That's according to IDC. And we don't think it won't be long before it holds that position alone at the top as it's growing faster than in Dell in the space. We'll see, Dell is kind of waking up a little bit and putting more resource on that. But Veeam, they're a pure play vendor in data protection. And you heard their CTO, Danny Allan's view on Supercloud, they're doing it today. And we heard extensive comments as well from Dell that's clearly where they're headed, project Alpine was an early example from Dell technologies world of Supercloud in our view. And HPE with GreenLake. Finally beginning to talk about that cross cloud experience. I think it in initially HPE has been more focused on the private cloud, we'll continue to probe. We'll be at HPE discover later on the spring, actually end of June. And we'll continue to probe to see what HPE is doing specifically with GreenLake. Now, finally, Cisco, we put them on the chart. We don't have direct quotes from recent shows and events but this data really shows you the size of Cisco's footprint within the ETR data set that's on the X-axis. Now the cut of this ETR data includes all sectors across the ETR taxonomy which is not something that we commonly show but you can see the magnitude of Cisco's presence. It's impressive. Now, they had better, Cisco that is, had better be building out a supercloud in our view or they're going to be left behind. And I'm quite certain that they're actually going to do so. So we have a lot of evidence that we're putting forth here and seeing in the marketplace what we said last year, the ecosystem is take taking shape, supercloud is forming and becoming a thing. And really in our view, is the future of cloud. But there are always risks to these predictive scenarios and we want to acknowledge those. So first, look, we could end up with a bunch of bespoke superclouds. Now one supercloud is better than three separate cloud native services that do fundamentally the same thing from the same vendor. One for AWS, one for GCP and one for Azure. So maybe that's not all that bad. But to point number two, we hope there evolves a set of open standards for self-service infrastructure, federated governance, and data sharing that will evolve as a horizontal layer versus a set of proprietary vendor specific tools. Now, maybe a company like Veeam will provide that as a data management layer or some of Veeam's competitors or maybe it'll emerge again as open source. As well, and this next point, we see the potential for edge disruptions, changing the economics of the data center. Edge in fact could evolve on its own, independent of the cloud. In fact, David Floria sees the edge somewhat differently from Danny Allan. Floria says he sees a requirement for distributed stateful environments that are ephemeral where recovery is built in. And I said, David, stateful? Ephemeral? Stateful ephemeral? Isn't that an oxymoron? And he responded that, look, if it's not ephemeral the costs are going to be prohibitive. He said the biggest mistake the companies could make is thinking that the edge is simply an extension of their current cloud strategies. We're seeing that a lot. Dell largely talks about the edge as retail. Now, and Telco is a little bit different, but back to Floria's comments, he feels companies have to completely reimagine an integrated file and recovery system which is much more data efficient. And he believes that the technology will evolve with massive volumes and eventually seep into enterprise cloud and distributed data centers with better economics. In other words, as David Michelle recently wrote, we're about 15 years into the most recent cloud cycle and history shows that every 15 years or so, something new comes along that is a blind spot and highly disruptive to existing leaders. So number four here is really important. Remember, in 2007 before AWS introduced the modern cloud, IBM outpost, sorry, IBM outspent Amazon and Google and RND and CapEx and was really comparable to Microsoft. But instead of inventing cloud, IBM spent hundreds of billions of dollars on stock buybacks and dividends. And so our view is that innovation rewards leaders. And while it's not without risks, it's what powers the technology industry it always has and likely always will. So we'll be watching that very closely, how companies choose to spend their free cash flow. Okay. That's it for now. Thanks for watching this episode of The Cube Insights, powered by ETR. Thanks to Stephanie Chan who does some of the background research? Alex Morrison is on production and is going to compile all this stuff. Thank you, Alex. We're all remote this week. Kristen Nicole and Cheryl Knight do Cube distribution and social distribution and get the word out, so thank you. Robert Hof is our editor in chief. 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>>The cube presents, Dell technologies world brought to you by Dell. >>Okay. Welcome back everyone. Day three of Dell tech world cubes live coverage in Las Vegas are down on the floor live event hybrid event as well online. If you're interested in seeing some of the replays, I'm John furrier with the cube with Dave LAN next guest, she cook senior vice president global channel at Dell tech know is Cub alumni. Great to see you in person. >>Thank you. Great to see you both in, in person. How >>Are you? We had a virtual virtual last year, but this year in person, a lot of action, a lot of big announcements. The big story is the snowflake deal. You're seeing the new architecture by design multi-cloud by design of variety. Everything. Cyber is huge. Now the partners are playing a huge role. So the notion channel and partner value add is really at an all time high. Could you share your, your thoughts on where you see it, where we are today and where's it going? >>Thank you. I absolutely couldn't agree more and I'm an optimist by nature, but I actually think the timing for the partner community and the partner ecosystem en large has never been brighter. So a lot of the themes we've been discussing is just the inherent complexity that our customers are trying to navigate through multi-cloud and multiple business models, consumption models that is so uniquely well positioned for what our partners do. So our partners help navigate those complexities for our customers. They bring a lot of expertise in not just infrastructure in multiple stacks and workloads, but also in verticals and industry expertise. And everything's moving use case workload industry centric. And I think our partners are incredibly well positioned. >>You know, you know, the game still remains the same, but the world changes in indirect and partner relationships. And, you know, we use words like ISV VA, a reseller at the end of the day, they're helping customers with solutions and the game has changed. Could you share your thoughts on what's different now because we're seeing a rise of more managed services plugging into your, your relationships and the value you guys bring. So it's still the same game value creation, helping customers making money. >>Absolutely. And I think, you know, the one trend that we're definitely seeing is everybody is overwhelmed with the complexity. And I think we all can acknowledge that one size doesn't fit all for every workload, whether it's a deployment model in a public cloud on premise, a private cloud, some customers wanna go asset light. How do I put, put it in a co-location facility? So customers are in charge right now. It's actually about their choice. And what we're trying to do with a lot of these partnerships and announcements is really enable and empower our partners to be able to meet their needs and offer the right solution for what they have, where they need to need to spend it. And I just think it's an incredible opportunity and the lines are blurring frankly, in the ecosystem. So many of these partners are participating in multiple business models already. So our notion of an MSP, a CSP, a reseller, it's kind of, yes, they're all doing it. <laugh> it's >>Called cloud. John John mentioned the snowflake deal. I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit in the, in the old days, it would've been Dell go into snowflake saying, Hey, your software can run really fast on our box. Yeah. You know, so we should go to market and do something together. It's a totally different dynamic. Now can, can you explain kind of how that deal came about and what the dynamic was like? Yeah. >>We're actually really excited about the snowflake partnership because I think it's a fabulous example and an expression of what the true partner ecosystem can represent. And what it really showed is we've got out a fabulous piece of technology and so innovative with snowflake in their analytics platform. And it was, cloud-based only, we have a lot of customers that for sovereignty reasons, security reasons, policies, what have you that have a lot of on-premise on Dell storage, quite frankly. So what this partnership enabled was the ability to export and take data off premise into their cloud for analytics and get it back. But as importantly for their customers, it now gives them the ability to take their IP and their snowflake analytics platform on premise to where the Dell storage is. And that's an incredibly strong example of how a, it's a really strong win-win partnership between Dell and snowflake, but it's a great win for our partners and customers to be able to leverage the best of both IP where it's appropriate. >>Oh. And by the way, to run really fast. Absolutely. But completely different discussion and dynamic in terms of going into that deal. Interesting. >>Absolutely. Absolutely. So >>That's a good example of the services that are emerging. So also highlights that that didn't exist before that, that use case. So as partners come in and want to make more money, there's tons of margin for them to build solutions and they're in multiple business models. Can you give an example of some of the hot trends? Is it as a service? Is it what models do you see kind of like evolving as kind of like the lead play for most of the, >>I, I would say, you know, the reason I think our partners are so incredibly well positioned is like some of our strongest partners. They all have relationships with the hyperscalers too. So they have practices built around AWS and as Azure and the like, and right now workloads can't live in one single place partner are so uniquely well positioned to advise and counsel their customers and do all the value added services you mentioned on where is the best fit in place for that workload. And what we're aiming to do is empower those partners and give them consistency in operating experiences, management experiences. So though that no matter where the data or the workload goes, those partners deep investments in their skills and their expertise is leveragable and extendable across wherever it lands. >>Yeah. Cheryl, we always have great conversations around the channel, the relationship and the value opportunities for them to make money and serve customers. But I wanna get your thoughts on, on what's just happened over the past three years, the pandemic has really shined the light on the value of partners, um, in, in, in a time where everyone's working at home and, and COVID has happened with the pandemic partners stepped up. Oh, and so can you share what was some of the highlights and, and, and different success trends you saw at the pandemic? Because they had to move fast with technology, people who weren't on the front end had to catch up fast, but yet were handicapped by the, by the pandemic. >>Yeah. You know, it's really revealed just so many inspirational stories actually. But I think what we learned and what we saw is PA partners are local partners are intimate with customers. They understand their business and they understand their need. And then when they leaned into a relationship with Dell, it was everybody focused on the customer. And at first it was business continuity, right? I mean, resiliency, how do we do it? How do we enable them to get their worker productive and working remote? And I think customers just needed help and they reach local, right. And the partners that are there have the expertise, as we know, it's not the first time they've done these deployments and they had the reach and scale. And I honestly think some of the joint success we enjoyed through that crazy phenomenal period <affirmative> is frankly, a Testament to let's just stay focused on the customer. I think our supply chain showed up, frankly. I think we helped navigate that and be responsive, but the opportunity was incredible. >>I heard people say the internet and partners saved, um, companies from going under with the pandemic. Can you give an example of, of what's changed for Dell because you who has had to rely on partners, what new learnings and changes came out of the pandemic because they had to solve the problems fast for customers. Did it change how you operate and how you run your business? >>So well, I'll tell you, I mean, I'll give you a real world example. What we kind of mobilized real quickly was all about digital selling and virtual selling and digital demand creation. And, you know, nobody could hold an event anymore and that's the way we all build pipeline and drive demand. And we have learned at a necessity how productive and efficient virtual opportunities can be. And we can also learn when, you know, Michael calls it zoom airlines, right. That we were on, you know, we could take our best experts and our most technical resources and engage them in five or 10 customer engagements. We opened that to our partners. We took our executive briefing center, made that virtual and all of that just unlocked the ability to one, meet the demand. And then as we've learned, we were just describing, I think it's gonna be hybrid. You know, some of those lessons learned and how fabulously efficient they were, are gonna continue. And we can't wait to get back in person too. It really makes >>The digital piece really work. We're calling it cube plus digital on our side, but we're now integrating digital. You have to have that first class citizen digital into your physical operations. >>Absolutely. We called it digital first. And I think, you know, we have so much evidence and data on buyer behavior changing. You know, the two years we all spent at home, we're all bringing, you know, our all online preferences to our B2B life and existence. And people want that simplified, elegant, responsive experience even where we are now. And we learned through the pandemic, frankly, that, you know, the MDF resources we extended to our partners, the work we did on digital activities was far more profit efficient. The returns are, I mean, the evidence speaks for itself. So it's phenomenal partner >>Partnership by definition implies a two-way relationship. And so what's your secret to scaling partnerships and making sure that you can give all your partners the attention, maybe not equally, obviously there's tier, but what's your, what's your trick there? >>Well, I think, you know, one size doesn't fit all. And I think that applies to our partner ecosystem. We've been talking about deployment models and clouds, et cetera. And we're gonna have a traditional partner program where we're gonna have coverage and resources and some of our largest partners. But then we lean into ISV relationships, distribution relationships that help extend and cascade the experience with Dell, our training and enablement the opportunity. And I think one of the trends we're also seeing is we're gonna have multiple partners engaging on single opportunities and that's where they're gonna play to their strengths. And we're gonna continue to have to enable that, you >>Know, that brings a good point. Just wanna riff on this real quick, if you don't mind, the local angle that you mentioned partners are local, um, partners are servicing. They're changing with you. Look at the edge. Jeff Clark was talking about the future, how the edge, uh, and data is so important and new personas like data engineerings, emerging data as code Caitlin was talking about you can't get more local than a 5g tower with absolutely with boxes there. And if you look at the hyperscalers trying to do these regional, uh, areas, Dell's actually positioned well with their partners to actually do what you've been doing, all your, all your, the company's history, deploying solutions, absolutely. At the edge. Absolutely. Which is essentially the customers, your reaction to that. Well, >>Like I said, I'm so bullish on the opportunity for partners going forward, but specific to edge, if you look at our OEM business, for example, there's a lot of edge solutions and deployments that have been conducted through that business. Our partners participate in our OEM capabilities and resale capabilities today that I think is only gonna continue. And if you look at almost as a 'em from all the way to custom design and embedded solutions that we can do up to, and including just working with ISVs, where we can help build purpose built technology around their software or the telcos as we've discussed, that's a great example of where we're gonna build purpose built hardware that actually has commercial applications that we've opened up more locally. So I think this edge >>And, and the deliveries there, >>Absolutely. And it's inherently use case centric. So when you start talking edge year by default, kind of into an industry, vertical conversation, and the unique opportunity for the win-win in partnership is really leveraging what we do well, which is horizontal consistency scale with their vertical industry, intimate expertise, it a nominal opportunity in a win-win. So >>You'll bring engineering resources to, for example, a retail, uh, opportunity that is a large enough Tam that you can go after and multiple partners can add value along the way. Absolutely. >>And because of our strength, our scale, our market share our presence. We're an attractive partner for a lot of ISVs to partner with. So when you think of the ecosystem partners, wanna partner with people that have strong partnerships. So when we have more snowflake like partnerships and we build out capabilities where we're putting services in AWS and the hyperscalers, and we have traditional relationships with Alliance partners and resellers it's compelling, and ultimately partners and customers are all trying to simplify the number of vendors they're working with. You can come and work with Dell across a large continuum of both portfolio and services. >>I think about three years ago, when we were in person with Dell tech world 2019, it was the same message core, um, cloud core edge. Yeah. And now with edge is everything in was part of that. So interesting. In fact, Chuck whi on his keynote said, um, multi-cloud by default multi-cloud by design. Absolutely. You might want to add in your commentary edge by default converting to edge by design >>Edge by design. I think, you know, Michael used to, to a statistic that I think it's, it's selling out of the data center. Right. You know, know we've seen this trend on having to sell to the line of business as opposed to the it department that inherently pulls you to the edge. And I think Michael said, even with the hyperscalers, there's 600 data centers in the world for all of 'em there's 6 million cell towers. And each of those are an opportunity to have these micro little mini edge deployment. >>I'm smiling because Dave and I have been saying for years, the edge data center is the edge. And now we have edges being data centers. Now you have data centers aren't going away. They're actually expanding, multiplying. Exactly, >>Exactly. <laugh> >>What is what's on your mind these days? What's what are you into, what are you watching and trends what's, uh, what's in the network that you like in terms of partners, what are some of the things you wanna share with the folks out there that you think's important to watch? >>I, I think the fascinating thing I see is this notion of multiple partners engaging and how do we get that simplified? How, you know, what's our role? How do we help enable that? How do we help orchestrate it? Because the market's moving so fast and the need, frankly, for time to revenue, time to competitive advantage, customers need us all to kind of work better together on their behalf to help solve those SIM. So I'm fascinated with this idea of what used to be a competitive or a Cooper competi is now a partner. And we're all actually kind of looking at things with a little longer term vision and should with the customer's outcome in mind. And frankly, that is just unlocking so much opportunity for multiple partners. So it's less about the traditional landscape of is it can competitive or complimentary. There's so much opportunity for everybody now. It's like, how do we just lean on each other and play to our own strengths to be able to satisfy the opportunity quickly? >>It's like a partner operating system absolutely. Coming together. Yeah. How about business performance? How's the scorecard look for you guys on the business side doing well. >>Oh, you know, we just, we couldn't be more delighted and humbled who would've the coming out of the last couple years, you know, Dell would've had record performance. So when our earnings and we closed our fiscal year, we're using adjectives like historic epic record breaking <laugh> and the partner performance inside those results is just phenomenal. It's growing faster than the overall business. And I think continue. So I see incredible consistency globally consistency across our whole partner ecosystem, whether that's traditional channel OEM alliances. And I'm frankly just see that continuing a hundred billion. I think the market's coming to them hundred >>Billion growing at 17%. You can't do that without partners in an ecosystem. Absolutely. >>And the partner of business for us right now is 59 billion. It's pushing 60% of Dell's revenue. >>It's only gonna get better, I think, faster. >>So I think that's gonna continue. >>Well, sure. Always great to chat with. You're awesome. Glad data insights. Thanks for sharing the update and the partner and more. Yeah. We'll have you on our digital program this year. We'll get you back on. Absolutely. >>Well, thanks for being here and it's fabulous to be back in person. Great >>To see you. Oh, great. To have you share cook SVP of global partnerships and channels at Dell technologies. Q we right back with more coverage after this short break.

>>The cube presents, Dell technologies world brought to you by Dell. >>Welcome back to Las Vegas. We're here in the Venetian convention center. My name is Dave Alan. I'm here with my co-host John fur. You're watching the Cube's live coverage of Dell tech world 2022. Great crowd. I would say 7,000, maybe even 8,000 people. When you add in all the peripheral attendees, Jeff Clark is here. He's the vice chairman and co-chief operating officer of Dell technologies. Great to see you face to face, man. >>Hey guys. Good to see you again. Awesome. >>So really enjoyed your keynote this morning. You were pumped up, uh, I thought the, the presentations and the demos were crisp. So congratulations. Thank you. How you feeling? >>Doing a great job? How am I feeling? Uh, well, one relieved. If you know me well enough, I'm an engineer by heart. So trade the anxiety to do that is, uh, and build up is quite draining, but having it done, I feel pretty good now, but I feel good about what we discussed. Uh, it was a fun day to be able to talk to real customers and partners face to face like we're doing here and showcasing what we've been doing. I must admit that was a little bit of fun. Yeah. >>Well, we're chilling on the cube. Uh, we're laid back as you know. Um, what was your favorite moment? Cause you got a lot of highlights. The snowflake deal. We love been talking about it all, all show. Um, the, the, I IP of Dell with software define was pretty cool. Lot of great stuff. What's what >>Some cool laptop stuff too. That was interesting. You know, I don't have to. Where's the, where's the share button. >>We have a discord server now and all 18,000 people want to know. >>You're asking me to pick a monks, my should, which I like the most. >>How big is your monitor on your desk? >>Uh, I have a 49 on one side and a 42 on the other side. That's what both you guys need >><laugh> productivity, da >><laugh> well, in the world of zoom, it was incre incredibly productive to have that surface area in front of you. So, which of my announcements was my favorite, I think from a raw technology point of view, showcasing Dell, thinking about what we've done in a very differentiated way. It's hard not to say the power flex >>Engagement. Oh, look at that. Look, I wrote just, just wrote down power flex. Yep. Right. >><laugh> okay. Think about it. Softer defined. We, the leader and softer defined, uh, infrastructure that can be, think of it as independently, independent ability to scale compute from storage so we can linear scale and those no bounds, unlimited IO performance. The ability to put file block support, hyper hypervisors and bare metal all on a single platform. And then we made a, a bunch of other improvements around it. It's truly an area where we a leader we're differentiated in our core IP matters >>And that's Dell IP, Dell technology top >>The bottom. >>Okay, cool. >>So from a pure technical point of view, it's probably my favorite. What's not liked about PowerMax, the most mission critical, the most secure high end storage system in the world. And we made it better. We made it more secure. We put an isolated vault in it. We added some, uh, multifactor authentication. We improved the architecture for twice the performance, 50% better response time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes, pretty cool. <laugh> and then you gotta put a notebook in front of everybody where you think about in this modern workplace. And what we've learned is hybrid users. What software that we've embedded into that latitude 93 30 was pretty interesting. I thought. And then if I pull day one into the conversation, sort of the direction of where we're going of, multi-cloud the role of multi-cloud and our ability to be sort at the center of our customers multi-cloud world. I loved how Chuck described moving from multi-cloud by default to multi cloud, by design, and then the subsequent architecture that we put behind it. And then probably cherry on the old cake was the snowflake announcement that got a lot of people excited about bringing a really differentiated view of cloud based analytics down on our object storage. I know that was more than one, but I can't help. >>I like the cherry on top >>You've um, said a number of times, I think the 85% of your engineers are software engineers. You talked about, is that the right number, roughly? Yes, sir. And, and so, uh, you talked also about 500 new features today and, and every time you're talking about those features, I inferred anyway, it was part of the OS. A lot of it anyway, a lot of software does hardware still matter? And if so, why? >>Of course hardware still >>Matter. Explain why. >>Well, last time I checked doesn't the software stuff work on the hardware. Exactly. Doesn't the software things make hardware calls to exploit the capability we built into the software. Of course it does says it absolutely does matter, but I think what we're trying to describe or to get across today is we're moving up the stack, we're adding more value. Basically our customers are dragging us into a broader set of problems and software is increasingly the answer to that running on the best hardware, the best infrastructure, being able to build the right software abstraction to hook into either data frameworks, like a snowflake, being able to present our storage assets of software in the pub book cloud, ultimately the ability to pull them and think of it as a pool of storage for developers to make developers lives easier. Yeah. That's where we're going >>And, and is accurate in your view, you're going up to stack more software content and there's value. That's also flowing into Silicon, whether it's accelerators or Nicks and things like that, is that a right way to think about what's happening in hardware and software. We, >>You and I have had a number of conversations, David, the evolution of the architecture, where we're going from a general purpose CPU based thing to now specialty processors, whether that be a smart Nick purpose, built accelerators. If we leaped all the way out to quantum, really purpose built accelerators for a specific algorithm, there's certainly specialization going on. And as that happens, more software and software defined is necessary to knit together. And we have to be the person that does that. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. >>Talk about how the software defined piece makes the innovation happen on the hardware. Is it, is it the relationship that it's decoupled or you guys are just building design Silicon to make the software better? Cuz that interplay is a design, uh, is designed in, right? >>Uh, I, I think it's a little bit of both clearly being able to exploit the underlying hardware features and capabilities in your software in a differentiated way is important. Something we've excelled at for many, many years, but then the ability to abstract. If you think about some of the things that we talk about as a data fabric or a data plane and a data plane working across different architectures, that's an abstracted piece of software that ultimately leads to a very different and that's where we're driving towards >>What's different now. And what's similar now from the past, I was just on a, a panel. I talking about space, Cal poly and California space symposium and this hardware and space and it's, software's driving everything you can't do break, fix and space. It's talk about the edge. You can't talk about. You can't do break hard to do break, fix and space. So you gotta rely on software in the supply chain. Big part of the design as software becomes more prevalent with open source and et cetera, that innovation equation is designed in. What's your, what's your thoughts on that? >>Help me understand John, what more of this specific of what you're looking for, where do you want to dive into >>The, as Silicon becomes more of a more efficient, what does that do for the software in things like edge, for instance, as the boxes move out and the, the devices move to the home, they gotta be faster, more intelligent, more secure. Uh, Michael says it's a, it's a compute tower now 5g for instance. >>Yeah. Uh, maybe another way to look at it. We've been in the industry a little while for the longest time hardware capabilities were always ahead of software. We built great hardware. We let software catch up. What's changed certainly in this time. And as we look going forward is the software capabilities are now ahead of those very hardware capabilities in bringing it. And to me, that's a, it's a very fundamental change. Certainly in my 35 years of doing this, that's very different. And if you believe that continues, which I do, particularly as we face increasingly more difficult challenges to continue with Moore's law, how do we continue to build out the transistor density? We've all benefited from for four, five decades now, softer innovation is going to lead, which is what we tried to hint at today. And I think that's the future. That's where you're gonna see us continue to drive and think about how we talk about, uh, technology today. I know Dave and I had this conversation not too long ago, whether it's infrastructure is code, who would've thought of that idea a decade ago. <laugh> uh, if we think about, uh, data as code we were talking about before we got on air, what data on code data's little bits, one's in zero stored in Silicon, you store >>It, <laugh> you move it >>Around now. So it, it opens the door or the door to, I think innovation done differently and perhaps even done it more scale as if we abstract it correctly. >>Yeah. And might led a good point on when he was on about all the good benefits that come from that in the customer and in society. And I guess the next question with the customer side, it take your, if the, if the flip, if the script is flipping, which I believe that it is, I agree with you. How does the customers deal with the innovation strategy? Because now they wanna take advantage of the new innovation, but what problems and opportunities are they facing? That's different now than say a decade ago, if you're in it or you're trying to create a great group within your CISO organization. I mean, there are problems now that we didn't see before. What do you, how do you see that? >>Well, I, I, I think the, the biggest change would be again, if you look and reflect on our careers, it was sort of in the business, it played a role. It was often put off to the corner, just make the place sort of work. And today, and I think the pandemic has the pandemic and global health crisis accelerated this technology is now part of people's business and you can't compete without technology. And in fact, we saw it during the early days of the pandemic, those CU customers that were further along on their digital transformation, generally weathered the storm in their sector better than those who were behind. >>Yeah, >>Absolutely. What does that tell us technology was an enabler. Technology helped them, whether the storm prepared them, made them more competitive. So now I think I don't meet many CIO and CEOs who don't have the conversation about their business model and technology being symbiotic, that they're integrated, that they can't do one without the other. That's a very different mindset than when we grew up in this industry where this stuff was. So now you take that as a basis. We got data everywhere. Most of the data's gonna come out of the data, not in the data center's gonna be created outside of the data center. The attack surface has grown disproportionately >>People, people sharing data, too, their data with other data, very much so generating >>Data in places. Sometimes they don't know where it is and hope to get it back. So the role to be able to protect that estate, if you will, to be able to protect the information, which increasingly data is companies fuel, but makes 'em go, how do you protect it? How do you ultimately analyze it? How do you provide them the insights to ultimately run and drive their business? That's the opportunity. >>So we are in the same wavelength with Powerflex and, and I'm a little concerned about confirmation bias, but, but I, I wanna say this, I really like the way your Dell's language and yours specifically has evolved. You talk about abstraction layers, hiding that underlying complexity, building value on top of the hyperscalers on prem connecting sore, we call it super cloud. You guys call it multi-cloud. We saw two examples of that today, project Alpine and the snowflake is early examples. Uh, I'm trying to gauge how real this is. We think it's real. Uh, we talked to customers who clearly say, this is what they want. Um, I wonder if you could add a little detail to that, some color on your thoughts on, on how real this is, how it will evolve over time. >>Well, from our, from our seat and the way that I, that, that I see it in driving our underlying product development, roadmaps, people want to drag into conversation about public and private and this, and what have you. And, and that's not how customers work today. Uh, customers really have got to this point where they want to use the best capabilities regardless of where they lie. And if that's keeping mission critical data on premise taking advantage of analytic tools in the cloud, doing some test dev in the public cloud, moving out to edge, they want to be able to do that reasonably quickly and not. We were talking about this before we got on the air in an easy fashion. It can't be complex. Yeah. So how do you actually knit this together in a way that is not complex and enables customers? That's what I think customers want. So you think about our multi-cloud vision. It's about building an ecosystem across all of the public clouds, which we've made announcement and announcement to do that. Well, >>You said earlier default versus by design, which referencing to the multi-cloud. But I think the design is the key word here. The design is a system architecture you're talking about. You said also technology and business models are tied together and enable or that's. If you believe that, then you have to believe that it's a business operating system that they want, they wanna leverage whatever they can. And at the end of the day, they have to differentiate what they do >>Well, that that's exactly right. If I take that in what, what Dave was saying. And, and, and I summarize it the following way. If we can take these cloud assets in Cape capabilities, combine them in an orchestrated way to delivery, distributed platform, game over, >>Tell us we gotta wrap, which bummed me out because I, we had so much, we haven't covered. We haven't talked about 5g. We really haven't hit on apex. Uh, what else is exciting? You something, you know, let's let's in the last minute or so, let's do a wrap. >>We just, >>I know we just got started. We had >>A schedule, >>Two guys, the boss, this >>Is great. We wanna go the next, >>Not when it comes to the schedule, just laid >>Out the, just laid out the checkmate move right there. You know, um, >>Look, what I get excited about, uh, >>Edge to me is a domain that we're gonna see in this part of our careers have the same level of innovation and discovery that we just saw in the early part of our careers and probably times 10 or times a hundred. And I, and I think about the world we live in and matching up what's happening in this digitization of our world and everything, having a sensor in it, collecting data everywhere on everything, and then being able to synthesize it in a way that we can derive reasonable insight from to be able to make real time decisions from whether that be in healthcare, a smart city, a factory of the transportation area, our own website of how the traffic comes in and how we present our offers more effectively to what you want, which are different than what Dave wants. The possibilities are unlimited and, or on the half of the first ending, if you like baseball, analogies, absolutely. And a long way to go and a tremendous amount of innovation that'll happen here. I get excited about that place. Now. It's not gonna happen overnight every once say, oh, we're smoking edge. Wasn't at IOT, stop putting a timeframe on it. Yeah. Know, the foundation is built to be able to develop, evolve and innovate from here. Like I've never seen. >>And the playbook to get back to your game overcome is whoever can simplify the comp and reduce the complexity and make things simpler and easier. That's, I mean, that's kind of the formula for success basically. I mean, it sounds kind of easy, right? Like >>Spot on, >>Just do it, but what, but that's hard. >>Remember it's hard and being able to build data centers and, and millions of places. So for example, what we'll leave in a little 5g, you think about all of the public cloud data centers today. I think there's roughly 600 locations. You've got 7 million cell towers. Yeah. 7 million cell towers gonna >>Be like how reach right there. >>Data center at the edge of the network. Yeah. As we just aggregate the telecom infrastructure. Sure. From a monolithic big black box into a disaggregated standards based architecture with virtualization and containerization in it. >>I mean, outta compute, I love the whole Metro operating model there, like having that data center at that edge, all that wire wireless coming in. >>I >>Agree. Pretty impressive. Powering the Teslas and all the cars out there sending telematics to, uh, people's phones. And >>Let's wait to next wearables >>Here >>To, I was gonna say next Dell technology world choose to have some fun. <laugh> >>Jeff Clark. Thanks so much for coming to the cube. You're awesome guest and, uh, congratulations on all the success and really appreciate your time. Yeah. Thanks for >>Having me. Thanks for kind words. >>All right. Thank you for watching. This is Dave for John furrier, Dell tech world 2022 live. We'll be right back. You're watching the cube. >>That was great. Mean you great riff.

>> Announcer: theCUBE presents Dell Technologies World brought to you by Dell. >> Welcome back to Dell Tech World 2022. You're watching theCUBE. My name is Dave Vellante, I'm here with my co-host John Furrier, live event, I would say seven to eight thousand people, really exceeded our expectations. And we're here with Chuck Whitten, who is the co chief operating officer and chief dot connector, I sometimes call him, at Dell Technologies. Chuck, welcome to theCUBE. >> I am thrilled to be here. How great is it to be, you know, back in Las Vegas, seven to eight thousand people here, talking innovation. It's great. >> Yeah, it's like Jeff said this morning, I'm not really thrilled to be in Vegas maybe, but I'm happy to be back live, so yeah. >> It's great to be here. >> Awesome. Okay, the operative phrase is multicloud by default, that's kind of the buzz from your keynote. What do you mean by that? >> Well, look, customers have woken up with multiple clouds you know, multiple public clouds, on-premises clouds, increasingly as the edge becomes much more a reality for a customer, clouds at the edge. And so that's what we mean by multicloud by default. It's not yet been designed strategically. I think our argument yesterday was it can be and it should be, it is a very logical place for architecture to land because ultimately customers want the innovation across all of the hyper scale public clouds. They will see workloads and use cases where they want to maintain an on-premises cloud. On-premises clouds are not going away, I mentioned edge cloud, so it should be strategic. It's just not today. It doesn't work particularly well today, so when we say multicloud by default, we mean that's the state of the world today. Our goal is to bring multicloud by design, as you heard. >> Yeah. I mean, I totally agree with you a hundred percent. We all know multicloud exists. It's by default, it's not going away. It's only going to get more complicated. What are you guys seeing in terms of the customer needs as this becomes more of the strategy plus operations, I want to operationalize multicloud as an abstraction layer, how do you guys see the customer requirements? What problems are they trying to solve? >> Well, look, multicloud by default today are isolated clouds. They don't work together. Your data is siloed. It's locked up and it is expensive to move and make sense of it. So, you know, I think the word you and I were batting around before, this is an interconnected tissue. That's what the world needs. They need the clouds to work together as a single platform. That's the problem that we're trying to solve. And you saw it in some of our announcements here that we are starting to make steps on that journey to make multicloud work together much simpler. >> It's interesting. You mentioned the hyperscalers and all that CapEx investments. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of a cloud and build on the CapEx and then ultimately have the solutions, machine learning is one area, you see some specialization with the clouds, but you start to see the rise of super clouds, Dave calls them, and that's where you can innovate on a cloud. Then go to the multiple clouds, Snowflake's one, we see a lot of examples of super clouds. >> Project Alpine was another one. I mean, it's early, but it's clearly where you're going. The technology is just starting to come around. I mean, it's real. >> Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't you want to take advantage of all of the cloud innovation out there? Well, the answer would be, I don't want to do that if I'm going to feel locked up, if it's going to be too expensive. So again, I think Project Alpine's a perfect example of a step on that journey. If you can create a common storage pool, a fabric if you will, that allows you to choose how, where you're going to process your data and store it. And more importantly, give your teams the same M and O tools, the same skillsets, the ability to operate on-premises or in the public clouds. You know, I think ultimately the theme of the last couple days in multicloud for us has been customer choice. We want to give them the choice to operate, how they want to, so they can take advantage of all those cloud services. >> Real quick. Where does that innovation go from that Alpine Project? Because that's software defined, and I believe that's all your IP to all Dell technologies IP. >> It is, yeah. >> So that factors in, so is that going to make the hardware more innovative? Is it going to be more application specific? Where do you see that going? >> Well, look, our, you know, putting our file block and object storage into the public clouds just gives them choice on taking advantage of enterprise class storage software. You know, you saw in our announcements today, we're not stopping the innovation in our core arrays and hardware. And in fact, the theme today was software innovation. I think we announced five hundred different software updates across power flex, power max and power store. So look, we're going to continue to innovate across the storage portfolio. Now we're giving customers the choice. Hey, you want it in the public cloud? That's what Project Alpine will let you do. >> Michael had a smile on a, I won't say a spring in his step, because he was sitting in that chair, but he was smiling about the market share numbers on that, so pretty impressive. You guys got a good commanding lean there. The super cloud thing, back to that concept, Snowflake is we consider super cloud. They took their IP, put it on a hyperscaler, differentiated themselves, have great value and scale and they're running away with it. It looks like at this point, I mean, you've got data breaks, and you've got Redshift in there and other stuff, but as a concept that's working, and now they're on multiple clouds. How do you see that super cloud connecting with Snowflake, because you guys are building a little Snowflake connected. It's one of the big announcements here is Snowflake and Dell. >> Yeah. >> So can you talk about that? >> It was probably the one that got the most excitement from customers in the last day. And so look, you said it well, Snowflake, you know, one of the most exciting companies in the data space right now, and a vision from that company to say, hey, let's make the consumption of data as simple as cloud operating models have made the consumption of infrastructure. Well we share that vision and love that vision but we're each coming at it from different parts of the stack, right? So we're coming at it from storage up to data, they're coming data management down to data. It's a perfect match of our capabilities. So that, the announcements we made in our partnership, we're going to start with two use cases that our customers have been asking for. You know, the first is the ability to buy directionally copy data from our storage to Snowflake's data cloud. That's exciting, but the more exciting one that created the buzz is, if you don't want to move your data to the public cloud, Snowflake only operates in the public cloud today, we're now giving the opportunity to access their data services on-premises. And that's the excitement from customers that have said, hey, look, I want to take advantage of Snowflake's capabilities, but for regulatory or security reasons, I'm not doing that today. This is a groundbreaker. >> Well, it's the interesting thing, because, you know, as many people know, Snowflake requires you to put their data in their cloud, in Snowflake format, this is the first example of non-native data being accessed into the Snowflake cloud. >> Exactly right, exactly right. So, you know, again for customers that say, I just can't do it, I cannot move my data, now they have the option. It's the first time Snowflake has collaborated with an on-premises infrastructure player. >> How'd that deal come about? >> Well, it started as all great deals in our business do, Michael, to the top. So it was a, you know, and then it's been our teams working together closely, always, you know alongside our customers, because that customer feedback of I want to take advantage of Snowflake's capabilities, you know, it's been, we've been incubating it for a few months now and it was great to bring it out on stage yesterday. >> I mean, it makes a lot of sense. You connected dots so to speak. When you look at what Michael was saying, these compute hubs, towers for 5G to >> Yep. >> Small edges and big edges and data centers all coming together, really key value parts of how data's going to be moving around, it's not just storage, it's data as code. It's a big part of >> Incredible, yeah. I mean, look, this is, that was the, the start of the theme yesterday. Look, the great unsolved problems in infrastructure right now is data is everywhere. It's sprawling. It is less secure than we would like. Help, and help me make sense of multicloud. >> I'd love to get your reaction real quick while I got you up here, because data science is a well known practice. >> Yeah. >> There's been the rise of a hot persona, that seems to be, you know, growing in numbers, but it's a scarce skill that's data engineering. Because the data's not just doing visualizations, there's a lot of architectural work being done to solve that strategy problem. What's your reaction to this new data engineering at the scale that we're talking about? >> Yeah, I mean, it's a space I'm just learning about to be honest with you, data engineering, but look, part of what we observe is, it takes a lot of calories from organizations to get data in a place where you can make sense of it and make decisions. And whether that's data scientists spending too much time cleaning or the advent, as you said, of data engineering to create the architectures, to help make that decision. Look, there's a lot of work that goes into that. It would be great over time to automate that. I think that's also the next great stuff on the journey. >> You know, Chuck, when I did the intro, I really didn't set it up that well, because you know people, oh, hey, here's the new guy, but you have a lot of experience with Dell. You've been a consultant to the company for a long, long time. Tell us a little bit about that. I'm interested in what you see as your greatest strengths that you bring to Dell. >> Yeah, well, as you said, look, I am the new guy-ish, I think it's been eight months. I don't know how long I can continue to use that as the excuse, but I had worked with Dell for over a decade as a consultant previously at Bain Company. So, you know, look, my background is as a strategist and I did lots of work in sort of M and A and private acuity, and so that's my background, I'm your sort of classic MBA, whose spent a decade in technology and a decade alongside Jeff Clark and Michael in the transformation of the company. So I hope I bring the right sort of outsider's but insider's perspective to, you know, to the party, if you will. But you know, I've certainly learned a lot in the last eight months, as you get alongside and inside the machine at Dell. >> So irrespective of the financial magic. >> I think I know what question he's going to ask. >> Irrespective of the financial magic that Dell did with the VMware skin, as a consultant, one could have gone through a mental exercise of saying, hey, what about, you know, spinning it in, because you got this great software asset. Everybody wants software marginal economics. Okay, the decision was made and now we're onto the future. That obviously has an impact on margins and gross margins and everything else. So, I guess as a consultant, you turn that into opportunity. >> Yeah. >> Right. So where is that opportunity? How do you feel about, how do you think about, that really hardware, heavy hardware exposure, and where you want to go in the future? >> Well, look, I think we, that's what we've been been talking about the last couple of days. So, you know, the VMware spinoff was a moment in which the world looked at us and I think asked the question, you did, you know, what are you, right? Are you a legacy hardware company or where you're going? But the reality of the world is, it's a multicloud world, so we are, it was a signal also to the world that we're not a VMware stack competing against other cloud stacks. We are first and best with VMware. They are still our most strategic partner, but we work with all the hyperscalers and it's a big world that is becoming multicloud. So strategically speaking as that becomes the reality of infrastructure and importantly as data explodes at the edge, you know, we're perfectly positioned as a company. That's the strategy, we like to say these trends are coming our way. It's never been a better time, honestly, to be the leader in infrastructure, and the leader in client devices, all the way to sort of the core data center in the cloud. >> How do you think about, you have quite an observation space, as you know, a long time, you know, Bain consultant. How do you think about the skillsets required to make that transition? >> Yeah, absolutely. Well look, we think a lot about it, right? Because certainly we have a lot of the native skills we need to win in the data era as the leader in storage and the leader in infrastructure, you know, we secure more mission critical workloads than anybody. We know a lot about data, but what we're talking about now is not just persisting data. It's about protecting data. It's about moving data, right? And those are different skill sets that we're sort of acquiring and always looking at our teams to think about and look, you know, we can do a lot of that organically. We are also always, you know, contemplating the right strategic M and A at the right time to sort of add to that talent and technology. >> You got the balance sheet for it now, so. >> We do indeed. We do indeed. >> We get the M and A question in there, but my question to you is, as you look at these systems, because we've always said in theCUBE, many times, distributed computing is back. >> Yeah. >> It never went away. Cloud is just a version of that with on-premises and edge. It's an operating system. It's got all the IO, it's got the control plane, it's the internet, right? And so as you look at that, there's a system and with the scale of cloud, ecosystems are emerging and they're super important because if you're plugging and playing solutions, you've got glue layers, you've got automations coming, AI machine learning, the partners aren't just totally dependent on each other, the interdependencies go away. So, as you see partners that could be LEGO blocks, and be composed into these large scale solutions that you guys are rolling out, what is the role of the ecosystem? What does the future ecosystem look like? How do you tell if it's healthy, and take us through that new formula, because we see it changing. >> Well, look, I, you know, we've been very explicit in our strategy, that partnerships have to be a part of our strategy. We can't solve all of the problems of the data in multicloud world alone. And when you see announcements like Snowflake, or you see us announce, continued collaborations with each of the hyperscalers, or even how we continue to invest in and double down on our VMware relationship, it's an acknowledgement that, to solve the problems that our customers are telling us, this super cloud you're describing, this integrated multicloud journey, you know, we're going to solve a lot of it ourselves, but a lot of it we're going to have to partner with. It's just got to be part and parcel of any good strategy. Luckily we're a natural ecosystem partner. As I said, we are not another cloud stack looking to build a walled garden, right. We know our spot in this game and it is to make multicloud simpler across the infrastructure layer. >> Somebody asked me, is Snowflake a part of Dell's ecosystem, or is Dell part of Snowflake's ecosystem? I said, yes. Right, because that's a perfect example. >> I think that's exactly right. These only work, and we've learned this with VMware, when it's mutually beneficial to both sides. So you look at the use cases we're talking about with Snowflake, right? Bio directionally copy data from our storage to their data cloud. That's beneficial to Snowflake and our customers. And of course bringing data cloud on-premises is beneficial to us, so look, there's more win-wins when you stare at these partnerships, than there are zero. >> I think that's a key point from even a decade ago, the platform wars were well identified, viewer platform. They competed against each other. You got now platforms with platforms because of the synergies of the integration. This is new, this is a new dynamic. >> It's the great world of tech, it's cooperation and it's, you know, there's certainly places where we compete sometimes, but other places that we, you know, we cooperate. And so, yeah, we're excited about our position in this multicloud ecosystem. We think we positioned the company perfectly. >> How do you spend your time? >> As a COO? >> Just at Dell? I mean, you know, give us the sort of breakdown. >> Yeah, well look, I mean, I think that what makes it fun is no two days are alike, but, right? But together, Jeff Clark and I share a responsibility for setting strategy with Michael and then aligning the leadership team on our strategic priorities. And you know, in the world we live in, there's days you wake up and today is supply chain day, because something has happened in the world, but you know, often it's with customers or investors, so it's a true COO general manager job. And I would tell you, no two days are the same. >> Strategy, solving problems, keeping things moving. >> Leading the team, setting a vision, and listening to customers. I mean, at the end of the day, we talk a lot about our durable, competitive advantages as a company. I think our single greatest competitive advantage is our go to market reach. And the fact that we touch more customers and partners than anyone in technology. And that gives us a inside track on what they're worried about, what they're thinking about and how we can help. >> It's interesting, you mentioned how earlier, how things come back around on cycles and we're seeing hardware matter more than everything, in fact, we're doing a editorial thing on why hardware matters. Look at the advances in Silicon. >> Yeah. >> And smaller footprint of powerful devices compute, about towers and edges. And so the role of hardware, I think they got the software defined software and the role of open source in all of this, it's almost a perfect storm to kind of reset this, none of the trajectory of growth, where hardware innovations working with the new software. >> For sure, for sure. >> Can you react to that? >> No, I think it's spot on. I think the future of architectural innovation is really exciting, when you look at what CPUs and GPUS and DPUS, and all it's able to do in the future of infrastructure and eventually the ability to compose your infrastructure to the workload versus, you know, have it be rigid and silent. I mean, there's as much innovation inside the infrastructure as there is in the ecosystem. And, you know, that's exciting for our customers, right? It's going to make them more efficient. It's going to make them able to make decisions with data better than they are today. It's great to be in our space for sure. >> It's great to have you on. Now, you're a CUBE alumni. >> All right, well, I've watched from afar and admired, and it was really painless. So thank you. >> Thanks so much for coming on. >> Thanks for having me. >> Keep it right there, everybody, Dave Vellante and John Furrier will be back right after this short break, you're watching theCUBE at Dell Tech World 2022. (upbeat music)

>>The cube presents, Dell technologies world brought to you by Dell. >>Good morning. Welcome to day two of the cube at Dell technologies world live from the Venetian in Las Vegas. Lisa Martin, with John farrier, Dave Nicholson guys, a lot of momentum yesterday. The vibe was amazing. We're think there's about 8,000 people here and spends yesterday a lot going on with multi-cloud with partners, with customers, John, we got Michael Dell coming on in just about 15, 20 minutes. >>Yep. The keynotes getting out, people are starting to come in. You can see them, uh, flowing through the hallway. Michael Dell will be on about 15 minutes and we're gonna ask him every year when they have the cube here, we're gonna have room with questions around digital transformation. Security is the hot thing. Obviously here, data and what's up with Dell. So we'll see what, what he is gonna say. >>We had some really good interviews yesterday. We, we had customers on, we had partners and the, the overall sentiment was people are very excited about, I mean, the momentum that Dell is coming off of from F Y 22 of first time hitting north of a, of a hundred billion or in the company's history, the partner ecosystem expanding what their acknowledgement multi-cloud is here. Yeah. The, the vibe was good. The, the partners are excited. Lot of opportunity. Yeah. >>I mean, I think the big thing story here this year is that, you know, VMware's not part of Dell technologies world, although there is some stuff kind of connecting together in terms of ownership, but it's still now on its own. So that's, that's a key, um, development that's happened since we were last here in person, but the digital transformation train continues to go down the tracks and it's getting better and better and better. And for, in terms of what is happening, but there's still more complexity at the edge. That's something that's important and security more than ever is important on a global stage. But also the cyber attacks are going up. Ransomware is, has essentially I'm so standard. Everyone needs a, a solution. So everyone's pivoting to endpoint protection, zero, zero trust. And, um, ransomware has been, you see the storage vendors go that way. So that's a big trend. Uh, a lot of people go in there and they need it too. Cuz ransomware is very dangerous. So, and then obviously cyber all over the world is, is a huge, so, you know, Dell plays a role in that. They have a lot of gear and, and I think the edge is developing nicely. >>Yeah. You talk about ransomware. I was reading some stats recently that there's one attack, every 11 seconds that organizations now it's not a matter of, are we gonna get hit it's when yeah. And I think I wrote a stat the other day that said 75% of organizations will be hit by at least one cyber attack by 2025, which is around the corner. So security is that board level, front and center conversation. Yeah. And we saw a lot of that with what they were announcing just yesterday alone. >>Yeah. And to me, the cybersecurity issue is just also a political one. Uh, the adversaries can play with open source and the threats are real. The threat vectors are increasing and there's no perimeter as everyone knows that in security and you start to see data being protected. So now you've got data protection is that's big for Dell. You know, they have a huge footprint of disaster recovery and data protection. And so that becomes a really key point for protecting the data in flight, uh, data. Engineering's a hot trend. So data as code has become huge. You're seeing that in, in all the digital applications, the role of data is becoming more and more. >>Absolutely. We talked a lot Dave about edge yesterday and especially, particularly in retail and a lot of the massive transformation and the pressure that retail is under, you know, us consumers, we bring this, we want the online experience in the connected store. And so they talked a lot about what they're doing with respect to edge at the retail yesterday and in financial services. Really interesting. What are some of your thoughts on the direction that Dell's going? >>So I've been, I've been taking a little bit of a different angle on this since I've been here prowling around looking under the covers to get an understanding of the advances in hardware that are driving the top line value per opposition. So here it's appropriate to talk about things like retail at the edge and the experience that that delivers to an end user customer Dell is still doing, however, the really hard work of optimizing systems on the back end, the stuff that a lot of people would say they don't care about. The idea is Dell makes sure that this development that happens so people at the edge don't have to care about it. So, so that's the thing that I find fascinating being a kind of an old school hardware guy myself, is that all these really cool things aren't getting talked about because we don't need to talk about them because Dell has it handled. So whether it's whether it's retail, uh, whether it's, uh, uh, advances insecurity, uh, they're all driven by highly optimized and tuned hardware. You mentioned partners, um, partnerships that Dell has behind the scenes are critical to all of that. >>I mean, I think the big thing about Dell too, is they have a co here. Um, they have Chuck Whitten, a co chief operating officer, uh, Jeff Clark, uh, Chuck Whitten's new, uh, came from BAE and you got two do Cocos. Right? Right. So you got a fledging company Dell's growing. And, and the big question is M and a right. Dave and I were talking about that last night with a bunch of folks in the, in the hallway about who does Dell buy? Do they need to buy anyone? Right? And again, uh, hardware is back. I mean, you look at what we talked about yesterday. And our wrap up day one was essentially, hardware's becoming more important. And even at Amazon reinvent, when we recovering that show role of Silicon plays a huge role. Now they run hardware in the cloud. So, um, we all know hardware, just servers, somewhere in the cloud there. So I think hardware is gonna be huge David, because, you know, edge needs more smaller, faster, cheaper Bob access to colo, uh, Equinox was on yesterday. Um, you're seeing like 5g edges deploying. So I think hardware is gonna matter. I think you'll see the home become much more device centric, smarter devices. So smart city, smart homes, hardware matters more than ever. >>Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and from an acquisition perspective who, who knows maybe Dell would acquire VMware <laugh> crazier things have happened >>Or VMware could acquire Dell >>Or yeah. Crazier things have happened. >>They would argue that one. <laugh> >>So, so the hardware hardware's back back again. It makes me think of that M and M song slim, shady. You think we need to do some sort of parody on that <laugh> together, but what does that mean for, for the partner community? There are over 200,000 partners. We talk about Barun GSI data center, the hyperscalers, that partner. >>Yeah. I mean, I mean, the partner story is I think more important than ever. And you seeing more ecosystems develop around companies that you wouldn't think have ecosystems that's because with cloud and now the cloud operating model, which is on-premise and edge, you can do piece parts of solutions and, and the glue layers, the abstraction layers in software at scale are now available. So it's easier for customers to buy point solutions or platforms and put them together. Bet it more than every the headless retail, as an example, uh, a trend that's happening. You're seeing, look at, look at, uh, in the, in the, uh, consumer market, ghost kitchens, ghost retail. So you're starting to see delivery. And so at the consumerization of it is happening. You're gonna see more and more customs applications that are taking advantage of stacks that are configured either on the fly or, you know, most multiple partners. So I think you're gonna see, you know, the big players like AWS, uh, uh, Microsoft, Dell have real big ecosystem players and that's gonna be a huge trend continuing. >>So today Michael Dell is coming on in just minutes. Chuck Whitten is also on Jeff Clark. What are some of the things that you really want to dig into with these guys, John? Well, >>The big thing I want to ask him is how they're stress, energy, and operations fit into how their customers are consuming. Uh, Dell's got a huge customer base. I wanna find out how their, how their solutions are being operationalized by the customers. And that's gonna be coming, poking at the cloud a little bit and see how real that's going. Apex has been very popular. The security story. I also wanna ask about the changing workforce because the it departments of the old those folks are aging out. So a new generation of it is coming together. And I think those folks want things easy, push button, easy button dashboards. They've never, maybe not even racked the server before. So completely different new generation. When I see how that impacts the, uh, how they make products, >>Good point. We saw some of that in, you know, this morning they were showing some of the gaming, um, opportunities, Dave and I were in there this morning and what they're doing for that, and the gamers are all very excited about that. But the connected home was something that they were talking about. >>Yeah. Yeah. Who knew you could make a, uh, you know, a track pad on a laptop, more exciting. <laugh> it's, I mean, it's brilliant, right? They, you know, controls for, uh, you know, for, uh, home video conferencing built in, um, it, it just shows that again, kind of at that hardware level where people think, ah, it doesn't matter. No, there's a lot of room for innovation there. And back to the discussion of around partners, um, much like the big cloud players depend upon systems integrators out in the marketplace in order to deliver these solutions to end user kind customers. The channel's gonna be incredibly important. And I know that Dell is putting a lot of effort behind that right now. That's pretty clear. Yep. >>Yeah. We've seen lot of that. So exciting stuff today. I mentioned the three guys, three only of the many folks that are coming on the show today. We've got Allison Dew tomorrow, some other happy hitters guys looking forward to great day two full coverage. Stay with us. We've got a lot of content coming at you from the cube live from the show floor of Dell technologies, world 2022 from the Venetian in Las Vegas, stick around Michael Dell will be up next with John and Dave.

(bright music) >> Hi, this is Dave Volante, and we're getting ready to bring the Cube to Dell Tech World 2022. This is the first Dell Tech World that will be held in person since 2019. And, it's the first major Dell customer and industry gathering since Dell spun out VMware, as a completely separate company. Without Dell ownership, of course the chairman remains the same. Now, that Dell is untethered from VMware, it means its most lucrative asset is no longer going to show up on the income statement. Now, with the client business as an increasingly large share of revenue for Dell, over the past couple of years, thanks to the pandemic, Dell's gross margin line stands out more going from the low 30s to around 20%. Now, as part of the spin, Dell executed a special commercial agreement with VMware. Dell is VMware's number one distribution channel and sells tons of VMware software. So, that combined with the fact that Michael Dell is leading both companies was plenty of incentive for VMware to make disagreement. The special commercial agreement sets certain terms and conditions regarding how the two companies will work together to maximize technical integrations, co-marketing initiatives, and other go to market opportunities. This was done to ensure that the relationship between the two companies remains as strong as it was prior to the spin. It's interesting, a lot of people complained about the acquisition, that Dell and VMware shouldn't be together but customers, by all accounts, loved it. The other major change is Dell... For, with Dell post spin, is it now is a much stronger balance sheet. It has paid down a ton of debt to where it's now considered investment grade by the ratings bureaus. This means lower interest rates for Dell on its debt. And, it also means Dell has more flexibility to do dividends and stock buybacks and MNA. Dell, in our view, will begin to do some more of these tuck in acquisitions and beef up its software portfolio, As it still relies heavily on VMware software for much of its data center business, but we think it needs to diversify. It's increasingly going to look to expand into cloud offerings with its apex as a service. And, apex really is this as of surface offer, which is essentially Dell's version of their cloud and it spans on premises, the public cloud, and ultimately out to the edge. So, at Dell Tech World, expect the following areas to be emphasized client solutions. It's around half of the company's revenue. So, laptops and desktops and client side solutions have to be part of the discussion. It's a lower margin business than enterprise, but with COVID been growing quite rapidly as remote work has become the thing. The other thing we expect to hear, the other theme, is around ransomware, cyber resiliency, cyber threats are top of mind. Expect Dell to stress the importance of having sound security and data protection strategies in the post COVID era. You may see some specific offerings from Dell or perhaps even further emphasizing security in many of its products or both. Okay, we would also expect more storage innovation. Dell's legacy EMC storage business has been under pressure from the cloud and other competitors like Pure and some new entrants, nipping at Dell's heels. We would expect Dell to beef up its as a service offering both on prem within systems, AKA boxes, and as part of apex. Now, apex is going to be a big theme at the show. The as a service is going to absolutely be a big focus in our view. Dell has entered the market after HPE came in with GreenLake and Dell doesn't want to be overshadowed by HPE's all in as a service strategy. So, expect Dell to provide updates on its progress with apex, identify differentiation from some of the other players, AKA HP, and announce new services across its portfolio. You'll likely also hear some discussion about the ecosystem and partnerships with some global system integrators and also of some announcements about how they plan to appeal to the developer community. I think multi cloud is another theme that you're going to hear. Sometimes we call it super cloud. We would expect Dell to emphasize the importance of its ability to serve customers irrespective of physical location, right? Cloud is not a destination. It's an operating model kind of thing. On-prem, public cloud, across clouds, at the edge. Some of this is going to be vision, a lot of it of course will be vision, but some of it's going to be offerings. Might see some things in Telco and hear some 5g talk, as well as some Edge and Telco partnerships to attack that 5g opportunity and other opportunities at the edge. Dell's a large company. They, I think very conscious of responsibility. So, you're going to hear, I would say some, maybe not tons, but some fair dose of ESG, environmental, social, and governance. This will likely be a theme as companies like Dell, they got to demonstrate their commitment to diversity and inclusion, as well as the sustainability of the environment. They can move the needle. They may likely also get into privacy, things like that. Maybe tech for good, or maybe talk a little bit about AI for good, maybe even AI solutions, although let's, we'll see, we'll report if we hear that. You're going to also hear about digital transformation like any conference and how Dell is helping customers transform their businesses. What maybe what Dell's doing internally with its own technology organization and its own digital transformation. Dell's role is to provide technologies and services that can accelerate those digital transformations. So, you'll hear Dell position itself there we think. And, finally channel partnerships and ecosystems as Dell transforms to a cloud company, that's going to redefine cloud. It has to, in our view, increasingly emphasize its ecosystem partnerships which are a critical component of cloud companies. Now, I hope as a company building out its own cloud vision, and trying to reset the cloud narrative, that we hear some focused discussion around developers. I mentioned that before, and how infrastructure's code is a key aspect of Dell's vision and offerings. Now, the Cube will be there. We start Monday evening. It'll be late east coast time, but it'll be 6, 6:30 west coast time. We're going to feature myself, John Farrier, Lisa Martin, and David Nicholson as host. Monday is largely focused on partners. And, then we go all day, wall to wall, on Tuesday and Wednesday with our typical Cube coverage. Several key execs are going to be joining us including, of course, Michael Dell and Chuck Whitten, who's the new co-chief operating officer, along with Jeff Clark, who is also vice chairman. He's going to be joining us and several others from Dell's ELT, including Cheryl Cook, JD Davis, Alison Dew, and a number of Dell customers, partners, and several members from the product teams coming on to talk about the new announcements that they're making at the show. And, of course, you'll get the Cube's take on all the keynotes, the product announcements, and the vibe at the show and what's happening in the hallways and in the evening events. So, tune into the cube.net, check out siliconangle.com for all the news and coverage. And, we'll see you there. (bright music)

(upbeat music) >> We're back at AWS re:Invent 2021. It's the biggest hybrid event of the year. One of the few physical events and we're psyched to be here. My name is Dave Vellante, and I'm really pleased to bring back the host emeritus, Stu Miniman, somebody I worked with side-by-side, Stu, for 10 years in a setting much like this, many like this. So, good to have you back. >> Dave, it's great to be here with theCUBE team, family here and re:Invent, Dave. I mean, this show, I remember back, Dave, going to you after the first re:Invent we talked, we were like, "We got to be there." Dave, remember the first year we came, the second year of re:Invent, this is the 10th year now, little card tables, gaming companies, all this stuff. You had Jerry Chen on yesterday and Jerry was comparing like, this is going to be like the next Microsoft. And we bet heavy on this ecosystem. And yeah, we all think this cloud thing, it might be real. 20,000 people here, it's not the 50 or 75,000 that we had in like 2018, 2019, but this ecosystem, what's happening in the cloud, multiple versions of hybrid going on with the event and the services, but yeah, phenomenal stuff. And yeah, it's so nice to see people. >> That's for sure. It's something that we've talked about a lot over the years is, and you remember the early days of re:Invent and to this day, just very a strong developer affinity that AWS has done a tremendous job of building that up and it's their raison d'etre, it's how they approach the market. But now you've been at Red Hat for a bit, obviously as well, developer affinity, what have you learned? Specifically as it relates to the cloud, Kubernetes, hottest thing going, you don't want to do an OpenShift commercial, but it's there, you're in the middle of that mix. What have you learned generally? >> Well, Dave, to the comment that you made about developers here, it's developers and the enterprise. We used to have a joke and say, enterprise developer is an oxymoron, but that line between developers doing stuff, early as a cloud, it was stealth computing. It's they're often doing this stuff and central IT is not managing it. So how do the pieces come together? How do apps and infrastructure, how do those pieces come together? And it's something that Red Hat has been doing a long time. Think about the Linux developer. They might've not have been the app developers, the people building Linux and everything, but they had a decent close tie to it. I'm on the OpenShift team. What we do is cloud, Dave, and we've got a partnership here with Amazon. We GAed our native cloud service earlier this year. Andy Jassy helped name it. It is the beautifully named Red Hat OpenShift Service on AWS or ROSA. But we've done OpenShift on AWS for more than five years, basically since we were doing Kubernetes, it's been here because of course customers doing cloud, where are they? A lot of them are here in Amazon. So I've been loving talking to a lot of customers, understanding how enterprise adoption is increasing, how we can enable developers and help them move faster. And yeah, I mean the quick plug on OpenShift is our service. We've got an SRE team that is going to manage all of that. A friend of the program, Corey Quinn, says, "Hey, an SRE team like that, because you don't want to manage as an enterprise." You don't want to manage Kubernetes. Yeah, you need to understand some of the pieces, but what is important to your business is the applications, your data and all those things and managing the undifferentiated heavy lifting. That's one of the reasons you went to the cloud. So therefore changing your model as to how you consume services in the cloud. And what are we seeing with Amazon, Dave? They're trying to build more solutions, simplify deployments, and offer more solutions including with their ecosystem. >> So I want to ask you. You said enterprise developer is kind of an oxymoron, and I remember, years ago I used to hang around with a lot of heads of application development and insurance companies and financial services, pharmaceutical, and they didn't wear hoodies, but they didn't wear suits either. And then when I talked to guys like Jeff Clark, for instance. He talks about we're building an abstraction layer across clouds, blah, blah, blah, which by the way, I think it is the right strategy. I'm like, "Okay, I'll drink some of that Kool-Aid." And then when I come here, we talked to Adam Selipsky. John flew out and I was on the chime. He goes, "Yeah, that's not hybrid. No, this is nothing like, it's not AWS, AWS is cloud." So, square that circle for me, 'cause you're in both worlds and certainly your strategy is to connect those words. Is that cloud? >> Yeah, right. I mean, Dave, we spent years talking about like is private cloud really a cloud? And when we started coming to the show, there is only one cloud. It is the public cloud and Amazon is the paragon of, I don't know what it was. >> Dave: Fake clouds, cloud washing. >> So today, Amazon's putting lots of things into your data center and extending the cloud out to that environment. >> So that's cloud. >> That's cloud. >> What do we call that cloud? What about the reverse? >> What's happening at the edge is that cloud is that extension of what we said from Amazon. If you look at not only Outpost, but Wavelengths and Local Zones and everything else like that. >> Let's say, yes, that's cloud. The APIs, primitives, check. >> Dave, I've always thought cloud is an operating model, not a location. And the hybrid definition is not the old, I did an ebook on this, Dave earlier this year. It's not the decade old NIS definition of an application that spans because I don't get up in the morning as an enterprise and say, "Oh, let me look at the table of how much Google is charging me or Microsoft or Amazon," or wake up one morning and move from one cloud to the other. Portability, follow the sun type stuff, does it ever happen? Yes, but it is rare thing. Applications oftentimes get pulled apart. So we've seen if you talk about AI, training the cloud, then transact and do things at the edge. If I'm in an autonomous vehicle or in a geosynchronous satellite, I can't be going back to the cloud to process stuff. So I get what I need and I process there. The same thing hybrid, oftentimes I will do my transactional activity in the public cloud because I've got unlimited compute capability, but I might have my repository of data for many different reasons, governance or security, all these things in my own data center. So parts of an application might live there, but I don't just span to go between the public cloud in my data center or the edge, it's specific architectural decisions as to how we do this. And by the way the developer, they don't want to have to think about location. I mean, my background, servers, storage, virtualization, all that stuff, that was very much an infrastructure up look of things. Developers want to worry about their code and make sure that it works in production. >> Okay, let me test that. If it's in the AWS cloud and I think it's true for the other hyperscale clouds too, they don't have to think about location, but they still have to think about location on-prem, don't they? >> Well, Dave, even in a public cloud, you do need to worry about sometimes it's like, "Okay, do I split it between availability zones? How do I build that? How do I do that?" So there are things that we build on top of it. So we've seen Amazon. >> I think that's fair, data sovereignty, you have to think about okay. >> Absolutely, a lot of those things. >> Okay, but the experience in Germany is going to be the same as it is in DC, is it not? >> More or less? There are some differences we'll see off and Amazon will roll things out over time and what's available, you've got cloud. >> For sure, though that's definitely true. That's a maturity thing, right? You've talked a bit, but ultimately they all sort of catch up. I guess my question would be is the delta between, let's say, Fed adoption and East Coast, is that delta narrower, significantly narrow than what you might see on-prem? >> The services are the same, sometimes for financial or political things, there might be some slight differences, but yes, the cloud experience should be the same everywhere from Amazon. >> Is it from a standpoint of hybrid, on-prem to cloud, across cloud? >> Many of the things when they go outside of the Amazon data centers are limited or a little bit different or you might have latency considerations that you have to consider. >> Now it's a tug of war. >> So it's not totally seamless because, David Foyer would tell us there, "You're not going to fight physics." There are certain things that we need to have and we've changed the way we architect things because it's no longer the bottleneck of the local scuzzy connection that you have there, it is now (indistinct). >> But the point I'm making is that gets into a tug of war of "Our way is better than your way." And the answer is depends in terms of your workload and the use case. >> You've looked at some of these new databases that span globes and do things of the like. >> Another question, I don't know if you saw the Goldman Sachs deal this morning, Goldman Sachs is basically turning its business into a SaaS and pointing it to their hedge funds and allowing people to access their data, their tools, their software that they built for their own purposes. And now they're outselling it. Similar to what NASDAQ has done. I can't imagine doing that without containers. >> Yeah, so interesting point, I think. At least six years ago now, Amazon launched serverless and serverless was going to take over the world. I dug into the space for a couple of years. And you had the serverless with camp and you had the container camp. Last year at re:Invent, I really felt a shift from Amazon's positioning that many of the abstraction layers and the tools that help you support those environments will now span between Lambda and containers. The container world has been adding serverless functionality. So Amazon does Fargate. The open-source community uses something called Knative, and just breaking this week. Knative was a project that Google started and it looks like that is going to move over to the CNCF. So be part of the whole Kubernetes ecosystem and everything like that. Oracle, VMware, IBM, Red Hat, all heavily involved in Knative, and we're all excited to see that go into the CNCF. So the reason I say that, I've seen from Amazon, I actually, John and I, when we interviewed Andy Jassy back in 2017, I asked him a follow-up question because he said if he was to build AWS in 2017, "I would start with everything underneath it serverless." I would wonder if following up with Adam or Andy today, I'd said, "Would it be all serverless or would containers be a piece of it?" Because sometimes underneath it doesn't matter or sometimes it can be containers and serverless. It's a single unit in Amazon and when they position things, it's now that spectrum of unit, everything from the serverless through the containers, through... James Hamilton wrote a blog post today about running Xen-on-Nitro and they have a migration service for a mainframe. So what do we know? That one of the only things about IT is almost nothing ever goes away. I mean, it sounded like Amazon declared coming soon the end of life of mainframe. My friends over at IBM might not be quite ready to call that era over but we shall see. All these things take time. Everything in IT is additive. I'm happy to see. It is very much usually an end world when I look at the container and Kubernetes space. That is something that you can have a broad spectrum of applications. So some of my more monolithic applications can move over, my cool new data, AI things, I can build on it, microservices in between. And so, it's a broad platform that spans the cloud, the edge, the data center. So that cloud operating model is easier to have consistency all the places that I go. >> Mainframe is in the cloud. Well, we'll see. Big banks by the next site unseen. So I think Amazon will be able to eat away at the edges of that, but I don't think there's going to be a major migration. They claim it. Their big thing is that you can't get COBOL programmers. So I'm like, "Yeah, call DXC, you'll get plenty." Let's talk about something more interesting. (Stu laughs softly) So the last 10 years was a lot of, a lot about IT transformation and there was a lot more room to grow there. I mean, the four big hyperscalers are going to do 120 billion this year. They're growing at 35%. Maybe it's not a trillion, but there's a $500 billion market that they're going after, maybe more. It looks like there's a real move. You saw that with NASDAQ, the Goldman deal, to really drive into business, deeper business integration in addition to IT transformation. So how do you see the next decade of cloud? What should we be watching? >> So, one of the interesting trends, I mean, Dave, for years we covered big data and big data felt very horizontal in it's approach thing. Hadoop take over the world. When I look at AI solutions, when I look at the edge computing technologies that happen, they're very vertically driven. So, our early customers in edge adoption tend to be like telco with the 5G rollout manufacturing in some of their environments. AI, every single industry has a whole set of use cases that they're using that go very deep. So I think cloud computing goes from, we talked about infrastructure as a service to it needs to be more, it is solution, some of these pieces go together. When Adam got up on stage and talked about how many instance types they have on Amazon, Dave, it's got to be 2X or 4X more different instant types than if I went to go to HPE or Dell and buy a physical server for my environment. So we need to have areas and guidance and blueprints and heck, use some of that ML and AI to help drive people to the right solutions because we definitely have the paradox of choice today. So I think you will find some gravity moving towards some of these environments. Gravatar has been really interesting to watch. Obviously that Annapurna acquisition should be down as one of the biggest ones in the cloud era. >> No lack of optionality to your point. So I guess to the point of deeper business integration, that's the big question, will Amazon provide more solution abstractions? They certainly do with Connect. We didn't hear a ton of that this show. >> Interestingly. (Dave speaking indistinctly) So the article that you and John Furrier wrote after meeting with Adam, the thing that caught my eye is discussion of community and ecosystems. And one of the things coming after, some, big communities out there like, you and I lived through the VMware ecosystem in that very tight community. There are forming little areas of community here in this group, but it's not a single cloud community. There are those focus areas that they have. And I do love to see, I mean, obviously working for Red Hat, talking about the ecosystem support. I was very happy to hear Adam mention Red Hat in the keynote as one of the key hybrid partners there. So, for Amazon to get from the 60 million, the 60 billion to the trillion dollar mark down the road, it's going to take a village and we're happy to be a part of it. >> Hey, great to have you back, enjoy the rest of the show. This is, let's see, day three, we're wrapping up. We're here again tomorrow so check it out. Special thanks to obviously AWS is our anchor sponsor and of course, AMD for sponsoring the editorial segments of our event. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in tech coverage. See you tomorrow. (bright upbeat music)

>>Mhm Yes. >>Hello and welcome back to the cubes coverage of Del Tech World Virtual. I'm john for a host of the cube. We've got a great two guests here talking about a new apex brand and products Allison Langdon, Senior Manager, product marketing at Dell and David Reed senior Director of Product Management. Dell all around the apex to CUBA alumni's great to see you remotely. Soon to be in person. It's right around the corner but great to see you. >>Hey, thanks for having me and us. >>So I wish >>we were in person. >>We missed the Deltek Worlds amazing event. Um we're virtual this year but all great goodness is here but great big announcement still go on. The Apex Brandon portfolio is coming together the cloud and as a service, everything is happening. You got the new apex data storage service take us through what what is the new service? Why? >>Sure. So I can start um you know, we've been seeing this this shift towards an as a service model, you know I. T. Has always struggled with complexities associated with under and over provisioning capital budget constraints, lengthy and complex to refresh cycles. So you know the events over this past year and our new normal is really accelerated these you know challenges and it made them even more manageable. You know organizations need to become really agile and um they don't want to invest make big upfront investments in infrastructure when they're having such a hard time forecasting there needs you know the new levels of unpredictability that's been accelerating this you know adoption of as of service. So this is why we're introducing apex data storage services essentially were radically simplifying how customers can acquire and manage their storage resources. So data storage services is going to be the first as a service offering in our apex portfolio. So it's going to provide an on crown portfolio of scalable and elastic storage resources that are designed for affects treatment. It's all going to be anchored in our apex console. So it's gonna be a seamless self service experience where you just have a few key inputs, your data service, your performance tier, you're looking for your commitment term, your base capacity, for example and then all the infrastructure is owned and maintained by us built on our Industry leading Technology. So really delivering a super simple self service as a service experience, >>You know, when Jeff Clark was first talking about this as a service as it should be, you know, introducing the project, Apex Devon, I was kind of okay, this is kind of what we heard when we were last in person in 2019. The end to end l cloud, hybrid, cloud operating model, this is kind of what we're talking about here. What's something that covers? What's what's what is this data services? How does that vector into that? Because you know data control planes are being talked about a lot. The use of data in A I. And A II. Operations impacts I. T. And cloud scale. So hybrids now the operating model for the enterprise. >>Yeah. Yeah definitely. And it's this is really only where we're starting and we're going to be starting on a set of apex data storage services. Um so if I step back a little bit and talk a little bit about what apex data storage services are, I'd like to draw a little bit of a contrast to how customers procure their equipment today. So a customer typically today says I need some storage I need some mid range storage. I need for example a power store 5000 and then they work with the sales representative and says I need 24 1.92 terabyte drives. They need certain connectivity and then we present a quote to them with a whole bunch of line items with a lot of different prices and then the customer needs purchased that year, purchased that upfront and then uh, the only asset and then they managed the asset. So they're taking the risk. They need to plan for that capacity. And what we're doing is we're radically flipping that model. Uh, and what we're, what we're doing here is we're just driving to an outcome. So customers, they don't want to take that risk. They just want to drive to their business outcomes and they want to manage their applications. So what they have to do in this model is just pick, hey, I want storage services, I want some block services, I want a certain performance level and I learned a certain capacity and I want a commitment level. And what we do is we basically create a rate for them And we've optimized a lot of our processes on the back end to be able to, once that order has booked, we target a very rapid time of 14 days from the time the order is dropped until the customer can actually start operating on that here. From the, the time is dropped to the time that they can produce in their first volume Is 14 days. And really all they have to do is operate the year and we manage everything everything for them that you know, from capacity management to change management to software, life cycles, patching and you and things like that. And now jOHN I want to address your question about the hybrid world. It's absolutely designed for a hybrid world. So in our first release will be offering this on customer premises. And we're also introducing announcing a relationship we have with the data center provider of Equinox, which is the largest co location provider in the world. And what will be able to do is provide the subscription service of this as a service, not only customer on customer premises but in near cloud environments, in a co location facility. And we also have software assets that will extend into this environment, all driven by a central pain of unified experience. >>That's awesome. The hybrid cloud, It's gotta have that table stakes now. So, good, good plug there. Thanks Call out Allison, I gotta ask you on the customer side, what's the drivers for the apex data storage service? What was the key things that there you're hearing, why this is important to them? Uh, and what is the value proposition? >>Right, Great question. So I touched on a little bit of that upfront, but it's, you know, essentially what we what we do with this offering is take it out of the infrastructure business so that they can focus on more value added activities, focusing on customer satisfaction. Um You know, because we're maintaining we're managing and maintaining all the infrastructure for them. You know, some of the key pain points are just, you know, the overhead associated with maintaining and managing that infrastructure. But there's also the financial aspect as well. These services are designed for affects treatment, so you're not having to make that big initial Capex expense, um you're really able to align your expenses with actual usage versus anticipated usage. So it eliminates that, you know, cycle of over and under provisioning, which either results in, you know, over provisions waste or under provisions risk. We essentially, you know, streamlined all of those processes. So the customer just has to worry about operating the, operating their storage and it takes a lot of that worry off of them and they're able to just pay for what they use, elastically scale of resources up and down. So it's essentially really simplified and more predictable. >>Page has always been one of those things where hey, I'll pay when I need it. I gotta ask you on the differentiation side. This is comes up all the time. How do you guys different from alternatives? How do you differentiate going forward? How do you guys be successful? What's the, what's the strategy? What's the, what's the focus? >>Yeah. So I'll take the, I'll take a couple of points and then I'll pass it over to you Alison if you don't >>mind. Um, >>so first and foremost, I'm asked this a lot. So what does Dell bring to the table in this whole little apex? And as a service? First and foremost, Del is the leading infrastructure provider for all of I. T. On premise. We have the enterprise infrastructure re leading across just about every major category of infrastructure. So first and foremost we have that. We also have the scale of the reach, not only in our enterprise relationships through our partner community. So that is one that is one huge advantage that we have. One thing that we're and we talked about this model. Um the level of management that we provide for our customers is second to none with this solution. So we provide um we provide all of the the difficult management tasks from end end that a customer that we repeatedly hear from our customers that they don't want to be dealing with anymore. And we're going to be able to do that at scale for our customers. And I know there's a couple more points, so I'd like to I'll pass it on to Alison and she can she can address a couple more points there. >>Yeah, sure. I mean obviously Devin makes a great point as being an industry leader and just the breadth of our portfolio in general, beyond just storage that we can essentially deliver as a service, but no, with our initial flagship storage as a service offering. Um, so with apex data storage services, you know, I talked a little bit about, you know, the pay as you go, pay as you know, pay for what you use. You know, essentially the way this works is, you know, there's an initial based commitment of capacity that the customer commits to and then they're able to elastically scale up and down above that base and only pay for what they use. One of the differentiators were bringing to the table is that, you know, in addition to that base and that, you know, the on demand space if you will, that that goes above that we're charging a single rate. So it's really a simplified and transparent billing process. So you're not getting any over ridge penalties or fees for going into that on demand. It's essentially a single rate based on your commitment and you know, as much as you scale up and down, you're gonna you're gonna stay within one single rate. So no surprise average penalties. So that's definitely something that that differentiates us. And the customers also have the ability to raise that based commitment at any point. Co terminus lee in their contract. So if they're seeing like a strong growth trajectory or anticipating a more, you know, a big burst in usage for some data intensive type workloads. You know, we can add that can raise that floor commitment resulting in a lower rate but still a single rate for both based on demand. >>Well certainly data storage and moving data around, having it in the edge to the core to whatever is critical. And I think I think that's a great service. The question I want to ask you guys next to addresses. Give us an update on the apex brand and portfolio overall. How does this fit in? How is it shaping out? Can just take a minute to explain kind of where it is right now and what's available, how it was the strategy and what's coming? >>Sure. So I can talk a little bit about what's available when we're talking about today and then maybe devon if you can touch a little bit on the on the strategy and going forward. Um But what we've announced today is you at Del Tech World is the apex brand, the apex portfolio, which as I mentioned, it's our strategy for as a service and cloud. So in addition to our data storage services offering that we've been focused on today, um which is part of our infrastructure services, we're also introducing our cloud services as well as some more customizable services. So from a cloud services perspective, we're also going to be talking about our apex private cloud and apex hybrid cloud offerings. And then of course the apex console is really what brings all of these pieces together. It's that single self service experience to manage all of your as a service resources from a single place, David, I don't know if you want to take it. >>So what I would, what I would like to add is a little bit more color on the customized services. So if you look at apex at a high level um it's really how we're transforming the way we do business with our partners and customers and the way we deliver products and offers to our our partners and customers. And within the apex umbrella there's really two segments of customers that we see. One, there is still a segment of customers that want some technology control. They want to build their they want to build their clouds, they want to build their infrastructure and that's where really the apex custom comes into it. And we have a very large business in our custom business today with Dell technologies on demand with flex on demand and data center utility and those will be represented to be apex flex on demand, apex data center utility, um you know, that's what we're announcing here. And then the second portion is really this apex turnkey offer where customers don't care to manage it, they want to just consume, they want to operate their gear. And that's where a lot of the innovation, a lot of the a lot of the strategy that we're talking about here with the hybrid cloud service, the product cloud service, apex data storage services. So we're building out a set of world class infrastructure services that will then be able to wrap our leading infrastructure utilities around data protection, security, migration, compliance etcetera. And then build a set of horizontal and vertical solutions on top of this infrastructure to provide uh paramount uh value to our >>awesome Alice. I gotta ask you because this is always the case right. There's always one or two features that jump out the product, everything as a service clearly aligns with the market macro conditions in the marketplace and the evolution of the architecture in all businesses. That's clear, there's no debate on that. You guys got that nailed. What's the, what's the key thing if you had to kind of boil out the one thing that people are gravitating towards on the data storage service because um, everyone kinda is going here, right? So what if you get people that are watching it are learning what's popping out as the key product feature here or a few things that jump out. >>Sure. So, I mean really at the core, it's all about simplicity. Um, it's in terms of the console itself, which we've talked about it, you know, you have your infrastructure resources, your storage, your cloud services and it's all, it's just so simple. It's just, it's a matter of a few simple clicks and inputs that are pretty intuitive to meet your needs. It's the fact that its outcome based, you know, we're not focused on delivering a product, it's really truly delivering an outcome and a service to meet the customer's needs. So it's a whole new way of you know approaching the market and talking to our customers and making it intuitive and simple and seamless and really, you know, taking so much of the complexity off of the table for them. Um So it's the simplicity of the console, it's the being able to transition to more op ex model um from a financial aspect is huge and then you know aligning your expenses, you know with your actual versus and you know anticipated usage, so being able to manage that unpredictability, so that's necessary talking about a specific feature but really how we're driving towards really focusing on the customer needs. >>Now the business values right there, it's all about the outcome and you know, we're about getting charged on this variable, you know, over age on some service David. How about under the hood? If I look at the engine of this, how it fits into the kind of product architecture, you look at the product management, you're building the product and the engineers are cranking away what's the, what's the gear, what gears look like? What's the machinery look like under the hood? What's the cool tech, if any, um, you would share, if you can share. >>Yeah, it's interesting that you asked that, john and it's, it's really interesting that we got probably what, 12 minutes into this interview and we didn't even talk about a product, not one single product and that is really by design here. We're really, we're really selling the service. We're selling an offer. The product is the service, the service is the product and it's really about selling those outcomes. But then at the end of the day since we're talking talking shop here um we are introducing block services and that's powered by our new award winning power store mid range product and our file services are going to be powered by our um our award winning power scale and Ice alone systems as well. So we'll be interested you know introducing block and file services and we'll be extending that to object object services and data storage services. Uh >>huh, awesome. You know Alison and Devon I was talking to a friend we're running weren't on camera with the camera was turned on but we're just riffing about all the coolness around devops to have sex cops, how I. T. S go into large scale cloud apps and we're talking about all that and we were both kind of coming to the same conclusion that the next generation on top of all this automation is the excess of service, everything is a service. Because if you go that next level, that's where it is. Because the outcomes, the outcome is the services and that's underpinned by automation ai ops all the other stuff that's kind of hardened underneath still enables it. And you guys are already there. So congratulations. That's really cool reaction to that. That concept of automation powers X as a service. >>Yeah, I'll take that one, john. So, um while I talked only about playing storage technologies that power this there is a phenomenal amount of investment in um uh work and thought going into building out the underlying infrastructure and operations behind this because we need to provide um the operations and management of this infrastructure services, not only for storage but for compute and solutions and develops environment at scale. And it's crucial that we, we build out that infrastructure, that automation, that machine learning AI offers to really support this. So yeah, you're absolutely right. That is fundamental to getting this model. Uh nailed >>Alison. You're feeling pretty good about the product and the service. Now everything is a service that's your wheelhouse. It's happening. >>Yeah, here we are. We've got, we've got apex portfolio has arrived. So yeah, feeling good. Um, definitely excited. >>He was bright. Congratulations Allison David, thanks for coming on the Cuban, sharing the updates on the apex new data storage services, the new portfolio, the directionally correct action of everything as a service and all the automation that goes on the, that's really kind of a game changer. Thanks so much for sharing on the CUBA. Really appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. >>Thanks a lot, john, >>thank you. Okay. >>Del Tech world cube coverage continues. I'm john Kerry, the host. Thanks for watching. Yeah. Mhm.

>> Narrator: From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage of Dell Technologies World, Digital Experience, brought to you by Dell Technologies. >> Welcome to theCUBE's continuing coverage of Dell Technologies World 2020, The Digital Experience. It was last week, we're going to have some continued conversations here. I've got a couple of guests joining me. One is an alumni. That's Jen Felch, the Chief Digital Officer and CIO at Dell Technologies. Jen, welcome back to the virtual CUBE. >> Thank you. And joining Jen is Deepak Patil the SVP and GM of Dell Technologies Cloud. Deepak, welcome to the CUBE. >> Thank you very much Lisa. Excited to be here. >> So the event was last week. It was huge. We know that. And, of course, challenging in the fact that we're also used to being surrounded by thousands and thousands of people in Las Vegas and thousands and thousands of partners, but it's still a great opportunity for Dell Technologies to engage its customers and its partners in the ecosystem. We heard a lot, Deepak, last week about this shift from Dell to deliver as a service. This is what Project APEX powered by Cloud Console. What can you tell us about that? >> Absolutely, Lisa, and what an exciting week it was. We did announce Project APEX at the Dell Technologies World. We are very excited about it. Project APEX marks a strategic milestone for us and our company in three specific areas. Number one is we are on a path to significantly accelerate our transformation into an as a service world. Number two, we are investing in radically simplify the way our customers engage with us. Discover, purchase, manage offers from us. And number three is we are continuing our commitment to provide more flexibility, more choice to our customers. And to make it happen, Project APEX essentially brings all the efforts across the entire Dell Technologies from product development to services, to go to market motions, marketing, finance under the Project APEX umbrella. It's a significant endeavor and we are really excited about it. Of course- >> Companies, oh go ahead, sorry. >> I'm sorry. Of course the Cloud Console that you mentioned is a key component of realizing the Project APEX Division and taking Project APEX to our customers. We are in the public preview of the Cloud Console. Using the Cloud Console with a few clicks, our customers can browse through a catalog of cloud services from us, as well as our partners using a self-serve immersive experience, they can then purchase products like the Dell Technologies Cloud Platform subscription. IT professionals then can provision and deploy workloads, including hybrid solutions like VMware Tanzu. Our customers can then manage and monitor workloads, and using real time insights and data, they can take actions like extending and expanding the system when the capacity is running low. As you know, we also announced storage as a service offering, but an offering like storage as a service using Cloud Console, our customers can see real time insights and cost breakdowns by the teams or cost centers. So, in many ways, the cloud Console really brings the power of Project APEX and the entire cloud operating model to our customer's fingertips. We're very excited about it. >> Lot of work there. So one the things I remember talking Dell Technologies World 2019 about the big digital transformation that Dell Technologies was undergoing. Deepak, you mentioned from a Project APEX perspective, this acceleration of transformation. Jen, over to you, as the Chief Digital Officer and the CIO, how has your team been able to enable this shift to the as a service model to facilitate the self-service and all of the capabilities that Deepak talked about? What's that been like? >> Well, it's been pretty exciting from a couple fronts is, you know, we've always had some aspect of as a service in our offering, whether that is software, our DFS organization, or, you know, as funny as it might sound, our actual services organization is certainly as a service. But as Deepak mentioned, and what our customers tell us, is that let's do more of that. Let's take the broad portfolio of technical solutions and services that we have today and make them simple, consistent, give IT leaders and organizations choice. And so, as the internal team, internal IT team, we play two roles. One is to, we're an internal customer. We're a very large customer of all of the Dell technology products and solutions. And so, we get to offer a lot of feedback about how we would like to work, what we've been doing to really innovate in terms of how we bring things together. And mostly we get to be those early adopters for our product groups in groups like, like Deepak's, which is wonderful to be able to give that early feedback and contribute to great solutions. The second part of it is actually doing the enablement of as a service of how, what are the underlying components that go into the engagement platform that Deepak mentioned, the Cloud Console. How does that leverage the scale of Dell, yet create those really simple consistent, transparent choices for our customers? So our teams get to sit side by side in terms of how we develop these solutions and how we're bringing Project APEX to life, both as a customer and as a development partner, so that we can really bring that together for our customers. And I'm pretty excited about using the solutions. We get to, you know, be involved with it every day. And I can't wait until it's running even more of our infrastructure internally. >> Big, big effort. Deepak, let's come back to you and talk about the market. As we know, this is a very competitive market, congested. You talked about some of the other things that we talked about on theCUBE as well for Dell technologies, world storage as a service. With this landscape that is highly competitive and has been for quite some time with this new strategy, Project APEX, what part of the market, or parts, is Dell going after? >> Absolutely. And just one comment on what Jen said. The work that Jen's team and my team are doing sitting side by side is an example, and just one of the many examples, but a shining example of how we are putting the power of unified Dell technologies behind this effort. Going back to your question, Lisa, we are in what we call it the fourth industrial revolution or whatever you want to call it. We are in a massive shift to a simple, flexible and an operating model full of choices with respect to this as a service cloud transformation, across the industry. Over the next few years, whoever essentially captures the market is going to have to deliver three core promises to our customers. Number one, is we know that we're in the middle of a multi-cloud hybrid cloud world. Any service provider, any cloud provider that eliminates the seams across different cloud environments and makes a multi-cloud experience truly consistent and simple and modern and seamless is going to have a massive advantage. Number two, customers' workforce are going to be all over the place. Good portion of their workforce are going to be in their data centers, good portions of workloads are going to be on Edge, And then are going to be good portions of workloads that are going to be in public cloud. Anybody who meets customers where they're at so that customers don't have to massively invest, invest massively in re-engineering and the VR protector and refactoring, but still enjoy the benefits of this new cloud operating model, from performance and reliability to scalability and efficiency, with the minimum possible efforts, is going to create a significant value proposition. And number three, anybody who essentially focuses on outcomes and experiences and workloads, rather than products and specific offers is going to have a significant benefit. And the work we're doing under the umbrella of Project APEX essentially delivers on all three of those promises. As I mentioned, we radically and massively simplify and eliminate the seams across different cloud environments. We focus on outcome based conversation and with the work that we're doing on with VMware on our massive 4,200 plus people partner, 4,200 plus partner ecosystem, we are working to meet customers where they're at instead of forcing them to re-engineer and re-architect and move to cloud instead of the cloud coming to meet them wherever they're at. So we do believe that the strengths that we traditionally have always had with respect to the broad technology and product and services portfolio, 30 plus thousand sales force, 4,200 plus people partner ecosystem, and a massive asset through the partner, just the best 20 plus year old partnership we have with NEOM brand, and the broad product, as well as partner portfolio at NEOM. We even like a chances in terms of helping each and every customer we work with fundamentally modernize their own portfolio, help their customers and make significant progress on their digital transformation journey. >> We definitely know that there was a big engine, a lot of momentum behind the size and the scale of Dell itself. So going back to you, Jen, if we think about some of the things that we heard again at Dell Technologies World, when we spoke with Jeff Clark, who's the COO and Vice Chairman of Dell technologies. Just in the last couple of weeks, he talked about six areas and IT innovation that Dell is focusing on. and I wanted to get your thoughts on these. Pirate Cloud, Edge, 5G, AI and ML, data management and security. In your opinion, Jen, what of this suite of six areas of IT innovation sets Dell up for success? >> That's a good question. And you know, I would say these six areas are not foreign to us. They're not necessarily brand new. They're all sit kind of right next to areas where we have very deep expertise. And so I think about the fact that, you know, we design, manufacturer, service and manage IT solutions all over the world. Large customers, small customers, consumers. We have an incredible breadth and reach of what we're doing today both from the solutions that we provide and the experiences that our customers are driving. Whether that is, you know, extending work from home or learn from home or they're, you know, going through a digital transformation as Deepak talked about, trying to really simplify their ecosystem. Oftentimes it's Dell, that's sitting right there with them. So we have an opportunity, I think unlike many others, to bring the technical expertise from the products and services that we offer, along with the experience from really working with the best and brightest of customers, as well as this ecosystem of partners 42,000, I mean, Deepak, that's a really big number, but that creates a real opportunity for innovation as things like 5G really emerge. And we have the power behind the data management analytics to support ML and AI. So, you know, when I step back and, and look at kind of what sets us up for success, it's not something that just happened yesterday. It's something that's been happening at Dell for a very long time, which is the deep technical expertise and really close engagements with our customers so that we can focus on bringing technology to solve the problems of today and set us up for the future. I know, as an IT leader, I appreciate the fact that solutions from Dell are very open. So they give us a lot of flexibility to not only provide a solution for today, but solutions that will last over time, that we have some flexibility. We don't have an incredible lock that we can never get out of it. So I am very optimistic about the future and look forward to these innovations and really, we have solutions in most, all of these areas today. I know they'll just continue to get better and better. >> Jen, last question for you before we wrap, because of course, Project APEX that Deepak talked about and kind of dug into, massive undertaking, of course, during the time of a massive change to the entire world, where suddenly, this shift to work from home was a rapid pivot. I can imagine as your teams, you talked about both of your teams really kind of not co-locating physically anymore but being able to work together. How did you manage that, and to enable the team to stay on track, to deliver this for Dell Technologies World? That's a big, it's a big task. >> It is a big task, but we have great teams. And, you know, I think as we've, we've kind of, the status quo has been disrupted, not necessarily by us, right, but by the environment that we're in. And so Deepak and I, and several other leaders, we keep our teams close and focused on where we're aiming, what we're, you know, what our mission is so that we can continue to innovate. And I will tell you, I feel like we have an incredible focus. The vision is clear as to where we want to go. And it probably just sounds simple but it's just engaged leadership. That's how we keep people focused. That's how we're keeping our eye on the ball of where we're headed. >> That's, couldn't be more important. You know, you talked about simplicity, about that engaged leadership is so key. You guys, thank you so much. There's so much more we could dig into. I wish we had more time. Thank you for sharing what's going on with Project APEX, Dell technologies, how it's helping customers transform, because we know right now, that digital transformation is only accelerating. So we'll have to have you back to talk about what's going on. Deepak, Jen, thank you for joining us. >> Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. >> Thank you. >> For my guests, Jen Felch and Deepak Patil, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE's coverage of Dell Technologies World, the virtual experience. (digitized music)

>>from around the globe. It's the Cube with digital coverage of Dell Technologies. World Digital experience Brought to you by Dell Technologies. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to the cubes Coverage of Del Tech World 2020. With me is Jeff Boudreau, the president general manager of Infrastructure Solutions group Deltek. Jeff, always good to see you, my friend. How you doing? >>Good. Good to see you. >>I wish we were hanging out a Sox game or a pat's game, but, uh, I guess this will dio But, you know, it was about a year ago when you took over leadership of I s G. I actually had way had that sort of brief conversation. You were in the room with Jeff Clark. I thought it was a great, great choice. How you doing? How you feeling Any sort of key moments the past 12 months that you you feel like sharing? >>Sure. So I first I want to say, I do remember that about a year ago. So thank you for reminding me. Yeah, it's, uh it's been a very interesting year, right? It's been it's been one year. It was in September was one year since I took over I s G. But I'm feeling great. So thank you for asking. I hope you're doing the same. And I'm really optimistic about where we are and where we're heading. Aziz, you know, it's been an extremely challenging year in a very unpredictable year, as we've all experienced. And I'd say for the, you know, the first part of the year, especially starting in March on I've been really focused on the health and safety of our, you know, the families, our customers and our team members of the team on a lot of it's been shifting, you know, in regards to helping our customers around, you know, work from home or education and learn from home. And, you know, during all this time, though, I'll tell you, as a team, we've accomplished a lot. There's a handful of things that I'm very proud of, you know, first and foremost, that states around the customer experience we have delivered on our best quality in our product. NPS scores in our entire history. So something I'm extremely proud of during this time around our innovation and innovation engine, we part of the entire portfolio which you're well aware of. We had nine launches in nine weeks back in that May in June. Timeframe. So something I'm really proud of the team on, uh, on. Then last, I'd say it's around the team and right, we shifted about 90% of our workforce from the office tow home, you know, from an engineering team. That could be, you know, 85% of my team is engineers and writing code. And so, you know, people were concerned about that. But we didn't skip a beat, so, you know, pretty impressed by the team and what they've done there. So, you know, the strategy remains unchanged. Uh, you know, we're focused on our customers integrating across the entire portfolio and the businesses like VM ware and really focused on getting share. So despite all the uncertainty in the market, I'm pretty pleased with the team and everything that's been going on. So uh, yeah, it's it's been it's been an interesting year, but it's really great. I'm really optimistic about what we have in front of us. >>Yeah, I mean, there's not much you could do a control about the macro condition on it, you know it. Z dealt to us and we have to deal with it. I mean, in your space. It's the sort of countervailing things here one is. Look, you're not selling laptops and endpoint security. That's not your business right in the data center. Eso. But the flip side of that is you mentioned your portfolio refresh. You know, things like Power Store. You got product cycles now kicking in. So that could be, you know, a buffer. What are you seeing with Power Store and what's the uptake look like? They're >>sure. Well, specifically, let me take a step back and the regards the portfolio. So first, you know, the portfolio itself is a direct reflection in the feedback from all our partners and our customers over the last couple of years on Day two, ramp up that innovation. I spent a lot of time in the last few years simplifying under the power brands, which you're well aware of, right? So we had a lot of for a legacy EMC and Legacy dollars. Really? How do we simplify under a set of brands really over delivering innovation on a fewer set of products that really accelerating in exceeding customer needs? And we did that across the board. So from power edge servers, you know, power Max, the high end storage, the Powerball, all that we didn't hear one. And just most recently. And, you know, it's part of the big launches. We had power scale. We have power flex for software to find. And, of course, the new flagship offer for the mid range, which is power store. Um, Specifically, the policy of the momentum has been building since our launch back in May. And the feedback from our partners and our customers has been fantastic. And we've had a lot of big wins against, you know, a lot of a lot of our core competitors. A couple examples one is Arrow Electronics SAA, Fortune 500 Global Elektronik supplier. They leverage power Store to provide, you know, basically both, you know, enterprise computing and storage needs for their for their broader bases around the world on there, really taking advantage of the 41 data reduction, really helping them simplify their capacity planning and really improve operational efficiencies specifically without impacting performance. So it's it's one. We're given the data reductions, but there's no impact on performance, which is a huge value proffer for arrow another big customers tickets and write a global law firm on their reporting to us that over 90 they've had a 90% reduction in their rack space, and they've had over five times two performance over a core competitors storage systems azi. They've deployed power store around the world, really, and it's really been helping them. Thio easily migrate workloads across, so the feedback from the customers and partners has been extremely positive. Um, there really citing benefits around the architecture, the flexibility architecture around the micro services, the containers they're loving, the D M or integration. They're loving the height of the predictable data reduction capabilities in line with in line performance or no performance penalties with data efficiencies, the workload support, I'd say the other big things around the anytime upgrades is another big thing that customers we're really talking about so very excited and optimistic in regards as we continue to re empower store the second half of the year into next year really is the full full year for power store. >>So can I ask you about that? That in line data reduction with no performance hit is that new ipe? I mean, you're not doing some kind of batch data reduction, right? >>No, it's It's new, I p. It's all patented. We've actually done a lot of work in regards to our technologies. There's some of the things we talk about GPS and deep use and smart Knicks and things like that. We've used some offload engines to help with that. So between the software and the hardware, we've had leverage new I. P. So we can actually provide that predictable data reduction. But right with the performance customers need, So we're not gonna have a trade off in regards. You get more efficiencies and less performance or more performance and less efficiency. >>That's interesting. Yeah, when I talked to the chip guys, they talk about this sort of the storage offloads and other offloads we're seeing. These alternative processors really start to hit the market videos. The obvious one. But you're seeing others. Aziz. Well, you're really it sounds like you're taking advantage of that. >>Yeah, it's a huge benefit. I mean, we should, you know, with our partners, if it's Intel's and in videos and folks like that broad comes, it's really leveraging the great innovation that they do, plus our innovation. So if you know the sum of the parts, can you know equal Mauritz a benefit to our customers in the other day? That's what it's all about. >>So it sounds like Cove. It hasn't changed your strategy. I was talking toe Dennis Hoffman and he was saying, Look, you know, fundamentally, we're executing on the same strategy. You know, tactically, there's things that we do differently. But what's your summarize your strategy coming in tow 2021. You know, we're still early in this decade. What are you seeing is the trends that you're trying to take advantage of? What do you excited about? Maybe some things that keep you up at night? >>Yeah, so I'd say, you know, I'll stay with what Dennis said. You know, it's our strategy is not changing its a company. You probably got that from Michael and from job, obviously, Dennis just recently. But for me, it's a two pronged approach. One's all about winning the consolidation in the core infrastructure markets that we could just paid in today. So I think Service Storage Network, we're already clear leader across all those segments that we serve in our you know, we'll continue to innovate within our existing product categories. And you saw that with the nine launches in the nine weeks in my point on that one is we're gonna always make sure that we have best debris offers. If it's a three tier, two tier or converge or hyper converged offer, we wanna make sure that we serve that and have the best innovation possible. In addition to that, though, the secondary piece of the strategy really is around. How do we differentiate value across or innovating across I S G? You know, Dell Technologies and even the broader ecosystems and some of the examples I'll give you right now that we're doing is if you think about innovating across icy, that's all about providing improved customer experience, a set of solutions and offers that really helped simplify customer operations, right? And really give them better T CEOs or better. S L. A. An example of something like that's cloud like it's a SAS based off of that we have. That really helps provide great insights and telemetry to our customers. That helps them simplify their I T operations, and it's a major step forward towards, you know, autonomous infrastructure which is really what they're asking for. Customers of a very happy with the work we've done around Day one, you know, faster, time to value. But now it's like Day two and beyond. How do you really helped me Kinda accelerate the operations and really take that away from a three other big pieces innovating across all technologies. And you know, we do this with VM Ware now live today, and that's just writing. So things like VX rail is an example where we work together and where the clear leader in H C I. Things like Delta Cloud Uh, when we built in V M V C F A, B, M or cloud foundation in Tan Xue delivering an industry leading hybrid cloud platform just recently a VM world. I'm sure you heard about it, but Project Monterey was just announced, and that's an effort we're doing with VM Ware and some other partners. They're really about the next generation of infrastructure. Um, you know, I guess taking it up a notch out of the infrastructure and I've g phase, you know, some of the areas that we're gonna be looking at the end to end solutions to help our customers around six key areas. I'm sure John Rose talking about the past, but things like cloud Edge five g A i m l data management security. So those will be the big things. You'll see us lean into a Z strategies consistent. Some big themes that you'll see us lean into going into next year. >>Yeah, I mean, it is consistent, right? You guys have always tried to ride the waves, vector your portfolio into those waves and add value. I'm particularly impressed with your focus on customer experience, and I think that's a huge deal. You know, in the past, a lot of companies yours included your predecessor. You see, Hey, throwing so many products at me, I can't I don't understand the portfolio. So I mean, focusing on that I think is huge right now because people want that experience, you know, to be mawr cloudlike. And that's that's what you got to deliver. What about any news from from Dell Tech world? Any any announcements that you you wanna highlight that we could talk about? >>Sure. And actually, just touching back on the point you had no about the simplification that is a major 10 of my in regards the organization. So there's three key components that I drive once around customer focus, and that's keeping customers first and foremost. And everything we do to is around axillary that innovation. Engine three is really bringing everything together as one team. So we provide a better outcome to our customers. You know, in that simplification after that you talk about is court toe what we're driving. So I want to do less things, I guess better in the notion of how we do that. What that means to me is, as I make decisions that want to move away from other technologies and really leverage our best of breed type shared type, that's technology. I p people I p I can, you know, e can exceed customer needs in those markets that were serving. So it's actually allows me to x Sorry, my innovation engine, because I shift more and more resource is onto the newer stock now for Del Tech world. Yes, We got some cool stuff coming. You probably heard about a few of them. Uh, we're gonna be announcing a project project Apex. Hopefully you've been briefed on that already. This isn't new news or I'll be in trouble. But that's really around. Our strategy about delivering, simple, consistent as a service experiences for our customers bringing together are dealt technology as a service offering and our cloud strategy together. Onda also our technology offerings in our go to market all under a single unified effort, which Ellison do would be leading. Um, you know, on behalf of our executive leadership team s, that's one big area. And there is also another big one that I'll talk about a sui expand our as a service offers. And we think there's a big power to that in regards to our Dell Technologies. Cloud console solving will be launching a new cloud console that will provide uniformed experience across all the resources and give users and ability toe instantly managed every aspect of their cloud journey with just a few clicks. So going back to your broader point, it's all about simplicity. >>Yeah, we definitely all over Apex. That's something I wanted to ask you about this notion of as a service, really requiring it could have a new mindset, certainly from a pricing and how you talk about the customer experience that it's a whole new customer experience. Your you're basically giving them access. Thio What I would consider more of a platform on giving them some greater flexibility. Yeah, there's some constraints in there, but of course, you know the physical only put so much capacity and before him. But the idea of being ableto dial up, dial down within certain commitments is, I think, a powerful one. How does it change the way in which you you think about how you go about developing products just in terms of you know, this AP economy Infrastructure is code. How how you converse about those products internally and externally. How would you see that shaking >>out Dave? That's an awesome question. And it's actually for its front center. For everything we do, obviously, customers one choice and flexibility what they do. And to your point as we evolved warm or as a service, no specific product and product brands and logos on probably the way of the future. It's the services. It's the experience that you provide in regards to how we do that. So if you think about me, you know, in in infrastructure making infrastructure as a service, you really want to define what that customer experiences. That s L. A. That they're trying toe realize. And then how do we make sure that we build the right solutions? Products feature functions to enable that a law that goes back to the core engineering stuff that we need to dio right now, a lot of that stuff is about making sure that we have the right things around. If it's around developer community. If it's around AP rich, it's around. SdK is it's all about how do we leverage if it's internal source or external open source, if you will. It's regards to How do we do that? No. A thing that I think we all you know what you're well aware but we ought to keep in mind is that the cloud native applications are really relevant. Toe both the on premises, wealthy off premise. So think about things around portability reusability. You know, those are some great examples of just kind of how we think about this as we go forward. But those modern applications were required modern infrastructure, and regardless of how that infrastructure is abstracted now, just think about things like this. Aggregation or compose ability or Internet based computing. It's just it's a huge trend that we have to make sure we're thinking of. So is we. We just aggregate between the physical layers to the software layers and how we provide that to a service that could be think of a modern container based asset that could be repurposed. Either could be on a purpose built thing. It could be deployed in a converge or hyper converged. Or it could be two points a software feature in a cloud. Now, that's really how we're thinking about that, regards that we go forward. So we're talking about building modern assets or components That could be you right once we used many type model, and we can deploy that wherever you want because of some of the abstraction of desegregation that we're gonna do. >>E could see customers in the in the near term saying, I don't care so much about the product. I want the fast one all right with the cheaper one e. >>It's kind of what you talking about, that I talked about the ways. If you think about that regards, you know, maybe it's on a specific brand or portfolio. You look into and you say, Hey, what's the service level that I'd wanted to your point like Hey, for compute or for storage, it's really gonna end up being the specific S l A. And that's around performance or Leighton see, or cost or resiliency they want. They want that experience in that that you know, And that's why they're gonna be looking for the end of the end state. That's what we have to deliver is an engineering. >>So there's an opportunity here for you guys that I wonder if you could comment on. And that's the storage admin E. M. C essentially created. You know, you get this army of people that you know pretty good of provisioning lungs, although that's not really that's a great career path for folks. But program ability is, and this notion of infrastructure is code as you as you make your systems more programmable. Is there a skill set opportunity to take that army of constituents that you guys helped train and grow and over their careers and bring them along into sort of the next decade? This new era? >>I think the the easy answer is yes, I obviously that's a hard thing to do and you go forward. But I think embracing the change in the evolution of change, I think is a great opportunity. And I think there is e mean if you look step back and you think about data management, right? And you think about all the you know all data is not created equal and you know, and it has a life cycle, if you will. And so if it's on edge to Korda, Cloward, depending think about data vaults and data mobility and all that stuff. There's gonna be a bunch of different personas and people touching data along the way. I think the I T advance and the storage admin. They're just one of those personas that we have to help serve and way talk about How do we make them heroes, if you will, in regards to their broader environment. So if they're providing, if they evolve and really helped provide a modern infrastructure that really enables, you know infrastructure is a code or infrastructure as a service, they become a nightie hero, if you will for the rest of team. So I think there's a huge opportunity for them to evolve as the technology evolves. >>Yeah, you talked about you know, your families, your employees, your team s o. You obviously focused on them. You got your products going hitting all the marks. How are you spending your time these days? >>Thes days right now? Well, we're in. We're in our cycle for fiscal 22 planning. Right? And right now, a lot of that's above the specific markets were serving. It's gonna be about the strategy and making sure that we have people focused on those things. So it really comes back to some of the strategy tents were driving for next year. Now, as I said, our focus big time. Well, I guess for the for this year is one is consolidation of the core markets. Major focus for May 2 is going to be around winning in storage, and I want to be very specific. It's winning midrange storage. And that was one of the big reasons why Power Store came. That's gonna be a big focus on Bennett's really making sure that we're delivering on the as a service stuff that we just talked about in regards to all the technology innovation that's required to really provide the customer experience. And then, lastly, it's making sure that we take advantage of some of these growth factors. So you're going to see a dentist. Probably talked a lot about Telco, but telco on edge and as a service and cloud those things, they're just gonna be key to everything I do. So if you think about from poor infrastructure to some of these emerging opportunities Z, I'm spending all my time. >>Well, it's a It's a big business and a really important one for Fidel. Jeff Boudreau. Thanks so much for coming back in the Cube. Really a pleasure seeing you. I hope we can see each other face to face soon. >>You too. Thank you for having me. >>You're very welcome. And thank you for watching everybody keep it right there. This is Dave Volonte for the Cube. 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>>from around the globe. It's the Cube with digital coverage of Dell Technologies. World Digital Experience Brought to you by Dell Technologies. Welcome back to the cubes. Continuing coverage of Dell Technology World del Tech, World 2020. Jeff Clark is here. He is the chief operating officer and vice chairman of Dell Technologies. Jeff, awesome to see you. Thanks for coming on. >>Thanks for having me today. Appreciate it. >>Yeah, you're very welcome. When my first question is, when do you have time to be vice chairman? Well, >>you know, in today's world, it's pretty hectic. We're all working around the clock. If there's anything about the new norm, there are no boundaries. And unless you establish some boundaries so I've been able to find a rhythm that works for me personally, but also allows me to look after the company and, uh, kind of keep things moving and making progress of Dell. So pretty exciting times. It's certainly been a challenge finding new ways to break through new ways to get things done. But our team has done a great job rising to the occasion. >>Well, you know, a Z. You know, I didn't know you that well prior to you taking over the whole enchilada and do it going back into the enterprise. I mean, I knew you were obviously, but you have been able to see you know, how you operate in the decision making on how you rally the troops. Your several years now into the new Dell, you had to do a lot of tactical things, you know, including product portfolio rationalizations. But I wanted to start with the macro picture in a particular Can you share some of the acceleration points and the levers that you're really pulling in the operation? >>Well, clearly, if you look back at the company's strategy and I'll start there and then kind of build on from that platform if you think about the first tenet of our strategy is to win in the consolidation in our court marketplaces. So the core commercial PC market, the course server market in the course storage market, and clearly what we've been able to do and certainly been at this now for Gosh, I think it's three years now that we've been turning over the portfolio and modernizing the portfolio on the I s g side and to the point you referenced earlier. We've now modernized that portfolio. It is now under all the power brand and now represents new, fresh modern architecture er modern products that allows us to be competitive going forward across the entire eyes. T portfolio. We've had continued success on the commercial PC side. Then if you think about the next tenant of our strategy, which is to really build deeply integrated solutions across the Dell Technologies portfolio, we've made a lot of progress in the last handful of years, particularly integrating this new competitiveness of our I S G portfolio with the M R. And we're now beginning to see the fruits of that labor PC side will quickly. You've seen that with unified workspace work workspace one are leading services and are leading PC products to be able to bring a different change experience for end users on the PC side on the side. This all started with getting again this competitive portfolio. It started with Dell Technology Cloud a little over a year ago. It now is in joint collaboration around the edge. You've heard from my comments during the keynote around five g going forward. So as we think about this new modern world playing out. We now have the infrastructure competitive. We have a great asset and capability with VM, are now have figured out how to tightly integrate those and innovate on top of those platforms. And we think that's sort of the success for the future as we move forward. >>So it sounds like I mean, covitz change so many things, but it doesn't sound like it's materially changed your thinking on these leverage points or your strategy is gonna pre cove in Post Cove. It you kind of sort of approaching the same playbook, if you will. >>Well, a covert in many levels. While it's had a huge impact on many lives around the world, which we shouldn't, that should not be lost on any of us and the impact that it's had across many businesses and many parts of the world. If you step back and what I try to mention the keynote, what cove it has done is really accelerate digital transformation. I've heard many characterizations, but the way I tend to look at it is if you think of what's happened around us and the forcing of working remote learning remote the world as we look at it going forward, data driven. It's accelerated 10 years of what I thought would take us to get done into the first half of this decade. In many cases the first three years, Uh, this nomenclature that I've talk about is the future is now, and what it's really done is actually reinforced. The points that we thought were going toe happen brought them sooner and has made us believe mawr double down, if you will, that the path we're on is the right path, and we see our customers migrating that way rapidly. In fact, what's interesting? If you look at customers who embrace digital transformation earlier, we call them digital leaders. They're actually breaking away from the pack, sort of speak from their peer set and driving differentiated performance in their sector. We think that's a great, obviously proof point of digital transformation. But what all companies will have to go through to compete >>Well, it's interesting we saw early on in the US locked down worldwide, locked down you have you have such a broad portfolio that yeah, maybe some parts of the portfolio or, you know, directly negatively affected. Certainly. For instance, your you know your airline customers or your hospitality customers, etcetera. But the work from home was was a tailwind for you guys. So the fact that you have that broad portfolio somewhat, you know, one part of the business that cushioned you, maybe the other part of the business, You felt that. But on balance, you're able to get through that, and part of that was your supply chain. And some of your competitors struggled, you know, for instance, with laptop supplies. But you guys really have done a good job, sort of navigating through that, almost like you've been through it before. But nobody's been through this before. >>No, you know, David, thanks for recognizing it. One of the benefits of the Indian portfolio we have, which no one else has. The Indian portfolio that we do. We're able to weather the storm of different impacts to whether it's sectors, whether it's different parts of the business. And we've been able to do that on our our supply chain has performed well. It's been unbelievably resilient. We think it's appointed differentiation over us against anyone else in the marketplace. You couple that with our global service footprint, the two of them working together we designated those capabilities is essential. Very early in the pandemic, we protected our team members and we were able to serve our customers and a pretty non disruptive way. Now, behind the scenes are teams were doing all sorts of things to bring, uh, that continuity supply and those expectations we sent to our customers to the forefront. But I couldn't be more pleased at how we responded, and it set us up to where things were going to go. When we think about the future and migrating tomb or integrated solutions, I suspect we may talk about as a service and the capabilities needed with that services in the supply chain play a key role. >>I guess so much to talk to you about. What? I wanna come back to digital transformation For a minute. I was talking to the C i o the other day and I asked him what was the digital transformation mean to you? He said, David, I got a 15 year old s a P system. Digital transformation means to me I My business has changed in the last 15 years, but my s a P system Hasn't I gotta bring it up to speed. I have to modernize. So there's a spectrum. On the other hand, if if you're not digital today and you're, say, a restaurant, you can't do business. So what does that spectrum look like of digital transformation to you and your customers? >>Well, I think your examples were very good. I mean, our industries as a long reputation of overhyping, different constructs. The fact is, the world is rapidly digitizing. It's undeniable. If you look at the cost of a sensor and how those sensors air now being placed in everything, all of the data that's being collected as a result, That's certainly the forefront of what's happening. And every business has to deal with that. You mean you can't We talked about hospitality. You got hotel rooms that have sensors in them for lights, for water, for a temperature. You think about what's happening in the finance sector in the amount of data that's being created on the edge of that has to be processed on the edge. You think about smart factory smart hospitals in the amount of technology that's going in to bring those new areas to the forefront. So in my mind. Digital transformation is catching up with where the world's going. We know the world is going from an analog world to a digital world, and as that acceleration, mhm goes faster and faster and faster, which I absolutely we absolutely believe this happening. Companies have to change the business. They have to change their models. They have to figure out how to take all of this data and turn data into information to drive better business outcomes. We tend to get into this digital transformation and everyone to talk about this piece of gear, this piece of gear, this piece of gear. I actually don't spend any time on that. It's where customers are going. What are they doing to really instrument, if you will, the digital world they're going to participate in and have to figure out how to overcome the obstacles and barriers with that to compete in their particular sectors. That's where we come in. We help them help them with certainly the gear part of it, but more importantly, the solution orientation to bring better business outcomes to them, to help them get to where they want to go. Does that help? >>Yes, and it does, and it sort of leads me to the hybrid cloud multi cloud. To me, it's edges all part of that and it's critical for your customers. Digital transformations. I mean, what I mean by that is creating a trusted operating environment across whatever platform you're on, whether you're on Prem when you're in a public cloud, whether you're at the edge, so multi cloud is part of that. You know, I used to think a lot of this stuff was aspirational. It seems to becoming more and more really. Where do you see your customers in that maturity cycle? >>Well, I love the way you described it. What we see is the notion of Cloud is much broader than perhaps we would have talked about earlier on when I got this job was the public cloud. No, there's Public Cloud. There's private clouds, and clearly the edge is going to be a cloud operating a model. In fact, we see the world of five G edge and cloud, those three circles intersecting toe high degree. So we're gonna bring a cloud operating model to the edge. We're gonna bring new advanced connectivity data driven connective ity to this edge where all of this instrumentation and all of this data is going to be created that will have toe have real time analytics done, uh, at the edge we think, is this opportunity to really step back and go well. Those cloud things can't be separate. They have to be a set of systems. In fact, it has to become an integrated system. And we think that integrated system has to be able to move data, be able to consistently manage, consistently orchestrate and consistently Dr Operations across those three cloud environments, I think we have gone. Probably the best characterization is early innings. We're certainly not in the first inning. We're not in the ninth inning, but we're certainly into the ballgame here of helping customers orchestrate a multi cloud hybrid cloud environment. If you think about what we've done with VM wars enablement or interaction with the public domains, the work that we've done from our private area, we have accomplished a lot in a short period of time, I'd also tell you there's a fair amount of work in front of us as this spends very quickly and the edge of balls we have to connect those worlds and not leave the edge out on an island by itself. We have to bring it together. We're bringing into the public and private cloud domains that we have today, >>and I definitely wanna hit on as a service. But since we're on this topic, I wanna I wanna talk about five G and Telco a little bit. Let me just spiel for a bit and then you can respond. So I mean, this seems to be a lot of confusion around five G. There's very high expectations. There's there's a there's a lot of talk, but if it's hard toe sort of identify the true impact, that's that's tangible today, anyway. And then you got the telecom telco transformation going on. We've been We've been hearing this for a long, long time. Meanwhile, you got the over over the top providers. They're living off the infrastructure. The telcos price per bit is declining, but the usage is exploding. And so what do you make of all this? You know, the telcos air reinventing themselves. Five g is a part of that consumers Airway waiting for that. There's a lot of, you know, mixed marketing messages going on. What's your take on this and what's tells role? >>Well, look, I I tend to try to break it down into things. At least I can understand. If I look at five G is the next generation Cellular, which I believe it's far more than that. I mean, I think it's the next data fabric for the data era. I think it's going to be this intersection, as I mentioned moments ago of five g Cloud and Edge, all coming together. But I think about it from the infrastructure side that you describe. What we have is the first opportunity to bring a cloud environment to the telco space that hasn't happened before. And I think a cloud environment needs to be implemented because I think there are cost pressures in that sector, and this is going to be a way to become more competitive and to bring out new technologies and services much faster. So now if you bring a cloud operating model to this which I believe five g enables, there is now the opportunity to bring, I think, um, or standard based infrastructure rather than the proprietary ones. In the past, we now can bring a industry standard set of architectures was softer to find layers in the stack. And for the first time in the telcos space, you have the ran going through significant transformation. And on my mind, Iran is one of the significant control points in the telco or five g stack, and that is going to be more open. And then we have to think of five. G is just more than a cellular network. I mean, we're gonna have private private five G. So to the degree that it displaces why, if I will be interesting to see and unfold. But there's a huge opportunity now. Is those sensors that I talked about in the digitization of hospitals and factories and cities, all interconnected by a bunch of private five G networks, all working in an interactive combined system way. I think it just lends itself to a solutions orientation, a standardization orientation, a cloud model, and that's sort of what we do. So I get excited. All of what I just said or alluded to is not solved to your point. You've been hearing this discussion for some time, but the opportunity is large for us. It's one of the single biggest largest opportune, single biggest opportunity that we see for Delon View more and we're going to pursue it together. And we think we can take our at scale technologies that we brought to the Enterprise Data Center and bring those to the telco providers in the private five g build out. >>It's amazing, Jeff, when you think about the when you and I started in this business and how far we've come, it's It's just just mind boggling, isn't it? It >>really is. We've been at this a while and things have changed. But again, it's been on this consistent technology curve, this consistent standardization curve, and it's now applying to new sectors >>I want to end with as a service. You mentioned that before and and so you've got actually really growing business in subscriptions? Uh, you got a lot of options for customers, which is good, but sometimes it's confusing. What's the strategy around as a service? What can we expect there? >>Well, one of the things that we've done and you're right, we've made a lot of progress. We launched L Technology on demand last year. We have 2000 plus customers of $1.3 billion revenue run rate, it's growing at 30% so we're pleased. But at the same time, all the data suggest customers we're gonna want to deploy even at a greater rate. So I think I made reference during our keynote. Today, about 75% of the world's data is gonna be created outside of the data center, 75% off the edge. Build out is going to be done as a service, as is half of the infrastructure. So we think we need to take this to the proverbial next level. We announced Project Apex, Project Apex for us to take all of the properties that we have across the company, all of the different activities and to unify them a single effort for as a service model for the Dell company going forward for our entire portfolio. We think the timing is right. We think we have to be able to, if you will project APEC should be translated as the easy button for our customers. It's a way to make things simpler. It's a way to give them the choice they need to drive consistency in the operating model, and that's the path Ron, we're pretty excited about this unification, if you will. Galvanizing across the entire organization with Project Apex. >>Awesome. Listen, I know you're super busy. Appreciate all the time you've given us your You're a fun executive toe. Hang around with a mission, man. I wish we were together, but hopefully, hopefully sometime soon we can We could see each other face to face. >>I would like that very much. I missed the interactions themselves. I appreciate the time today. Thank you, Dave. >>All right, We'll see you, Jeff. Thanks again. All right. Thank you for watching everybody. Keep it right there. We're back with our next guest. It del Technology World 2020. You're watching the Cube.

>> Narrator: From around the globe, it's The Cube, with digital coverage of Dell technologies world digital experience brought to you by Dell technologies. >> Welcome back to The Cube's continuing coverage of Dell technology world. Dell tech world 2020, Jeff Clark is here. He's the chief operating officer and vice chairman of Dell technologies. Jeff, awesome to see you. Thanks for coming on. >> Thanks for having me today, I appreciate it. >> Yeah, you're very welcome. Well, my first question is when do you have time to be vice chairman? >> Well, you know, in today's world, it's pretty hectic. We're all working around the clock. If there's anything about the new norm, there are no boundaries unless you establish some boundaries. So I've been able to find a rhythm that works for me personally but also allows me to look after the company and kind of keep things moving and making progress at Dell. So pretty exciting times, it's certainly been a challenge, finding new ways to break through, new ways to get things done, but our team has done a great job rising to the occasion. >> Well, you know as you know, I didn't know you that well prior to you taking over the whole enchilada and going back into the enterprise. I mean, I knew who you were obviously but you know, been able to see how you operate and the decision making and how you rally the troops. You're several years now, into the new deal. You had to do a lot of tactical things you know, including product portfolio rationalizations but I wanted to start with the macro picture. And in particular, can you share some of the acceleration points and the leavers that you're really pulling in the operation? >> Well, clearly if you look back at the company strategy and I'll start there and then kind of build on from that platform, if you think about the first tenant of our strategy is to win in the consolidation in our core marketplaces. So the core commercial PC market, the core server market and the core storage market, and clearly what we've been able to do, and certainly been at this now for, gosh, I think it's three years now that we've been turning over the portfolio and modernizing the portfolio on the ISG side. And to the point you referenced earlier we've now modernized that portfolio. It is now under all of the power brand it now represents new fresh, modern architecture, modern products that allows us to be competitive going forward across the entire ISG portfolio. We've had continued success on the commercial PC side. Then if you think about the next tenant of our strategy which is to really build deeply integrated solutions across the Dell technologies portfolio we've made a lot of progress in the last handful of years particularly integrating this new competitiveness of our ISG portfolio with VMware. And we're now beginning to see the fruits of that labor PC side real quickly. You've seen that with unified workspace, workspace one are leading services and are leading PC products to be able to bring a differentiated experience for end users on the PC side. On the ISG side, this all started with getting again, this competitive portfolio, it started with Dell technology cloud a little over a year ago, it now is in joint collaboration around the Edge. You've heard from my comments during the keynote around 5G going forward. So as we think about this new modern world playing out, we now have the infrastructure competitive. We have a great asset and capability with VMware or it now have figured out how to tightly integrate those and innovate on top of those platforms. And we think that's sort of the success for the future as we move forward. >> So it sounds like, I mean, COVID changed so many things, but it doesn't sound like it's materially changed your thinking on these leverage points or your strategy is going to pre COVID, post COVID. You kind of sort of approaching the same playbook if you will. >> Well, COVID many levels, well, it's had a huge impact on many lives around the world which that should not be lost on any of us and the impact that it's had across many businesses and in many parts of the world if you step back and what I try to mention the keynote, what COVID has done is really accelerate digital transformation. I've heard many characterizations but the way I tend to look at it is if you think of what's happened around us and the forcing of working remote, learning remote, the world, as we look at it, going forward, data driven, it's accelerated 10 years of what I thought would take us to get done into the first half of this decade in many cases, the first three years. This nomenclature that I talk about is the future is now. And what it's really done is actually reinforced the points that we thought were going to happen, brought them sooner, and has made us believe more doubled down if you will, that the path we were on is the right path. And we see our customers migrating that way rapidly. In fact, what's interesting, if you look at customers who embraced digital transformation earlier, we call them digital leaders. They are actually breaking away from the pack, so to speak from their peer set and driving differentiated performance in their sector, we think that's a great obviously proof point of digital transformation, but what all companies will have to go through to compete. >> Well, it's interesting. We saw early on in the US lockdown, worldwide lockdown, you have such a broad portfolio that yeah maybe some parts of the portfolio were, you know, directly negatively affected, certainly for instance, you know, your airline customers or your hospitality customers, et cetera. But the work from home was a tailwind for you guys. So the fact that you have that broad portfolio, somewhat, you know, one part of the business that cushioned you maybe the other part of the business, you felt it but on balance, you're able to get through that. And part of that was your supply chain. And some of your competitors struggled you know, for instance, with laptop supplies but you guys really have done a good job sort of navigating through that. Almost like you'd been through it before, but nobody's been through this before. >> No, you know, Dave, thanks for recognizing that one of the benefits of the end to end portfolio we have which no one else has the Indian portfolio that we do, we're able to weather the storm of different impacts to whether it's sectors, whether it's different parts of the business and we've been able to do that. And our supply chain has performed well. It's been unbelievably resilient. We think it's a pointed differentiation over us against anyone else in the marketplace. You couple that with our global service footprint, the two of them working together, we designated those capabilities as essential, very early in the pandemic, we protected our team members and we were able to serve our customers in a pretty non-disruptive way. Now behind the scenes, our teams were doing all sorts of things to bring that continuity of supply and those expectations we set to our customers to the forefront but I couldn't be more pleased at how we responded and it set us up to where things are going to go. When we think about the future and migrating to more integrated solutions, I suspect we may talk about as a service and the capabilities needed but that services in the supply chain play a key role. >> Yeah, I got so much to talk to you about, but I want to come back to digital transformation for a minute. I was talking to the CIO the other day and I asked them what was digital transformation mean to you? He said, "Dave, I got a 15 year old SAP system, Digital transformation means to me, my business has changed in the last 15 years but my SAP system hasn't, I got to bring it up to speed. I have to modernize." So there's a spectrum, on the other hand, if you're not digital today and you're say a restaurant, you can't do business. So what does that spectrum look like of digital transformation to you and your customers? >> Well, I think your examples were very good. I mean, our industries, has a long reputation of over hyping different constructs, the fact is the world is rapidly digitizing. It's undeniable. If you look at the cost of a sensor and how those sensors are now being placed in everything, in all of the data that's being collected as a result, that's certainly the forefront of what's happening and every business has to deal with it. You can't, I mean, we talked about hospitality, you got hotel rooms that have sensors in them, for lights, for water, for temperature. You think about what's happening in the finance sector and the amount of data that's being created on the edge that has to be processed on the edge. You think about smart factory, smart hospitals, and the amount of technology that's going in to bring those new areas to the forefront. So in my mind, digital transformation is catching up with where the world's going. We know the world is going from an analog world to a digital world. And as that acceleration goes faster and faster and faster which I absolutely, we absolutely believe is happening, companies have to change the business, they have to change their models, they have to figure out, how to take all of this data and turn data into information to drive better business outcomes. We tend to get into this digital transformation and every wants to talk about this piece of gear, or this piece of gear or this piece of gear. I actually don't spend any time on that. It's where customers are going, what are they doing to really instrument if you will, the digital world they're going to participate in and have to figure out how to overcome the obstacles and barriers with that to compete in their particular sectors. That's where we come in, we help them, help them with certainly the gear part of it, but more importantly the solution orientation to bring better business outcomes to them, to help them get to where they want to go. Does that help? >> Yes and it does. And it sort of leads me to the hybrid cloud, multi-cloud, to me, it's the edge is all part of that. And it's critical for your customers, digital transformation. What I mean by that is creating a trusted operating environment across whatever platform you're on, whether you're on prem, whether you're in a public cloud, whether you're at the edge. So multicloud is part of that. You know, I used to think a lot of this stuff was aspirational. It seems to becoming more and more real. Where do you see your customers in that maturity cycle? >> Well, I love the way you described it. What we see is the notion of cloud is much broader than perhaps we would have talked about early on, when I got this job was the public cloud. Now there's public cloud, there's private clouds and clearly The Edge is going to be a cloud operating model. In fact, we see the world of 5G, edge and cloud, those three circles intersecting to a high degree. So we're going to bring a cloud operating model to The Edge. We're going to bring new advanced connectivity, data-driven connectivity, to this edge where all of this instrumentation and all of this data is going to be created. That we'll have to have real time analytics done at the edge. We think is this opportunity to really step back and go, well, those cloud things can't be separate. They have to be a set of systems. In fact, it has to be done in an integrated system. And we think that integrated system has to be able to move data, be able to consistently manage, consistently orchestrated and consistently drive operations across those three cloud environments. I think we have gone probably the best characterization is early innings. We're certainly not in the first ending. We're not in the ninth inning but we're certainly into the ballgame here of helping customers orchestrate a multicloud hybrid cloud environment. If you think about what we've done with VMware's enablement or interaction with the public domain, the work that we've done from our private area, we have accomplished a lot in a short period of time. I'd also tell you there's a fair amount of work in front of us, as this spins very quickly and the edge of evolves, we have to connect those worlds and not leave the edge out on an island by itself. We have to bring it together or bringing into the public and private cloud domains that we have today. >> And I definitely want to hit on, as a service, but since we're on this topic, I want to, talk about 5G and telco a little bit. Let me just spiel for a bit, and then you can respond. So, I mean, there seems to be a lot of confusion around 5G, there's very high expectations. There's a lot of talk, but if it's hard to sort of identify the true impact that's tangible today anyway and then you got the telco transformation going on, and we've been hearing this for a long, long time. Meanwhile, you've got over the top providers they're living off the infrastructure of the telcos, price per bid is declining, but the usage is exploding. And so what do you make of all this? You know, that the telcos are reinventing themselves. 5G is a part of that. Consumers are waiting for that. There's a lot of, you know, mixed marketing messages going on. What's your take on this and what's Dell's role? >> Well, look, I tend to try to break it down into things at least I can understand. If I look at 5G as the next generation cellular which I believe it's far more than that. I mean, I think it's the next data fabric for the data era. I think it's going to be this intersection as I mentioned moments ago of 5G cloud and edge all coming together. But you think about it from the infrastructure side that you described. What we have is the first opportunity to bring a cloud environment to the telco space that hasn't happened before. And I think a cloud environment needs to be implemented because I think there are cost pressures in that sector. And this is going to be a way to become more competitive and to bring out new technologies and services much faster. So now if you bring a cloud operating model to this, which I believe 5G enables, there's now the opportunity to bring I think, a more standard based infrastructure rather than proprietary ones of the past. We now can bring a industry standard set of architectures with software defined layers in the stack. And for the first time in the telco space you have the RAN going through significant transformation. And on my mind the RAN is one of the significant control points in the telco or 5G stack. And that is going to be more opened. And then we have to think of 5G is just more than a cellular network. I mean, we're going to have private 5G. So to the degree that it displaces wifi will be interesting to see an unfold but there's a huge opportunity. Now, as those sensors that I talked about in the digitization of hospitals, in factories, in cities, all interconnected by a bunch of private 5G networks all working in an interactive and combined system way, I think it just lends itself to a solutions orientation, a standardizations orientation, a cloud model, and that's sort of what we do. So I get excited all in what I just said or alluded to is not solved to your point. You've been hearing this discussion for some time, but the opportunity is large for us. It's one of the single biggest opportunity that we see for Dell and VMware, and we're going to pursue it together. And we think we can take our at scale technologies that we brought to the enterprise data center and bring those to the telco providers and the private 5G build out. >> Yeah, it's amazing Jeff, when you think about the, when you and I started in this business and how far we've come, but it's just it's mind boggling, isn't it? (laughing) >> It really is. We've been at this a while and things have changed but again, it's been on this consistent technology curve, this consistent standardization curve and it's now applying to new sectors. >> I want to end with, as a service. You mentioned that before. And so you've got actually a really growing business in subscriptions. You got a lot of options for customers which is good, but sometimes it's confusing. What's the strategy around as a service? What can we expect there? >> Well, one of the things that we've done and you're right we've made a lot of progress. We launched Dell technology on demand last year, we have 2000 plus customers at $1.3 billion revenue run rate. It's growing at 30%. So we're pleased but at the same time, all the data suggests customers are going to want to deploy even at a greater rate. So I think I made reference during our keynote today about 75% of the world's data is going to be created outside of the data center, 75% of the edge build out is going to be done as a service as this half of the infrastructure. So we think we need to take this to the proverbial next level. We announced project APEC, project APEC for us to take all of the properties that we have across the company, all of the different activities and to unified them, a single effort for as a service model for the Dell company going forward, for our entire portfolio, we think the timing's right. We think we have to be able to if you will, project APEC should be translated as the easy button for our customers. It's a way to make things simpler. It's a way to give them the choice they need to drive consistency in the operating model. And that's the path we're on. We're pretty excited about this unification, if you will galvanizing across the entire organization with project APEC. >> Awesome, listen, I know you're super busy. I appreciate all the time you've given us, you're a fun executive to hang around with a mission man. I wish we were together, but hopefully sometime soon we can see each other face to face. >> I would like that very much. I miss the interactions themselves. I appreciate the time of day. Thank you Dave. >> All right we'll see you Jeff, thanks again. All right, Thank you for watching everybody. Keep it right there, will be back with our next guest at Dell technology world 2020. You're watching The Cube. (lighthearted music)

>> Narrator: From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage VMworld 2020. Brought to you by the VMware and its ecosystem partners. >> Everyone, welcome to "theCUBE's" virtual coverage of VMworld 2020. I'm John furrier with my cohosts, Stuart Miniman and Dave Vellante. 10 years covering VM it's our 11th Vmworld, 2010 was our first. Guys, this is an unusual event. It's not in person. Analyzing the keynotes and essentially the main announcements in the general sessions. Let's analyze VMworld 2020. I know it's hard, we're not in person. A lot of the hallway conversations we're grabbing on Twitter. Obviously we've got our Cube interviews on "theCube".net. There's a link on the front page of the VMworld site. Check it out and go check out all the dozens of interviews we're doing here with our community. But, the event is "Digital Foundation "For An Unpredictable World," that's the theme. Most of the announcements are around future architecture, but the blocking and tackling is around AI With NVIDIA. You got security and you got some really key announcements around networking Stuart. So guys, what's your take on all this? Because, VMware has to set the table. They've made good moves under Gelsinger, last few years, you're seeing another Q2 successful quarter, Dave, you're starting to see VMware's investments pay off Raghu and the brain child who are behind VMware making these calls Stuart. Guys, this is the VMware's moment to go to the next level. What's your thoughts, Dave, we'll start with you. >> Well, I mean, as always you saw VMware have on stage some really high profile guests. So John Donahoe from Nike, who knows a little bit about the enterprise, right? He left ServiceNow after a couple of years, stint. Ironically ServiceNow is pushing a hundred billion dollar valuation. Nike's at 150. But he's more comfortable in the consumer world. CEO of Nvidia. I think that's a key move, Nvidia the arm acquisition. That's going to be critical at the edge. You're seeing VMware just throw its blanket around telco Edge cloud with VMware cloud and AWS, which is doing very well. We're going to talk about that in our cube segment. You're, seeing them really go after hybrid. And so they're really about expanding their marketplace and they've done a great job of that. For translating engineering into customer value and getting paid for it. >> I want to come back to you Dave, on this edge because some of the key trends that I think we've been on now that the whole world is kind of realizing that they're kind of going mainstream. One's been the edge and you mentioned ARM, and we got analysis on that. Stuart, cloud native, we've been banging on the cloud native drone. We've been riding that wave, now with the Snowflake IPO just happened earlier, you starting to see cloud native, everything is coming true. It's kind of evolving in front of us right now and the whole world is now on board with this new mega trend enterprise computing companies, the largest IPO, since we enrolled, actually if you look at Snowflake, so you start to see cloud native and Enterprise Technology as the next wave, this is huge. And VMware is a big part of it. Your thoughts from how they did the show. >> Yeah, so John, one of the questions we always ask is, how fast are customers moving? Are the vendors moving along with them? Our friend and often co-hosts in "theCube" Keith Townsend said, and it was kind of faint praise. "VMware has moved at the speed of the CIO." Dave, I've heard you so many times this year say that the impact of the pandemic, that the financial ramifications has been an accelerator for many of the transformational journeys that we've been talking about. Move to cloud much faster adopting cloud native faster. Companies that have gone through their digital transformation, are able to react much faster. And to be honest, I'm not sure that VMware's moving fast enough. We've seen them do a number of big acquisitions over the last few years. Some of them are doing great. Carbon Black, great to see them go deeper into the security space. We've talked a lot about that before. Some of the others, Pivotal came out of VMware and got pulled back in. Datrium was a recent acquisition. What we hear inside is, some of those groups and product lines have been trimmed back. So as companies are looking to move faster, they're looking to AWS is that bar. And while AWS is a big partner for VMware and very important, how many people will get to VMware on AWS and say, well, maybe I can scale back what my VMware state is, or maybe those some environments. So, we've said for the longest time, cloud is a double edged sword for many players you need to partner as closely as you can to keep that momentum going forward. But VMware is also getting cut by some of those deals. Boy, John, there was a big news a couple of weeks before the show here about how the VMware cloud on AWS, it's doing great. And if it's a big deal, the channel often gets cut out of it and Amazon's taking it. So there definitely are some things that put up a little bit warning lights for me as to who is winning, when it comes to the partnership. >> That's a great point, the ecosystem in VMware, out of 10 years we've been covering here, this is our 11th year with ""theCube"," we've always had that ecosystems evolving. And I think cloud native to me really sees how that's driving them with cloud. We saw that, serverless, you starting to see cloud native. And what cloud proved Dave was that developers really shouldn't care about the infrastructure being abstracted away. But now you look at multiple clouds, with VMware's now moving into having a multicloud kind of backbone, connected to these environments as a key strategy. But then you look at the edge. The edge is about purpose built devices, run with software and data. So whether it's at an office on a person or in space, you have these devices that is really not about the hardware, it's about the software running on them. They have to run into multiple environments. They are purpose built. They do have to run like cloud native. The edge is the next opportunity for VMware with multicloud. What's your thoughts and reaction to that? >> Well, I think there's no question. And again, the relevance of Nvidia on stage, we think that ARM and Nvidia are going to dominate AI inferencing at the edge real time, and you're going to need much more efficient processing at the edge than you're going to get with traditional x86 architectures. So today what we're seeing is a lot of companies, Dell, HPE included a throwing over x86 boxes to the edge. I think they clearly realized that ARM is going to be a player there and now with the Nvidia move. And I think, multicloud is really something that is starting to become real. I've often said multi-cloud has been more of a symptom of multi-vendor than an actual strategy. Well, that's changing. I think people don't want lock-in. I think they realize that they've got the right horse for the right course, and you're seeing Red Hat and VMware emerge as real leaders there. You're seeing it in the data, you're seeing VMware cloud on AWS. Okay, that's in AWS, but you're also seeing VMware Cloud Foundation and it's other VMware cloud capabilities emerging as in demand, a lot of spending velocity, a lot of interest gaining share. And so these are becoming real and they're becoming fundamental strategies as to your points Stuart, CIO's are catching up. And it's, actually becoming not just slideware, but real aware. >> Well, I'll debate that whole idea that CIO's are catching up, but I'd say CSOs already caught up. CIO's are catching up to the CSO, but this brings up the question Stuart, of what a modern app is. And this is one of the highlights of the show, modern applications, and feels a lot like kind of window dressing to the cloud native conversation because Tanzu is built into it but cloud native really is. This is where the modern apps are being built. And it's about security, it's about multiple clouds. So the question for you is, are we going to have a cloudless architecture? Because we've got serverless. Because if you think about modern apps, should you really care about which cloud it runs on? I'm sure Andy Jassy would be saying he does care. And you see Google almost shying away from having that conversation. But, Tanzu kind of speaks to a cloudless strategy. Is that something you see? >> John you're absolutely right. The goal we want is... Developers don't even want to think about the infrastructure at all. So cloudless serverless, storageless, it would all be wonderful if they didn't have to do that. Now, of course, data is the lifeblood of my business. We need to make sure that things are secure all the time. Serverless is wonderful and there's even some early connections that VMware and others in the traditional infrastructure space are tying to serverless environment. But if I look at VMware, John, this still isn't, where the app dev team people come, this is an infrastructure show and it needs to be an enabler for what they're doing. If you look at how Kubernetes integrates into VMware, it's, take your virtual estate and let's put containers in it and it can be managed in that environment. Or we've got some new tools we're developing and do some of that multicloud world, as opposed to the companies that are born in the cloud, or have a heavy leaning towards the cloud. This might not be attractive for them, but in many ways, it's extending what VMware has done for a long time. They've, got strong position here. And that's why John, as you've said, all the other clouds want to partner with VMware ' 'cause they've got just so many customers there that they will be... it's hybrid today it will be hybrid in the future. The public cloud is a pool, but the edge is also a pool. So that those new architectures like are starting to be put forward with project Monterey, give people a roadmap as to where they can go. And VMware absolutely is a key player in that discussion. >> Yeah, well, I want to bring this up real quick on project Monterey and then I want to get Dave's reaction too what the buyers are thinking about. 'Cause you know, we can debate the speed of the CIO and I'd love to have that debate in a separate segment. I think,COVID and the security threats are forcing the businesses to really be focused because if you not thinking about having an environment where people are working remotely and that's with COVID, and I'll see with the security vectors, if you don't have an architecture Stuart, then you're going to be screwed. So I think project Monterey feels to me as that VMware answer like, look, and you can have an end to end architecture. I think there's marketechure there's architecture, that's one thought. So let's react to that Stuart. How much of that do you see as, look at, if you want to move faster CIO, because they have to now move fast. COVID showed that and the ones that aren't are failing and it doesn't change the buyer behavior, Dave. Stuart we'll start with you Monterey. >> John I don't think we know yet. It is more marketecture I'd say you got to get into the whisper suites, have those discussions. There was not as much, pre-briefing on this. We talked for awhile, VMware on AWS, those solutions, they take two or three years to bake out. So I think Monterey is a good vision. They have some of the architectural underpinnings, but I'm not ready to say, "hey, you want to deploy that gear in 2020? "That's the blueprint that you want to use going forward," but it gets VMware a seat at the table. >> I'm a big fan of the project I think it's about time someone put a stake in the ground. So this is what a modern architecture looks like and love to debate that further, we'll do that another time, Dave buyers. Were they buying the VMware? What's your data tell you in terms of where the customers are right now in 2020, you've been doing a ton of breaking analysis on COVID fire behavior, spending patterns. How does VMware potentially its ecosystem stack up with all these focused cloud native, multicloud modern app and security and networking? >> Well, let's start with some data and I'll bring up this slide, which is this kind of wheel slide. And it's ETR data that talks to what we call net score. And essentially what it's doing is it's taking the green in this wheel, which is spending more and it's subtracting the red, which is spending less or leaving. And then you see that in the middle is 53% are flat. So they've got a net score at 29. What does that mean? That means this is a mature company, which is amazing to me that VMware continues to really outperform from a financial standpoint. Yeah, so you could see that, we subtract the red from the green. This is again a sign of a mature company, but the key is they've got to continue to invest. Now they make a lot of inorganic acquisitions and some organic acquisitions, but Dell, as we know, is using VMware's cashflow to restructure its balance sheet to go public, et cetera. So if you could bring up the next slide, if you would guys. This is a slide I like to share. And it shows in the vertical axis, spending momentum, which is net score and the horizontal axis, which is presence in the survey. It's a 1200 person survey or a respondent survey, IT buyers. Look where VMware cloud on AWS is. So while VMware has a 29%, net score, look at VMware cloud on AWS, look at VMware cloud, which is cloud foundation. And you can see Red Hat is in there with OpenShift, even OpenStack, believe it or not and telcos. And then just see the hyperscalers in the upper right. Everybody wants to be AWS or Azure, and you sort of see Google there. But the point of this is the momentum in hybrid cloud and multicloud, and VMware really is clearly in a very, very strong position there. So, back to your point about project Monterey, they're basically using this hybrid cloud notion to go everywhere. It's that TAM expansion that I love to talk about. And it's the innovation. The big question is if Dell's going to be squeezing VMware R&D, will it be able to continue to execute on that translation of engineering into product and customer value? That's going to be a challenge. We saw it decades ago, where IBM got squeezed doing stock buybacks and dividends R&D is the lifeblood of innovation. And so that's something that we have to watch very closely, I think. >> Just to one quick followup, Dave, we're talking about the financial pieces here we are in 2020, there's been the discussions and I know you've dug into it a bunch. By the time we get to VMworld 2021 will the ownership of VMware and the role that Michael Dell has, change? And will that impact that investment capability that you talked about? The cashflow just, I know you've done a lot of research on this and could it help educate our audience? >> Well, it's going to change the income statement of Dell because they won't have VMware in there anymore. It won't change VMware's cashflow. It will affect VMware and Dell's balance sheet. And so two companies, one chairman and the chairman is going to say, okay, let's rebalance the balance sheets and create an equilibrium. So Dell has less debt, VMware has more debt and we'll try to thread the needle so they're both investment grade, which will lower the interest costs on that debt. But fundamentally, I don't think it's going to change anything in terms of strategy, go to market, the close relationship was between Dell and VMware. the thing to watch is VMware's, Dell's piggyback. And so I would rather see a lot of that go... once this equilibrium is reached, I want to see that go more in R&D. You know, again, remember IBM has spent $6 billion in R&D for the past two decades IBM was right there. They could have invested in cloud the same way Amazon did. And in the same way that Microsoft did, they were kind of equal 20 years ago. And look what happened. You don't want that to happen to VMware. They must continue to spend on R&D and innovate. >> Oh, well let's get to the innovation strategy in a second, but I want to ask the ecosystem question, because if you go back in history guys, and remember when Pat Gelsinger had that year, where he was basically given the presentation of his life, and he was in the hot seat and there's a lot of rumors spinning around. Since then it's just been nothing but exceptional performance on as a company executing, all new bets have been played it's almost like he'd cleaned house, put the ship in the right direction they've been smooth sailing since strategically making all the right moves. Okay now that VMware is back on their footings and Dave they have a solid foundation, what happens to the ecosystem because now that their houses in order, what do they do with the ecosystem? How do you see it evolving? >> Well look, I mean the ecosystem is looking for alternatives. I mean they have to participate in VMware. It's part of their go to market. You remember Todd Neilson used to say, "For every dollar spend on a VMware license, "15 or 20 or $18 is spent in the ecosystem," you don't hear that type of ratio anymore. Maybe it still exists I'm sure it does because it's a very vibrant and robust ecosystem but look, let's face it. Jeff Clark and Michael Dell are very clear. We are going to do a much closer integration than EMC ever did. And look at HPE we're looking for alternatives, driving to the edge. That's a huge opportunity for people. VMware becomes the ecosystems cash cow, but they need new growth and new strategic opportunities. And so they got to play nice, but there's more green fields out there. >> Stuart multicloud and cloud native with Tansu I think this is a really big opportunity to reset the ecosystem with services, because it used to be vendors, you bolt on some data backup and recovery, and you have a bunch of people doing storage around VMware, and these big white spaces, they're kind of huge white spaces. But now, when you start getting into cloud native, is a whole new landscape developing. Your thoughts because we're seeing some activity, certainly companies that are building on top of clouds that are building on top of clouds. So you've got Snowflake builds on Amazon now, other clouds and you have companies building on Snowflake. So you're starting to see this kind of new interconnected cloud native landscape, your thoughts. >> Yeah, well John there's definitely a huge tug of war in the ecosystem. One of the things that's been really nice if you were a VMware partner, let's take data protection. Huge ecosystem companies like Veeam, that were created in that environment. Hot companies like Rubrik and Cohesity grew very much working in VMware. All of them now play natively with the cloud environments, but they also get pulled along when you do a VMware Cloud on AWS, on Azure, on Google, on Oracle. So VMware will pull some of the ecosystem with them, but that tug of war is well, if the customer decides to just go fully cloud native, that software needs to work there and you would think that the vendor actually makes more money if it's just natively there, there's not that middleman extra piece. So VMware has a slice the pie and like Microsoft or Oracle behind them, can they justify that value for the license that you're paying when I go to some of these environments. So VMware does not have the pull in the ecosystem Dave talked a bit about it. HPE, Cisco, IBM, all companies that were early, early big huge proponent of VMware now very much are investing heavily in alternative. So VMware major player but no longer the gravity that everyone orbits around. >> Dave, what do you think? >> I want to bring up another data point if I could I want to share something with you. This is a slide that talks about... It asks customers. Why would you not work with VMware? Why would you replace them? What are the reasons? And three things stand out to me, it's not around cloud on the very left alignment with Cloud they've taken care of that with the AWS deal and even now Oracle. And you look at the right hand side, you see technology lead or lag that's innovation. Look at how that gray a couple surveys ago, has gone down to the yellow. So that's off the table, not a problem with innovation, look at total cost of ownership that's gone down, in terms of concerns. The one concern is price and that stays up there. If that's your biggest challenge, that your price is too high, that says to me that VMware's ticking all the boxes of value. So they're in a really, really good position if they can continue to innovate and that's why I've been harping so much on innovation and R&D and key acquisitions they're are great acquire of companies. So, I see this as this data is very, very positive for VMware. If your price is too high and that's your big objection, all you need as good salespeople. >> Or also you'd lower the price and you shift the value to say new features, say cloud native or security. I'll see the movement they've been making with NSX Gelsinger famous quotes are things like, "Kubernetes the dial tone of the internet, "and NSX is the crown jewel security is a do over." So NSX Dave and Stuart, this been a big part of their theme every year. That's a core feature for their security play. That's where they're going to put a lot of value in there. You guys, what's your thoughts on that because you've got Cisco in going that " mh we're frenemies" that's what Sanjay Poonen says, but are they really frenemies? >> But culturally VMware is an engineering driven company they a great engineering team and they don't have dogma about these new... they don't get defensive about some new trends. They embraced Kubernetes, they finally figured out Cloud, they were sort of defensive originally, but they realized hey, and they got religion. So that's the smart thing to do, go on to the next way maybe take a little bit of heat if you've got to go through a transition, but they've done a phenomenal job of making those transitions and staying relevant >> What's the big wave guys? What's the big wave that VMware's riding? The 10 years out we're in we've seen the movie, we've been through a decade with VM world coverage Stuart Dave next 10 years, what's the big wave or waves plural? >> Well, cloud is the first one that they addressed no doubt and then they are in my mind, the leader, or certainly a leader in multicloud. Edge I think there's a big question Mark there, AI is going to be everywhere. I think security is the really interesting opportunity for VMware and it's going to be... the big battle and security is, do you go after these point products like Okta and CrowdStrike and Zscaler and SailPoint who are really doing very well right now in the market or do you want an integrated stack that can be, you good enough VMware will say it's best to breed. We'll see that is a huge opportunity for them because security just keeps getting more and more critical. We've seen that with COVID. >> Let's do final word on your thoughts on the next 10 years for VMware looking back and learn and looking forward. >> Yeah well Dave just building off what you were just saying there, we said that the mission for Pat Gelsinger was, could he do for VMware, what Indel had done for the longest time, which has expanded Tam, expand what markets to go into, but not completely tick off the ecosystem and have them run away. So you saw here at the show, I mean Dave, Zscaler is a partner there. Security absolutely is a monster opportunity and John networking, networking, right. But it should be multibillion dollar business for VMware and they can eat some of that multicloud environment. we talk specifically about SD-WAN, now that cloud's doing well. So VMware that's software across environments, hybrid cloud multicloud, they're well positioned today, they just need to move a little bit faster and make sure they don't bleed talent and continue to support their customers because Dave, you're right how many times have people said, "Microsoft too expensive. "Oracle's too expensive." Here we are in 2020, they still have pretty strong positions VMware still has a very strong position. >> Well, I'll just add, I think it just shows what happens when you have a technical visionary, like Gelsinger in the lead and you have an industry visionary of not just technical, not just financial, but industry luminary like Michael Dell. These are very powerful... VMware and Dell have extremely capable management teams and you're seeing it in action >> And you've got Sanjay Poonen who's a great executer as well, he knows how to execute, he knows technology. Guys it's been a great run. I got to say for me personally, I'm so excited that, for 10 years that we've had "theCube" and the team covering the enterprise tech space, you can't be more excited. At least I'm so excited at the number one IPO in the history of wall street is an enterprise tech company. You can't see any more proof points that enterprise technology is now with the whole end to end architecture with the edge. We're talking about space, we're talking about cybersecurity. We're having now conversations with "theCube" that is now ranging... It reminds me David of the B to C world it's almost like consumerized. Now the enterprise technology is now so important that is now taking over the appeal on wall street entrepreneurs, and to me, VMware can tap into that on this next wave and this will be huge. Your thoughts on- >> I think the Snowflake IPO tells us several things. One, I totally agree, it says the technology is the now trend, no question about it. It also really underscores the cloud and it underscores the demand for issues other than the big Apple, Amazon, Google, et cetera. But it's really interesting to see as well the street continues to reward growth. I mean, Snowflake has as a valuation higher than Workday comparable to VMware. In fact it exceeded VMware on its first day. So that says that the street is rewarding growth. It's rewarding technology, it's rewarding cloud. And so that's that to me says great opportunities for companies like VMware who have both growth, great cash flow, they're profitable and they have a huge, huge customer base. So right now things look good for tech >> Dave enterprise tech is hot, it's sexy. Don't you think? Enterprise tech these days? >> Used to be storage is sexy. Now Enterprise tech sexy. >> You guys great run great analysis again, VMworld's virtual, we didn't have the face to face. We didn't have the hang space, but we have the virtual cube. Virtualization has come to "theCube". 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>> Narrator: From the cube studios in Palo Alto in Boston, connecting with thought leaders all around the world. This is a cube conversation. >> Hi, I am Stu Miniman and welcome to this special cube conversations. We're here with Dell Technology to share the news of an update to one of their product lines. We've watched for a number of years, Dell has taken their portfolio like I said they powered them up. So, of course the servers are known for a long time PowerEdge and we've seen many of the storage products and like going through their power up and here we have is the PowerFlex. So people that are familiar with what's happening in the software defined storage and hyper-converged space will remember the VX flex, so it's powered up. Joining me to discuss this important announcement, we have Matthew Paul, who's the Senior Director of Product Management and Anthony Cinelli, who's the Senior Director of Business Development, both with Dell Technologies. Matt, let's jump right into it. PowerFlex, powering up this segment of the market, give us the importance and what the announcement is. >> Great, thank you Stu thanks for having us. Yeah, I'm really excited to announce that we're powering up our product and we're moving our VxFlex product through the new power brand and the power name, really responding to customers and our customers taking this product on and aligning it and using it to be able to... Inline with our bigger portfolio that we have at Dell EMC, delivering outcomes for our customers. So it's an exciting timeframe and it really reflects this idea of customers' adoption, in the technology and our investment as Dell Technologies in this software defined storage, to kind of signify to the market that we're here to stay and this is an exciting thing we're working through. The second part around this on top of kind of the rebrand is a new launch of PowerFlex three five So this new software and this software information is delivering some key additions to our portfolio, including a replication, including a new HDMI 5 GUI and including some really cool additions to our software management stack that customers are really been asking for. >> Excellent. So AC, in normal times you're out meeting with a lot of customers, I'm sure you're still talking to a lot of customers, even if you're in work from home mode during the pandemic, but help us understand one of the things we know that Dell has done is it is spring line the portfolio, but when you talk about storage software-defined storage, converged, hyper-converged, there's still a few different options inside the Dell family. So tell us where PowerFlex fits and how it differentiates in position, compared to some of the other pieces. >> Yeah, great question. So, I have a pretty nice role here for Dell, which is, I am responsible for our entire portfolio of converged, hyperconverged, and software defined offerings. And really what that affords me is one particular luxury when I engage with customers. And that luxury is that I can start every single customer engagement with a question. Which is, what problem are you trying to solve? And that's really important because having a portfolio at my disposal allows me to lead with that question and really focus the conversation and solution on what their business problem is and how best to solve it. Now, the things we typically listen for when it comes to Flex are things like flexibility, things like performance, things like I'm trying to solve a platform where I want to re-platform my architecture to a software-defined outcome. But I need to run a wide variety of workloads. I need to run virtual workload, I need to run physical workload, I need to run container workload, I want to consolidate all of that onto a single modern software-defined infrastructure. Or we hear workload specific things. Things like I have an incredibly high performance Oracle Database, or I have a workload. One great example of a customer was cause of COVID they had to go from 60,000 to 160,000 remote users over a weekend. They did that on Flex with zero incremental infrastructure required for the storage. All the performance, all of the horsepower was fully capable of handling that increased capacity. Another customer, curbside pickup was a great application for their business, saw a hundred X performance requirement increase essentially over the course of a weekend because of COVID. Running on flex, they were able to swallow that performance increase with no problem. So a lot of what we see when it comes to Flex and the problems we're hearing are I need a platform that has a lot of inherent flexibility, or I have a very acute workload problem, then I need something very scalable and very performant to solve. But again, my luxury is I can always ask the customer the question first and then leverage the power of our portfolio to provide the best solution to solve for their business problem. >> All right, so AC, appreciate you talked about scale and performance, two of the really big things, if you talk about what's happening in this space. Matt, maybe you can help us sequin through a little bit, as to how this differentiates compared to other solutions in the market place we saw software-defined storage, hyper-converged infrastructure run through its wave in the last few years, you've got some very large customers, big brand names globally, as well as service providers that have used Flex in the past. So explain how this is different from others out there. >> Yeah, I think when we talk about how we manage and we work through this, it's our concepts, so I'm trying to really democratize this software to the masses, right? And be able to make it easy to use and simple to use. If you think about old or traditional software-defined storage, all the knobs and all the tweaks, sometimes it make it difficult to implement. And so you get these really high end extreme customers that leave all these knobs to tweak. We do that very, very well, but what we've been focused on the last couple of years is ensuring we can get that to multiple places through robust kind of investment in our flex manager space. So be able to automate and make things a lot easier and simpler for customers to use that way we can go down and provide this technology to more people. And then the other thing is kind of meeting customers where they need to be. And so a couple of key mechanism, which people consume our products is through our appliances and our racks or integrated racks. So when a customer comes after a kind of a full end to end white glove solution, whether I want to roll a big rack into their environment, plug it in, get it up and going, we have a full integrated rack that we deliver to the customers that really drive that outcome. And then if you think about the difference between that and the appliance the appliance has given us a little more flexibility. So if you want to plug that into an existing network or an existing environment, well, both of these things give you that extreme scale and performance that AC was just talking about, while that rich management experience. so I think you kind of aligned the consumption models and the new management, which also brings a big differentiated value to the product. >> Excellent, so, Matt when I hear you talking about these solutions, wonder if you can help connect this with how your customers are talking about cloud in general, you talked about consumption model, you talked about how to manager, so where does this fit? whether it's the Dell Tech Cloud or just your customers overall discussion of cloud. >> Yeah, so a couple of things come to mind here. Typically what we see with PowerFlex is customer saying, I'm trying to achieve what we call this common platform, which is, I want to build an on premises cloud, that gives me the flexibility to run all the workloads in my data center. And when we say all the workloads, that's everything from obviously your virtualization stack through things like your physical bare metal workloads typically your high performance databases all the way through this emerging world of containers. And those containers could be virtual, could be physical. And giving customers the value of running all of that on a single underlying software-defined infrastructure, with all of the automation life cycle management to go along with it, there's really just nothing like that in the market. So really where we're seeing this adoption is customers who are saying, I want to build my own cloud within my data center, that gives me the ability to run my workloads and because I'm building them on a common infrastructure, I can build automation that allows my end users to consume that infrastructure in a very cloud-like manner. So that's one big thing that we are seeing customers really bite off on. Another approach is within that Dell Technologies cloud platform. Which is, how do we leverage the best of all of the assets under the Dell Technologies umbrella, namely assets from VMware, VMware cloud foundations and everything they offer in their multicloud story, and providing a wide variety of options within the Dell Technologies portfolio to solve that. Obviously we have our VxRail platform, which is the most integrated solution vertically within that VMware stack. We also have other offerings within our storage portfolio that have the ability to plug into that, PowerFlex being one of those as an option for customers to leverage within that Dell Tech Cloud platform strategy. >> Excellent. Matt, you mentioned the new updates with three dot five maybe give us a little bit more on that If whether it's an existing customer, what things they've been asking for that are in this release, or maybe first some new people that might not have looked at the Flex family for awhile that three dot five might be bringing to the table. >> Yeah, I think the great thing about this product, it's an end to end solution. So we bring all these things together that add that value. A couple of the key things is that we've been hearing and driving towards our customers is around replication or a synchronous replication. So the ability for us to be able to align that and give that to customers is probably the most important piece of this release. We also did some really cool stuff in the management stack. So if you think about other competition or other products, being able to align firmware updates for example, or software updates for example, because of the scale of our product, we've had to align real unique things in our managements like stack like the ability to do rack level updates. So really innovative, really differentiated. So customers can take racks at a time down to do updates 'cause they don't have time when there's thousands of servers in their environment, they don't have time to do one note at a time in a round robin fashion. >> And a point to add onto that, right? What's really unique and Matt touched on it, this concept of democratization. We've always done large really well with this technology, right? In a way that really no other technology platform in this space can. What the team has built on the management stack is now allowing us to also do small and medium incredibly well, where we can bring this incredibly disruptive technology to the masses, to your general enterprise, to your general mid market type customer, who's not solving for hundreds or thousands of notes, but maybe solving for 10, 20 or 50 notes and delivering this very disruptive outcome that helps them much more adapt or much more quickly adapt to changing demands they have, harnessing all this flexibility, but doing it with point click operations that are incredibly simple across the full stack. >> Excellent, well, we've heard from Jeff Clark when you get the power brand on there, that's a message to the customers that this is a platform that's going to be with us for quite a number of years. Give us a look forward as to both of you as to what would you expect to see from PowerFlex. >> Yeah, I mean, we're really excited about the future, right? To your point, aligning with the winning roadmap, the investment level in this technology is really high within the organization, how we work well within the broader Dell Technologies portfolio is really exciting. So we'll continue to innovate and drive this democratization story that Anthony was talking about. Innovate in new data services, innovate in new management paradigms and stacks. Like the thing I just talked about in terms of doing rack level updates. And I think just giving customers, listening to our customers and providing that on a reoccurring basis is the critical thing. So we're really embracing this idea of providing updates on a regular basis to be able to respond to customers' needs on a daily day basis. >> Yeah, I think one thing to add to that, that I'm excited to see the team continue executing on is delivering actual workload solution-based outcomes, right? Very often customers will come to us and say, here's my workload problem, right? It's an Oracle, it's a Slung, it's an elastic stack or name your workload. The team's really done a great job of leveraging this platform and building full stack validated solutions, oftentimes in tandem with the application vendor. So customers can consume this technology with complete confidence to run oftentimes their most important or critical workloads, knowing that they have the full backing of the vendor, they have the full backing of the infrastructure provider and the application provider working together to deliver this technology as an outcome. And because of its extreme flexibility, we can adapt it to so many different workload scenarios and customers have responded to that incredibly well. So for me, I'm excited to see the team continuing to build that solutions portfolio because customers are really seeing a ton of value in that. >> Great. I guess final question I have for you Matt, probably up your alley there, availability of the product, is it available now at the launch and if I was a VxFlex customer before what does the move to PowerFlex move, how do I get from where I was to the future If there are any hardware changes or is it all software? >> Yeah, good point. So it's available now, there on the 25th, so, really excited for the customers and we do support customers going from the existing version to the new version. And so the upgrades are pretty straight forward, pretty easy to bring in that updated management stack and then bring in the updated FlexOS. I'm sorry, PowerFlex version. (giggles) >> It's all right, I'm sure customers will be going back and forth on the terms. All right, Matt and AC thank you so much for the update. Congratulations on the progress. (mumbles) All right, I'm Stu Miniman and thank you for watching the cube. (soft music)