>>Hello. Welcome back to our super cloud 22 event. I'm John F host the cue with my co-host Dave ante. Extracting the signal from noise. We're proud to have two amazing cube alumnis here. We got Sanja Putin. Who's now the CEO of cohesive the emo Aaron who's the CTO. Co-founder also former CEO Cub alumni. The father of hyper-converged welcome back to the cube I endorsed the >>Cloud. Absolutely. Is the father. Great >>To see you guys. Thank thanks for coming on and perfect timing. The new job taking over that. The helm Mo it at cohesive big news, but part of super cloud, we wanna dig into it. Thanks for coming on. >>Thank you for having >>Us here. So first of all, we'll get into super before we get into the Supercloud. I want to just get the thoughts on the move Sanjay. We've been following your career since 2010. You've been a cube alumni from that point, we followed that your career. Why cohesive? Why now? >>Yeah, John David, thank you first and all for having us here, and it's great to be at your event. You know, when I left VMware last year, I took some time off just really primarily. I hadn't had a sabbatical in probably 18 years. I joined two boards, Phillips and sneak, and then, you know, started just invest and help entrepreneurs. Most of them were, you know, Indian Americans like me who were had great tech, were looking for the kind of go to market connections. And it was just a wonderful year to just de to unwind a bit. And along the, the way came CEO calls. And I'd asked myself, the question is the tech the best in the industry? Could you see value creation that was signi significant and you know, three, four months ago, Mohit and Carl Eschenbach and a few of the board members of cohesive called me and walk me through Mo's decision, which he'll talk about in a second. And we spent the last few months getting to know him, and he's everything you describe. He's not just the father of hyperconverge. And he wrote the Google file system, wicked smart, built a tech platform better than that second time. But we had to really kind of walk through the chemistry between us, which we did in long walks in, in, you know, discrete places so that people wouldn't find us in a Starbucks and start gossiping. So >>Why Sanjay? There you go. >>Actually, I should say it's a combination of two different decisions. The first one was to, for me to take a different role and I run the company as a CEO for, for nine years. And, you know, as a, as a technologist, I always like, you know, going deep into technology at the same time, the CEO duties require a lot of breadth, right? You're talking to customers, you're talking to partners, you're doing so much. And with the way we've been growing the with, you know, we've been fortunate, it was becoming hard to balance both. It's really also not fair to the company. Yeah. So I opted to do the depth job, you know, be the visionary, be the technologist. And that was the first decision to bring a CEO, a great CEO from outside. >>And I saw your video on the site. You said it was your decision. Yes. Go ahead. I have to ask you, cuz this is a real big transition for founders and you know, I have founder artists cuz everyone, you know, calls me that. But being the founder of a company, it's always hard to let go. I mean nine years as CEO, it's not like you had a, you had a great run. So this was it timing for you? Was it, was it a structural shift, like at super cloud, we're talking about a major shift that's happening right now in the industry. Was it a balance issue? Was it more if you wanted to get back in and in the tech >>Look, I, I also wanna answer, you know, why Sanja, but, but I'll address your question first. I always put the company first what's right for the company. Is it for me to start get stuck the co seat and try to juggle this depth and Brad simultaneously. I mean, I can stroke my ego a little bit there, but it's not good for the company. What's best for the company. You know, I'm a technologist. How about I oversee the technology part in partnership with so many great people I have in the company and I bring someone kick ass to be the CEO. And so then that was the second decision. Why Sanja when Sanjay, you know, is a very well known figure. He's managed billions of dollars of business in VMware. You know, been there, done that has, you know, some of the biggest, you know, people in the industry on his speed dial, you know, we were really fortunate to have someone like that, come in and accept the role of the CEO of cohesive. I think we can take the company to new Heights and I'm looking forward to my partnership with, with Sanja on this. >>It it's we, we called it the splash brothers and >>The, >>In the vernacular. It doesn't matter who gets the ball, whether it's step clay, we shoot. And I think if you look at some of the great partnerships, whether it was gates bomber, there, plenty of history of this, where a founder and a someone who was, it has to be complimentary skills. If I was a technologist myself and wanted to code we'd clash. Yeah. But I think this was really a match me in heaven because he, he can, I want him to keep innovating and building the best platform for today in the future. And our customers tell one customer told me, this is the best tech they've seen since VMware, 20 years ago, AWS, 10 years ago. And most recently this was a global 100 big customers. So I feel like this combination, now we have to show that it works. It's, you know, it's been three, four months. My getting to know him, you know, I'm day eight on the job, but I'm loving it. >>Well, it's a sluman model too. It's more modern example. You saw, he did it with Fred Ludy at service now. Yes. And, and of course at, at snowflake, yeah. And his book, you read his book. I dunno if you've read his book, amp it up, but app it up. And he says, I always you'll love this. Give great deference to the founder. Always show great respect. Right. And for good reason. So >>In fact, I mean you could talk to him, you actually met to >>Frank. I actually, you know, a month or so back, I actually had dinner with him in his ranch in Moana. And I posed the question. There was a number of CEOs that went there and I posed him the question. So Frank, you know, many of us, we grow being deaf guys, you know? And eventually when we take on the home of our CEO, we have to do breadth. How do you do it? And he's like, well, let me tell you, I was never a death guy. I'm a breath guy. >>I'm like, >>That's my answer. Yeah. >>So, so I >>Want the short story. So the day I got the job, I, I got a text from Frank and I said, what's your advice the first time CEO, three words, amp it up, >>Amp it up. Right? Yeah. >>And so you're always on brand, man. >>So you're an amazing operator. You've proven that time and time again at SAP, VMware, et cetera, you feel like now you, you, you wanna do both of those skills. You got the board and you got the operations cuz you look, you know, look at sloop when he's got Scarelli wherever he goes, he brings Scarelli with him as sort of the operator. How, how do you, how are you thinking >>About that? I mean it's early days, but yeah. Yeah. Small. I mean I've, you know, when I was, you know, it was 35,000 people at VMware, 80, 90,000 people at SAP, a really good run. The SAP run was 10 to 20 billion innovative products, especially in analytics and VMware six to 12 end user computing cloud. So I learned a lot. I think the company, you know, being about 2000 employees plus not to mayor tomorrow, but over the course next year I can meet everybody. Right? So first off the executive team, 10 of us, we're, we're building more and more cohesiveness if I could use that word between us, which is great, the next, you know, layers of VPs and every manager, I think that's possible. So I I'm a people person and a customer person. So I think when you take that sort of extroverted mindset, we'll bring energy to the workforce to, to retain the best and then recruit the best. >>And you know, even just the week we, we were announced that this announcement happened. Our website traffic went through the roof, the highest it's ever been, lots of resumes coming in. So, and then lots of customer engagement. So I think we'll take this, but I, I feel very good about the possibilities, because see, for me, I didn't wanna walk into the company to a company where the technology risk was high. Okay. I feel like that I can go to bed at night and the technology risk is low. This guy's gonna run a machine at the current and the future. And I'm hearing that from customers. Now, what I gotta do is get the, the amp it up part on the go to market. I know a little thing or too about >>That. You've got that down. I think the partnership is really key here. And again, nine use the CEO and then Sanja points to our super cloud trend that we've been looking at, which is there's another wave happening. There's a structural change in real time happening now, cloud one was done. We saw that transition, AWS cloud native now cloud native with an kind of operating system kind of vibe going on with on-premise hybrid edge. People say multi-cloud, but we're looking at this as an opportunity for companies like cohesive to go to the next level. So I gotta ask you guys, what do you see as structural change right now in the industry? That's disruptive. People are using cloud and scale and data to refactor their business models, change modern cases with cloud native. How are you guys looking at this next structural change that's happening right now? Yeah, >>I'll take that. So, so I'll start by saying that. Number one, data is the new oil and number two data is exploding, right? Every year data just grows like crazy managing data is becoming harder and harder. You mentioned some of those, right? There's so many cloud options available. Cloud one different vendors have different clouds. There is still on-prem there's edge infrastructure. And the number one problem that happens is our data is getting fragmented all over the place and managing so many fragments of data is getting harder and harder even within a cloud or within on-prem or within edge data is fragmented. Right? Number two, I think the hackers out there have realized that, you know, to make money, it's no longer necessary to Rob banks. They can actually see steal the data. So ransomware attacks on the rise it's become a boardroom level discussion. They say there's a ransomware attack happening every 11 seconds or so. Right? So protecting your data has become very important security data. Security has become very important. Compliance is important, right? So people are looking for data management solutions, the next gen data management platform that can really provide all this stuff. And that's what cohesive is about. >>What's the difference between data management and backup. Explain that >>Backup is just an entry point. That's one use case. I wanna draw an analogy. Let's draw an analogy to my former company, Google right? Google started by doing Google search, but is Google really just a search engine. They've built a platform that can do multiple things. You know, they might have started with search, but then they went down to roll out Google maps and Gmail and YouTube and so many other things on that platform. So similarly backups might be just the first use case, but it's really about that platform on which you can do more with the data that's next gen data management. >>But, but you am, I correct. You don't consider yourself a security company. One of your competitors is actually pivoting and in positioning themselves as a security company, I've always felt like data management, backup and recovery data protection is an adjacency to security, but those two worlds are coming together. How do you see >>It? Yeah. The way I see it is that security is part of data management. You start maybe by backing with data, but then you secure it and then you do more with that data. If you're only doing security, then you're just securing the data. You, you gotta do more with the data. So data management is much bigger. So >>It's a security is a subset of data. I mean, there you go. Big TA Sanjay. >>Well, I mean I've, and I, I, I I'd agree. And I actually, we don't get into that debate. You know, I've told the company, listen, we'll figure that out. Cuz who cares about the positioning at the bottom? My email, I say we are data management and data security company. Okay. Now what's the best word that describes three nouns, which I think we're gonna do management security and analytics. Okay. He showed me a beautiful diagram, went to his home in the course of one of these, you know, discrete conversations. And this was, I mean, he's done this before. Many, if you watch on YouTube, he showed me a picture of an ice big iceberg. And he said, listen, you know, if you look at companies like snowflake and data bricks, they're doing the management security and mostly analytics of data. That's the top of the iceberg, the stuff you see. >>But a lot of the stuff that's get backed archive is the bottom of the iceberg that you don't see. And you try to, if you try to ask a question on age data, the it guy will say, get a ticket. I'll come back with three days. I'll UNIV the data rehydrate and then you'll put it into a database. And you can think now imagine that you could do live searches analytics on, on age data that's analytics. So I think the management, the security, the analytics of, you know, if you wanna call it secondary data or backed up data or data, that's not hot and live warm, colder is a huge opportunity. Now, what do you wanna call one phrase that describes all of it. Do you call that superpower management security? Okay, whatever you wanna call it. I view it as saying, listen, let's build a platform. >>Some people call Google, a search company. People, some people call Google and information company and we just have to go and pursue every CIO and every CSO that has a management and a security and do course analytics problem. And that's what we're doing. And when I talk to the, you know, I didn't talk to all the 3000 customers, but the biggest customers and I was doing diligence. They're like this thing has got enormous potential. Okay. And we just have to now go focus, get every fortune 1000 company to pick us because this problem, even the first use case you talk back up is a little bit like, you know, razor blades and soap you've needed. You needed it 30 years ago and you'll need it for 30 years. It's just that the tools that were built in the last generation that were companies formed in 1990s, one of them I worked for years ago are aids are not built for the cloud. So I think this is a tremendous opportunity where many of those, those, those nos management security analytics will become part of what we do. And we'll come up with the right phrase for what the companies and do course >>Sanjay. So ma and Sanja. So given that given that's this Google transition, I like that example search was a data problem. They got sequenced to a broader market opportunity. What super cloud we trying to tease out is what does that change over from a data standpoint, cuz now the operating environments change has become more complex and the enterprises are savvy. Developers are savvy. Now they want, they want SAS solutions. They want freemium and expanding. They're gonna drive the operations agenda with DevOps. So what is the complexity that needs to be abstracted away? How do you see that moment? Because this is what people are talking about. They're saying security's built in, driven by developers. Developers are driving operations behavior. So what is the shift? Where do you guys see this new? Yeah. Expansive for cohesive. How do you fit into super cloud? >>So let me build up from that entry point. Maybe back up to what you're saying is the super cloud, right? Let me draw that journey. So let's say the legacy players are just doing backups. How, how sad is it that you have one silo sitting there just for peace of mind as an insurance policy and you do nothing with the data. If you have to do something with the data, you have to build another silo, you have to build another copy. You have to manage it separately. Right. So clearly that's a little bit brain damaged. Right. So, okay. So now you take a little bit of, you know, newer vendors who may take that backup platform and do a little bit more with that. Maybe they provide security, but your problem still remains. How do you do more with the data? How do you do some analytics? >>Like he's saying, right. How do you test development on that? How do you migrate the data to the cloud? How do you manage it? The data at scale? How do you do you provide a unified experience across, across multiple cloud, which you're calling the super cloud. That's where cohesive goes. So what we do, we provide a platform, right? We have tentacles in on-prem in each of the clouds. And on top of that, it looks like one platform that you manage. We have a single control plane, a UI. If you may, a single pin of glass, if, if you may, that our customers can use to manage all of it. And now it looks, starts looking like one platform. You mentioned Google, do you, when you go to, you know, kind Google search or a URL, do you really care? What happens behind the scenes mean behind the scenes? Google's built a platform that spans the whole world. No, >>But it's interesting. What's behind the scenes. It's a beautiful now. And I would say, listen, one other thing to pull on Dave, on the security part, I saw a lot of vendors this day in this space, white washing a security message on top of backup. Okay. And CSO, see through that, they'll offer warranties and guarantees or whatever, have you of X million dollars with a lot of caveats, which will never paid because it's like escape clause here. We won't pay it. Yeah. And, and what people really want is a scalable solution that works. And you know, we can match every warranty that's easy. And what I heard was this was the most scalable solution at scale. And that's why you have to approach this with a Google type mindset. I love the fact that every time you listen to sun pitch, I would, what, what I like about him, the most common word to use is scale. >>We do things at scale. So I found that him and AUR and some of the early Google people who come into the company had thought about scale. And, and even me it's like day eight. I found even the non-tech pieces of it. The processes that, you know, these guys are built for simple things in some cases were better than some of the things I saw are bigger companies I'd been used to. So we just have to continue, you know, building a scale platform with the enterprise. And then our cloud product is gonna be the simple solution for the masses. And my view of the world is there's 5,000 big companies and 5 million small companies we'll push the 5 million small companies as the cloud. Okay. Amazon's an investor in the company. AWS is a big partner. We'll talk about I'm sure knowing John's interest in that area, but that's a cloud play and that's gonna go to the cloud really fast. You not build you're in the marketplace, you're in the marketplace. I mean, maybe talk about the history of the Amazon relationship investing and all that. >>Yeah, absolutely. So in two years back late 2020, we, you know, in collaboration with AWS who also by the way is an investor now. And in cohesive, we rolled out what we call data management as a service. It's our SaaS service where we run our software in the cloud. And literally all customers have to do is just go there and sign on, right? They don't have to manage any infrastructure and stuff. What's nice is they can then combine that with, you know, software that they might have bought from cohesive. And it still looks like one platform. So what I'm trying to say is that they get a choice of the, of the way they wanna consume our software. They can consume it as a SAS service in the cloud. They can buy our software, manage it themselves, offload it to a partner on premises or what have you. But it still looks like that one platform, what you're calling a Supercloud >>Yeah. And developers are saying, they want the bag of Legos to compose their solutions. That's the Nirvana they want to get there. So that's, it has to look the same. >>Well, what is it? What we're calling a Superlo can we, can we test that for a second? So data management and service could span AWS and on-prem with the identical experience. So I guess I would call that a Supercloud I presume it's not gonna through AWS span multiple clouds, but, but >>Why not? >>Well, well interesting cuz we had this, I mean, so, okay. So we could in the future, it doesn't today. Well, >>David enough kind of pause for a second. Everything that we do there, if we do it will be customer driven. So there might be some customers I'll give you one Walmart that may want to store the data in a non AWS cloud risk cuz they're competitors. Right. So, but the control plane could still be in, in, in the way we built it, but the data might be stored somewhere else. >>What about, what about a on-prem customer? Who says, Hey, I, I like cohesive. I've now got multiple clouds. I want the identical experience across clouds. Yeah. Okay. So, so can you do that today? How do you do that today? Can we talk >>About that? Yeah. So basically think roughly about the split between the data plane and the control plane, the data plane is, you know, our cohesive clusters that could be sitting on premises that could be sitting in multiple data centers or you can run an instance of that cluster in the cloud, whichever cloud you choose. Right. That's what he was referring to as the data plane. So collectively all these clusters from the data plane, right? They stored the data, but it can all be managed using the control plane. So you still get that single image, the single experience across all clouds. And by the way, the, the, the, the cloud vendor does actually benefit because here's a customer. He mentioned a customer that may not wanna go to AWS, but when they get the data plane on a different cloud, whether it's Azure, whether it's the Google cloud, they then get data management services. Maybe they're able to replicate the data over to AWS. So AWS also gains. >>And your deployment model is you instantiate the cohesive stack on each of the regions and clouds, is that correct? And you building essentially, >>It all happens behind the scenes. That's right. You know, just like Google probably has their tentacles all over the world. We will instantiate and then make it all look like one platform. >>I mean, you should really think it's like a human body, right? The control planes, the head. Okay. And that controls everything. The data plane is large because it's a lot of the data, right? It's the rest of the body, that data plane could be wherever you want it to be. Traditionally, the part the old days was tape. Then you got disk. Now you got multiple clouds. So that's the way we think about it. And there on that piece of it will be neutral, right? We should be multi-cloud to the data plane being every single place. Cause it's customer demand. Where do you want your store data? Air gapped. On-prem no problem. We'll work with Dell. Okay. You wanna be in a particular cloud, AWS we'll work then optimized with S3 and glacier. So this is where I think the, the path to a multi-cloud or Supercloud is to be customer driven, but the control plane sits in Amazon. So >>We're blessed to have a number of, you know, technical geniuses in here. So earlier we were speaking to Ben wa deja VI, and what they do is different. They don't instantiate an individual, you know, regions. What they do is of a single global. Is there a, is there an advantage of doing it the way the cohesive does it in terms of simplicity or how do you see that? Is that a future direction for you from a technology standpoint? What are the trade offs there? >>So you want to be where the data is when you said single global, I take it that they run somewhere and the data has to go there. And in this day age, correct >>Said that. He said, you gotta move that in this >>Day and >>Age query that's, you know, across regions, look >>In this day and age with the way the data is growing, the way it is, it's hard to move around the data. It's much easier to move around the competition. And in these instances, what have you, so let the data be where it is and you manage it right there. >>So that's the advantage of instantiating in multiple regions. As you don't have to move the >>Data cost, we have the philosophy we call it. Let's bring the, the computation to the data rather than the data to >>The competition and the same security model, same governance model, same. How do you, how do you federate that? >>So it's all based on policies. You know, this overarching platform controlled by, by the control plane, you just, our customers just put in the policies and then the underlying nuts and bolts just take care >>Of, you know, it's when I first heard and start, I started watching some of his old videos, ACE really like hyperconverged brought to secondary storage. In fact, he said, oh yeah, that's great. You got it. Because I first called this idea, hyperconverged secondary storage, because the idea of him inventing hyperconverge was bringing compute to storage. It had never been done. I mean, you had the kind of big VC stuff, but these guys were the first to bring that hyperconverge at, at Nutanix. So I think this is that same idea of bringing computer storage, but now applied not to the warm data, but to the rest of the data, including a >>Lot of, what about developers? What's, what's your relationship with developers? >>Maybe you talk about the marketplace and everything >>He's yeah. And I'm, I'm curious as to do you have a PAs layer, what we call super PAs layer to create an identical developer experience across your Supercloud. I'm gonna my >>Term. So we want our customers not just to benefit from the software that we write. We also want them to benefit from, you know, software that's written by developers by third party people and so on and so forth. So we also support a marketplace on the platform where you can download apps from third party developers and run them on this platform. There's a, a number of successful apps. There's one, you know, look like I said, our entry point might be backups, but even when backups, we don't do everything. Look, for instance, we don't backup mainframes. There is a, a company we partner with, you know, and their software can run in our marketplace. And it's actually used by many, many of our financial customers. So our customers don't get, just get the benefit of what we build, but they also get the benefit of what third parties build. Another analogy I like to draw. You can tell. And front of analogy is I drew an analogy to hyperscale is like Google. Yeah. The second analogy I like to draw is that to a simple smartphone, right? A smartphone starts off by being a great phone. But beyond that, it's also a GPS player. It's a, it's a, it's a music player. It's a camera, it's a flashlight. And it also has a marketplace from where you can download apps and extend the power of that platform. >>Is that a, can we think of that as a PAs layer or no? Is it really not? You can, okay. You can say, is it purpose built for what you're the problem that you're trying to solve? >>So we, we just built APIs. Yeah. Right. We have an SDK that developers can use. And through those APIs, they get to leverage the underlying services that exist on the platform. And now developers can use that to take advantage of all that stuff. >>And it was, that was a key factor for me too. Cause I, what I, you know, I've studied all the six, seven players that sort of so-called leaders. Nobody had a developer ecosystem, nobody. Right? The old folks were built for the hardware era, but anyones were built for the cloud to it didn't have any partners were building on their platform. So I felt for me listen, and that the example of, you know, model nine rights, the name of the company that does back up. So there's, there's companies that are built on and there's a number of others. So our goal is to have a big tent, David, to everybody in the ecosystem to partner with us, to build on this platform. And, and that may take over time, but that's the way we're build >>It. And you have a metadata layer too, that has the intelligence >>To correct. It's all abstract. That that's right. So it's a combination of data and metadata. We have lots of metadata that keeps track of where the data is. You know, it allows you to index the data you can do quick searches. You can actually, you, we talking about the control plan from that >>Tracing, >>You can inject a search that'll through search throughout your multi-cloud environment, right? The super cloud that you call it. We have all that, all that goodness sounds >>Like a Supercloud John. >>Yeah. I mean, data tracing involved can trace the data lineage. >>You, you can trace the data lineage. So we, you know, provide, you know, compliance and stuff. So you can, >>All right. So my final question to wrap up, we guys, first of all, thanks for coming on. I know you're super busy, San Jose. We, we know what you're gonna do. You're gonna amp it up and, you know, knock all your numbers out. Think you always do. But what I'm interested in, what you're gonna jump into, cuz now you're gonna have the creative license to jump in to the product, the platform there has to be the next level in your mind. Can you share your thoughts on where this goes next? Love the control plane, separate out from the data plane. I think that plays well for super. How >>Much time do you have John? This guy's got, he's got a wealth. Ditis keep >>Going. Mark. Give us the most important thing you're gonna focus on. That kind of brings the super cloud and vision together. >>Yeah. Right away. I'm gonna, perhaps I, I can ion into two things. The first one is I like to call it building the, the machine, the system, right. Just to draw an analogy. Look, I draw an analogy to the us traffic system. People from all walks of life, rich, poor Democrats, Republicans, you know, different states. They all work in the, the traffic system and we drive well, right. It's a system that just works. Whereas in some other countries, you know, the system doesn't work. >>We know, >>We know a few of those. >>It's not about works. It's not about the people. It's the same people who would go from here to those countries and, and not dry. Well, so it's all about the system. So the first thing I, I have my sights on is to really strengthen the system that we have in our research development to make it a machine. I mean, it functions quite well even today, but wanna take it to the next level. Right. So that I wanna get to a point where innovation just happens in the grassroots. And it just, just like >>We automations scale optic brings all, >>Just happens without anyone overseeing it. Anyone there's no single point of bottleneck. I don't have to go take any diving catches or have you, there are people just working, you know, in a decentralized fashion and innovation just happens. Yeah. The second thing I work on of course is, you know, my heart and soul is in, you know, driving the vision, you know, the next level. And that of course is part of it. So those are the two things >>We heard from all day in our super cloud event that there's a need for an, an operating system. Yeah. Whether that's defacto standard or open. Correct. Do you see a consortium around the corner potentially to bring people together so that things could work together? Cuz there really isn't no stand there. Isn't a standards bodies. Now we have great hyperscale growth. We have on-prem we got the super cloud thing happening >>And it's a, it's kind of like what is an operating system? Operating system exposes some APIs that the applications can then use. And if you think about what we've been trying to do with the marketplace, right, we've built a huge platform and that platform is exposed through APIs. That third party developers can use. Right? And even we, when we, you know, built more and more services on top, you know, we rolled our D as we rolled out, backup as a service and a ready for thing security as a service governance, as a service, they're using those APIs. So we are building a distributor, putting systems of sorts. >>Well, congratulations on a great journey. Sanja. Congratulations on taking the hem. Thank you've got ball control. Now you're gonna be calling the ball cohesive as they say, it's, >>It's a team. It's, you know, I think I like that African phrase. If you want to go fast, you go alone. If you wanna go far, you go together. So I've always operated with the best deal. I'm so fortunate. This is to me like a dream come true because I always thought I wanted to work with a technologist that frees me up to do what I like. I mean, I started as an engineer, but that's not what I am today. Right? Yeah. So I do understand the product and this category I think is right for disruption. So I feel excited, you know, it's changing growing. Yeah. No. And it's a, it requires innovation with a cloud scale mindset and you guys have been great friends through the years. >>We'll be, we'll be watching you. >>I think it's not only disruption. It's creation. Yeah. There's a lot of white space that just hasn't been created yet. >>You're gonna have to, and you know, the proof, isn't the pudding. Yeah. You already have five of the biggest 10 financial institutions in the us and our customers. 25% of the fortune 500 users, us two of the biggest five pharmaceutical companies in the world use us. Probably, you know, some of the biggest companies, you know, the cars you have, you know, out there probably are customers. So it's already happening. >>I know you got an IPO filed confidentially. I know you can't talk numbers, but I can tell by your confidence, you're feeling good right now we are >>Feeling >>Good. Yeah. One day, one week, one month at a time. I mean, you just, you know, I like the, you know, Jeff Bezos, Andy jazzy expression, which is, it's always day one, you know, just because you've had success, even, you know, if, if a and when an IPO O makes sense, you just have to stay humble and hungry because you realize, okay, we've had a lot of success in the fortune 1000, but there's a lot of white space that hasn't picked USS yet. So let's go, yeah, there's lots of midmarket account >>Product opportunities are still, >>You know, I just stay humble and hungry and if you've got the team and then, you know, I'm really gonna be working also in the ecosystem. I think there's a lot of very good partners. So lots of ideas brew through >>The head. Okay. Well, thank you so much for coming on our super cloud event and, and, and also doubling up on the news of the new appointment and congratulations on the success guys. Coverage super cloud 22, I'm sure. Dave ante, thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more segments after this break.

>> Welcome to the Special Cube conversation. We're here in Palo Alto, California Cube headquarters. I'm John for a host of the Cube were Mohit parents, founder and CEO of Cohesive Serial entrepreneur. Successful Distribute computing, phD, computer science. Welcome to the Cube. Thanks for having me here. So thanks for coming. You guys been very successful. You found the couple in twenty thirteen. Great traction. Great success, Great technology. What's the vision of Cohee City? >> Let me first start by describing the problem. And then I'll go under describing the vision. The problem in a nutshell, is ah what we call mass data fragmentation. It refers to the fact that everything sets in silos, whether it's the sender or whether it's the cloud All our data sets in silos in appliances. Just expect all across the whole universe. And our vision is to basically consolidate that onto one platform I The easiest way to understand our vision is to look at it. What a smartphone that in the consumer space before the smartphone came the all used to carry multiple devices, right? Phone, music, player, camera, and so on. So forth. Uh, the smartphone came. It put all of those on one platform gave us a single U I to manage it all, um, gave us the notion ofthe marketplace from where we could download maps and run on this platform and gave us machine learning. Our vision is something very similar for the world of leader in the world. That data is the most valuable resource today in the world, much more so than oil. And he had the infrastructure. Where we put that data is very fragmented. Let's look at the ladies under backups is one silo probably bought from different renders test. And there was another side of analytics is another one five chairs and object storage is another one. Our vision is is to put all of that on one platform, make it very simple. Make that platform span the data center and the cloud manager using one us bring machine learning concepts to it and at a market place from where people >> could, you know, the smart phones. A good analogy. I like that because you had a market where they made devices to make phone calls and then text messaging. Beak was like killer half of the time. But having the computer enable the whole new class of services functionality, usability and capability and that that iPhone was a seminal moment There. You see, the same thing in Tech right now with Cloud Cloud has changed again. Seeing cloud be successful. Scale is a huge thing. So functionality, new kinds of functionality and large scales with cloud computing has proven. And APS have come around that. So I gotta ask you, you know, backup has been in category that has been dominated. Public offerings dated domain, but the list is endless of great companies built great backup solutions or a K phones. And I think that's what you're getting at the phones is the backup. You guys are building new functions. I want to explain the reels, um, capabilities that's going to come out of the data because if you have data being backed up, you're touching the data. So if you built a platform for scale, it seems that you guys have talked about that product. What is the unique thinking behind it? How did you come to it? And what are some of the examples? >> Yeah, so let's start one step at a time. So, uh, even though it's a platform that can do multiple things just like the smartphone had to be a great phone to begin with. This is a great backup product to begin with. And once we've solved the back a problem for the customer, then we encouraged them to do more on this may be to file shares, baby to object storage. Maybe start using the clouds and sunset. The next thing you'LL say that. Imagine you will work on that data. So you've ingested some data using backups and you want to get some insights from that data today? What you're forced to do is you probably have to copy that data out into another side of creating one more fragment. One more copy of the data. Why not move APS to the data? But other than dated adapts. So our whole concept is that take this platform and take whatever happened. You wanted to run outside off this just running on this platform and thereby you're moving APS to the data. Not the dinner, perhaps moving their eyes. Heart. It is. Ah, is big moving abscess. Easy. So and that's what the hell is this about On That's the platform. That's the capability of the platform. It's a distributed platform. Let's you're on APS close to where that it is. That's the underlying a lot of >> people say I remember we're going back a couple years now talking about Cloud or once I want to be like Google. I want to be like Amazon because they were offering at large scale using open source software. You can. You were lead engineer on Google file system, so you know a lot about scale. But a lot of people wanted the scale and functionality of Google, but they wanted the ease of use of Apple. And I've heard you mentioned that when were before we came on. So this is actually an interesting dynamic. But not everyone's like, Oh, but they have now data scaling similar challenges that Google has one song or another's large scale. Talk about that dynamic because you're changing the game on backup did since you touching the data, you're going to make that more valuable beyond just backing up. And this the concept of moving absolute data talkabout this dynamic of scale, functionality and ease of use because if you're doing all the work with the data, why not extend that out? This is essentially what you're doing. Can you explain that? >> Yeah. I think about the problems that Google would have if they were dealing with lots and lots of fragments of data. If everything was studying in a different appliance, Uh, with the volume of data that day deal that they'LL just be going knots pulling their hair all day long, right? So they built a web scale system that was sort of like a single platform. I was fortunate to be part ofthe some of those technologies, like the Google file system. So they built that Web scale file system to make it look like make all of that look like one platform. And now that it was one platform, they could move the APP store. And we're basically trying tow do something similar to the realm ofthe second reader naps. Because we have lots and lots of data here today. It sets and silos be the backups or passed on diver filers, Object storage. We're gonna build one big platform that scales out in a Google like fashion which can be managed very simply, using one you Iike an apple like manageability. And with this concept, we become very similar to those hyper skill er's, and we bring some of the same innovations to people out there. I >> want to share a common e we were talking about before we came on camera. You were just preferred something. You said I'd like to solve one problem at a time and then move on. But what's interesting here? Competitive strategy wise, you're solving the backup problem. But why you got your hands on the data? You're actually going to re imagine the usability of that data. So you're essentially adding value to a basic function back up, putting a platform around and extending that out, perhaps to come to it. And it's kind >> of a >> land grab that's working. This is a unique It's a different way to think about, Is that right? >> So I like to say that we like the master's off one trade at a time, nor Jack of all trades, uh, and that first trade for us that we would be masters off his backups once we're happy there. Then we can go on and focus on, you know, maybe filers or object storage. And this is how we build the platform right eye. I always say that when you architect a system, you have to think about all this from day one. You can't incrementally at patches and expect the system to grow right. I sometimes draw an analogy between why Google won the war against Yahoo. Google, Tara, Phil are all as a platform there. Thought about all the use cases they'd be, you know, putting on the platform. Yeah, who just build something that was good for search. Didn't think beyond that. That's why they you know about a bunch of naps. And >> that's where they saw it and thought of >> the Google file system and then YouTube on top and Gmail on top and blah, blah, blah. No. So I was the same approach. We've talked about the problem and the problem off. The problem We want to address mastered a recommendation up front, and our system has bean architected to solve that. Even if we start by being masters of backups first, the system has been architected tto do way more than that. >> So it be safe to say that cohesive from a software core competency standpoint is distributed computing core competence or disputed systems large scale from a computer science, you know standpoint and then data. So expertise are those two is intact. >> Yes. Oh, distributed computing and distributed file systems. Those would be there to core competencies. But then again, depending on like whether it's backups or its testing, that their competences of within those domains. >> So I want to get into the private tech. First of all, thanks for saying you have responded to that. The product text. Phenomenal. You have platform can do multiple things. I want to talk about span F S on Spann Os. You have some news. You've got something share on overview of what that is and what the new news is. >> So when you're trying to control on manage of lots and lots of data, you better have a distributed file system. So we built one, and we call it Spanish Fast. The name comes from the fact that it's supposed to span nodes in the very center that's supposed to span multiple kinds of storage in the data center. It's supposed to span the data center and your multi cloud environment, their hands the names pan a fast, But since we were building it like a platform, that's not just there for your data. It also runs apse on top off this platform. Uh, the span of fast is not enough. It becomes full scale us, if you may want to call it. What? So where's it has a file system and it has the ability to run laps on the file system, and the same ability was built here. And the name's patter well, so we can store data, but we can also naps close to that >> and with multi cloud on the horizon are actually president today. A lot of people use multiple clouds, and certainly Salesforce's considered cloud you got Amazon. So especially this moment clouds of existing today in the Enterprise, the coordinated all but hybrid and and these things they're going on. Premise. It's cloud operations. This becomes an important part of the distributed environments that need to be managed. Talk about the impact of multi cloud in today's world because it's a systems thinking. You gotta think about it from day one, which is kind of today. I got on premise. I got multiple clouds out there, and some clouds or great, depending on the workload, picked the cloud for the workload. I'm a big believer in that. Your thoughts, though, on as people tried to get their arms around this and make it, you know, one environment with a lot of decoupled elements that are highly cohesive. Talk about that dynamic. >> Yeah. So Cloud is a very, um, nice entrant into the infrastructure world. It provides a lot ofthe functionality, but it doesn't quite solve that problem off massive fragmentation. When you put your dinner in the cloud, it's still fragmented. And when you're dealing with, often our customers are big. Customers are dealing with multiple clouds and the data centers, and they have dedicated people trying to move data and applications between them. That's the problem that Cohee City can actually solve very well, because we're building a platform that spans all this. Um, all of that becomes underlying infrastructure that we use. And now through us, they can easily move APS. They could easily move data. They can access the data anywhere. That's the value we been to them. We have a customer here in California, and that was spending, uh, hundred twenty thousand dollars per month. It's a new company, uh, one hundred one hundred twenty thousand dollars per month on the eight of us both after they consolidated that stuff threw us in the cloud, their ability used to seventeen thousand dollars per month. That's the kind of value we can bring. The customers >> well, the Amazon Dana. It's interesting cause you got storage and you got E C two of the compute you need compute to manage towards so against. Not just storage. That's the cost. It's it's data is driving the economics. That's where you're getting it. >> Yeah, So I think data and storage and compute go together as I'm a big fan off hyper convergence, which me, along with the rest of my team Edna tonics. And Monday it's gonna doing multiple things on the side I'm back from. And you can't do that without storage and compute both working in tandem >> so consolidating with cohesive because I'll be using cohesive, he allows the better management lower costs on Amazon. >> That's right. That's right, because we store the data efficiently on Amazon, cutting the costs, and then you can run your raps on top. You don't have to copy out the data toe, run your wraps, you can actually land on the platform and all that saves costs. >> That's a great tidbit. Notes no to the audience out there. Great to tip their pro tip. Talk about the announcement you have now have APS coming out. You got three native cohesively absence. My word. I don't know. You guys call it Think Caps is going to the Alps and then for third party application developers. So again, this kind of teases out there beyond backup story, which is platform. What of the apse, Where this come from? What? Some of the reasons why they're being built. Can you share specifics on that news? >> This goes back to our analogy to a smartphone on one of the innovations the smartphone, brother. The world was the notion of a marketplace. You could go to the marketplace and down wrap. Some of the gaps are from the vendor who built the smartphone. Some of them are from third parties. So we are. And when the first iphone came out that I had basically five straight and then now there are millions of them. So what we have seeded the system with is we have, ah, a couple ofthe third party apse for in particular one a splunk that runs on the platform with in a container. One is from a company called Menace. One is actually two laps are anti virus absent. One vendor is scented. One when is clam? Maybe, um though that third party APS But then we've built some, um, APs from cohesively itself when his app called spotlight on the security app. One is an app called Insight searches through the data when his app called Easy Scripts allows our customers to upload scraps on drawing them from Go easy. So these are the apse that I'd be exceeded the system where were also announcing an SD came in just like your smartphone has a nasty cave. The world out there can go and use that and build ups on top if he would like people out there in the world. Third parties are partners to build ups and run on this bathroom >> so moment, what's their motivation behind the app system or functionality? As the demand grows, functionalities needed. So I'll see platforms should be enabling, so I get why APS could build on platforms. But what was the motivation that around the apse now just l of evolution capabilities? What's the thoughts >> It goes back to our philosophy that if you need to do something, you shouldn't buy one more silo to do it. You should be able to extend your existing platform and then do stuff. That's what your smartphone does. Uh, basically, even you, by your smartphone, it can be a phone, and I'm number for the things. But then you extended the functionality of that by downloading maps. It's the same motivation, you know, extend the abilities of this platform. Just download maps and then extended right. >> Give the value proposition pitch for the developers out there. Why would they want to develop on? Complicity is it is a certain kind of developer. What's the makeup of the target audience? Who would build on obesity? >> So all kinds of people we expect to build on this platform. So the value for our customers, for instance, now rather than, uh, copying the data out of this platform onto one more silo and that's very expensive, they can actually build a nap that runs on this platform so that they don't have to move the data around, and it's very, very simple. That's the value for our customers. For the developers out there. Uh, it's the same value that they get when they build an app on a smart phone. Uh, they building up some cash, but out there can download that app and the APP and then pay that developer some money so they don't have to build the whole company or the whole thing. Now they can build a nap that runs on cohesive. It's really simple for them. They get a cut of whatever the customer pays, so there's value all around. It's a ven ven for everyone >> it's not. And it's good business model, too good community going to get an ecosystem developing its a classic growth growth opportunity for you guys. Congratulate. So what a business you guys have talked about a couple quarters ago Publicly, about two million to million dollars run rate. Give us the update on the business in terms of growth. Employee headcount. Key milestones. Can you share? Seok was empty, >> so you know the momentum is phenomenal. We're very flattered by the fact that despite the fact that we're a young company we've been selling for more than three years, of seventy percent of our customers are enterprise customers. The big guys with lots and lots of data. Uh, some of the biggest banks in the world now use us. Some of the biggest credit card companies in the world use us. Uh, a lot of the secret of federal agencies. You, us? Um, uh, some of the public customers I convention Hyatt uses us. Ah, big financial. Northern Trust uses us the famous. Uh uh, you know, food chain. Wendy's uses us. So those are the names I can I can mention that are actually using and benefiting from cohesive. Um, so lots of lots of great stuff. Um, we had three hundred percent year over year growth in revenue. Our head count, actually, er this week crossed one thousand people. So we spoke to our chief people. Officer. We should mention our one thousand employees in a special way. So all that great stuff is happening. >> It's like walking through the door. All the bills go office because you guys were two hundred last year. About this time >> when you get back, we are about to enter. People's a factor of five growth and about one years phenomenal had come growth. >> Well, that's massive growth. How big is this guy's a real state growing and buy more office space. >> Yeah, well, uh, they're headquartered in a building and son who's a downtown. We start, but we got it. That building about when you're back, we only had two floors were really expanded toe like five floors now and looking toe, you know, rent more. We've also expanded to other locations. Geographically, we now have an office and rally. We have ah, uh in office and cork in Ireland. We already had an office in Bangalore. We setting one up in pony. We're setting one up in Toronto, So lots and lots of expansion worldwide. Not >> really looking good as well. I mean, let's think about the economics. >> So this is the time they're being in mustard and growth. That's looking phenomenal on DH. There's a path to profitability. Um uh, it all depends on you know, our economics and what the board decides on how and when we wanna charge towards profitability, we can get there. It's looks easy, but I think it's our productive ity off our sales reps looks phenomenal. On average, productively is very high, which basically means that you know, we can get to profitability fairly quickly. If you want. >> We're going to say, very impressed with the growth and impressed that you go out on the road, talk to customers closing business. That's sign of a great CEO. Always make sure the customers are happy. >> Um, eventually, that sort of companies about a happy employees and be happy customers. Uh, and my job is to see you is to make sure what happened >> before we get in Some of the questions I have from the community. I prepare because people want knew you were coming on. I want to ask you about entrepreneurship in your journey. You've had quite the career Google image in that nutanix. And now here, >> Look at look at >> today's environment. I mean, it was a lot of talk about how entrepreneurship changed and starting a company, you know, you got a rocket ship, so you had a lot people coming on Now from the your journey you're on now. But a lot of other offers out there right now, kind of like looking transition. People say tech is bad, not good for society. Seen bad, negative press in their entrepreneurship is a great opportunity right now in tech. What's your thoughts on the current landscape and opportunities for, you know, folks out there building new things and going in solving a problem from old market and reimagining it for the new. Because a lot of new going on seeing a new sea change with cloud. And on premise, >> I would say, Um, this is probably the best time to do a company then ever in the past because technology is there to help people. Young entrepreneurs. Uh, there's plenty of money to be raised from the sea. Species are very happy to be helping. End of news a couple of pieces of caution that I wantto give to would be entrepreneurs. Uh, number one. Don't be in a hurry. Learn their hopes of doing a company first. Ah, before jumping and doing it because often I find that they burn their fingers and then they don't want to do a company again. First, go to a good company, learn the ropes of playing a company, and then do a company. That's number one number two. Uh, I would like to incorrigible and avenues to think about their ideas in the context. Off the following two thoughts one is, uh, the company needs to have a great entry point. That's how the company takes off. But then it also needs to have a bigger vision to look up to. And I often find that company's lack one or the other of these, Uh, and that's why they eventually fail or they never take off the ground. In our case, the entry point was backups, and the big vision is the consolidation off seconded and haps that I spoke about, Ah, one or the other if they're missing, it's not >> an extensive abilities key there, too. You get the beachheads real specific seconds, and then you see you point >> out of a vision. That's >> what broader beachhead without trying to take it all too fast or not knowing where to lay. That's gonna much the analogy. >> That's what I say. I beat master of one traitor, go ahead in the beachhead and then expanded the bigger >> and by the way, that's a classic proven way to do it. So, you know, just stay with what works, All right, let's get to the questions from the community. A lot of people wanted to ask your first question moment. You've a great perspective on the difference between hyper scale on enterprise worlds Is the enterprise still ten plus years behind the Giants in Tech? And how have you helped bring hyper scale thinking to the enterprise architecture? >> Um, the enterprise is, actually, surprisingly is getting closer and closer. Uh, with all the great technologies available, hyper convergence has bean. One of those technologies that has made hyper convergence combined with upscale, uh, is one of those technologies that has brought the enterprise were very close to the hyper scholars. Now they can buy products that are hyper energy that scale out in a group like fashion, and they can get some of the same benefits that the hyper scholars have enjoyed over the years, eh? So I won't say they have that far behind anymore. They're catching up, and they're catching up. Eyes >> used to be a few years ago, you could look at saying old relic, you know, modern cloud >> the and and the companies that I have found it have. I'm very flattered to say that have gonna, uh, hasten that journey. Uh, happy convergence. And he's even solving this problem of massive fragmentation. The hyper skills have kind of, you know, already solved that problem. They have massive, upscale systems that don't deliver data fragmentation. It's one platform, and you're gonna bring that value to the world through cohesive, >> great, great success. Okay, second question. There's a ton of money pouring into the data protection space again, a category that's there's a card in magic water for that. But again, you start Cummings that don't have magic watches because it's new. Why is this money pouring into space? Why now? >> Number one dealer is exploding. There's lots of lots of data. Ah, bulk off the data sets in what we call second story. It comes to it through back up straight. Your your production stuff has some production data, but eventually that data. Nobody wants to believe that they would keep it in there for at least six seven years, maybe forever. All dated, it comes to backups. The opportunity that people have seen is that they can actually now doom or with that data. It's not just dumb waiter sitting there, so it's not just data protection. It becomes more of a data management and you do data management through APS. That's what cohesion is exploding. We get the data onto a platform through backups, but then we expand into arrest of the vision and Kendra naps to extract value from the dealer right? That's why the money is coming. >> Well, you just answer the next question, which is, you know, why cohesively wind now the space is crowded, a lot of competition, So I'll just move on Ransomware, what's going on there and what's unique about Kohi City and what do you bring to the table with respect to Ransomware. >> So Ransomware is, uh, uh, something that we now live in. Its every enterprise is at risk, uh, being affected by ransomware. So what we have announced recently eating a month back, we announced our ransomware support. Uh, we can offer not just the detection, but also a number for the things we can detect Ransom where we can allow our customers toe apply fixes. When When that happens, we really allow things to be recovered once ransomware happened. So it's built into our data protection environment, right? That's how customers like it. So it adds value to the data that they already have. It's not just a dumb backup. >> And with all the third party and S t k stuff happening potential extensive bility on that core, >> that's right. Now we can have apse that can detect more round somewhere by virtue of the fact that we can support running absolutes to data. Some of those APs could be Andy dancing, perhaps help protect the data, do some custom stuff. Once said handsome, it is detected. All that becomes possible >> last question from the crowd here, the community multi cloud. Everyone's going up to the space. What is multi cloud data protection really about? And why cohesive? Isn't this just really a multi cloud vendor? Khun, do it all mean a lot of people saying they're multi cloud vendors. Y you what is multi cloud data protection all about? >> So, you know, big enterprise customers probably have a foot in every cloud, and they call it a multi cloud infrastructure. And if they want to protect the data and forced me, the data is very fragmented. So they need a backup solution for one for every cloud that's roughly multi cloudy. The production. Uh, we're cool. Here's the adds value. It's building one platform that spans your multicolored environment. So one platform can now take care ofall that those backups eso it really simplifies the job off doing backups or data protection in a multicolored environment. And that's where the Queen's devalue comes in. >> Well, congratulations. Final question for this interview. How would you summarize the state of cohesive the right now? Thousand employees growth on the customer traction side and revenue business funding. Males look good economic with a platform, certainly software margins looking very good growth. What's it all about right now? Culture value, proposition don't. >> It's kind of like a rocket ship, and we're just hanging on. But it's Ah, I think that focus is, um, when you grow this fast, uh, the challenge becomes, uh, keeping your culture intact and we tryto put a lot of effort on our culture. Our core values are cultural guidelines were fanatics about that. So we want everyone to feel that they're coming in and this is home away from home, and they treat others to make them feel it's home away from home. We're trying to build a family here, so there's a lot of emphasis on that. But at the same time, you know, we all work hard and let the company >> and the new ecosystem opportunity for you is looking really good because if he zaps takeoff, certainly the cohesively APS. And now you got third party with an S t. K. This is potentially a game changer for you as a company to a CZ Wells, you have product company. Software company makes a lot of scared, but now you're gonna be bringing developers and impact there. >> The impact, the talk, leadership impact. Uh, you know, I'm personally very fun off er you know I do these companies because I want to change the world. I won't change the way the world thinks this is the way I think. And if I can help the world think in this fashion contributed something to the world. And so that's the excitement that sort of mission is. Team is excited about that. It's just >> we got a great mind phD in computer science and two ships systems entrepreneur that thinks up new things that disrupt the status quo. And the old guard certainly track record their congratulations. Know what? Thanks for coming on The Cube. This's the Cube conversation here. Palo Alto. I'm John every year. Thanks for watching. What?

(upbeat music) >> Okay, welcome back, everyone, it's CUBE's live coverage. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE here with Paul Gillen. Got a great guest coming up here, talking about cloud security, all things going on in the cloud. Paul, great day. How you doing? How you holding up? >> I'm about at the end of my, running on fumes, John. (John laughs) >> Let's bring it home. >> And we got another day coming up. >> Day three, let's bring it home, come on, let's go. Lot of energy. >> Lot of energy on the floor and certainly a lot of talk about security at this conference. Busy, busy market, lots of vendors. And one of the more notable ones, Cohesity, recently introduced a brand new suite, a brand new approach to security that combines data protection and security and backup. With us, to talk about that is Amith Nair, who is the Senior Vice president and General Manager of cloud at Cohesity. Welcome. >> Thank you very much. Thanks for having me, Paul and John. >> So tell us about DataHawk, your new product. >> Yeah, just to set a little bit of perspective on Cohesity, and how we think about DataHawk and security in general is, Cohesity is the leading solution for data security and management. And if you think about all the pillars that we provide in terms of solution around that data solutions, so we have data protection, data security, data access, data mobility and data insights. So the focus for us over the last many months was really to make our data security solutions really strong. So generally when customers think about security, they think about starting with security at the perimeter, on the edge. They think about firewalls, network layer, and so on and so forth. But in the end, what they're really trying to protect is the data that aligns to what they're really trying to save. Right? So DataHawk was formulated and built in order to help extend our existing solutions to provide additional security, layers of security, and also work with partners to enable doing that. Many months ago, we released this product called FortKnox, which is our cyber vaulting solution. One that customers really love and use today. >> It's an air gap solution, right? >> It's an air gap solution with forum capabilities, and so on. Extremely liked by customers, very well adopted, and we extended that to provide lots more data classification capabilities, and ransomware checks as well. So malware checks in the product itself in terms of what it is being backed up. And is there malware in the backed up data and so on? >> Maybe, we can talk about the evolution of ransomware, because ransomware is getting a lot more sophisticated. It used to start at the end point and then penetrate into the network. Increasingly, now, we're seeing it move into the backup, and actually corrupt backup files before moving into the production data. How is ransomware evolving? >> I mean, there's a ransomware attack that's happening right now as we speak, right? What is it? One in every 11 seconds or so on. And it's getting very, very sophisticated. And you're absolutely right, the target early on used to be the network, or the firewall and so on and so forth. Now, it is the backup. So you have to be very smart about how you protect your backup and if you do get attacked, which a lot of CSOs are starting to realize, it's not about just preventing. But it's also what do you do if it does happen? How can you be resilient in the case of an attack? How can you recover if something happens? And that's where we come in to play as well. >> What's some of the state of the art posture, security posture and cyber resilient techniques? Can you share your observations on what are some of the current state of the art positions? I mean, besides they buy everything, and they want everything, but we're looking at a cost reduction, slow down in the recession, customer's going to look at belt tightening. We heard that from Adam Celeste. Has that changed or enhanced the posture, and impact to the resiliency on the cyber side? >> Yeah, I think customers are getting really smart in terms of how they're adopting cloud. We saw a tremendous amount of growth from a cloud usage perspective, I think, over the last two years and through the pandemic. But now they're getting smart about, "How am I consuming that cloud?" Which is where the consumption's starting to slow down. But that does not mean they're not using cloud, right? And security from a cloud perspective is way different from the old world, which was very static. You're in a completely dynamic environment now. So everybody talks about zero trust security. You have to have that level of no trust, trust nothing, authenticate everything, in terms of how you approach what connects to your network, what services connect to your network and so on. And we follow the same approach, but we also believe that one solution cannot solve it. And which is why we had this announcement around our security advisory council, and security partnership and alliances, where we are providing data to additional solutions, or insights into other security solutions that will help the customer in the end. We talked about how some customers have anywhere between 50 to 70 vendors on their network for security. We want to reduce that noise and that clutter, especially when it comes to cost and expenses. Right? >> Awesome. I want to ask you a personal question if you don't mind. You're new, relatively new to Cohesity, SVP, Senior Vice President, General Manager of the cloud. Obviously, AWS, the biggest cloud, there's other clouds. What attracted you to Cohesity? What was the key thing that attracted you to this company to take a leadership role as this next wave comes in for cloud, and security and what Cohesity is doing? >> Yeah, there are a couple of reasons. Number one and most important was the maturity of the product and the quality of the product. Mohit Aron was our founder, you know, known as the grandfather or as the father of hyperconverge networking. >> He's a legend. >> He's a legend, right? >> (laughs) Just say it. >> And he's built a phenomenal set of technologies that really helps customers and that brings me to the second point, which is customers. We are a customer-obsessed company. And as I was talking to Mohit and Sanjay was our CEO, and Lynn was our CMO and others in the company, it was very evident to me that the core DNA of the company is really helping our customers be successful. Those two things put together. And the third thing, really, I am very culturally-obsessed when it comes to how organizations are run. We have a very strong culture in terms of how we treat employees, how we build the right set of products, and how we go to market. Right? Those three things put together, helped me really make a decision. Obviously, the leadership team within Cohesity was top notch as well. So every one of them that I spoke to had that same core belief system. That had helped a lot. >> Sanjay's a good friend of theCUBE, we've interviewed him many times with VMware. Paul, you know Sanjay's, he loves to get on cam. We hope to have him on tomorrow, if we can get him on the calendar. But you know, Sanjay told me one time, "I never missed a quarter." In his SAP, VMware, he's proud. We'll see, Paul, we're- >> Well, I'm going to hold him to that. >> We better not miss a quarter, I'm going to hold him to that. How's business? How's it, healthy? >> It's been great. We are seeing consistent demand for all of our products. As you can see, we continue to release new products into the market that customers are asking for. We are listening to what customers really want. Our roadmap is really based on two things, customer demand and market and where the market is growing. We have to stay on top of how the market is evolving based on the new challenges that customers are facing. Right? So markets, we are doing really good, company continues to grow and Sanjay has been fantastic in terms of driving that leadership. >> Yeah, he's a good driver. And again, he's Mr. Quarter for a reason, he's disciplined. >> (laughs) Very disciplined. >> Another reason, initiative, Cohesity's is the data security alliance. You put together a group of about a dozen security companies. Getting security companies to work with each other is always a challenge. How did you convince them to join with you? >> Well, one, we aligned on a mission. I mean, in the end, all the partners that we are talking about, they all care about what customers want. And we talked earlier about having that, you know, what is that single pane of glass when it comes to security? Is there one? Probably not. But if you can reduce the chatter, and the noise amongst all these companies, that helps. The other thing is they also understood our mission was really around the security, around data. We talked earlier about how security used to be very parameter or centric, but what you're really trying to save and secure is your data, which is your Queen Bee. And so a couple of months ago at our customer advisory council, I talked about moving and shifting the focus of security to be very data centric. And what we do in this partnership and alliance is a true integration. So there's a lot of engineering work that goes in, is us providing insights around the data to the security partners who can then leverage that to help customers be protected early on. Conversely, they can provide insights into an attack that's emanating possibly, to let us know that there's something happening, so we can lock up the data. So it's a bidirectional, symbiotic relationship between these partners and they all believe in that common cause of making sure the customers get protected. As we talked about earlier, lots of cyber attacks happening even as we speak, if we can collectively do something good in terms of making customers secure and successful, let's do it. >> So what will result from this alliance other than a press release? >> Customers will be successful, hopefully, not just protect customers from ransomware attacks, but also respond and recover if something does happen. We also announce our security council led by Kevin Mandia, and then we have some other big security advisors in that council as well. And that's been very helpful. So it's not just about the product itself, but it's also the collective experience of all these folks who can help and advise and coach CSOs, and other organizations on, what are the best practices? What are the things you're not really considering? What is the vision for you from an architecture standpoint? How is security threats starting to get more, and more mature? And how can you account for that? How can you reduce cost, to your point, right? How can you reduce cost when it comes to managing all these security solutions? >> No, there's no industry where working, it's more important for vendors to work together than in this one. >> Absolutely. I mean, especially for security, I don't think there's a one size fits all solution. So we have to work together. Right? >> What's your state of the union? You were at HashiCorp before you came here, you've been in the industry for a while, you've seen a few cycles of innovation. We're in a really weird time right now, because AWS wasn't really as powerful in 2008, when the last recession was hard too. They weren't really that big then. Now, they're a big part of the economic equation. So agility means fast speed. Can they help us get out of the pandemic? Customer's going to tighten their belts? Is there going to be a pullback? Is there tech spending? All these questions are looming. What are your customers seeing? What do you think is going to happen given the history? 'Cause I don't see the building stopping. I think you'll see more cloud, more savings. So is there fine-tuning solutions? What are customers thinking like now? >> I mean, if you think back to the last recession, the last major one, 2009, that's really about the time when you saw customers thinking about that whole digital transformation, because they started understanding that the way to connect with customers is through a digital engagement. Right? Now, as we've gone through a 10, 15 year period where there has been a lot of digital transformation, there's been a lot of investment in the cloud. Cloud is no longer seen with suspicion. Now, it's about getting smart on how to use it, how to build the right applications. Are there the right set of applications that need to stay in the cloud? And there might be others that need to stay on-prem. Right? I've talked to customers and CIOs who've mentioned to me in the past, that they would go a hundred percent in the cloud, and six months later they come back and they're like, "Nope, you're not going a hundred percent in the cloud. Maybe it's 10% or 15%." >> So they're moving. So what's your plan? You're the GM, you're in charge, you've got to take that next hill. Is it a tailwind, headwind? You've got to navigate the waters here, so to speak, mixed metaphors, but for the most part, you got a business opportunity. >> Absolutely. >> What's the outlook look like? What's your vision? What's the plan? >> Yeah. When it comes to cloud, there are certain things that are a common denominator. Right? One is how do you enable not just applications that are completely on cloud, but also that's on-prem? So for us, that hybrid movement is extremely important. But to create a single seamless UI and experience from an end-customer perspective. So for me, maintaining that and more at team, the R and D team at Cohesity have done a phenomenal job around that. For me, it's to maintain that, and then build additional workloads that make sense from a customer standpoint. There's a lot of investment customers are making. We also have to make sure that they're utilized correctly, and their stored, backed up data, recovered in a way that makes sense for them. And then if things do go south in terms of attacks or other issues, how can we help them get back up to speed, and make sure their business does not suffer? Right? So all of those combined, I think from a cloud perspective, it's the agility, the scalability, and the speed and swiftness that we can work with. >> Well, it sounds like he's ready for the Instagram Real Challenge, our new format on theCUBE. We're going to do a little segment where you can deliver a YouTube Short, Instagram Reel, TikTok or CUBE Gem. More of a thought leadership soundbite for 30 seconds around your view of why is cloud important right now. What's going on at this event that people should pay attention to? What's Cohesity doing? If you can put together a reel, a sizzle reel, or a thought leadership statement. What would that be? >> It would be that cloud is important for any business to be successful. And that's a given right now. I mean, digital transformation is an overused term, but the reality is it's here to stay. And it is the reason why everybody has a mobile phone. Half the people walking on the floor right now is looking at their phone and walking around. And that's your engagement method. So if you don't transform yourself to be able to connect with your end-user, your customer, you will not be successful. And Cohesity can help you by making sure that all of that data that you have, everything that you need in order to be successful to drive that engagement with your customers secure is backed up. No matter what, we will get you back up and running, and you will be successful. And we are in the success journey with you. >> Amith Nair, Senior Vice President, General Manager, Cohesity, the Cloud. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. For Paul Gillen, my co-host. I'm John Furrier here, live on the floor, wrapping up day two, few more segments, stay with us. We got a lot of action coming. We'll be right back with more after the short break. theCUBE, the leader in tech coverage. (bright music)

>> Male: TheCUBE presents, UIPATH, Forward 5 brought to you by, UIPATH. >> Okay the party has started here at forward 5 UIPATH big customer event if you're watching the cube. We're wrapping up day one with the co-CE0 segment. Daniel Dines is here. He's the founder and Co-CEO of UIPATH and Rob Enslin, is co-CEO. Gents, great to see you. Thanks for spending some time with us. I know you're super busy. >> Thanks Dave. >> So I've been looking forward to this. Daniel you know I've followed the company for a long time. The really interesting path you took, to get to where you are today. How did you guys meet? And why did you decide to hire Rob? >> Male: (laughs) >> Rob: Well let me start. I uh, I was looking for a partner. Actually, in our work to your stand here, we are talking about how, how you feel in this job. You feel so alone. Because you are the center of all pressure points. And having a partner, having someone that has your back, it's kind of awesome. So I was looking for a partner. And our current friend, Carl Escenbach, he introduced us to each other, and we instantly clicked. And this is the type of job where it's uh either work well or it doesn't. It cannot be anything in the middle. >> Right, okay with Carl, we know Carl well. Awesome operator. Knows the business super well. So Rob, what attracted you to UIPATH? You had a great situation at google. You guys were growing like crazy. Why did you decide to come here? What did you see that attracted you? >> Yeah you know when I, when I went to google, I went to google because I really believed that data and AI was necessary for companies. And business is to be competitive in the future. And we did some great stuff at google cloud in the 3 years. But I knew UIPATH from a couple of years ago when they were mainly a RPA space. And I just felt that there was a place in time when automation was going expand. And as I sat down with Carl a couple of times, spoke to carl. And then I sat down with Daniel, I knew that there was something special with UIPATH, that could be a generational opportunity. Not any for myself but for the company in the future. And then I, you know I got to know Daniel. And at this stage of my career I was like, I'm pretty fussy about what I want to do and what I want and where I want to go. First of all, I want to go to a company that had great product, had a great culture, and I wanted to work with somebody that we could shake the future together and you know, Daniel and I just hit it off from the very first time we met. He got to meet my family, my dogs and we did the whole, we did the whole courting thing before we actually decided this was going to be a good thing for both of us. >> Dave: That's good. >> Rob: Yeah. >> Dave: You got to meet the family. That's very good. >> We just had, John Furrier and I just had, Mohit Aron and Sanjay Poonen into out studio. Cause Mohit, you know, formal google. Long time. And they decided to kind of split duties. Mohit's going into product, he didn't keep his CEO title. He walked. How are you guys splitting you time? What are each of you going to, responsible for? >> Daniel: Well its, its kind of similar. On a day by day operation I, I rely heavily on Rob. We do it together. Strategic decisions about the company's destiny. I'm doing mostly the product these days. Which is a big relief for me. And I think we also split a bit of customers visit. Which is great. I still enjoy meeting customers. I need, customers are food for my cause. >> Dave: (laughs) yeah and your awesome product visionary. You've been there since day one. Now Rob, you said in the key note today that you've seen around about a hundred customers. You've transverse the world. What did you learn from them that informed you? That gave you confidence that the the move to the internet platform, even though you had already started that. >> Male: Yeah. >> But you're really doubling down on that >> Rob: You know when I... >> from a stand point. >> Rob: You know Dave, when you think about it, like I was, I was so impressed that Daniel had the vision to create a platform 3 years ago. >> Dave: Yeah. >> All right. And as we went around the world. As I went around the world, and it was one of the very first things I've seen. I've got to understand how customers see UIPATH, from their advantage point. What are they looking for from us? Why is this company, why doe customers like this company so much? And as I went around the world. I went to Asia a couple, I went to Asia, Australia, Singapore, Japan. I was in Europe twice. We did the trip together. We went to visit customers. And it was very much the same thing. Helps us expand automation faster. And we are so surprise, at the break of your platform. We never knew that. And so it kind of just had, for me, it was conviction. It's like, this walls is the right decision you've made. There's so much opportunity there. And that's, you know that's kind of what I've learned through the last four five months. >> Dave: Now as you know Daniel, I've written a lot about your company. One of the things I've said is that, that start ups, if I can call you that back pre-IPO, typically don't have as much international exposure as UIPATH had. I mean you sort of, you sort of started as an international company and became more US centric. You said, in the, in the key note today, you're talking to Ray Wong about people may don't understand that challenges of FX. Point being, when you convert international dollars into US dollars there are less of them cause the dollars stronger. But still, I've always felt like that international footprint is an advantage. Rob you came from SAP, you know, again European based company. I don't, (stutters), do you regret that? Now? I mean I know it's technical, I'm sure you don't, but talk about that sort of international exposure? Why that's a long term benefit. >> Well, you, first of all, you expand faster. I think we expanded faster than our competition because our global footprint was larger. And we had the courage. Go in Japan, for instance. Everybody told me, it's impossible to make for such a small starter. It's impossible to make a business in Japan. But we didn't believe it. We're just crazy and we went there, and be built a very sizable business in Japan. Fifty-five percent of our revenue, even today, it's outside U.S. Now of course that has a down side. When uh, When the local currencies, you know, are losing the value compared to the dollars, we're impacted. As we go to... to investors, until now, so we are seeing like a (indistinct) in terms of ARI. It's huge. Only because (indistinct) and losing the business in Russia. But it still, it's the strength of our company. Things will come back. And then, you know, the growth engine will re-accelerate again. >> Dave: Yeah but when the dollars weakens that'll be in your favor. Rob I want to pick up on something you said today in your keynote. You went back and started, you know the cycles of ERP and you know, internet, et cetera. I kind of have a love hate with ERP. I have to be honest. >> Male: (laughing) >> But it, but but (chuckles) but if I go back to that. Late eighties nineties, you wouldn't have be able to pick SAP as the winner. And then SAP emerged. You know, very clearly. But the more interesting thing, is that the customers who are implementing ERP well. The practitioners did better than their peers, and dominated their industries. And their stocks went up. Their evaluations went up. Different worlds obviously but, do you see the same thing happening with RPA and automation? What gives you confidence that that's the case? >> I absolutely do see the same thing happening with automation and RPA being a part of, in being a part of that. The reason, the reason I believe that is speed is so critical. (stutters) And if you think about how hard it is for a CIO or a c level executive to consume the technology coming at them, plus all the changes in the world being thrown at them. It's compiling and compiling and compiling. We have an incredible solution, that can help companies. And there comes certain times, the love outcomes to the business. Like no one else gets. And when I see that, I view that as just like the beginning of what's going to happen in the future so, in many ways, and I've said this to many of my friends, it feels like 1992, 1993 to me. And it's interesting because no one really understood then why SAP would be great in 1992 and 93. And they got a couple of things right. They got the eco system right. Their new partners were important. And the knew they needed to drive business outcome for companies, in which they did. And so I feel like we are in a very similar place. Very different technology obviously. And the speed of change now is so dramatic, compared to what it was. And there's very few technology that can provide that level of speed and accomodation to their customers. >> All right, let's talk about priorities. You guys got a lot of work to do and you've, you've laid it out to the financial community. You've got to have profitable growth, because of FX, it part, you've lowered your forecast. But I think there's some conservative in their as well. Um, but you got to do that balance. You've given some guidance on gross margins. Cloud maybe brings that down a little bit. RnD I saw wide range. Thirteen to seventeen percent. I hope you keep spending on RnD. Big fan of that. You know stock buybacks and, RnD if in your position are going to be better. And the product priorities, continue to build that out. But question, let's start with the product. So you've got an on-prem stack and you've got a cloud stack that's emerging, how do you balance those out? How do you do the integration? You've done a great job with the integration. Does it, are you concerned about your ability to continue to work at that speed with two code bases? I wonder if you could address that? >> Daniel: We've become a cloud first company. We deliver all of our products first in the cloud. We've deliver on the two week (indistinct) in the cloud. So that helps us integrate quite fast. I think we made a very good business decision to build our cloud team in Seattle. In Bellevue to be specific. And we have access to great talent that knows how to build serious cloud service. Which is hard to find dollar. And uh, so, and also we, we have, we benef- one of our only benefits was, we have the really good architecture. We have an architecture that work easily on-prem and on the cloud. And even today, our work flow foundation, our local designers, were easy to modernize. So right now we are launching studio weapon. But behind the scene, it's the same workflow engine. Our customers don't have to rewrite anything. It just works. And it does the same to take our own brand product and brand it in the multicloud. So, it's, there is no friction at all. Actually cloud is just helping us accelerate. But we benefit then again of a really solid architectural foundation. >> Daniel: Architecture matters. We've seen that in this industry. We got the B52s rocking out in the background, I love it, but I've got so many questions for you guys. I want to talk about the go to market. Because Rob, it's obviously a strength of yours. You've come in. You've communicated to the street, that you're reshaping the sales floors. Are they lowering the ratios of sales? People, the customers at the high end, mid range as well, using digital. I mean the numbers are one to ten now. At the top. One to maybe fifty at the mid range. Where are you in terms of that journey? You've got to find people, you got to train them, how do you get the productivity out of those guys? Take us through your thinking there? >> Rob: Yeah firstly, I think we have enough resources. Having resources is not an issue. Um, we have an incredible vehicle to acquire customers inside the company. Our digital sales motion, it's probably the best I've seen. And so we have the ability to acquire customers really fast. And we get the first workload in really fast. The challenge is we need to, we need to be able to drive a (indistinct) model and we graduate customs when we acquire them into the direct sales floors. And then direct sales floors, we're not going to go one to thirty, we're talking one to ten for the direct sales floor. And even the high up in the pyramid, we want to have an even denser model than that. And the whole purpose is to drive the time to consumption much quicker, much faster. So we know exactly if we acquire a customer, will they spend? Do they have a (indistinct) spend? On what level do they have a (indistinct) spend? And therefore when we capture them, we can immediately surround them, and put the right resources so we can grow faster. We think this will have a significant impact on the organization. We'll start to implement certain pieces in the next quarter. Um, things like packaging solutions. Putting them in, enabling the sales organization. And buy the beginning of next year, we'll be ready to actually go full board, globally. We already put some pieces in place when I joined. Chris Weber, my chief business officer, did a great job doing some of those pieces. So we're on the journey already. >> Dave: Yeah and even before you guys were public and you weren't publishing your NRR numbers. Our ETR survey partner, we, we always thought you had very low churn. And I think you broke out just yesterday. The, the NRR for overseas vs U.S, U.S I think was 140 plus percent. >> Male: Yeah >> Very very strong. A little, a little less overseas but the churn is still very low. >> Male: Yep. >> Okay so that's super positive. Customer affinity, I was wanted to code these events. I listen to the key notes very carefully, and then interview customers on the cube, and I try to identify, is there alignment there? And I see very strong alignment, I have to say, and strong customer affinity. So that's in your favor. I have, Daniel, I got another question for you on product. What is Symantec automation? What the heck is that? Can you explain that? I don't understand >> Dave, have you seen the demo in my (indistinct)? >> Dave: You know, I had to leave and do interviews, so I, uh, I missed it. >> I think, I think that demo answer complete your question. So in the s-, you know there saying that great, you can not distinguish great technology by magic. I think technology should be simple. And we, we show today, one of the simplest demo that you can imagine. But it's so, such a complex technology behind the scene, that you also can not imagine. So what was demo? We show how one business user, without any technical skills, can build any type of document. Can be a passport, can be an invoice, can be a legal (indistinct), and just go, "I want to copy data from here, and I want to paste data there". Can be a spreadsheet, can be another obligation, and like a human user, without understanding, without having prior knowledge about data, document layout, about screens, screens layouts, nothing, we analyze real time. Document. We discover, we discover the meaning of the information. We analyze the screen. We understand the screen but we understand the meaning of the screen. And we understand how the information in one side relate to the other side. And we just connects the dots and we copy the information and we paste it. A job that you'll do as a human user, maybe three minutes, is done in ten seconds. This is powerful. >> Yeah that is powerful. Thank you for that. I mean, and you take the date, whether it's transaction data or unstructured data and and and bring meaning out of it. That's powerful. Last question and I'll let you guys go. Rob, you got traders, and you've got long term investors. All right traders going to be defensive, today. I get that. Make the case for UIPATH, for long term investors. >> Rob: I think we're going to be a multi-gern- multi-billion company and we're going to be a generational company of our time. And we will define enterprise automation. And it's going to be a long term game and we feel like really strong that we'll be the lead in that game. >> Dave: Guys, thanks so much for coming to the cube. Great show. Always fun at UiPath Forward. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. >> Thanks dave. >> Appreciate it as well. >> Okay wrap it up, day one, we're here tomorrow, first thing, Dave Vellante and Dave Nicholson. Thanks for watching, forward 5, Uipath big customer event, we'll see you tomorrow. (music)

(bright music) >> "Supermetafragilisticexpialadotious." What's in a name? In an homage to the inimitable Charles Fitzgerald, we've chosen this title for today's session because of all the buzz surrounding "supercloud," a term that we introduced last year to signify a major architectural trend and shift that's occurring in the technology industry. Since that time, we've published numerous videos and articles on the topic, and on August 9th, kicked off "Supercloud22," an open industry event designed to advance the supercloud conversation, gathering input from more than 30 experienced technologists and business leaders in "The Cube" and broader technology community. We're talking about individuals like Benoit Dageville, Kit Colbert, Ali Ghodsi, Mohit Aron, David McJannet, and dozens of other experts. And today, we're pleased to welcome David Linthicum, who's a Chief Strategy Officer of Cloud Services at Deloitte Consulting. David is a technology visionary, a technical CTO. He's an author and a frequently sought after keynote speaker at high profile conferences like "VMware Explore" next week. David Linthicum, welcome back to "The Cube." Good to see you again. >> Oh, it's great to be here. Thanks for the invitation. Thanks for having me. >> Yeah, you're very welcome. Okay, so this topic of supercloud, what you call metacloud, has created a lot of interest. VMware calls it cross-cloud services, Snowflake calls it their data cloud, there's a lot of different names, but recently, you published a piece in "InfoWorld" where you said the following. "I really don't care what we call it, "and I really don't care if I put "my own buzzword into the mix. "However, this does not change the fact "that metacloud is perhaps the most important "architectural evolution occurring right now, "and we need to get this right out of the gate. "If we do that, who cares what it's named?" So very cool. And you also mentioned in a recent article that you don't like to put out new terms out in the wild without defining them. So what is a metacloud, or what we call supercloud? What's your definition? >> Yeah, and again, I don't care what people call it. The reality is it's the ability to have a layer of cross-cloud services. It sits above existing public cloud providers. So the idea here is that instead of building different security systems, different governance systems, different operational systems in each specific cloud provider, using whatever native features they provide, we're trying to do that in a cross-cloud way. So in other words, we're pushing out data integration, security, all these other things that we have to take care of as part of deploying a particular cloud provider. And in a multicloud scenario, we're building those in and between the clouds. And so we've been tracking this for about five years. We understood that multicloud is not necessarily about the particular public cloud providers, it's about things that you build in and between the clouds. >> Got it, okay. So I want to come back to that, to the definition, but I want to tie us to the so-called multicloud. You guys did a survey recently. We've said that multicloud was mostly a symptom of multi-vendor, Shadow Cloud, M&A, and only recently has become a strategic imperative. Now, Deloitte published a survey recently entitled "Closing the Cloud Strategy, Technology, Innovation Gap," and I'd like to explore that a little bit. And so in that survey, you showed data. What I liked about it is you went beyond what we all know, right? The old, "Our research shows that on average, "X number of clouds are used at an individual company." I mean, you had that too, but you really went deeper. You identified why companies are using multiple clouds, and you developed different categories of practitioners across 500 survey respondents. But the reasons were very clear for "why multicloud," as this becomes more strategic. Service choice scale, negotiating leverage, improved business resiliency, minimizing lock-in, interoperability of data, et cetera. So my question to you, David, is what's the problem supercloud or metacloud solves, and what's different from multicloud? >> That's a great question. The reality is that if we're... Well, supercloud or metacloud, whatever, is really something that exists above a multicloud, but I kind of view them as the same thing. It's an architectural pattern. We can name it anything. But the reality is that if we're moving to these multicloud environments, we're doing so to leverage best of breed things. In other words, best of breed technology to provide the innovators within the company to take the business to the next level, and we determine that in the survey. And so if we're looking at what a multicloud provides, it's the ability to provide different choices of different services or piece parts that allows us to build anything that we need to do. And so what we found in the survey and what we found in just practice in dealing with our clients is that ultimately, the value of cloud computing is going to be the innovation aspects. In other words, the ability to take the company to the next level from being more innovative and more disruptive in the marketplace that they're in. And the only way to do that, instead of basically leveraging the services of a particular walled garden of a single public cloud provider, is to cast a wider net and get out and leverage all kinds of services to make these happen. So if you think about that, that's basically how multicloud has evolved. In other words, it wasn't planned. They didn't say, "We're going to go do a multicloud." It was different developers and innovators in the company that went off and leveraged these cloud services, sometimes with the consent of IT leadership, sometimes not. And now we have these multitudes of different services that we're leveraging. And so many of these enterprises are going from 1000 to, say, 3000 services under management. That creates a complexity problem. We have a problem of heterogeneity, different platforms, different tools, different services, different AI technology, database technology, things like that. So the metacloud, or the supercloud, or whatever you want to call it, is the ability to deal with that complexity on the complexity's terms. And so instead of building all these various things that we have to do individually in each of the cloud providers, we're trying to do so within a cross-cloud service layer. We're trying to create this layer of technology, which removes us from dealing with the complexity of the underlying multicloud services and makes it manageable. Because right now, I think we're getting to a point of complexity we just can't operate it at the budgetary limits that we are right now. We can't keep the number of skills around, the number of operators around, to keep these things going. We're going to have to get creative in terms of how we manage these things, how we manage a multicloud. And that's where the supercloud, metacloud, whatever they want to call it, comes that. >> Yeah, and as John Furrier likes to say, in IT, we tend to solve complexity with more complexity, and that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about simplifying, and you talked about the abstraction layer, and then it sounds like I'm inferring more. There's value that's added on top of that. And then you also said the hyperscalers are in a walled garden. So I've been asked, why aren't the hyperscalers superclouds? And I've said, essentially, they want to put your data into their cloud and keep it there. Now, that doesn't mean they won't eventually get into that. We've seen examples a little bit, Outposts, Anthos, Azure Arc, but the hyperscalers really aren't building superclouds or metaclouds, at least today, are they? >> No, they're not. And I always have the predictions for every major cloud conference that this is the conference that the hyperscaler is going to figure out some sort of a multicloud across-cloud strategy. In other words, building services that are able to operate across clouds. That really has never happened. It has happened in dribs and drabs, and you just mentioned a few examples of that, but the ability to own the space, to understand that we're not going to be the center of the universe in how people are going to leverage it, is going to be multiple things, including legacy systems and other cloud providers, and even industry clouds that are emerging these days, and SaaS providers, and all these things. So we're going to assist you in dealing with complexity, and we're going to provide the core services of being there. That hasn't happened yet. And they may be worried about conflicting their market, and the messaging is a bit different, even actively pushing back on the concept of multicloud, but the reality is the market's going to take them there. So in other words, if enough of their customers are asking for this and asking that they take the lead in building these cross-cloud technologies, even if they're participating in the stack and not being the stack, it's too compelling of a market that it's not going to drag a lot of the existing public cloud providers there. >> Well, it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out, David, because I never say never when it comes to a company like AWS, and we've seen how fast they move. And at the same time, they don't want to be commoditized. There's the layer underneath all this infrastructure, and they got this ecosystem that's adding all this tremendous value. But I want to ask you, what are the essential elements of supercloud, coming back to the definition, if you will, and what's different about metacloud, as you call it, from plain old SaaS or PaaS? What are the key elements there? >> Well, the key elements would be holistic management of all of the IT infrastructure. So even though it's sitting above a multicloud, I view metacloud, supercloud as the ability to also manage your existing legacy systems, your existing security stack, your existing network operations, basically everything that exists under the purview of IT. If you think about it, we're moving our infrastructure into the clouds, and we're probably going to hit a saturation point of about 70%. And really, if the supercloud, metacloud, which is going to be expensive to build for most of the enterprises, it needs to support these things holistically. So it needs to have all the services, that is going to be shareable across the different providers, and also existing legacy systems, and also edge computing, and IoT, and all these very diverse systems that we're building there right now. So if complexity is a core challenge to operate these things at scale and the ability to secure these things at scale, we have to have commonality in terms of security architecture and technology, commonality in terms of our directory services, commonality in terms of network operations, commonality in term of cloud operations, commonality in terms of FinOps. All these things should exist in some holistic cross-cloud layer that sits above all this complexity. And you pointed out something very profound. In other words, that is going to mean that we're hiding a lot of the existing cloud providers in terms of their interfaces and dashboards and things like that that we're dealing with today, their APIs. But the reality is that if we're able to manage these things at scale, the public cloud providers are going to benefit greatly from that. They're going to sell more services because people are going to find they're able to leverage them easier. And so in other words, if we're removing the complexity wall, which many in the industry are calling it right now, then suddenly we're moving from, say, the 25 to 30% migrated in the cloud, which most enterprises are today, to 50, 60, 70%. And we're able to do this at scale, and we're doing it at scale because we're providing some architectural optimization through the supercloud, metacloud layer. >> Okay, thanks for that. David, I just want to tap your CTO brain for a minute. At "Supercloud22," we came up with these three deployment models. Kit Colbert put forth the idea that one model would be your control planes running in one cloud, let's say AWS, but it interacts with and can manage and deploy on other clouds, the Kubernetes Cluster Management System. The second one, Mohit Aron from Cohesity laid out, where you instantiate the stack on different clouds and different cloud regions, and then you create a layer, a common interface across those. And then Snowflake was the third deployment model where it's a single global instance, it's one instantiation, and basically building out their own cloud across these regions. Help us parse through that. Do those seem like reasonable deployment models to you? Do you have any thoughts on that? >> Yeah, I mean, that's a distributed computing trick we've been doing, which is, in essence, an agent of the supercloud that's carrying out some of the cloud native functions on that particular cloud, but is, in essence, a slave to the metacloud, or the supercloud, whatever, that's able to run across the various cloud providers. In other words, when it wants to access a service, it may not go directly to that service. It goes directly to the control plane, and that control plane is responsible... Very much like Kubernetes and Docker works, that control plane is responsible for reaching out and leveraging those native services. I think that that's thinking that's a step in the right direction. I think these things unto themselves, at least initially, are going to be a very complex array of technology. Even though we're trying to remove complexity, the supercloud unto itself, in terms of the ability to build this thing that's able to operate at scale across-cloud, is going to be a collection of many different technologies that are interfacing with the public cloud providers in different ways. And so we can start putting these meta architectures together, and I certainly have written and spoke about this for years, but initially, this is going to be something that may escape the detail or the holistic nature of these meta architectures that people are floating around right now. >> Yeah, so I want to stay on this, because anytime I get a CTO brain, I like to... I'm not an engineer, but I've been around a long time, so I know a lot of buzzwords and have absorbed a lot over the years, but so you take those, the second two models, the Mohit instantiate on each cloud and each cloud region versus the Snowflake approach. I asked Benoit Dageville, "Does that mean if I'm in "an AWS east region and I want to do a query on Azure West, "I can do that without moving data?" And he said, "Yes and no." And the answer was really, "No, we actually take a subset of that data," so there's the latency problem. From those deployment model standpoints, what are the trade-offs that you see in terms of instantiating the stack on each individual cloud versus that single instance? Is there a benefit of the single instance for governance and security and simplicity, but a trade-off on latency, or am I overthinking this? >> Yeah, you hit it on the nose. The reality is that the trade-off is going to be latency and performance. If we get wiggy with the distributed nature, like the distributed data example you just provided, we have to basically separate the queries and communicate with the databases on each instance, and then reassemble the result set that goes back to the people who are recording it. And so we can do caching systems and things like that. But the reality is, if it's distributed system, we're going to have latency and bandwidth issues that are going to be limiting us. And also security issues, because if we're removing lots of information over the open internet, or even private circuits, that those are going to be attack vectors that hackers can leverage. You have to keep that in mind. We're trying to reduce those attack vectors. So it would be, in many instances, and I think we have to think about this, that we're going to keep the data in the same physical region for just that. So in other words, it's going to provide the best performance and also the most simplistic access to dealing with security. And so we're not, in essence, thinking about where the data's going, how it's moving across things, things like that. So the challenge is going to be is when you're dealing with a supercloud or metacloud is, when do you make those decisions? And I think, in many instances, even though we're leveraging multiple databases across multiple regions and multiple public cloud providers, and that's the idea of it, we're still going to localize the data for performance reasons. I mean, I just wrote a blog in "InfoWorld" a couple of months ago and talked about, people who are trying to distribute data across different public cloud providers for different reasons, distribute an application development system, things like that, you can do it. With enough time and money, you can do anything. I think the challenge is going to be operating that thing, and also providing a viable business return based on the application. And so why it may look like a good science experiment, and it's cool unto itself as an architect, the reality is the more pragmatic approach is going to be a leavitt in a single region on a single cloud. >> Very interesting. The other reason I like to talk to companies like Deloitte and experienced people like you is 'cause I can get... You're agnostic, right? I mean, you're technology agnostic, vendor agnostic. So I want to come back with another question, which is, how do you deal with what I call the lowest common denominator problem? What I mean by that is if one cloud has, let's say, a superior service... Let's take an example of Nitro and Graviton. AWS seems to be ahead on that, but let's say some other cloud isn't quite quite there yet, and you're building a supercloud or a metacloud. How do you rationalize that? Does it have to be like a caravan in the army where you slow down so all the slowest trucks can keep up, or are the ways to adjudicate that that are advantageous to hide that deficiency? >> Yeah, and that's a great thing about leveraging a supercloud or a metacloud is we're putting that management in a single layer. So as far as a user or even a developer on those systems, they shouldn't worry about the performance that may come back, because we're dealing with the... You hit the nail on the head with that one. The slowest component is the one that dictates performance. And so we have to have some sort of a performance management layer. We're also making dynamic decisions to move data, to move processing, from one server to the other to try to minimize the amount of latency that's coming from a single component. So the great thing about that is we're putting that volatility into a single domain, and it's making architectural decisions in terms of where something will run and where it's getting its data from, things are stored, things like that, based on the performance feedback that's coming back from the various cloud services that are under management. And so if you're running across clouds, it becomes even more interesting, because ultimately, you're going to make some architectural choices on the fly in terms of where that stuff runs based on the active dynamic performance that that public cloud provider is providing. So in other words, we may find that it automatically shut down a database service, say MySQL, on one cloud instance, and moved it to a MySQL instance on another public cloud provider because there was some sort of a performance issue that it couldn't work around. And by the way, it does so dynamically. Away from you making that decision, it's making that decision on your behalf. Again, this is a matter of abstraction, removing complexity, and dealing with complexity through abstraction and automation, and this is... That would be an example of fixing something with automation, self-healing. >> When you meet with some of the public cloud providers and they talk about on-prem private cloud, the general narrative from the hyperscalers is, "Well, that's not a cloud." Should on-prem be inclusive of supercloud, metacloud? >> Absolutely, I mean, and they're selling private cloud instances with the edge cloud that they're selling. The reality is that we're going to have to keep a certain amount of our infrastructure, including private clouds, on premise. It's something that's shrinking as a market share, and it's going to be tougher and tougher to justify as the public cloud providers become better and better at what they do, but we certainly have edge clouds now, and hyperscalers have examples of that where they run a instance of their public cloud infrastructure on premise on physical hardware and software. And the reality is, too, we have data centers and we have systems that just won't go away for another 20 or 30 years. They're just too sticky. They're uneconomically viable to move into the cloud. That's the core thing. It's not that we can't do it. The fact of the matter is we shouldn't do it, because there's not going to be an economic... There's not going to be an economic incentive of making that happen. So if we're going to create this meta layer or this infrastructure which is going to run across clouds, and everybody agrees on, that's what the supercloud is, we have to include the on-premise systems, including private clouds, including legacy systems. And by the way, include the rising number of IoT systems that are out there, and edge-based systems out there. So we're managing it using the same infrastructure into cloud services. So they have metadata systems and they have specialized services, and service finance and retail and things like doing risk analytics. So it gets them further down that path, but not necessarily giving them a SaaS application where they're forced into all of the business processes. We're giving you piece parts. So we'll give you 1000 different parts that are related to the finance industry. You can assemble anything you need, but the thing is, it's not going to be like building it from scratch. We're going to give you risk analytics, we're giving you the financial analytics, all these things that you can leverage within your applications how you want to leverage them. We'll maintain them. So in other words, you don't have to maintain 'em just like a cloud service. And suddenly, we can build applications in a couple of weeks that used to take a couple of months, in some cases, a couple of years. So that seems to be a large take of it moving forward. So get it up in the supercloud. Those become just other services that are under managed... That are under management on the supercloud, the metacloud. So we're able to take those services, abstract them, assemble them, use them in different applications. And the ability to manage where those services are originated versus where they're consumed is going to be managed by the supercloud layer, which, you're dealing with the governance, the service governance, the security systems, the directory systems, identity access management, things like that. They're going to get you further along down the pike, and that comes back as real value. If I'm able to build something in two weeks that used to take me two months, and I'm able to give my creators in the organization the ability to move faster, that's a real advantage. And suddenly, we are going to be valued by our digital footprint, our ability to do things in a creative and innovative way. And so organizations are able to move that fast, leveraging cloud computing for what it should be leveraged, as a true force multiplier for the business. They're going to win the game. They're going to get the most value. They're going to be around in 20 years, the others won't. >> David Linthicum, always love talking. You have a dangerous combination of business and technology expertise. Let's tease. "VMware Explore" next week, you're giving a keynote, if they're going to be there. Which day are you? >> Tuesday. Tuesday, 11 o'clock. >> All right, that's a big day. Tuesday, 11 o'clock. And David, please do stop by "The Cube." We're in Moscone West. Love to get you on and continue this conversation. I got 100 more questions for you. Really appreciate your time. >> I always love talking to people at "The Cube." Thank you very much. >> All right, and thanks for watching our ongoing coverage of "Supercloud22" on "The Cube," your leader in enterprise tech and emerging tech coverage. (bright music)

(upbeat music) >> Hello everyone, welcome to the special CUBE presentation of the AWS Partner Showcase season one, episode two. I'm John Furrier, your host of theCUBE. We've got two great guest here. Douglas Ko, Director of product marketing at Cohesity and Sabina Joseph General Manager of AWS, Amazon Web Services. Welcome to the show. >> Thank you for having us. >> Great to see you Sabina and Douglas. Great to see you, congratulations at Cohesity. Loved the shirt, got the colors wearing there on Cohesity, Always good I can't miss your booth at the shows, can't wait to get back in person, but thanks for coming in remotely. I got to say it's super excited to chat with you, appreciate it. >> Yeah, pleasure to be here. >> What are the trends you're seeing in the market when it comes to ransomware threats right now. You guys are in the middle of it right now more than ever. I was hearing more and more about security, cloud scale, cloud refactoring. You guys are in the middle of it. What's the latest trends in ransomware? >> Yeah, I have to say John, it's a pleasure to be here but on the other hand, when you asked me about ransomware, right? The data and the statistics are pretty sobering right now. If we look at what just happened in 2020 to 2021, we saw a tenfold increase in a ransomware attacks. We also saw the prediction of a ransomware attack happening every 11 seconds meaning by the time I finished this sentence there's going to be another company falling victim to ransomware. And it's also expected by 2031 that the global impact of ransomware across businesses will be over $260 billion, right? So, that's huge. And even at Cohesisity, right, what we saw, we did our own survey, and this one actually directly to end users and consumers. And what we found was over 70% of them would reconsider doing business with a company that paid a ransom. So all these things are pretty alarming and pretty big problems that we face today in our industry. >> Yeah, there's so many dimensions to it. I mean, you guys at Cohesity have been doing a while. It's being baked in from day one, security in the cloud and backup recovery, all that is kind of all in one thing now. So to protect against ransomware and other threats is huge Sabina, I got to ask you Amazon's view of ransomware is serious. You guys take it very seriously. What's the posture and specifically, what is AWS doing to protect customers from this threat? >> Yeah, so as Doug mentioned, right, there's no industry that's immune to ransomware attacks. And just as so we all level set, right? What it means is somebody taking control over and locking your data as an individual or as a company, and then demanding a ransom for it, right? According to the NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology cybersecurity framework, there are basically five main functions which are needed in order to plan and manage these kind of cybersecurity ransomware attacks. They go across identifying what do you need to protect, actually implementing the things that you need in order to protect yourself, detecting things if there is an attack that's going on, then also responding, how do you get out of this attack? And then bringing things, recovery, right? Bringing things back to where they were before the attack. As we all know, AWS takes security very seriously. We want to make sure that our customer's data is always protected. We have a number of native security solutions, but we are also looking to see how we can work with partners. And this is in fact when in the fall of 2019, the Cohesity CEO, Mohit Aron, myself and a couple of us, we met and we brainstorm, what could we do something that is differentiated in the market? When we built this data management as a service native solution on top of AWS, it's a first of a kind solution, John. It doesn't exist anywhere else in the market, even to even today. And we really focused on using the well architected review, the five pillars of security, reliability, operational excellence, performance, and cost optimization. And we built this differentiated solution together, and it was launched in April, 2020. And then of course from a customer viewpoint, they should use a comprehensive set of solutions. And going back to that security, that cyber security framework that I mentioned, the Cohesity data management as a service solution really falls into that recovery, that last area that I mentioned and solution actually provides, granular management of data, protection of data. Customers can spin up things very quickly and really scale their solution across the globe. And ensure that there is compliance, no matter how many times we do data changes, ads and so on across the world. >> Yeah, Sabina, that's a great point about that because a lot of the ransomware actually got bad actors, but also customers can misconfigure things. They don't follow the best practice. So having that native solutions are super important. So that's a great call out. Douglas, I got to go back to you because you're on the Cohesity side and a the partner of AWS. They have all these best practices that for the good actors, got to pay attention to the best practices and the bad actors also trying to get in creates a two, challenge an opportunity. So how do organizations protect their data against these attacks? And also how do they maintain their best practices? Because that's half the battle too, is the best practices to make sure you're following the guidelines on AWS side, as well as protecting the attacks. What's your thoughts? >> Yeah, absolutely. First and foremost, right? As an organization, you need to understand how ransomware operates and how it's evolved over the years. And when you first look at it, Sabina already mentioned it, they started with consumers, small businesses, attacking their data, right? And some of these, consumers or businesses didn't have any backup. So the first step is just to make sure your data is backed up, but then the criminals kind of went up market, right? They understood that big organizations had big pocket and purses. So they went after them and the larger organizations do have backup and recovery solutions in place. So the criminals knew that they had to go deeper, right? And what they did was they went after the backup systems themselves and went to attack, delete, tamper with those backup systems and make it difficult or impossible to recover. And that really highlighted some solutions is out there that had some vulnerabilities with their data immutability and capabilities around WORM. And those are areas we suggest customers look at, that have immutability and WORM. And more recently again, given the way attacks have happened now is really to add another layer of defense and protection. And that includes, traditionally what we used to call, the 3-2-1 rule. And that basically means, three copies of data on two different sets of media with one piece of that data offsite, right? And in today's world and the cloud, right? That's a great opportunity to kind of modernize your environment. I wish that was all that ransomware guys we're doing right now and the criminals were doing, but unfortunately that's not the case. And what we've seen is over the past two years specifically, we've seen a huge increase in what you would call data theft or data exfiltration. And that essentially is them taking that data, a specific sense of the data and they're threatening to expose it to the dark web or selling it to the highest bidder. So in this situation it's honestly very difficult to manage. And the biggest thing you could do is obviously harden your security systems, but also you need a good understanding about your data, right? Where all that sensitive information is, who has access to it and what are the potential risks of that data being exposed. So that takes another step in terms of leveraging a bunch of technologies to help with that problem set. >> What can businesses do from an architectural standpoint and platform standpoint that you guys see there's key guiding principles around how their mindset should be? What's the examples of other approaches- >> Yeah. >> Approach here? >> No, I think they are both us at Cohesity and I'll speak for Sabina, AWS, we believe in a platform approach. And the reason for that is this a very complicated problem and the more tools and more things you have in there, you add risk of complexity, even potential new attack surfaces that the criminals can go after. So we believe the architecture approach should kind of have some key elements. One is around data resiliency, right? And that again comes from things like data encryption, your own data is encrypted by your own keys, that the data is immutable and has that, right, want to read many or WORM capabilities, so the bad guys can't temper with your data, right? That's just step one. Step two is really understanding and having the right access controls within your environment, right? And that means having multi factor authentication, quorum, meaning having two keys for the closet before you can actually have access to it. But it's got to go beyond there as well too. We got to leverage some newer technologies like AI and machine learning. And that can help you with detection and analysis of both where all your sensitive information is, right? As well as understanding potential anomalies that could signify attack or threat in progress. So, those are all key elements. And the last one of course is I think it takes a village, right? To fight the ransomware war. So we know we can't do it alone so, that's why we partner with people like AWS. That's why we also partner with other people in the security space to ensure you really have a full ecosystem support to manage all those things around that framework. >> That's awesome. Before I get to Sabina, I want to get into the relationship real quick, but I want to come back and highlight what you said about the data management as a service. This is a joint collaboration. This is some of the innovation that Cohesity and AWS are bringing to the market to combat ransomware. Can you elaborate more on that piece 'cause this is important. It's a collaboration that we're going to gather. So it's a partner and you guys were going to take us through what that means for the customer and to you guys. I mean, that's a compelling offering. >> So when we start to work with partners, right? we want to make sure that we are solving a customer problem. That's the whole working backwards from a customer. We are adding something more that the customer could not do. That's why when either my team or me, we start to either work on a new partnership or a new solution, it's always focused on, okay, is this solution enabling our customer to do something that they couldn't do before? And this approach has really helped us, John, in enabling majority of the fortune 500 companies and 90% of the fortune 100 companies use partner solutions successfully. But it's not just focused on innovation and technology, it's also focused on the business side. How are we helping partners grow their business? And we've been scaling our field teams, our AWS sales teams globally. But what we realized is through partner feedback, in fact, that we were not doing a great job in helping our partners close those opportunities and also bring net new opportunities. So in our field, we actually introduced a new role called the ISV Success Manager, ISMs that are embedded in our field to help partners either close existing opportunities, but also bring net new opportunities to them. And then at re:Invent 2020, we also launched the ISB accelerate program, which enables our field teams, the AWS field teams to get incentive to work with our partners. Cohesity, of course, participates in all of these programs and has access to all of these resources. And they've done a great job in leveraging and bringing our field teams together, which has resulted in hundreds of wins for this data management as a service solution that was launched. >> So you're bringing customers to Cohesity. >> Absolutely. >> Okay, I got to get the side. So they're helping you, how's this relationship going? Could you talk about the relationship on the customer side? How's that going? Douglas, what's your take on that? >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's going great. That's why we chose to partner with AWS and to be quite honest, as Sabina mentioned, we really only launched data management and service back in 2020, late 2020. And at that time we launched with just one service then, right, when we first launched with backup as a service. Now about 15 months later, right? We're on the brink of launching four services that are running on AWS cloud. So, without the level of support, both from a go to market standpoint that Sabina mentioned as well as the engineering and the available technology services that are on the AWS Cloud, right? There's no way we would've been able to spin up new services in such a short period of time. >> Is that Fort Knox and Data Govern, those are the services you're talking about Or is that- >> Yeah, so let me walk you through it. Yeah, so we have Cohesity DataProtect, which is our backup as a service solution. And that helps customers back their data to the cloud, on-prem, SaaS, cloud data like AWS, all in a single service and allows you to recover from ransomware, right? But a couple months ago we also announced a couple new services that you're alluding to John. And that is around Fort Knox and DataGovern. And basically Fort Knox, it is basically our SaaS solution for data isolation to a vaulted copy in the AWS cloud. And the goal of that is to really make it very simple for customers, not only to provide data immutability, but also that extra layer of protection by moving that data offsite and keeping it secure and vaulted away from cyber criminals and ransomware. And what we're doing is simplifying the whole process that normally is manual, right? You either do it manually with tapes or you'll manually replicate data to another data center or even to the cloud, but we're providing it as a service model, basically providing a modern 3-2-1 approach, right? For the cloud era. So, that's what's cool about Fort Knox, DataGovern, right? That's also a new service that we announced a few months ago and that really provides data governance and user behavior analytics services that leverages a lot that AI machine learning that everybody's so excited about. But really the application of that is to automate the discovery of sensitive data. So that could be your credit card numbers, healthcare records, a personal information of customers. So understanding where all that data is, is very important because that's the data that the criminals are going to go after and hold you host. So that's kind of step one. And then step two is again, leveraging machine learning, actually looking at how users are accessing and managing that data is also super important because that's going to help you identify potential anomalies, such as people sharing that data externally, which could be a threat. It could be in improper vault permissions, or other suspicious behaviors that could potentially signify data exfiltration or ransomware attack in progress. >> That's some great innovation. You got the data resiliency, of course, the control mechanism, but the AI piece machine learning is awesome. So congratulations on that innovation. Sabina, I'm listening to conversation and hear you talk. And it reminds me of our chat at re:Invent. And the whole theme of the conference was about the innovation and rapid innovations and how companies are refactoring with the cloud and this NextGen kind of journey. This is a fundamental pillar of AWS's rapid innovation concept with your partners. And I won't say it's new, but it's highly accelerated. How are you guys helping partners be with this rapid innovation, 'cause you're seeing benefits can come faster now, Agile is here. What are some of the programs that you're doing? How are you helping customers take advantage of the rapid innovation with the secret sauce of AWS? >> Yeah, so we have a number of leadership principles, John, and one of them, of course, is customer obsession. We are very focused on making sure we are developing things that our customers need. And we look for these very same qualities when we work with partners such as Cohesity. We want to make sure that it's a win-win approach for both sides because that's what will make the partnership durable over time. And this John, our leadership team at AWS, right from our CEO down believes that partners are critical to our success and as partners lean in, we lean in further. And that's why we signed the strategic collaboration agreement with Cohesity in April, 2020, where data management as a service solution was launch as part of that agreement. And for us, we've launched this solution now and as Doug said, what are the next things we could be doing, right? And just to go back a little bit when Cohesity was developing this solution with us, they used a number of our programs. Especially on the technical side, they used our SaaS factory program, which really helped them build this differentiated solution, especially focused around security compliance and cost optimizing the solution. Now that we've launched this solution, just like Doug mentioned, we are now focused on leveraging other services like security, AIML, and also our analytic services. And the reason for that is Cohesity, as we all know, protects, manages this data for the customer, but we want to make sure that the customer is extracting value from this data. That is why we continue to look, what can we do to continue to differentiate this solution in this market. >> That's awesome. You guys did a great job. I got to say, as it gets more scale, there's more needs for this rapid, I won't say prototyping, but rapid innovation and the Cohesity side does was you guys have been always on point on the back and recovery and now with security and the new modern application development, you guys are in the front row seats of all the action. So, I'll give you the final worry what's going on at Cohesity, give an update on what you guys are doing. What's it like over there these days? How's life give a quick plug for Cohesity. >> Yeah, Cohesity is doing great, right? We're always adding folks to the team, on our team, we have a few open racks open both on the marketing side, as well as the technology advocacy side. And of course, some of our other departments too, and engineering and sales and also our partner teams as well, working with AWS partners such as that. So, in our mind, the data delusion and growth is not going to slow down, right? So in this case, I think all tides raises all the boats here and we're glad to be innovative leader in this space and really looking to be really, the new wave of NextGen data management providers out there that leverages things like AI that leverages cybersecurity at the core and has an ecosystem of partners that we're working with, like AWS, that we're building out to help customers better manage their data. >> It's all great. Data is in the mid center of the value proposition. Sabina, great to see you again, thanks for sharing. And Douglas, great to see you too. Thanks for sharing this experience here in theCUBE. >> Thanks, John. >> Okay, this is theCUBE's AWS Partner Showcase special presentation, speeding innovation with AWS. I'm John Furrier your host of theCUBE. Thanks for watching. (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) >> From our studios in the heart of Silicon Valley, Palo Alto, California. This is a CUBE Conversation. >> Hi, everyone. Welcome to this CUBE Conversation here in Palo Alto, theCUBE Studios. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. We're here with two great guests, Carl Eschenbach, partner at Sequoia Capital on the board of Cohesity as well with the CMO Lynn Lucas. Lynn, great to see you. Carl, thanks for coming back on. >> Great to be here. >> Appreciate it. So Lynn, you know we've been following you guys for many many years, watching the rapid growth of Cohesity. Funding round after funding round, Unicorn. From a start up, to going through the atmosphere heading into orbit, nice growth. >> Mid-size company I would say now. >> Yeah >> Yeah >> No longer a startup. >> Growing like crazy. >> No longer a startup, yeah. >> Good round, good financing track. Thanks to Sequoia. >> Well, we're proud and happy investors and partners with them, that's for sure. >> Yeah, one of the things we're super excited about right now, Lynn I want to get your thoughts on this is that, how do you maintain the growth because cloud is an ever changing landscape, data management's really hot and changing. What's been the success formula for you guys, staying ahead? Both in terms of continuing to push the brand, push the message and success. What's been the formula? >> Well, I think it starts with our founder, Mohit Aron, and his vision and strategy which, if you go back, he's been extraordinarily consistent on and he saw this massive opportunity to take hyper-convergence, which of course he's really the father of from Nutanix and bring it to this whole other area of data, the vast majority of data that enterprises have. That is in all of these different silos and so really I think that Cohesity has this opportunity to be a once in a generation platform company much like VMware and really change the way enterprises, protect, manage, store and ultimately do more with their data. So, I'm going to say it's less about the brand. I'm proud about the brand. But, it's really about... >> You did a great job the brand, but I think the execution is. I think one thing I love about this market cloud in the next ten years ahead of us is that you can come into the market with a feature or a specific thing, like backup and turn it into a broad ranging high-growth, billions dollars of value. I think that's what you guys are on. But I, while we have Carl here, I want to put him on the spot because, you know, of his experience at VMware and now at Sequoia. What's he bringing to the table for Cohesity? What's his operational knowledge? What is some of the things Carl's brought to Cohesity? >> Oh, my gosh. >> What hasn't he brought. >> Well, Carl is obviously incredibly experienced and brings a wealth of go to market knowledge and connections and advice for us. I think instrumental in helping us see how to scale. As well as, change and shift the business model over to software and subscription. Which is what Cohesity did last year and is right in line with the move towards the cloud. >> Carl, your thoughts? >> I have to say one of the things just to echo, so thank you for those kind words. But quite frankly its all about execution and these folks at Cohesity know how to execute. If you just look at their scale over the last three years and their ability to execute. It's pretty impressive, not on the technology side only. But, if you think about their go to market motion and what they've not both here in the U.S., internationally, over into, you know, Asia and in Japan with the joint venture they have with SoftBank and some of the others. It's been amazing to watch them scale and to go market and also the ecosystem that they started to build around them and leveraging partners like HPE and Cisco as Cohesity has transitioned from being an appliance solution to being a software and data management platform and moving the hardware to other partners. It's been amazing to watch that transformation happen. So, it's technology, yes. But, it's also every other component and piece of the business that's been able to scale through good execution. >> Let's talk about the ecosystem, cause I think it's a super important, ever changing conversation. Especially as the bigger players get bigger and then the mid-size folks like you guys get bigger as well. The relationships change. You've certainly seen your share, Carl, at VMware. At VMworld every year, the ecosystem has its growth. It changes over, new value propositions are coming in. You have a constant rotation through the ecosystem dynamic. >> Yeah, no. >> What are some of the going on now that Cohesity's taken advantage of? >> What are they... >> Yeah, so because Cohesity is actually building a true platform as Lynn was articulating. If you're a platform in a data center it means two things. You have to partner with people on the south-bound side of that platform and the north-bound side of the platform because everything's going to go through a platform and because of that you form a very rich ecosystem but you also form sometimes competitors. In this world everyone I think describes it as friends and enemies. They're frenemies and they've done a very good job at that but at the same time they've really focused on key partners like an HPE or a Cisco or many others that can really differentiate themselves and allow them to focus on what they truly are and that's a data management software company. So, I think they've done a really good job navigating the ecosystem and building off of it and aligning with the right people. For example you sit here at VMWworld today. Look at the partnership they have with VMware they have V-ready, you know, certification across vsan, their infrastructure platform. Vcloud Director, AWS, you name it. So, I think they've done a great job and that's thanks to people like Lynn and the team. >> Lynn, talk about the ecosystem dynamic. Because you guys are actively market a big booth every year at VMworld as well as Amazon re:invent and other shows. You have to be out there. What are you hearing? What are some of the dynamics that your working through? >> Well speaking of VMworld and VMware they really were the original ecosystem partner and I think we believe that north of 70 percent of our customers are VMware customers and they're getting better value out of that. But, we haven't talked a lot about the cloud and that's obviously a massive ecosystem that's continuing to develop and bringing those two things together is something that Cohesity specializes in. With our native capabilities, with Amazon, Azure, Google but the other third piece of the ecosystem that we're now developing is the applications and that's unique to Cohesisty really redefining data management. Just announced Cohesity CyberScan based on Tenable running on the Cohesity platform. Prior to the, Splunk, running on the platform. So we're developing these ecosystem partnerships in new ways with application providers. >> So when are we going to see Cohesity world. (laughing) >> I am just so happy to be at Vmworld it's a great place for us to meet a lot of customers and partners. So we'll stay with that. >> Carl you were talking about, before we came on camera, about your first VMworld. You know, oh my god, it's huge, now it's even bigger. This is the opportunity for firms like Cohesity, if they continue the momentum. Building out applications which if you think about it that's an enabling technology. You can enable developers to be successful. That truly is a testament to what a true platform is. >> Yeah, again, I think, she said they don't have a big user conference yet. I don't think it will be long before we such momentum in the market that we will have a user conference at some point. Where you will see a large turnout of people using the technology. People from the ecosystem there and then developers as well and lastly you'll start to see application vendors like a Splunk or a Tenable who are actually now running their applications on top of this. This isn't just data management but it's also supporting applications and when you pull those three different you know constituents together you have a pretty big opportunity to pull off some type of platform show. >> Lynn, I got to put you on the spot here for a minute you got Carl, he's also a partner with Sequoia Venture Capital. What are the pros and cons with working with a big time tier one renowned VC like Sequoia is? Sequoia's Don Valentine is a well documented story. Moritz goes on, the young guns in there now. Get the operating experience from like the Carl's. Pretty established, they got a great business model, you know that. What's the pros and cons of working for the big time Sequoia. >> I've not seen any cons. Pros are as you said the operating experience and I think also the experience in guiding a company through this hyper growth. Cohesity is now well over 1200 employees. Last year, when you and I sat here much less than that, right? And they've seen it and done it before with other partners or with other portfolio companies that I think is one of the best pieces of advice that Carl has given us coming into our company is how to maintain that culture and that focus on the mission as we move through this tremendous growth phase. >> That's interesting, Sequoia loves you when your growing but then, but they've seen success. The cons haven't come yet. But, if you continue to grow there will be no cons. Everyone's happy and growing. But, I want to get your thoughts because Sequoia also builds world-class companies and they also, Apple the names are legendary. Your founder on theCUBE told me that he doesn't just want to get an exit. He wants to build world class company. >> That's right >> Well, exit is not as important as like EMEA. But in like public that happens. He's not in it for the cash. He wants build a durable world class company. >> That's exactly right, right Mohit has had a number of successes, Google, Nutanix. So he's not in this for the short return and we really are focused on building a culture and a set of values and a long term sustainable business and he really means what he says about. He's here to change the world and data is the foundation of what most businesses are going to compete on and he believes he can really empower organizations to do that and we can build a great culture and a great company while were helping. >> Carl when you hear that.. >> I want to piggyback off what Lynn just said and its exactly what Lynn articulated about Mohit to want to build a big enduring company that stands the test of time. If you look at our ethos at Sequoia we want to partner with founders from idea to IPO and beyond. We're not looking for a quit hit, a quick win. We want to be with them through IPO and beyond and build big legendary companies that stand the test of time and in the form of Cohesity we have that opportunity and we're well on that path to build a legendary platform company that will service both the enterprise in the cloud companies into the future. That's our mission, so I think our missions are aligned. >> Well you just answered the question I was going to ask you. That is music to your ears this is the kind of model you guys want and certainly you guys do a good job of exiting out on EMEA and doing, making your LPs a lot of money. You got to make money. >> Right, but, you know a lot of people think when our companies go public this is an exit for us. It's just an event. If we believe in the companies were going to hold long into the public market from that idea and that seed investment, like we did here at Cohesity, well beyond the IPO. >> There's a renaissance going on , I love it because two things are happening in this next 10 years. You seen a systems platform mindset come back versus the quick hits and also people want to build big companies they don't want to do the quick flips anymore. So at lot of young entrepreneurs are, they are in it for a mission. This is a new vibe. What kind of advice do you give entrepreneurs that are looking to bring that Cohesity model and get the attention of Sequoia? What are some of the things that you see as success for the young entrepreneurs out there? >> Yeah, so it is around the word mission. Like we want to partner with people that are mission driven that are going to have a huge impact on business and society as a whole and even you know the social efforts in our world. So were looking for people that want to change the trajectory of whatever it is they are addressing and we think for example with Cohesity there's a radical transformation taking place in the infrastructure and someone's got to innovate because a lot of innovators today are not coming from the incumbent it's coming from the next generation of founders like Mohit and he's very mission driven. Build a big company, service a community of people change the way people store and think about data and manage it and that mission-centric founder is one we love to partner with. >> Final question I'd love to get both your take on this question, Lynn and Carl is. When you meet someone that may not be inside the ropes of technology like the enterprise tech like we are the few and others and they ask you the question "Why is Cohesity so successful?" How do you describe the dynamics of the marketplace and Cohesity's role in it on it's success? What is the answer to that question? >> I think it's really two things. So one is I think that there is this generational shift in the architecture that underpins data and we've got a perfect storm with data doing exponential growth and as Carl's been saying there really hasn't been a lot of innovation in the infrastructure in more than a decade. Mohit saw that, but then that's combined with a mission, a passion for customers and sticking to that execution of serving the customer and that's making us successful. >> Carl your thoughts after that. >> Listen, it starts with technology and to have great technology you have to have a great technical founder and we have that in Mohit, time and time again. I can go, we've all talked about Mohit and how special he is. At the same time you need to build a company that has a special culture, that can stand the test of time, that is resilient, that has grit and has passion and perseverance for the work their doing around their mission and I think we have all of that in Cohesity and that's a lot of it's because of Mohit and people like Lynn that he's brought in around his executive team. You can just see that permeate through the entire organization. >> That's awesome. Thanks for sharing the insight. Carl, great to have you comment here with Lynn on Cohesity, I know your on the board. Lot of great things happening, looking to see what's happening at the VMware parties. Thanks for hosting some awesome events for the community. >> Can't wait to be back. Bring some of our customers on. >> Thanks for spending the time. This is theCUBE Conversation here at Palo Alto. I'm John Furrier, thanks for watching. (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) >> Live from Barcelona, Spain, it's theCUBE! Covering Ciscolive! Europe brought to you by Cisco and its ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back to Barcelona everybody. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. This is our first day of three days of coverage for Cisco live for Europe. Lynn Lucas is here, she's the chief marketing officer for Cohesity. Lynn, great to see you again. Thanks for coming on. >> Great to see you here in Europe. >> We were just saying it's the first time that we've done this on the continent so, another first. >> Yeah, another first. >> So pleased to be in the US with you guys at multiple shows, and now we're here in Barcelona. >> So it's a great venue. We've actually done you know, a number of shows here and again, it's a pleasure having you on. Let's see, let's get right to it. What's going on with you guys in Cisco? You got some news? Let's talk about it. >> Absolutely. >> As you know, we don't stop innovating, continuous innovation at Cohesity, and a number of new things. So, last week we announced a new Cisco validated design with HyperFlex, and Cohesity integrating for Snapshot. Integration for backup, and of course, instant recovery of that critical data center infrastructure and we're calling it HyperSquared. So you get full hyperconvergence for your primary and of course, your backup and other secondary applications. >> And those guys this morning talked about HyperFlex anywhere Stu so, it's like infinitive hype and infinity HyperFlex. >> HyperSquared. >> So, HyperSquared, love it. So you guys will, how's that work? Obviously you want to be the provider of data protection provider for multi-cloud. That's a huge opportunity for you guys. >> Absolutely. >> So how do you do that? You'll plug into whatever framework the customer wants, presumably a lot of customers want the Cisco framework, how does that all- >> No, absolutely, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, Cisco, obviously one of the most respected IT leaders in the world. Tens of thousands of customers globally depend on them. I'm a Cisco Alum, love being back here at the old stomping grounds. And Cisco's been an investor in Cohesity now since our Series C, so they really saw the promise and the benefit of what Cohesity offers with hyperconverge solutions for modern backup, recovery, and two year point to the cloud. You know Cisco's talking a lot about multi-cloud here and Cohesity with our native cloud integration helps customers protect those backups on, or those applications on HyperFlex. And then instantly move them to a cloud of choice and then as you've mentioned, Cisco has so many fantastic relationships that they're a very strong go to market partner with us. When customers want to buy a solution, they can get the whole solution from Cisco, including Cohesity. >> Yeah Lynn, glad we have you on. >> Because connecting the dots between something like hyperconverge, which we've been talking about for a number of years now and how that fits into multi-cloud is, it's a little clunky sometimes because like, when I've got my data center am I just doing backup to the cloud? Cause what we know is customers at Cisco says their data is, you know, kind of de-centered. It's no longer in the data center, it's all over the place. Companies like Cohesity can give you that centralized data protection no matter where your environment is. Walk us through what you're hearing from your customers, how they look at their data center versus the multicloud environment and data production. >> Yeah so, I think it's you know, customers are now understanding that its not either or, right? There was a time when people thought "wow I'm going to move everything to the cloud" and I really think there's a maturing of an understanding of what's going to work well for me in this cloud first world, what do I want to put there and then what am I going to keep on premises. So that's one of the things that Cohesity innovated; our core technology, a distributed webscale file system, spanning file system which spans the data center and the cloud world seamlessly. And what we're seeing is customers are really using the cloud for archiving, getting off of tape because then they get that search capability very easy when they need to. Tiering and then most importantly, disaster recovery you know, in the event of something man made or natural. Many many organizations moving to the cloud for their second site and with Cohesity, it's very easy to make that transfer happen in a very seamless way with our capabilities set. So I think what we're seeing is this real maturing of how customers look at it as a real holistic environment. And so Cisco calling it data centered, but we call this mass data fragmentation and then with our spanning file system being able to really consolidate that now. >> Yeah, another thing that needs that kind of holistic view is security. >> I know its something that's in your product, there was a ransomware announcement that you made last week. Tell us how security fits into this world. >> Yeah well I think that we all hate to say it, but that old phrase the new normal, unfortunately ransomware and malware has become the new normal for organizations of all sizes. Here in Europe we had that awful situation with the NHS and the UK last year, and it's happening everywhere. So one element that these attackers are taking is looking at how to disable backups. And so this is really important that as a part of a holistic security strategy, that organizations take a look at that attack vector. So what Cohesity has introduced is really unique. It's three steps. It's detect, prevent, and then recover. So detect in terms of capabilities to see if there are nefarious changes being happened to the file system right? And then prevent with Helios automatically detecting and with our smart assistant providing that notification. And then if need be, recover with our instant mass restore capability going back to any point in time with no performance issue. This is not taking time for the rehydration, the spanning file system doing this instantly, and allowing an organization to basically say "sorry, not today attackers", we don't need to pay you because we can instantly restore back to a safe point in time. >> So let's unpack those a little bit if we could. The detect piece, I presume there's an analytics component to that? You're observing the behavior of the backup corpus, is that right? Which is a logical place because it's got all the corporate data in there. >> That's correct. >> So, last year we introduced Helios, which is our global sass space management system. It has machine learning capability in it. And that's providing that machine learning based monitoring to see what kinds of anomalies may be happening that is then proactively alerted to the IT team. >> And then the recovery piece as well like you said, its got to be fast. You got to have high performance, high performance data movement, and that's fundamental to your file system is that what I'm hearing or the architecture? >> That's correct. >> That's one of the differences of our modern backup. Solution versus some of the non-hyperconverge architectures is the distributed web file system which our CEO, Mohit Aron, he was formerly at Google, helped with developing their file system, has what's called instant ability to go back into any point in time and recover not just one VM. At Vmware a couple years ago we demonstrated thousands of VMs at a time and the reason for that is this web scale file system, which is really unique to Cohesity. And that's what allows an IT organization to not be held hostage because they can not have to potentially spend not just hours, but even days with the old legacy systems trying to rehydrate, you know, these backups. If they have to go back potentially many months in time because you don't know that that ransomware may have been introduced not say yesterday, but it might have been several months ago. And that's one of the key advantages of this instant mass restore. >> I mean, this is super important right Stu? Cause we're talking about very granular levels of being able to dial up, dial down, you can tune it by application. A high value application, you can have much greater granularity. Some of the craplications, maybe not as important. So the flexibility is key there. How about customers? Any new customers that you can talk about? >> Absolutely. >> So one of the ones since we're here at Ciscolive! So Cisco along with Cohesity, we've been working with one of the largest global manufactures of semiconductors and other electronic equipment. Tokyo Electron based in Tokyo, but also here in the UK on the continent. They had one of those older backup solutions and were challenged with the time it was taking them to backup, the restores not being predictable. So they've gone with Cohesity, running on Cisco UCS because we're a software defined platform. We offer our software on our customers choice of certified solutions and of Cisco UCS. So they've started with backup but they're now moving very quickly into archiving to the cloud, helping reduce their costs and get off of tape, and to disaster recovery ultimately. So, super excited that together with Cisco, we can help this customer modernize their data center and accelerate their hybrid cloud strategy at the same time. >> Awesome. And then you guys are also protecting the Cisco live network here? Tell us about that. >> Yeah so you know, Cisco builds an amazing network here I mean, you've seen the operation center, a huge team of people. But as we all know, things can go wrong potentially. And so, we are protecting the critical services that Cisco's providing to all of the Ciscolive! Attendees here so should something happen, which I'm sure won't, Cohesity will be used to instantly recover and bring back up critical services like DNS and other areas that they're depending on to serve all of the thousands of show goers here. >> So, super hot space, we talked about this at VMworld. Actually last couple of years just how much activity and interest there is and the whole parlance is changing and I wonder if you could comment. It used to be backup when the world was tape. Now you're talking about data protection, data management, which could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. To us storage folks its pretty specific but you're seeing a massive evolution of the space, cloud clearly is the underpinning of the tailwind, and it requires you guys to respond as an industry. And Cohesity specifically as a company. So I wonder if you could talk about some of those major trends and how you guys are responding and how you're leading. >> Yeah. Yeah I think, you know, folks have been a little bit surprised like wait a minute, what's this kind of sleepy industry? Why is it getting all this funding? I mean our own Series D funding, middle of last year 250 million dollars, Softbank banked along with Sequoia of course. But really the trend is being talked about here at Ciscolive! Is data is, I don't want to say the new oil, but its the water of the world right? I mean, it's absolutely crucial to any business these days. Other than your talent, it's your most important business asset and the pressure on the board and the CEO and the CIO in turn to be agile, to do more with that data, to know what you have, because here we are in Europe, GDPR increasing regulations, is super important. And so, you know, this has really brought forth the need to create holistic ways to organize and manage and have visibility to all of that data. And it's massively fragmented. We put out that research last year, massive data fragmentation, and most of that data has been kind of under the water line in most peoples minds, you know. You think about your primary applications in data that's really only 20% and the other 80% in testev and analytics and backup, has been pretty fragmented and siloed and it hasn't yet had that vision of how can we consolidate that and move it into a modern space until folks like Mohit Aron you know, founded Cohesity and applied those same hyperconverge techniques that he did at Nutanix. So I think this investment just further validates the fact that data is the most important business asset and people are really in need of new solutions to manage it, protect it, and then ultimately do more with it. Gain insights out of it. >> You know, just a couple comments on that. >> One is you know, we always joke about data is the new oil, its even more valuable because you can use data in multiple places, you can only put oil in your car once. And so, companies are beginning to realize that. How valuable it is, trying to understand that value, how to protect that, and then GDPR. It's interesting, its really the fines went into effect in Europe last May. But its become a template, a framework globally. People, you know, US companies are saying alright we got to prepare for GDPR, and then local jurisdictions are now saying well that's a decent starting point. And so its not just confined to Europe. It's really on everybody's mind. >> It is. >> You brought up the cloud before, and you know the cloud is a new way for people to be agile and they're getting a lot of value out of it. But it also continues to fragment their data and the visibility in talking to a large CIO of Fortune 100, a large organization, he actually has less visibility in many ways in the cloud because of the ease of proliferation of testev, and that is creating more stress I would say in the system, and need for solutions to both provide and enhance that agility, move data to the cloud easily, move it out when you need to, but also with regulation be able to identify and delete as you know, with GDPR if needed, the information that your customer may ask you to remove from your systems. >> Yeah well, I love this conversation. >> I love following Cohesity because you guys are up leveling the entire game. I've been following the data protection space for decades now and the problem with data protection is there's always been a bolt on. And companies like Cohesity, both with the funding, your vision, you're really forcing the industry to kind of rethink data protection. Not as a bolt on but as a fundamental component of digital strategies and data strategies. So it's fun watching you guys. Congratulations on all the growth. I know you've got more to go. So thanks so much for coming to theCUBE and its always a pleasure to see you. >> Always a pleasure to be here with you guys. Thanks very much. >> You're very welcome. Alright keep it right there everybody. Stu Miniman and Dave Vellante from Ciscolive! Barcelona. You're watching theCUBE. (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) >> Live from Barcelona, Spain, it's theCUBE! Covering Ciscolive! Europe brought to you by Cisco and its ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back to Barcelona everybody. You're watching the Cube, the leader in live tech coverage. This is our first day of three days of coverage for Cisco live for Europe. Lynn Lucas is here, she's the chief marketing officer for Cohesity. Lynn, great to see you again. Thanks for coming on. >> Great to see you here in Europe. >> We were just saying it's the first time that we've done this on the continent so, another first. >> Yeah, another first. >> So pleased to be in the US with you guys at multiple shows, and now we're here in Barcelona. >> So it's a great venue. >> We've actually done you know, a number of shows here and again, it's a pleasure having you on. Let's see, let's get right to it. What's going on with you guys in Cisco? You got some news? Let's talk about it. >> Absolutely. >> As you know, we don't stop innovating, continuous innovation at Cohesity, and a number of new things. So, last week we announced a new Cisco validated design with HyperFlex, and Cohesity integrating for Snapshot. Integration for backup, and of course, instant recovery of that critical data center infrastructure and we're calling it HyperSquared. So you get full hyperconvergence for your primary and of course, your backup and other secondary applications. >> And those guys this morning talked about HyperFlex anywhere Stu so, it's like infinitive hype and infinity HyperFlex. >> HyperSquared. >> So, HyperSquared, love it. So you guys will, how's that work? Obviously you want to be the provider of data protection provider for multi-cloud. That's a huge opportunity for you guys. >> Absolutely. >> So how do you do that? You'll plug into whatever framework the customer wants, presumably a lot of customers want the Cisco framework, how does that all- >> No, absolutely, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, Cisco, obviously one of the most respected IT leaders in the world. Tens of thousands of customers globally depend on them. I'm a Cisco Alum, love being back here at the old stomping grounds. And Cisco's been an investor in Cohesity now since our Series C, so they really saw the promise and the benefit of what Cohesity offers with hyperconverge solutions for modern backup, recovery, and two year point to the cloud. You know Cisco's talking a lot about multi-cloud here and Cohesity with our native cloud integration helps customers protect those backups on, or those applications on HyperFlex. And then instantly move them to a cloud of choice and then as you've mentioned, Cisco has so many fantastic relationships that they're a very strong go to market partner with us. When customers want to buy a solution, they can get the whole solution from Cisco, including Cohesity. >> Yeah Lynn, glad we have you on. >> Because connecting the dots between something like hyperconverge, which we've been talking about for a number of years now and how that fits into multi-cloud is, it's a little clunky sometimes because like, when I've got my data center am I just doing backup to the cloud? Cause what we know is customers at Cisco says their data is, you know, kind of de-centered. It's no longer in the data center, it's all over the place. Companies like Cohesity can give you that centralized data protection no matter where your environment is. Walk us through what you're hearing from your customers, how they look at their data center versus the multicloud environment and data production. >> Yeah so, I think it's you know, customers are now understanding that its not either or, right? There was a time when people thought "wow I'm going to move everything to the cloud" and I really think there's a maturing of an understanding of what's going to work well for me in this cloud first world, what do I want to put there and then what am I going to keep on premises. So that's one of the things that Cohesity innovated; our core technology, a distributed webscale file system, spanning file system which spans the data center and the cloud world seamlessly. And what we're seeing is customers are really using the cloud for archiving, getting off of tape because then they get that search capability very easy when they need to. Tiering and then most importantly, disaster recovery you know, in the event of something man made or natural. Many many organizations moving to the cloud for their second site and with Cohesity, it's very easy to make that transfer happen in a very seamless way with our capabilities set. So I think what we're seeing is this real maturing of how customers look at it as a real holistic environment. And so Cisco calling it data centered, but we call this mass data fragmentation and then with our spanning file system being able to really consolidate that now. >> Yeah, another thing that needs that kind of holistic view is security. >> I know its something that's in your product, there was a ransomware announcement that you made last week. Tell us how security fits into this world. >> Yeah well I think that we all hate to say it, but that old phrase the new normal, unfortunately ransomware and malware has become the new normal for organizations of all sizes. Here in Europe we had that awful situation with the NHS and the UK last year, and it's happening everywhere. So one element that these attackers are taking is looking at how to disable backups. And so this is really important that as a part of a holistic security strategy, that organizations take a look at that attack vector. So what Cohesity has introduced is really unique. It's three steps. It's detect, prevent, and then recover. So detect in terms of capabilities to see if there are nefarious changes being happened to the file system right? And then prevent with Helios automatically detecting and with our smart assistant providing that notification. And then if need be, recover with our instant mass restore capability going back to any point in time with no performance issue. This is not taking time for the rehydration, the spanning file system doing this instantly, and allowing an organization to basically say "sorry, not today attackers", we don't need to pay you because we can instantly restore back to a safe point in time. >> So let's unpack those a little bit if we could. The detect piece, I presume there's an analytics component to that? You're observing the behavior of the backup corpus, is that right? Which is a logical place because it's got all the corporate data in there. >> That's correct. >> So, last year we introduced Helios, which is our global sass space management system. It has machine learning capability in it. And that's providing that machine learning based monitoring to see what kinds of anomalies may be happening that is then proactively alerted to the IT team. >> And then the recovery piece as well like you said, its got to be fast. You got to have high performance, high performance data movement, and that's fundamental to your file system is that what I'm hearing or the architecture? >> That's correct. >> That's one of the differences of our modern backup. Solution versus some of the non-hyperconverge architectures is the distributed web file system which our CEO, Mohit Aron, he was formerly at Google, helped with developing their file system, has what's called instant ability to go back into any point in time and recover not just one VM. At Vmware a couple years ago we demonstrated thousands of VMs at a time and the reason for that is this web scale file system, which is really unique to Cohesity. And that's what allows an IT organization to not be held hostage because they can not have to potentially spend not just hours, but even days with the old legacy systems trying to rehydrate, you know, these backups. If they have to go back potentially many months in time because you don't know that that ransomware may have been introduced not say yesterday, but it might have been several months ago. And that's one of the key advantages of this instant mass restore. >> I mean, this is super important right Stu? Cause we're talking about very granular levels of being able to dial up, dial down, you can tune it by application. A high value application, you can have much greater granularity. Some of the craplications, maybe not as important. So the flexibility is key there. How about customers? Any new customers that you can talk about? >> Absolutely. >> So one of the ones since we're here at Ciscolive! So Cisco along with Cohesity, we've been working with one of the largest global manufactures of semiconductors and other electronic equipment. Tokyo Electron based in Tokyo, but also here in the UK on the continent. They had one of those older backup solutions and were challenged with the time it was taking them to backup, the restores not being predictable. So they've gone with Cohesity, running on Cisco UCS because we're a software defined platform. We offer our software on our customers choice of certified solutions and of Cisco UCS. So they've started with backup but they're now moving very quickly into archiving to the cloud, helping reduce their costs and get off of tape, and to disaster recovery ultimately. So, super excited that together with Cisco, we can help this customer modernize their data center and accelerate their hybrid cloud strategy at the same time. >> Awesome. And then you guys are also protecting the Cisco live network here? Tell us about that. >> Yeah so you know, Cisco builds an amazing network here I mean, you've seen the operation center, a huge team of people. But as we all know, things can go wrong potentially. And so, we are protecting the critical services that Cisco's providing to all of the Ciscolive! Attendees here so should something happen, which I'm sure won't, Cohesity will be used to instantly recover and bring back up critical services like DNS and other areas that they're depending on to serve all of the thousands of show goers here. >> So, super hot space, we talked about this at VMworld. Actually last couple of years just how much activity and interest there is and the whole parlance is changing and I wonder if you could comment. It used to be backup when the world was tape. Now you're talking about data protection, data management, which could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. To us storage folks its pretty specific but you're seeing a massive evolution of the space, cloud clearly is the underpinning of the tailwind, and it requires you guys to respond as an industry. And Cohesity specifically as a company. So I wonder if you could talk about some of those major trends and how you guys are responding and how you're leading. >> Yeah. Yeah I think, you know, folks have been a little bit surprised like wait a minute, what's this kind of sleepy industry? Why is it getting all this funding? I mean our own Series D funding, middle of last year 250 million dollars, Softbank banked along with Sequoia of course. But really the trend is being talked about here at Ciscolive! Is data is, I don't want to say the new oil, but its the water of the world right? I mean, it's absolutely crucial to any business these days. Other than your talent, it's your most important business asset and the pressure on the board and the CEO and the CIO in turn to be agile, to do more with that data, to know what you have, because here we are in Europe, GDPR increasing regulations, is super important. And so, you know, this has really brought forth the need to create holistic ways to organize and manage and have visibility to all of that data. And it's massively fragmented. We put out that research last year, massive data fragmentation, and most of that data has been kind of under the water line in most peoples minds, you know. You think about your primary applications in data that's really only 20% and the other 80% in testev and analytics and backup, has been pretty fragmented and siloed and it hasn't yet had that vision of how can we consolidate that and move it into a modern space until folks like Mohit Aron you know, founded Cohesity and applied those same hyperconverge techniques that he did at Nutanix. So I think this investment just further validates the fact that data is the most important business asset and people are really in need of new solutions to manage it, protect it, and then ultimately do more with it. Gain insights out of it. >> You know, just a couple comments on that. >> One is you know, we always joke about data is the new oil, its even more valuable because you can use data in multiple places, you can only put oil in your car once. And so, companies are beginning to realize that. How valuable it is, trying to understand that value, how to protect that, and then GDPR. It's interesting, its really the fines went into effect in Europe last May. But its become a template, a framework globally. People, you know, US companies are saying alright we got to prepare for GDPR, and then local jurisdictions are now saying well that's a decent starting point. And so its not just confined to Europe. It's really on everybody's mind. >> It is. >> You brought up the cloud before, and you know the cloud is a new way for people to be agile and they're getting a lot of value out of it. But it also continues to fragment their data and the visibility in talking to a large CIO of Fortune 100, a large organization, he actually has less visibility in many ways in the cloud because of the ease of proliferation of testev, and that is creating more stress I would say in the system, and need for solutions to both provide and enhance that agility, move data to the cloud easily, move it out when you need to, but also with regulation be able to identify and delete as you know, with GDPR if needed, the information that your customer may ask you to remove from your systems. >> Yeah well, I love this conversation. >> I love following Cohesity because you guys are up leveling the entire game. I've been following the data protection space for decades now and the problem with data protection is there's always been a bolt on. And companies like Cohesity, both with the funding, your vision, you're really forcing the industry to kind of rethink data protection. Not as a bolt on but as a fundamental component of digital strategies and data strategies. So it's fun watching you guys. Congratulations on all the growth. I know you've got more to go. So thanks so much for coming to theCUBE and its always a pleasure to see you. >> Always a pleasure to be here with you guys. Thanks very much. >> You're very welcome. Alright keep it right there everybody. Stu Miniman and Dave Vellante from Ciscolive! Barcelona. You're watching theCUBE. (upbeat music)

>> Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE covering AWS re:Invent 2018, brought to your by Amazon Web Services, Intel, and their ecosystem partners. (techy music) >> Hey, welcome back, everyone. It's theCUBE live here in Las Vegas for Amazon Web Services, AWS re:Invent 2018, I'm John Furrier with Lauren Cooney, the cohost of theCUBE on this set. There's two sets, and we're getting all the great interviews from the smartest people here in the ecosystem. AWS re:Invent is the industry conference that makes it all happen in the cloud. We're excited to have Lynn Lucas here, CMO of Cohesity, back on theCUBE, CUBE alumni, also the architect of the greatest party of all time. The Cohesity parties, you guys had a great party last night. I tweeted some live footage of it. Got a little bit of backlash on Twitter, but it's okay, you know. >> We don't want that. >> A lot of FOMO. >> Hopefully also the architect of some great marketing here. We're here to get the word out about Cohesity and our news with Amazon, so glad to have you here. Thanks for having me on the set again. >> You guys really hit the formula for parties at events because normally they can be kind of boring. You bring artists in, you have a great venue. You glam it up with green, the color of Cohesity. How's that working out for you guys, what's been the feedback? I was going to say people last night were jamming, great crowd. Tell us what's going on, what's the success look like, what's the vibe? >> Yeah, well it certainly is about appreciating our partners and customers that are here, but really it's all about getting the word out about Cohesity, and you know, I think you know the numbers here were somewhere between 50 and 60,000 people here, crazy, at re:Invent, and we want people to know what Cohesity can do for them in terms of their use of Amazon and making that investment even better and smarter for them, for what we call secondary data, so that was the purpose of the party, thank our customers and partners and get the word out about what we can do. >> As they say in the old marketing cliche, if you've got the sizzle you've got to have the steak. >> Absolutely. >> So, tell me, you've got some great sizzle, great marketing, congratulations, doing a great job. Love working with you and love going to your events. What is the action on the products, like where's the meat on the bone? >> Sure thing, so we had a really important announcement here yesterday extending our partnership with Amazon. We had an extension to some already great, killer features that we have. Three things, so three things you got to know. One, integration without agents to do backup of your cloud native, AWS applications, full failover and fail back to the Amazon cloud and back again for DR, and we also are now offering integration with Snowball, so a lot of customers looking at how they can get more of their data into Amazon, and now we facilitate that and of course give you the indexing that allows that to become searchable and usable for the longer term. >> I want to ask you a question. I saw a presentation this morning at Teresa Carlson's public sector breakfast, packed house, again. She's really doing an amazing job, so shout out to her and her team, but the presentation was from the deputy of the FBI counter terrorism, she talked about all the bad things that have happened and how they tried to catch up and find the bad guys, or gals, and the problem they have is that they have a data crisis, and she said that: "The FBI has a data crisis," and they can't put the puzzle together fast enough because although the data's there, they can't get it out of the databases and there are all these different fragmented systems. This is a problem, how are you guys helping clients fix this fragmentation problem? Is that an area you're solving? What's your vision, or Cohesity's vision, around this notion of how does cloudification solve this speeding up of value around data that's kind of spread out everywhere? >> Yeah, so you hit the nail on the head. We call this mass data fragmentation, and that's the problem that she's talking about. In fact, we just completed a global study of secondary data, and nine out of ten, not surprisingly, of IT organizations around the globe think that this is going to cost them somewhere between 50% and 100% more than what they're currently spending to manage their data, because it's in silos, it's in silos on-premise, but it's also then started to silo inside the cloud, and how Cohesity helps is creating a unified platform, what we call the Data Platform, and spanning the on-premise and the cloud, the multicloud environment, and providing some really unique capabilities to help organizations take that fragmentation and now remove it, bust those silos, put it in one place, give you global search, indexing, and then compression, because we all know how many copies... Excuse me, deduplication, save storage, but then also the removal of copies, because we all know how many copies there are out there. >> So, Cohesity's brand message is you guys keep pounding the frequency, get the brand message out there, is what, what's the brand promise for Cohesity? >> Great question, the brand promise is we are going to end your mass data fragmentation problems and give you web scale simplicity, right? So, why are so many organizations here, right? They love what they see with AWS and that web scale and that hyper scale simplicity, but many companies, right, still have a lot of on-premise systems, and so they're struggling with it. Well, our founder, Mohit Aron, was one of the original developers of the Google file system, knows a little bit about building distributed file systems, and so he's brought that into an affordable platform for the enterprise to give you that scalability across your on-premise, your public cloud, private cloud edge sites. >> And I think that is critical across multiple environments, especially as people are trying to develop across those multiple environments, there really needs to be that consistency for them. Some of the things that I've picked up that I hear about you guys, it's really about user experience. It seems like you care a lot about that. You've got one graphical, you know, interface that you actually use, and it makes, I think, data less scary to folks. I would say the ecosystem, I don't know... You know, I looked at your architecture and I don't know who's not in those boxes, but you make it very clear, you know, in particular, and I think also saving people money, you know, that's going to be critical because everyone is scaling out and they're spending more and more and more, and what they're spending more on is, you know, this vast amount of data that they can't control anymore, and it's, you know, just kind of churning. >> Yeah. >> And we just had this great guy on here and he was talking about, you know, the movie that he did, and he's the one-stop shop, like, IT guy at this company, and he's the... He thinks, he's like, "They saved my life," was what he told us-- >> Yeah. >> About you guys, so-- >> So, I think you hit the nail on the head, it's all about simplicity. I mean, again, in our new study, and I don't think this is going to surprise anyone, but bringing it up to date for 2018, you still have, on average, five to six systems just for backup, up to 15 if you count all secondary, which is files and objects, analytics, test dev, and think about IT trying to manage all of that complexity from a user interface, a procurement, a training enablement. So, we give them that one-stop dashboard simplicity-- >> Yeah. >> And then on top of that build a foundation for the test dev organization, analytics organization to now do more with the data, because it's not enough to just bring, bust those silos and bring the data into one place. We need to do something with that data, right? >> Absolutely, and you know, you guys were talking, before we came on camera, about storytelling, and you know, I look at the story of the cloud. I want to get your perspective on this, and Lauren, feel free to chime in because I think you've got a good input on this. If you look at what the cloud is doing to changing the game, this narrative is changing. Andy Jassy calls it the old guard, other people call it legacy systems. We've all been in a tech industry. We've kind of seen where it's been and where it's going now. More visibility now in where it's going, AI and more automation, all this greatness. The narrative's changing, who's ready, who's prepared, what is the story of the modern cloud era? What is that narrative and how should companies be talking to themselves? What's their self-talk, how do they... What's your thoughts on the story of the modern era? What's actually happening in your mind? >> Well, I think, you know, the narrative is around if you are not cloud-forward, I don't like to call it cloud native because I think that really doesn't speak to so many organizations, so it's about being cloud-forward, and having that mindset, right, that you are going to be thinking about what are the advantages of the AWS cloud for me and my business. How can I use that to gain efficiencies, and that is something that I think really does separate the old guard from the new guard. You know, if I think about Cohesity in that vein, compared to some of the legacy solutions out there, that is what Mohit Aron built in. We're cloud native from the beginning with an S3 interface, but with those interfaces back into the enterprise world so that we can help customers bring that forward, data portability and app portability. >> That's Amazon's mission, they're just forward, forward, forward progress. They're not even looking in the rear view. Although, Andy does look at Oracle, but we have to Oracle, Lauren, what's your take on the storytelling, because I'd love to get your perspective on this, too. I hate to go on a little tangent here, but I think it ties to the Cohesity brand promise. You got developers changing, you got IT experts being devops kind of, you know, culture change there, and you've got the role of opensource communities. This is a new mosh pit of action. What's your-- >> Yeah, I think it's a mosh pit of action, but it's more of a mosh pit of opportunity-- >> Yeah, absolutely. (chuckling) >> If you really want to look at it. You know, you have developers, so you know, in 2003 I was at BEA building developer communities around web servers, and then I actually went, you know, in 2008 I was at Microsoft building the web platform, which was the precursor to Azure, and you know, then skip ahead, you know, 10 years, and this is where we are and this is what we're looking at, and I think that what we've gotten to along that, you know, kind of timeline, is it has to be easy for users. Development has to be easy, it doesn't matter where in the stack people are working, it has to be accessible, people have to be able to learn it or up skill to it very, very quickly, and it's really a new, you know, shape and form that's kind of coming to the table, and as people look to study computer science and things along those lines it will be important, but it will become less important as more companies start to look at the Salesforce model where you literally can become a developer in a week, and things along those lines. >> Right. >> That's what I think the cloud is really bringing to the table. >> It's the new software methodology. Clearly Amazon announcing this cool ground station, satellite as a service, spin up, fly your own drones, whatever you want to do. You don't have to provision a satellite anymore, just turn it on. It's going to empower the edge, because the edge is where conductivity stops. So, if you've got conductivity everywhere, that now means that all data will be coming in even probably more exponentially. This is kind of in your wheelhouse. As you look forward, as you go cloud-forward and IoT edge forward more data's coming. Are you ready for that, what's the vision for you guys, how do you handle all that? >> Well, you know, I think the story about more data, with respect, is old. We all know that, right, you know. What people haven't been able to solve is as it's coming in, how are you going to keep track of it, and is it even feasible to try to put it all in one place, and I think the answer's not really, right? I mean, think about IoT-- >> Yeah. >> And all these edge sites-- >> Yeah. >> And the promise of what's going on, so this vision, which I love, is of a spanning system that gives you that operating model of one platform, but not trying to do the impossible of continually trying to put data all in physically one place, coupled with, I so agree with you, this API-first economy. If you aren't building systems that way, you know, then it really isn't built for the future because who can imagine all of the things that we do with our smartphones, and we like to think of what the Cohesity Data Platform is is the analogy to the smartphone, right? We used to carry the flip phone, the GPS, the music player, the flashlight, that device changed the world, and then we changed it again by using APIs to build new apps on it. Cohesity Data Platform is that same vision. We're going to create that unified operating environment, and then through APIs let companies build on it. >> So, it's a data platform is not so much a category of backup and recovery. It's a benefit, a lot of value there, get a magic quadrant, maybe, written up someday, but you're a data platform. >> Yeah, well I go back to that analogy of the smartphone, right? You know, so we solve, and want to solve and be the world's best at solving some of the toughest problems, and data protection is one of them. Like, I'll speak to one of our other AWS customers that's here, which is Dolby, and Dolby had a massive challenge with their on-premise data center moving their workloads to AWS since 2016, had a fire in their data center and started realizing, "Hey, there's a lot of benefits "to doing more backup in the cloud, "but also doing more archive to the cloud," both from a protection point of a view, as well as a cost saving point of view, and that is, you know, the kind of thing where we're going to solve each of those use cases. Your phone is still great as a phone, but it's also great to order your Uber here, and maybe get you a meal. >> And there's data in there, too, okay. >> Yeah. >> Question, final question for you is competition, a lot of heat in the kitchen with competition. You don't shy away from it, I love that about you. You guys are loud and proud at Cohesity, love that brand. >> Super green. >> Yeah, super green, green light, go, green is money, too. How are you different from competition, why are you winning, what's the advantage? >> Well, let me go back to, I think, a phrase, old guard, new guard. So, I think there's an old guard, and we would clearly separate ourselves from the old legacy solutions that are not hyperconverged and are not web scale, and are not web-first or cloud-forward. There's another group that are looking at, and even some of the old players now, trying to move into the new world, but I think what differentiates Cohesity is three things: A true spanning file system, web scale, that is not focused on just being a better backup. So, you just touched on backup, it's an important workload, but our vision is to consolidate all secondary workloads, so that's backup, yes, but it's also files and objects. It's also then making that data productive for test dev and analytics, and doing that across, again, the edge, the cloud, and on-premise, and that's what makes us different. >> Final, final question, because I always do this because one pops into my head when you're talking, Andy Jassy's going to talk a lot about this tomorrow, because I got a little preview on Monday last week, net new workloads, latency, all these new things. Got some of the announcements trickling out. He's seeing, and a lot of people are, we included agree with him, when you have the kind of compute that's available and the kind of data platforms and the horizontal scalability to cloud, these new net workload will be enabled. AIs been enabled by great compute. AIs been around for decades-- >> Mm-hm. >> And it's got a renaissance with compute. What new net work, net new workloads do you envision Cohesity bumping into or pioneering in the future? >> Well, actually we're going to look to the developer community, honestly, right. I think we have a strong ethos and belief that, you know, we're not the smartest people in the room, so to speak, so let's bring that out to the developers and let them in their companies or in the third parties, the great community that's here, figure out what is the next thing that we can do. When we don't have these fragmented silos of data and we can actually see in its entirety what is available to us, what might be possible? I think it could change the world. >> Developer community's a very key part of it, I would agree. Again, there's hardcore new developers emerging, IT expert developers, opensource community contributors all coming together, all here on theCUBE covering, that's our audience, that's you guys out there. Bringing the best action here at re:Invent. I'm John Furrier with Lauren Cooney, here with Lynn Lucas with Cohesity. We'll be back with more live coverage here from the two sets, double barrel shotgun of theCUBE, we call it theCUBE canons. Stay with us for more coverage after this short break. (techy music)

>> Live from Orlando, Florida it's theCUBE. Covering Microsoft Ignite. Brought to you by Cohesity and theCUBE's ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back, everyone, to theCUBE's live coverage of Microsoft Ignite here in Orlando. I'm your host Rebecca Knight along with my cohost Stu Miniman. We are joined by Sai Mukundan. He is the Director of Product Management, Cloud Solutions at Cohesity. Thanks so much for coming on the show. >> Thanks, Rebecca, thanks. So nice to have you guys here at the Cohesity booth. >> And thank you for hosting us, I should say, yes. >> Absolutely, it's been wonderful. >> So we already had you colleague Lynn Lucas on this morning, she was terrific. And she gave us a high level vision of the news. Why don't you break it down for us. Explain to our viewers exactly what Cohesity was announcing here at Ignite. >> Sure. So, broadly speaking, we announced three things this morning. The first one, we've seen a lot of customers, Optic Office 365, in fact, that's one of the first or initial use cases of how they adopt Microsoft's solutions more off as a service. So the ability to now backup and recover old 365 has come up quite a bit in our customer conversations. So we announced a solution that will be available shortly, so customers can leverage the same Cohesity platform that we had up until now to also backup and recover old 365. So that was number one. Number two was around Azure Databox. So, this is a relatively new offering from Azure. It was up until now, it was in preview, and now it's going GA. So the fact that we can now integrate with Azure Databox as a means for customers to move data from on-premise to Azure, a great initial seeding for long term retention. And the fact that we integrate seamlessly with that, that was the second piece of the news. And then the third one is really around a hybrid Cloud message in the margin. Really, hybrid, I know-- Stu, you like to refer to it more as it's an operational model. It's not about what the Cloud is but it's more of an operation model. And in that model, customers are always looking to leverage it for disaster recovery purposes. And their ability to fade over to Azure and then bring it back on-premise, fade back, that capability is the third underpinning of the announcement this morning. >> And Sai, one of the challenges that we have is, if we look at Cloud and say it's an operating model. Well, the challenge we have is it really is a multi-cloud world. If you look especially here in the Microsoft ecosystem, absolutely, start with Office 365. Microsoft pushed a lot of customers to the SAS model. I have my data center, I'm probably modernizing things there, and then I have the public cloud. Well, when I look at my data, I want to be able to manage and interact and leverage my data no matter where it lives. So, that's where-- I said Microsoft lives in all those places, and it sounds like your integrations are going to help customers span and get their arms around their data and leverage their data no matter where it lives. >> Yeah, I particularly like the use of the word span, because as you may know, we call our underlying distributor file system the spanifest. (laughing) Right? So the idea is that it spans on-premise Cloud, and your point, multi-cloud as well. So the ability to use the same platform, and that's really what drives customers today. When you look at what are the three aspects of our solution that they like, I would say one is the scale ability. The fact that they can start small and then scale as their environment grows, that's important. The second is around, everything plays around automation, API driven, API first architecture, right. And the fact that we are policy based, API driven really really resonates with them. And the third one is the simplicity and ease of management. I mean, you can build all these solutions, but at the end of the day, it has to be simple for customers to consume. And that's something that really resonates with prospects, partners, and customers we talk to. >> Sai, wondering on the Azure Databox, if you could help unpack that a little. We have some Microsoft guests on, Jeffery Snover walked us through. There's a couple of different versions of them. Some are for data movement, some of them there will be really kind of edge, compute, and AI capabilities there. Which ones do Cohesity use, what do you see is the use cases that you'll be playing in? >> Sure, so before I go into the solution and the use case. I think one of the key aspects of why that announcement is important for us, is it also shows the kind of engagement and close technology partnership that we have established with Microsoft, Azure, right. The fact that we are one of their launch partners, both during the preview and now in the GA timeframe. It's important for both customers and partners, because that gives them a good, sort of, understanding that we are there in establishing thought leadership. We are there in working closely with Microsoft in this case, along with other technology partners out there. Just coming back to the solution itself, there are a couple of flavors of Databox. So the one that we have done extensive integration with is Databox. There's another version offered, which is called the Databox Edge, which also has Compute in it. But the idea here, the use case is really around when customers are looking at Cohesity, there is backup and recovery that they can do from on-premise. But Azure and Azure Blob Storage in particular becomes a seamless extension for long term retention. Now, there are a few customers, and I can relate to several who asked, "Hey, I have a large enough "data set that needs to be seeded initially." And obviously the network becomes a bottle neck in that case. So with Databox, the ability to now transfer the data into your on-prem, like you get the Databox shipped to your on-premise, get it loaded, true Cohesity. Seamlessly get it hydrated in our Azure account, and from that point on we only send the changes or the incremental data. So that is really appealing to both customers, as well as partners who are really engaged in these migration projects in some cases. >> I'm really interesting what you're talking about with the thought leadership and your approach to partnerships, because Microsoft selecting Cohesity as a partner, it's a real stamp of approval for Cohesity, a real validation that this company's for real. How do you then think about who you will partner with? Particularly if the company is, say, only five years old or pretty new to the space or maybe not as well known. >> I think one of the things that Mohit Aron, and he's a pioneer in the spirit systems and is the founder of Cohesity. One of the things that he established, right from the get go is the ability for the product to scale, scale on-premise, but also that the Cloud has to be very seamless. It's a natural extension of what the architecture is intended to do or achieve. And so that kind of made it easier for us on the product team to figure out who is it that we need to partner with. Azure is obviously a leader in that space, particularly over the last few years. I want to go back to something that was mentioned in the keynote yesterday. It's not a know it all, but it's a learn it all, right. The learning that we have had as we have grown Cohesity and the product has grown and as we acquired customers and talked to prospects is they want to work with the likes of Microsoft Azure, leverage the infrastructure that they have to offer. So we started there. We said if customers are asking for it, we do it and we learn along with them on why and what the use cases are. And it started with, going back to my earlier comment, long term retention. And now, as an extension to that, with the hybrid cloud where not only storage, but leveraging disks, leveraging Azure Compute, that's now become an extension of what we started off with. And so we have Azure DataPlatform Cloud Edition, which is Cohesity running on Azure. So I would say how we made the decision in this case, A. the product and the foundation really set that for us, but B., more importantly, the customers really asking for it and asking for that integration made it easier for us to determine that, hey we absolutely need to partner with the cloud renders. >> Sai, I'd like to build off of that, the customers and what they're asking for. This is a very large ecosystem here. To be honest, we know that Azure, Microsoft is a big player in Cloud, when I look at this show, Azure's a piece of the overall discussion. So, I was a little surprised. Not that we're hearing more about Azure here, but, it's because if you look at just order magnitude, how many customers Microsoft has on Windows and Office, obviously that's going to dwarf customer adopts in general. Where are your customers when the talk about Cloud adoption, your customers? Do you find them more in a Windows customers in their own data center versus Azure? What are your customers doing and adoption of Cohesity Cloud products in general? >> So if you look at the typical on ramp of customers, more often than not, at least I would say over the last couple of years, our customers have typically started with the on-premise. Because their immediate pain point was the platform can do a lot of things. Customers are always looking to also solve that immediate pain point while looking into the future. So the immediate pain point was really around how do I make my backup and data protection systems, first of all, simple, efficient, and less fragmentation. And while I'm doing that, how can I then potentially invest in the platform that is capable of doing more. And that's something that Cohesity offered in the on-premise world. And as a natural extension to that, as both from the bottoms up, as storage admins and backup admins started looking at leveraging Cloud or Azure in particular for as an extension of their storage infrastructure, as well as from the top down. You know, more of like the business decision makers and the CIOs driving that mandate of, hey, I want you to think about Cloud first and have that mindset. I think it really appealed to them. Because now they could start leveraging Azure Blob, again, back to that long term retention, legal hold, compliance standpoint. And then building off of that, building off of that to do test dev. We have a great feature, it's called Cloud Spend. The ability to take some of the on-premise infrastructure. And your earlier questions too, we have seen customers both VMware, Windows Hyper-v environments. Believe it or not, some customers still have physical systems. And the fact that Cohesity can take care of all that in the on-prem world, while seamlessly helping them adopt Cloud is really the kind of customers that we have seen in this journey that we have taken along with our customers and partners. >> Well this is theCUBE's first time at Ignite. I know you're relatively new to Ignite. >> I'm even surprised about that. I would think you guys would have made a number of appearances, but I'm glad it's the first time and it's at the Cohesity booth, so wonderful. >> We're so excited, but what are some of the things you're going to take back with you from this conference? >> I think for me, this conference, as has any other such conference in particular, it's really the excitement. You go back and you reflect on the last three, four days you spend here, and it's about all the great conversations that we have had with customers, prospects, and partners. Secondly, we heard a session earlier this morning, a Cohesity session, we had Brown University join us. And then there's going to be another one tomorrow. We're going to have UPenn and HKS. We are working on your alma mater Cornell, by the way, Stu. So we'll get them soon. >> Excellent, excellent. Go Big Red. >> So the fact that we have all these sessions and some really great attendance. And attendance from folks who are yet to embrace the Cohesity solutions. So it's great for us to get our message out. >> Getting the word out. >> Get our word out there. And I would say the last thing for us is also showcasing to Microsoft here in particular, the fact that we have this big presence here and the excitement it's having is a great message to the Microsoft executives and the leadership team that we work with as well to show more love, we already have enough that we get attention from them. But this is more of a validation for them to say there's more that we should be doing and could be doing with Cohesity. So I think those are probably the three things I'll walk away with and build on what we learned from Ignite here. >> Excellent, well thank you so much, Sai, for coming on the show. It was great having you here. >> Thanks, likewise. >> I'm Rebecca Knight for Stu Miniman, we will have more at theCUBE's live coverage of Microsoft's Ignite in just a little bit. (techno music)

>> Live from Orlando, Florida, it's theCUBE covering Cisco Live 2018, brought to you by Cisco, NetApp, and theCUBE's ecosystem partners. >> Okay welcome back everyone, we're here live in Orlando for Cisco Live 2018, it's theCUBE, I'm John Furrier with Stu Miniman for three days of coverage. Our next guest is Lynn Lucas, CMO of Cohesity, welcome back to theCUBE, great to see you. >> Great to be back, thank you, gentlemen. >> So great story, you guys announced huge news yesterday, 250 million dollars in a Series D funding, that's a boatload of capital, a boatload of cash. >> Jon that's a ludicrous amount of cash. >> It is a ludicrous amount of cash. >> You guys are rich, having a big party, Ludacris was playing, this is big news. Why the funding, why the big treasure trove of cash, what's the strategy? >> Sure, so, Cohesity, as you know, has been working on really reinventing secondary storage and this is a huge market, 60 billion dollars, SoftBank only invests in companies that are disrupting big markets and they see what Cohesity's doing and really felt very compelled about having an investment in us to take that forward, to take Mohit Aron, our CEO and founder's vision forward, to really change the world and transform secondary data and applications in the data center, so we're really looking forward to this investment from SoftBank along with Cisco, which is why we're here at Cisco Live HPE, Morgan Stanley joined us and driving new innovation and driving our go to market expansion. >> So Cisco investments put some cash in, obviously they're interested in that, I want to get your thoughts about what's different, and a lot of people are trying to understand the Cohesity story, it's not just storage, there's a cloud game going on now where Chuck Robbins, the CEO of Cisco onstage said it's a whole new ballgame with scale. What's different about you guys around that scale question, because, okay, storage, and backup and recovery we've been around that block before, we've seen other people do it. >> What's different, and does the cloud scale tie into that? >> Cloud is a huge part of this, and Mohit, as you may know, came from Google, he was one of the lead developers for the Google file system, so he gets cloud, he gets scale, I think in a way that few founders do, and his vision has been to bring this cloud-like simplicity to what today arguably is a set of very siloed legacy solutions for not just backup, which you brought up, but also file services, test dev analytics, when you think about it over the last 20 years, customers have basically bought point solutions for all of those areas and they're dealing with a pretty fragmented mess, and then they've been trying to figure out how to get that to the cloud, and it's been very difficult at best, so what's different about Cohesity is it's not just a better backup, we also are a distributed file system that allows customers to put all of their secondary storage into one consolidated hyper-converged platform. >> Lynn, with that much money, one of the things everybody's looking at is what are some of the big hiring moves that Cohesity's gonna make? I've had quite a few friends that have joined over the last year. When you came on board, obviously the marketing organization's growing. Speak a little bit about the culture, what kind of people Cohesity is looking for. >> Well when you join Cohesity, you join a mission, we're on a mission, and it's been a tremendous ride for me already. I haven't honestly had this much fun in tech in really since Cisco, and I'm proud to be there. This time, last year, the company was only about 200 people, we're well north of 600 now. Tremendous growth. Where are we hiring? Really all areas, we're building out engineering in particular in India, but also we opened a new office in RTP earlier this year, sales, and marketing as you mentioned, really across the board, we've seen tremendous demand and so we're scaling the business to support our customers >> around the globe. >> I mean when you're on a rocket ship, sometimes you just gotta hold on, not get blown off as the growth comes in. Where are you guys seeing the growth coming from the marketplace when someone says, hey, what's clicking right for Cohesity, why are you winning, what's the dynamic from the customer, what problem are you solving, why is it working? >> So really we see three areas that click with customers right now. So first is legacy backup, we've got a perfect storm of events going on right now with two major vendors that are having some challenges and customers struggling with the amount of data and how do they start to move that to the cloud for archive scenarios, so that's one. The second is this file services area. Legacy, again, people are tired of paying for those forklift upgrades, and so a lot of organizations, CIOs, we had a major bank in San Francisco, 45 day sale cycles, start to finish, multimillion dollar deal, 'cause the CIO was like, I cannot sign another multimillion dollar forklift upgrade for my legacy vendor, and then cloud. We mentioned that before but, here it was a big theme with Chuck, Google Cloud, we partner with Google, we partner with Amazon, we've partnered with Azure, customers are looking for how can they do archiving, how can they do replication, test dev in the cloud, we make that simple. >> A really paradigm shift on the backup side. >> Yeah. >> I'll ask you a personal question if you don't mind, put you on the spot here. You've been an industry executive, you've seen ways of innovation, >> you mentioned Cisco, so you've seen successes, you've seen some companies, you've been involved with some partners with other folks that have gone here and there in the industry. When you looked at Cohesity, what attracted you to the company, what made you jump, that leap of faith? Because it's always tough for start-ups, it's like am I making the right move, a good opportunity, personally what was attracting you to the opportunity >> when you dug into it and you did the due diligence? >> Great question, three things. One, Mohit Aron himself, true technical genius founder, committed to what he's doing with a very humble sense of serving the customer. Two, the culture at Cohesity is fantastic. People want to work together collaboratively, and then how we are really disrupting the industry I feel that Cohesity is one of those architectures that will be the standard that others will be looking at in the next five to ten years. >> Lynn, there's a lot of discussion lately about products and platforms, and one of the challenges we have today is it's a multi-cloud world, so while customers are making bets, it's, as you said, it's Amazon, it's Google, it's Microsoft, they've got their data centers, they're using a lot of SAS, how do you build a platform that can span all of these different environments? >> Great question, so first of all, I wake up every day and I say to my team many times, and our sales team, CIOs don't wake up going, hey I'd like to buy a platform today, right? Customers want to solve business problems, so talking to CIOs, really what they're saying is, is I don't really care where my data and my applications are, I just want my business users to have access to it at the right time in a compliant way, because compliance has become a bigger issue. So the distributed file system that Mohit has invented, SpanFS, Span is for spanning the private data center to the public cloud, and that is part of the magic of what Cohesity is, is this ability to span seamlessly and create one operating environment independent of whether you are on your private cloud or one of the three major public clouds today. >> One of the things that I said on Twitter, when you saw the news, that couldn't help myself, but I said, hey you got multiple horse on the track, there's a couple competitors you have now in this new area, there was some rumblings in the community around, oh Cohesity, the perfect M&A target, these guys are gonna get bought out quickly, other people are gonna want them to go public, you and I were talking last night off camera around this notion, I want you to just take a minute to explain. This is not a quick flip, the 250 million dollars, when I saw that I'm like okay that's a signal, they're not going anywhere, they're in it for the long game. Talk about that dynamic, those rumors about Cohesity looking for the M&A, not in the cards, >> what's the formal statement on that? >> I would say that Mohit is really determined to make a difference in the world, make a difference in technology, I'd argue he already has done so at Nutanix, he was CTO and co-founder there, he's done it at Google, but he is in this for the long haul, and also SoftBank. SoftBank doesn't invest in small companies, they're looking for those that are disruptive, that are gonna give themselves and their investors a big return, and if you look at some of the other investments that they've made, we're the second largest enterprise software investment after Slack that they've made, they clearly see a longterm future for the company. >> They want a durable company. >> They want a durable company, they see a lot of opportunity, and we're really looking forward to that expansion. >> You're playing the long game. >> Absolutely. >> On this one, so the founder's been there done that, he doesn't need the money, he's been successful. >> I would argue that he's been successful, yes. >> Lynn, love to get your viewpoint on what you're hearing from customers. For the longest time it's, well the enterprise moves slow and there's so much change happening, disruption in digital transformations, what we talk about, you talked about billions of dollars of opportunity, how fast is the market changing, what are you hearing >> from the enterprises that you work with? >> I think that was the myth, that this was an area, particularly about backup that was kind of sticky and it was gonna change slowly. Not from my vantage point in talking to customers, I think that they are looking for a change, and one of the benefits that we provide them is the simplicity to give them agility. When you have got so much operational complexity, we're working with a customer who was looking at having to hire seven more individuals just to manage scale out of backup and recovery for a new government customer that they were bringing online, with Cohesity they didn't have to hire those seven people for that, they could invest in IT in those seven individuals in development. That's the kind of agility CIOs are looking for and they can move faster when they get rid of that complexity, Gartner often talks about that 80/20 rule, right, 80% is managing what you've got. >> I think in some ways is it that the adoption of cloud that's making them need to make a change, or are there other factors that you're seeing as to kind of key drivers for them being open to it. >> I think cloud is an enabler and certainly the business leaders kind of said, cloud is the panacea, I think what we've seen in the industry is that a lot went to cloud and found this doesn't actually solve all our problems and that it's a hybrid cloud world, it's gonna remain that way. It's the business still that's driving them to want to move quickly, and IT wants to do that, right? >> Yeah, it's right to my point actually is that people thought cloud was simple and cheap and when they got there they realized oops, wait, I still need to worry about my data and my applications, 'cause that's, as you said, >> key to what we have to look at. >> Yeah, cloud needs to be used as an augmentation to your private data center and you're gonna have some great use cases. We've got customers that do archiving to the cloud. Easy access, e-discovery, find it more quickly. Customers that will spin up test dev in the cloud, do some work there with the compute resources and then spin it back down, those are great examples of how you can use cloud to augment your private data center. >> Well, Lynn, thanks for spending the time in theCUBE here, and congratulations on the big funding round, your booth is in the center of the hall there, it's all built out beautifully, timed it perfectly with the news. I gotta ask you since we're here at Cisco Live, what's the most important story that people should know about about Cisco Live this year? I mean obviously the world is moving to a whole 'nother era, modernizing cloud, things are being consolidated and reinvested in, platforms are emerging, it's not your grandfather's backup and recovery storage, it's wholly integrated platforms. What's the takeaway for the folks that didn't make it here, what's the big story coming out of Cisco Live, obviously your news is one of the top ones, but generally speaking in the industry, what's the top news? >> Yeah I think Chuck really got it right in the keynote yesterday, I think that this discussion that he had in particular of their work with Google Cloud and bringing together this on-prem and the cloud world in a seamless way so that it doesn't matter, that's a trend, we're here to help make that happen. We think customers like AutoNation, Hyatt, US Air Force are right in joining us in doing that and I think that that's the way of the future. >> Thanks so much for inviting theCUBE to your Cohesity party last night. >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Take a minute to explain some of the reaction a little bit, big crowd at the House of Blues, who was playing, what was the reaction, real quick. >> We had Ludacris, we thought it would be fun to time a bit of a celebration knowing the news that we had, and was just thrilled to see him engage the audience here, I think they had a good time, I think we all enjoyed some fine food and drink and a little music until the wee hours and thank you, gentlemen, for joining us. >> Lynn Lucas, the CMO here inside theCUBE, Cohesity on the fresh funding announcement of 250 million dollars in the long game, really changing the game, the cloud platform enabling new programming models, new value creation opportunities and new brands are emerging, it's awesome, Cisco certainly building on their leadership here at Cisco Live, this is theCUBE with coverage, day two, Cisco Live, stay with us for more after this short break. 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>> Announcer: Live, from the Moscone Center, it's theCUBE covering AWS Summit San Francisco 2018. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services. (electronic music) >> Welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of AWS Summit here in San Francisco. I'm Stu Miniman, happy to welcome to the program a first time guest, Sai Mukundan, who's in product management at Cohesity, excuse me, Sai, thanks so much for joining us. >> Thanks, Stu, lovely to be here at AWS Summit. >> Okay, tell us a little bit about your background and really, what led you to come to Cohesity? >> Sure, so as you know, Cohesity is one of the private VC funded companies in the Bay Area. I was actually in Microsoft Azure prior to Cohesity. >> Can't mention Azure here, we're at the AWS event, Sai. >> It's okay, I mean, that's where I was, right? >> So, I've been in storage domain, in the industry for some time, prior to that at Veritas. Being in product management for a number of years, and I think what drew me to Cohesity was really two things, right. One is the fact that it was led by, it's led by Mohit Aron, one of the pioneers when it comes to distributed systems and building and scaling companies. And then, the second thing is to really be part of something where you can make a big difference in industry. I mean, you are making a sea change in the storage domain, of all things, to become hard again. And so to be part of that change was really what drew me to Cohesity. >> Yeah, (mumble), you talk about storage in Cloud. You know, when you think back, it's like, remember, Cloud was going to be simple, it's just this wonderful thing. We just turn it on, I don't have to worry about things like, definitely don't have to worry about storage. You know, they'll take care of all my security, your backup goes away, I don't have to worry about any of the things anymore. Oh, wait, maybe we do need to worry about those things, right? >> Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So, what we see from customers is, a lot of them really want to adopt the Cloud and have been adopting it in their own way, right? But what they're faced with is, really, broadly, I would say from a storage perspective, three different challenges. One is the fact that they have, they continue to have their on-premises and now they're looking to leverage the Cloud, so that's number one in terms of how can I make it very seamless without any point products or point solutions. The second is, from a Cohesity perspective, we are really focused on what we call a secondary storage. Things that are outside what we call the primary, which is not your mission critical, high IOPS, low latency applications, but things like backup, test, dev, DR, right? And so, there's a lot of silos in there. So, how do I adopt the Cloud, at the same time reduce the silo infrastructure? And the third one is really around ease of use and management and simplicity around it. So that's really where the complexity comes in and Cohesity is trying to address that. >> Okay, Sai, when I look, some of the marketing material from Cohesity, I heard the term, it was hyper-converged, secondary storage. Isn't that some box that lives in my data center? How does that fit into, kind of, the Cloud discussion that we're having today? >> Yeah, so let me clarify that myth a little bit, right. So, in the data center, yeah, you have a lot of boxes, right. But, from Cohesity, the way we like to think about our solutions is it's completely software defined, right. Software defined, API-driven approach to doing things. So let me, kind of, set you up with what the challenge is from a customer standpoint. So when you have secondary storage, or the element of backup and test, dev, and DR. What customers typically have is a combination of media servers, massive servers, talking to storage, tape, and then Cloud becomes an afterthought. You typically have some kind of a Cloud gateway, talking to various different public Clouds, right. So you can see how this environment is pretty complicated in the fact you have different point products. So very scattered and inefficient. The second thing, from an inefficiency standpoint, is the fact that there is the same copy of data maintained across many different systems. And then, now, when you think about the Cloud, you're now trying to manage the on-premise with the Cloud, right, and managing it in two different environments is not very easy. That's the problem space and then with Cohesity, what we are trying to do is, we have what we call The Data Platform, again that's the software-defined aspect of it, which can run on hardware that we provide. Or it can run on hardware that the customers bring to the table. So, again that's where the software-defined nature comes in. And the same software, we call it the Cloud Edition can run on AWS or any of the other public Clouds as well. >> Okay, so paint a picture for me. Is the data center kind of the primary piece and the Cloud, is it kind of a back up archive, things like that? Or are they equal and they live, or there's some customers, can I just have Cohesity software only in public Clouds, or does there need to be some data center component of this? >> It's really all of the above, in the sense that we have customers who think of it, think of a hybrid approach to doing things. So they have their on-premises and the Cloud as well, right. And, in the hybrid approach, they're typically trying to do two things. One is, leverage just the storage in the Cloud as an extension of their on-premise, wherein you can archive the data for long-term retention or for tiering. And then the second use case is really around test, dev, and disaster recovery in the Cloud. Then we have a second set of customers which are born in the Cloud, Cloud only, right. And that's where our Cloud Edition product, the software-defined nature of it helps them run in the Cloud and so all the same main points. We don't want any silos now existing in the Cloud, right. And then, there is a third category wherein they are predominantly on-prem today, but heavily looking to leverage the Cloud, and Cohesity is that data continuum, so to speak, in terms of a single platform, a single fabric, that can manage both on-premise, as well as the Cloud environment. >> Great, so I heard, Cloud Edition, I could be only in The Cloud and can work with Cohesity. >> Absolutely. >> When I look at customers, you know, it's typically heterogy as an environment. It's great if I've got some brand new, born in the Cloud there, but most customers, they've got a heterogeneous environment, which means, I've got multiple different storage types in my data center. I'm probably using multiple Cloud services, and we'd think that'd be a good position for Cohesity, to be that secondary storage layer, to help manage all of that, no matter what we are. Am I getting that right? >> Yeah, absolutely. I would say, the more fragmentation, or the more point solutions a customer is using today, the greater the benefit they can realize from Cohesity. 'Cause we are really bringing all of that together, right. So, you mention storage, storage is a big part of it. But, you also see a lot of customers looking toward up more compute as well in The Cloud, right. That's where the likes of Amazon EC2 and The EBS really comes in to play as well, right. And in that case, really, the use cases are test, dev, disaster recovery, and then the fact that they can do more with the data, right? One of the other things that our platform offers is the ability to do analytics on it. The ability to find insights, as Mohit likes to call it, it's dark data today, but we can shed some light on it. So that's really where the direction is where we are headed in terms of innovation and where Cohesity is headed as a company. >> Sai, what do you find from customers? Are they aware of the challenge that they have in the Cloud? I think, in the data center, it's kind of well known that I need to be able to deal with these. Are there customers that are just unaware that they've got some of these challenges or falling into pitfalls and losing data or having issues that they then have to deal with? >> I would say there are two sets of customers in that space. One is the customer who is really wary about things, who's really security conscious, who's kind of just dabbling with The Cloud, maybe, here and there, but really conscious about adopting it on a broader perspective. Just because they're really concerned about whether it's PII information, or any other security aspects, right. So, for them, having a solution that spans both on-premise and the Cloud really is a great stepping stone, so to speak, in terms of now I can confidently move the data to the Cloud. It's encrypted both at rest and in flight, and I can continue to use the same solution in both cases. We have a second set of customers, I would say, who are more, have been more bullish about the Cloud in general. But now they are taking a step back and saying, hey, wait a minute, I'm continuing to face some of these same challenges that existed on-premise in the past, right. It's siloed again, I have various different storage. We have S3, EBS, you have potentially other things, And then, I'm running into the same pitfalls. So how can I take a step back, take a more holistic approach and solve the problem? So, again, they're with the software-defined nature of our solution really appeals to them because we come in and we can solve some of those problems as well. They then face the same sort of problems in the Cloud world as they did on-prem world and now they can say hey, let me look at Cohesity as a solution that can get me there. >> All right, you brought up PII, so I have to ask the big question that's in everybody's mind lately, what about GDPR? AWS said this morning, all their services, fully ready, 100%, how does this impact Cohesity and your customers? >> So, GDPR is a big thing for us and our customers and prospects, as well. So we are actively working on getting GDPR compliant. Today, our platform is FIPS compliant, so that's already a big stepping stone to getting there. So we look at GDPR in one of, in two ways again, right. One is the the solution that we provide to our customers, The Data Platform and The Data Protector, as we call it, being GDPR compliant. Meaning, the data that lands on that system, the ability to delete the data, the ability to say who has access to the data, road-based access, things like that. The second aspect is our support and the fact that we have access to a lot of customer information ourselves, right. The fact that we can look at their systems and make sure that everything that we do internally is also GDPR compliant, so that the customers and our support systems and our salesforce database is all GDPR as well. So both those elements come in to play and we are actively working on all of them. >> Well, I wouldn't expect that you'd be looking at the customers' data. (Stu chuckles) >> Well, when I say customers' information, what I mean is the fact that when we access their platform, let's say they file a support ticket. The fact that now we can access their platform, debug their systems, look at the logs and alerts. It's equally important to be compliant there as well, from a GDPR stand point. >> Totally understand, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any ambiguity there. Great, Sai, I want to give you the final word. We look forward to 2018, what can we be looking for from Cohesity as a regards to the Cloud Marketplace? >> Yeah, I think a couple of things there. One thing that you will hear more about is Cohesity and Cloud. We are actively, we have been working on The Cloud elements, both from a storage perspective and a computer perspective. But looking here, I would say more on what we can do with Cloud Edition, especially with the fact that there are more Cloud native, born in the Cloud applications and providing the same data protection and platform abilities in the Cloud, that is number one. And then the second aspect, I would say, is continued reinforcement of our hybrid message. The fact that we can solve this pain point for our customers in the on-prem world and the Cloud world. Really, from a scalable standpoint, from an API different standpoint, and the ease of use in management. Those three themes are something that you will continue to hear from Cohesity. >> All right, Sai Mukundan with Cohesity, thanks so much for bringing us the update. We'll be back with lots more coverage here from AWS Summit San Francisco, I'm Stu Miniman, you're watching theCUBE. (electronic music)

(upbeat music) >> Hey welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're in our Palo Alto studios. The conference season is just about ready to take off so we still have some time to get some Cube conversations in before we hit the road and spend the next several days and weeks and months in Las Vegas, Orlando, and points on the compass. So, we're excited to have our next guest. She's Lynn Lucas, Cube alumni, CMO of Cohesity, Lynn, great to see you again. >> Jeff, super to be here for the first time in Palo Alto. >> Yeah, how do you like the studio? >> I love it! >> It's a little different than the vibe at the conferences. >> A little quieter-- >> A little quieter. >> Than the conferences but I like it. >> Well good, good, welcome, so you have relatively recently joined a new company, Cohesity, so congratulations on that. >> Thanks, yeah. >> And just curious, one, give us just a quick overview on Cohesity but more importantly, what did you see that attracted you, to get you to join? >> Great, yeah, so Cohesity, just joined at the beginning of January, having a blast. And really what I saw that attracted me to Cohesity was three things. It's an incredible founder, Mohit Aron, who was formerly the CTO and co-founder of Nutanix called the Father of Hyperconvergence and before that the lead developer at Google File System. And, he really is doing what a lot of Silicon Valley is known for, which is he took a step back and is looking at this space in the data center that we call secondary data, back up, archives, replications, test dev, analytics, and said, "You know what? "The world doesn't need a better point solution. "We need to take a step back and look "at how this gold mine of data can be used "in a much more efficient way." Because data is after all, is what's powering the worlds businesses and their differentiation. So, the technology, Mohit himself is a founder and then it's just an incredible start up culture. It's fast growing, we're having fun every day, I love going to work. >> It's amazing, I was just doing some background and you guys have raised $160 million. The list of leadership and board and advisory is pretty amazing. It's like a who's who from this industry. So he pulled together a helluva team. >> He really has and you know Carl Eschenbach, former COO of VM Ware is on our board. >> Cube alumni, Patrick Rogers. >> Rob Salmon. >> Cube alumni, we could go on and on. >> Yes, Ned App, Dan Wormehoven, Google Ventures is invested, Sequoia. I think Sequoia said we're the fastest growing company in their portfolio. We grew 600% year over year last year, 40 to 50% growth in new customers every quarter, cause they're is just such a pent up demand to really solve some of the problems that haven't been addressed over the last, really, couple of decades for the inefficiencies and how all of this data for these secondary workloads is managed. >> So you got an interesting graphic on the website talking about secondary data. And that it's really the ugly part of the iceberg below the water and significantly bigger, heavier, and more expensive to manage than the primary data. So I wonder if you could take us into that a little bit deeper, how did it get to be such a problem? And why is this new approach a better way to attack that problem? >> Sure and an iceberg is really kind of a good metaphor when you think about the data center. You know, we've got our production, and applications, primary storage and that's what's floating above the water and we see that 20% but below is another 80%. And, according to most industry analysts, IDC, Gartner, that represents not just 80% of the data but 80% of the cost. On average, IDC says every organization has 12 to 14 copies of each piece of data. And that happens because what's grown up over time is point solutions for all the various work loads. You got one set of hardware and software for backup. You've got another set for test dev. You've got another set for analytics. There's been no sharing of the data. There's no single infrastructure, knowing even or operations knowing what you have and being able to tell you where the inefficiencies are and so you think about a developer in retail or in a bank organization, they're requesting a copy of a data to develop the new applications that copy gets instantiated. They do their work, never gets erased, just like in our consumer life. >> Right, Right. >> Do you ever erase photos off your phone? >> I can't tell you how many copies and copies and copies of, cause it's, cause it's often-- >> It's easy. >> You figure, it's easier to make another copy just in case, right? >> Exactly, so that never goes away and then you've got yet another copy for the next time they need an updated set. And so, this has been multiplying and it creates just an incredible expense to maintain and operate. And it also creates a lot of risk these days for organizations because of new regulations like GDPR. >> Right. >> Where are all those copies of personal information from e-use citizens, people don't even know anymore. >> Right, and then there's, you know, two other big factors that have come into play in recent years. Software to find and public cloud. Two really big, huge tidal waves of change that were not accommodated in prior architectures so you guys, obviously, saw that opportunity glommed on and are now offering something that can take care of the different types of needs based on what type of infrastructure you need, really not at a company level. But really at the application or the workload level right? >> Yeah, so I think it's a great point and I won't claim any credit for this, this is Mehit and his team of developers and really, as you pointed out, what do we see organizations looking for now? They now realize that, hey, if I can get a software to find platform, a lot of commodity hardware does a really good job for me and I want to have that flexibility to choose, you know, what vendor I might be using. So, Mohit developed a software to find platform that addresses, how do you bring all of these data and these workloads together in one platform so I can have a consistent set of infrastructure and a consistent operational model and, because of his heritage, working at Google, being one of the lead developers for Google File System, it comes with this cloud first mentality. So this is not a bolt on with a gateway to get to Amazon or get to Azure. >> Right. >> This is a software platform that natively understands and spans both your private cloud and your on premises data center and the public cloud. So it gives an IT organization the flexibility to choose how do I want to use the public cloud with my private data center and not have to think really about, kind of, that plumbing below. >> Right. >> Below the water line anymore. >> Because, because there is no either or, right? It's really workload specific where that particular workload lives and the storage that supports that. >> Yeah, so so let me be specific about what Cohesity offers. It's software defined and we offer a appliance so that it's very easy for an organization to go in and say, you know what, data protection, backup frankly, legacy architectures built 20 years ago, before the advent of the cloud. Biggest pain point we see right now can move in a Cohesity hyperconverged appliance and solve that problem and gain massive business benefits right away. We offer global deduplication, very advanced compression and erasure coding and we have customers that are telling us that they're seeing eight to one, ten to one, even 14 to one ratios that really then give them-- >> 14:1 ratio and a reduction of capacity to store the same amount of stuff? >> Versus from some of the current customer, or current vendors that they have been using, from what I would call these legacy architectures. >> Right, right, that's pretty significant. >> So they're getting an amazing storage efficiency. Then, they often next say, wow I'd like to give my developers the flexibility of spinning this up in the cloud. So we offer a cloud edition that allows them to choose whether they want to operate on Azure on Amazon on Google cloud and be able to move that data into the cloud, use it for a test dev instance, but again all under the same software interface all looks like one operating system. No bolt on gateway to manage. >> Right, so you get it-- >> And then. >> I'm sorry go ahead. >> And I was going to say in the third part is many organizations obviously have remote offices, branch offices so there's a virtual edition too. >> Right. So I'm just curious on the cloud side. So Andy Chassis' been on a ton of times, great guy. >> Yes. >> You know, one of the promises of cloud is spin up what you need and spin down when you - don't, as you said. >> Right. >> Nobody ever spins anything down so are you seeing customers have the same type of, of economic impact in managing their storage that's in the public clouds? Because now they're actually spinning down what they don't need or consolidating more efficiently. >> Yeah, so I think that we've seen, in general, in the industry that if you likened the data center it'd kind of been a messy garage where there was a lot of things in the garage and you weren't really sure what it was. A lot of folks, I would say five plus years ago, were like, kind of ran to the cloud cause it was clean and new and it was like that new shiny storage box. >> Right. >> You know, that you see parked on people's driveways sometimes and then realize that there can be a lot of expense, cause you're really replicating in the cloud, some of these same silos if you're not careful. >> Right. >> We're going to help customers avoid that. I think customers are much more sophisticated now than say five years ago. And they're now looking at what's the best way for me to incorporate public cloud. >> Right. >> So really common use case right now would be what I mentioned before test dev, let's move something there, get the benefit of the compute, do some analytics on it, build some new application, maybe get spun down after that but another really common use case is a lot of organizations worried about disaster recovery, bringing the cloud in as their second site. Because that's a very efficient way for them to do that and not build yet another on premises data center. >> Silo. >> Yeah. >> So, the company's been around, the a round is 2013, you're coming in as a CMO. You're brand new and fresh, what's your charter? You know, you didn't come in at a low level you came in with the C, what are you excited about, what you know, again why did they bring you in and what are you going to bring to the table and what are your priorities for the rest of 2018 and beyond? I still can't believe we're a third, a quarter of the way through 2018. >> Yes we are. We're going to be at those shows pretty soon. >> (laughing) I know, they're comin'. >> They are, so I'm here really to build on the good work that the team has done and I'm just really thrilled to be at the company. I think what my charter is is to continue the company's expansion. So, they've seen tremendous growth and in fact, we've just really launched into Asia so we now have a large sales presence in Australia, New Zealand and we're going to continue to expand into the rest of Asia. Significantly expanded in Europe as well recently. So part of my charter is to bring the marketing programs to all of these new regions and in general, to up our awareness level. I think Cohesity has an incredible opportunity to really be one of those companies that changes the data center landscape. >> Right. >> And I want to make sure the world knows about the incredible benefits the customers are seeing already with us. And do that in a way that really features the customer voice. I've been on theCUBE before and I talked about that. For me, that is all about ensuring that the customer voice is really front and center and so hopefully we'll bring a Cohesity customer here. >> Good, well and I just want to ask you kind of from a marketing professional in B2B business, it's a really challenging time in terms of, of the scarcity now is not information, which it used to be. Now the scarcity is in attention and people can get a lot of information before they ever make it to your website within peer groups and hopefully watching some Cube interviews, et cetera. So I'm just curious to get your perspective from a Chief Marketing Officer how are you kind of looking at the challenges of getting the message out. It's a really different world than it was years and years ago. >> Yeah. >> People aren't reading white paper so much and it's a different challenge. >> Yeah, and it's part of the fun actually in being in marketing and being in marketing and tech because a lot of that cool technology for marketing is invented right here in the Valley too. So, you know, I think that word of mouth still actually plays an incredible role and it is that customer voice but bringing that out in ways that are accessible for customers. You and I know, we're all very ADD, very time sliced-- >> Right. >> And so those small moments on social media where you can feature bits of information that get people's attention. In fact, we're running something right now, which I think has a lot of legs because at the end of the day I'm selling to a human. >> Right? >> Right. >> Right. >> So we've got B2B monikers but at the end of the day, folks are people that laugh, they cry, they want to have fun. >> Right. >> So we're running a break up with your legacy backup campaign right now. And I encourage the audience to go check it out. It's pinned on our Twitter feed at Cohesity but it pokes a little bit of fun at how you might break up with your older vendor-- >> Right. >> And that's a moment that we think captures folks attention and gets them interested so that maybe they do want to move down and read the white paper and so forth. So I look to do that through combinations of just, you know, bringing out Cohesity's incredible voice, our customer voice, and then sharing it on social because that's the way people really get their information these days. >> Right, this is really interesting cause I think the voice of the customer or the trusted referral's actually more valuable now because it's just a different problem. Before, I couldn't get information, so that was a good valuable sort, now it's really that person's my trusted filter cause I have too much information. >> Right. >> I can't, I can't take it in so that continues to be that trusted filter and conduit so I could just focus on my peers and not necessarily try to read everything that comes out. >> Exactly, you know, so as an example, Manhattan Associates is one of Cohesity's customers and we've been super thrilled to be able to feature them you know, through social, through our website, and let them talk about the benefits of moving to the platform and what they've seen. And I know, I hate to say it, but Gartner as well continues to be an incredible influence on most organizations and, but we're pleased to say that our customers chose Cohesity and we won the Gartner peer insights for data center backup software, just about a month ago. So, that again is another example of customers looking at the options that they have and voting with their voice and we'll continue to drive that message out in the variety of ways and hopefully get people engaged so that they can see that there really is a completely different way of managing your secondary data and getting a lot better efficiencies and a lot lower cost. >> Yeah, good exciting times, challenging times. The old marketing mantra, right? Half of my marketing budget's wasted, I just don't know which half. (laughing) So, you know you got to cover all your bases from the old school Gartner to the new school, having some fun, and some comedy. Well Lynn, really fun to sit down and spend a few minutes and to get deeper into the Cohesity story. >> Likewise, thank you and I'll be seeing you in Orlando, Vegas, and those other points on the compass. >> Alright, she's Lynn Lucas, I'm Jeff Frick. You're watchin' theCUBE from the Palo Alto studios. Great to see ya, we'll see ya next time. Thanks for watchin'. (upbeat music)