>> from Austin, Texas. It's Theo Cube, covering pure storage. Accelerate 2019. Brought to you by pure storage. >> Welcome to the Cube. The leader in live tech coverage covering up your accelerate 2019. Lisa Martin with Dave Ilan in Austin, Texas, this year. Pleased to welcome a couple of guests to the program. Please meet Charlie Boyle, VP and GM of DJ X Systems at N Video. Hey, Charlie, welcome back to the Cube, but in a long time ago and we have Brian Schwartz, VP of product management and development at your brain. Welcome. >> Thanks for having me. >> Here we are Day one of the event. Lots of News This morning here is just about to celebrate its 10th anniversary. A lot of innovation and 10 years. Nvidia partnerships. About two is two and 1/2 years old or so. Brian, let's start with you. Give us a little bit of an overview about where pure and and video are, and then let's dig into this news about the Aye aye data hub. >> Cool, it's It's been a good partnership for a couple of years now, and it really was born out of work with mutual customers. You know we brought out the flash blade product, obviously in video was in the market with DJ X is for a I, and we really started to see overlap in a bunch of initial deployments. And we really realized that there was a lot of wisdom to be gained off some of these early I deployments of capturing some of that knowledge and wisdom from those early practitioners and being able to share it with the with the wider community. So that's really kind of where the partnership was born going for a couple of years now, I've got a couple of chapters behind us and many more in the future. And obviously the eye data hub is the piece that we really talked about at this year's accelerate. >> Yeah, areas about been in the market for what? About a year and 1/2 or so Almost >> two years. >> Two years? All right, tell us a little bit about the adoption. What what customers were able to dio with this a ready infrastructure >> and point out the reason we started the partnership was our early customers that were buying dejected product from us. They were buying pure stored. Both leaders and high performance. And as they were trying to put them together, they're like, How should we do this? What's the optimal settings? They've been using storage for years. I was kind of new to them and they needed that recipe. So that's, you know, the early customer experiences turned into airy the solution, and, you know, the whole point of this to simplify. I sounds kind of scary to a lot of folks and the data scientists really just need to be productive. They don't care about infrastructure, but I t s to support this. So I t was very familiar with pure storage. They used them for years for high performance data and as they brought in the Nvidia Compute toe work with that, you know, having a solution that we both supported was super important to the I T practitioners because they knew it worked. They knew we both supported it. We stood behind it and they could get up and running in a matter of days or weeks versus 6 to 9 months if they built it >> themselves. >> You look at companies that you talk to customers. Let's let's narrow it down to those that have data scientists least one day to scientists and ask him where they are in their maturity model, if one is planning to was early threes, they got multiple use cases and four is their enterprise wide. How do you see the landscape? Are you seeing pretty aggressive adoption in those as I couched it, or is it still early? >> I mean so every customers in a different point. So there's definitely a lot of people that are still early, but we've seen a lot of production use cases. You know, everyone talks about self driving cars, but that's, you know, there's a lot behind that. But real world use cases say medicals got a ton? You know, we've got partner companies that you are looking at a reconstruction of MRI's and CT scans cutting the scan time down by 75%. You know, that's real patient outcome. You know, we've got industrial inspection, we're in Texas. People fly drones around and have a eye. Models that are built in their data center on the drone and the field operators get to re program the drones based on what they see and what is happening. Real time and re trains every night. So depending on the industry really depends on where people are in the maturity her. But you know, really, our message out to the enterprises are start now. You know, whether you've got one data scientist, you've got some community data scientists. There's no reason to wait on a because there's a use case that work somewhere in your inner. >> So so one of the key considerations to getting started. What would you say? >> So one thing I would say is, look any to your stages of maturity. Any good investment is done through some creation of business value, right? And an understanding of kind of what problem you're trying to solve and making sure it's compelling. Problem is an important one, and some industries air farther along. Like you know, one of the ones that most everybody's familiar with is the tech industry itself. Every recommendation engine you've probably ever seen on the Internet is backed by some form of a I behind it because they wanted to be super fast and, you know, customized to you as a user. So I think understanding the business value creation problem is is a really important step of it and many people go through an early stage of experimentation, data modeling really kind of, say, a prototyping stage before they go into a mass production use case. It's a very classic i t adoption curve. Just add a comment to the earlier kind of trend is it's a megatrend. Yes, not everybody is doing it in massive wide scale production today. There's some industries that are farther ahead. If you look forward over the next 15 to 20 years, there's a massive amount of Ai ai coming, and it's a It is a new form of computing, the GPU driven computing and the whole point about areas getting the ingredients right. Thio have this new set of infrastructure have storage network compute on the software stack all kind of package together to make it easier to adopt, to allow people to adopt it faster because some industries are far along and others are still in the earlier stages, >> right? So how do you help for those customers and industries that aren't self driving cards of the drones that you talked about where we use case, we all understand it and are excited about it. But for other customers in different industries. How do you help them even understand the A pipeline? And where did they start? I'm sure that varies very >> a lot. But, you know, the key point is starting a I project. You have a desired outcome from Not everything's gonna be successful, but you know Aye, aye. Projects aren't something that it's not a six month I t project or a big you know, C r m. Refresh it. Something that you could take One of our classes that we have, we do a lot of end user customer training are Deep Learning Institute. You can take 1/2 day class and actually do a deep learning project that day. And so a lot of it is understanding your data, you know, and that's where your and the data hub comes in, understanding the data that you have and then formulating a question like, What could I do if I knew this thing? That's all about a I and deep learning. It's coming up with insights that aren't natural. When you just stare at the data, how can the system understand what you want? And then what are the things that you didn't expect defined that A. I is showing you about your data, and that's really a lot of where the business value comes. And how do you know more about your customer? How do you help that customer better, eh? I can unlock things that you may not have pondered yourself. >> The other thing. I'm a huge fan of analogies when you're trying to describe a new concept of people. And there's a good analogy about Ai ai data pipelines that predates, Aye aye around data warehousing like there's been industry around, extract transformers load E T L Systems for a very long period of time. It's a very common thing for many, many people in the I T industry, and I do think there's when you think about a pipeline in a I pipeline. There's an analogy there, which you have data coming in ingress data. You're cleansing it, you're cleaning it. You're essentially trying to get some value out of it. How you do that in a eyes quite a bit different, cause it's GP use and you're looking, you know, for turning unstructured data into more structure date. It's a little different than data. Warehousing traditionally was running reports, but there's a big analogy, I think, to be used about a pipeline that is familiar to people as a way to understand the new concept. >> So that's good. I like the pipeline concept. One of the one of the counters to that would be that you know, when you think about e. T ells complicated process enterprise data warehouses that were cumbersome Do you feel like automation in the A I Pipeline? When we look back 10 years from now, we'll have maybe better things to say than we do about E D W A R e g l. >> And I think one of the things that we've seen, You know, obviously we've done a ton of work in traditional. Aye, aye, But we've also done a lot in accelerated machine learning because that's a little closer to your traditional Data analytics and one of the biggest kind of ah ha moments that I've seen customers in the past year or so. It's just how quickly, by using GPU computing, they can actually look at their data, do something useful with it, and then move on to the next thing so that rapid experimentation is all you know, what a I is about. It's not a eyes, not a one and done thing. Lots of people think Oh, I have to have a recommend er engine. And then I'm done. No, you have to keep retraining it day in and day out so that it gets better. And that's before you had accelerated. Aye, aye pipeline. Before you had accelerated data pipelines that we've been doing with cheap use. It just took too long so people didn't run those experiments. Now we're seeing people exploring Maur trying different things because when your experiment takes 10 minutes, two minutes versus two days or 10 days, you can try out your cycle time. Shorter businesses could doom or and sure, you're gonna discard a lot of results. But you're gonna find those hidden gems that weren't possible before because you just didn't have the time to do >> it. Isn't a key operational izing it as well? I mean again, one of the challenges with the analogy that you gave a needy W is fine reporting. You can operationalize it for reporting, and but the use cases weren't is rich robust, and I feel as though machine intelligence is I mean, you're not gonna help but run into it. It's gonna be part of your everyday life, your thoughts. >> It's definitely part of our everyday lives. When you talk about, you know, consumer applications of everything we all use every day just don't know it's it's, you know, the voice recognition system getting your answer right the first time. You know there's a huge investments in natural language speech right now to the point that you can ask your phone a question. It's going through searching the Web for you, getting the right answer, combining that answer, reading it back to you and giving you the Web page all in less than a second. You know, before you know that be like you talked to an I. V R system. Wait, then you go to an operator. Now people are getting such a better user experience out of a I back systems that, you know over the next few years, I think end users will start preferring to deal with those based systems rather than waiting on line for human, because it'll just get it right. It'll get you the answer you need and you're done. You save time. The company save time and you've got a better outcome. >> So there's definitely some barriers to adoption skills. Is one obvious one the other. And I wonder if Puritan video attack this problem. I'm sure you have, but I'd like some color on it. His traditional companies, which a lot of your customers, their data is in pockets. It's not at the core. You look at the aye aye leaders, you know, the Big Five data their data cos it's at the core. They're applying machine intelligence to that data. How has this modern storage that we heard about this morning affected that customers abilities to really put data at their core? >> You know, it's It's a great question, Dave and I think one of the real opportunities, particularly with Flash, is to consolidate data into a smaller number off larger kind of islands of data, because that's where you could really drive the insights. And historically, in a district in world, you would never try to consolidate your data because there was too many bad performance implications of trying to do that. So people had all these pockets, and even if you could, you probably wouldn't actually want to put the date on the same system at the same time. The difference with flashes as so much performance at the at the core of it at the foundation of it. So the concept of having a very large scale system, like 150 blade system we announced this morning is a way to put a lot of the year and be able to access it. And to Charlie's point, a lot of people they're doing constant experiment, experimentation and modeling of the data. You don't know that how the date is gonna be consumed and you need a very fast kind of wide platform to do that, Which is why it's been a good fit for us to work together >> now fall upon that. Dated by its very nature. However, Brian is distributed and we heard this morning is you're attacking that problem through in a P I framework that you don't care where it is. Cloud on Prem hybrid edge. At some point in time, your thoughts on that >> well, in again the data t be used for a I I wouldn't say it's gonna be every single piece of data inside an organization is gonna be put into the eye pipeline in a lot of cases, you could break it down again. Thio What is the problem? I'm trying to solve the business value and what is the type of data that's gonna be the best fit for it? There are a lot of common patterns for consumption in a I AA speech recognition image recognition places where you have a lot of unstructured data or it's unstructured to a computer. It's not unstructured to you. When you look at a picture, you see a lot of things in it that a computer can't see right, because you recognize what the patterns are and the whole point about a eyes. It's gonna help us get structure out of these unstructured data sets so the computer can recognize more things. You know, the speech and emotions that we as humans just take for granted. It's about having computers, being able to process and respond to that in a way that they're not really people doing today. >> Hot dog, not a hot dog. Silicon Valley >> Street light. Which one of these is not a street lights and prove you're not about to ask you about distributed environments. You know customers have so much choice for everything these days on Prem hosted SAS Public Cloud. What are some of the trends that you're seeing? I always thought that to really be able to extract a tremendous amount of value from data and to deliver a I from it you needed the cloud because you needed a massive volumes of data. Appears legacy of on print. What are some of the things that you're seeing there and how is and video you're coming together to help customers wherever this data is to really dry Valley business value from these workloads, >> I have to put comments and I'll turn over to Charlie. So one is we get asked this question a lot. Like where should I run my eye? The first thing I always tell people is, Where's your data? Gravity moving these days? That's a very large tens of terror by its hundreds of terabytes petabytes of data moving very large. That's the data is actually still ah, hard challenge today. So running your A II where your date is being generated is a good first principle. And for a lot of folks they still have a lot on premise data. That's where their systems are they're generating the systems, or it's a consolidation point from the edge or other other opportunities to run it there. So that's where your date is. Run your A I there. The second thing is about giving people flexibility. We've both made pretty big investments in the world of containerized software applications. Those things are things that can run on grammar in the cloud. So trying to use a consistent set of infrastructure and software and tooling that allows people to migrate and change over time, I think, is an important strategy not only for us but also for the end users that gives them flexibility. >> So, ideally, on Prem versus Cloud implementations shouldn't be. That shouldn't be different. Be great. It would be identical. But are they today? >> So at the lowest level, there's always technical differences, but at the layers that customers are using it, we run one software stack no matter where you're running. So if it's on one of our combined R E systems, whether it's in a cloud provider, it's the same in video software stack from our lowest end consumer of rage. He views, too. The big £350 dejected too you see back there? You know, we've got one software stack runs everywhere, And when the riders making you know, it's really Renee I where your data is And while a lot of people, if you are cloud native company, if you started that way, I'm gonna tell you to run in the cloud all day long. But most enterprises, they're some of their most valuable data is still sitting on premise. They've got decades of customer experience. They've got decades of product information that's all running in systems on Prem. And when you look at speech, speech is the biggest thing you know. They've got, you know, years of call center data that's all sitting in some offline record. What am I gonna do with that? That stuff's not in the cloud. And so you want to move the processing to that because it's impossible to move that data somewhere else and transform it because you're only gonna actually use a small fraction of that data to produce your model. But at the same time, you don't want to spend a year moving that data somewhere to process it back the truck up, put some DJ X is in front of it. And you're good to go. >> Someone's gonna beat you to finding those insides. Right? So there is no time. >> So you have another question. >> I have the last question. So you got >> so in video, you gotta be Switzerland in this game. So I'm not gonna ask you this question. But, Brian, I will ask you what? Why? You're different. I know you were first. He raced out. You got the press release out first. But now that you've been in the market for a while what up? Yours? Competitive differentiators. >> You know, there's there's really two out netted out for flash played on why we think it's a great fit for an A i N A. I use case. One is the flexibility of the performance. We call multi dimensional performance, small files, large files, meditated intensive workloads. Flash blade can do them all. It's a it's a ground up design. It's super flexible on performance. And but also more importantly, I would argue simplicity is a really hallmark of who we are. It's part of the modern date experience that we're talking about this morning. You can think about the systems. They are miniaturized supercomputers And yes, you could always build a supercomputer. People have been doing it for decades. Use Ph. D's to do it and, like most people, don't want to happen. People focused on that level of infrastructure, so we've tried to give incredible kind of capabilities in a really simple to consume platform. I joke with people. We have storage PhDs like literally people. Be cheese for storage so customers don't have to. >> Charlie, feel free to chime in on your favorite child if you want. I >> need a lot of it comes from our customers. That's how we first started with pure is our joint customers saying we need this stuff to work really fast. They're making a massive investment with us and compute. And so if you're gonna run those systems at 100% you need storage. The confusion, you know, pure is our first in there. There are longest partner in this space, and it's really our joint customers that put us together and, you know, to some extent, yes, we are Switzerland. You know, we love all of our partners, but, you know, we do incredible work with these guys all up and down the stack and that's the point to make it simple. If the customer has data we wanted to make be a simplest possible for them to run a ay, whether it's with my stuff with our cloud stuff, all of our partners, but having that deep level of integration and having some of the same shared beliefs to just make stuff simple so people can actually get value out of the data have I t get out of the way so Data scientists could just get their work done. That's what's really powerful about the partnership. >> And I imagine you know, we're out of time, but I imagine to be able to do this at the accelerated pace accelerated, I'm gonna say pun intended it wasn't but, um, cultural fed has to be pretty align. We know Piers culture is bold. Last question, Brian and we bring it home here. Talk to us about how the cultural cultures appearing and video are stars I lining to be able to enable how quickly you guys are developing together. >> Way mentioned the simplicity piece of it. The other piece that I think has been a really strong cultural fit between the companies. It's just the sheer desire to innovate and change the world to be a better place. You know, our hallmark. Our mission is to make the make the world a better place with data. And it really fits with the level of innovation that obviously the video does so like to Silicon Valley companies with wicked smart folks trying to make the world a better place, It's It's really been a good partnership. >> Echo that. That's just, you know, the rate of innovation in a I changes monthly. So if you're gonna be a good partner to your customers, you gotta change Justus fast. So our partnership has been great in that space. >> Awesome. Next time, we're out of time, But next time, come back, talk to a customer, really wanna understand it, gonna dig into some of the great things that they're extracting from you guys. So, Charlie Brian, thank you for joining David me on the Cube this afternoon. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for David. Dante. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching the Cube. Y'all from pure accelerate in Austin, Texas.

>> from Cambridge, Massachusetts. It's the Cube covering M I T. Chief data officer and information quality Symposium 2019. Brought to you by Silicon Angle Media. >> Welcome back >> to M I. T. Everybody watching the Cube, The leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Volonte here with Paul Guillen. My co host, Tom Davenport, is here is the president's distinguished professor at Babson College. Huebel? Um, good to see again, Tom. Thanks for coming on. Glad to be here. So, yeah, this is, uh let's see. The 13th annual M I t. Cdo lucky. >> Yeah, sure. As this year. Our seventh. I >> think so. Really? Maybe we'll offset. So you gave a talk earlier? She would be afraid of the machines, Or should we embrace them? I think we should embrace them, because so far, they are not capable of replacing us. I mean, you know, when we hit the singularity, which I'm not sure we'll ever happen, But it's certainly not going happen anytime soon. We'll have a different answer. But now good at small, narrow task. Not so good at doing a lot of the things that we do. So I think we're fine. Although as I said in my talk, I have some survey data suggesting that large U. S. Corporations, their senior executives, a substantial number of them more than half would liketo automate as many jobs as possible. They say. So that's a little scary. But unfortunately for us human something, it's gonna be >> a while before they succeed. Way had a case last year where McDonald's employees were agitating for increasing the minimum wage and tThe e management used the threat of wrote of robotics sizing, hamburger making process, which can be done right to thio. Get them to back down. Are you think we're going to Seymour of four that were maybe a eyes used as a threat? >> Well, I haven't heard too many other examples. I think for those highly structured, relatively low level task, it's quite possible, particularly if if we do end up raising the minimum wage beyond a point where it's economical, pay humans to do the work. Um, but I would like to think that, you know, if we gave humans the opportunity, they could do Maur than they're doing now in many cases, and one of the things I was saying is that I think companies are. Generally, there's some exceptions, but most companies they're not starting to retrain their workers. Amazon recently announced they're going to spend 700,000,000 to retrain their workers to do things that a I and robots can't. But that's pretty rare. Certainly that level of commitment is very rare. So I think it's time for the companies to start stepping up and saying, How can we develop a better combination of humans and machines? >> The work by, you know, brain Nelson and McAfee, which is a little dated now. But it definitely suggests that there's some things to be concerned about. Of course, ultimately there prescription was one of an optimist and education, and yeah, on and so forth. But you know, the key point there is the machines have always replace humans, but now, in terms of cognitive functions, but you see it everywhere you drive to the airport. Now it's Elektronik billboards. It's not some person putting up the kiosks, etcetera, but you know, is you know, you've you've used >> the term, you know, paid the cow path. We don't want to protect the past from the future. All right, so, to >> your point, retraining education I mean, that's the opportunity here, isn't it? And the potential is enormous. Well, and, you know, let's face it, we haven't had much in the way of productivity improvements in the U. S. Or any other advanced economy lately. So we need some guests, you know, replacement of humans by machines. But my argument has always been You can handle innovation better. You can avoid sort of race to the bottom at automation sometimes leads to, if you think creatively about humans and machines working as colleagues. In many cases, you remember in the PC boom, I forget it with a Fed chairman was it might have been, Greenspan said, You can see progress everywhere except in the product. That was an M. I. T. Professor Robert Solow. >> OK, right, and then >> won the Nobel Prize. But then, shortly thereafter, there was a huge productivity boom. So I mean is there may be a pent up Well, God knows. I mean, um, everybody's wondering. We've been spending literally trillions on I t. And you would think that it would have led toe productivity, But you know, certain things like social media, I think reduced productivity in the workplace and you know, we're all chatting and talking and slacking and sewing all over the place. Maybe that's is not conducive to getting work done. It depends what you >> do with that social media here in our business. It's actually it's phenomenal to see political coverage these days, which is almost entirely consist of reprinting politicians. Tweets >> Exactly. I guess it's made life easier for for them all people reporters sitting in the White House waiting for a press conference. They're not >> doing well. There are many reporters left. Where do you see in your consulting work your academic work? Where do you see a I being used most effectively in organizations right now? And where do you think that's gonna be three years from now? >> Well, I mean, the general category of activity of use case is the sort of someone's calling boring I. It's data integration. One thing that's being discussed a lot of this conference, it's connecting your invoices to your contracts to see Did we actually get the stuff that we contracted for its ah, doing a little bit better job of identifying fraud and doing it faster so all of those things are quite feasible. They're just not that exciting. What we're not seeing are curing cancer, creating fully autonomous vehicles. You know, the really aggressive moonshots that we've been trying for a while just haven't succeeded at what if we kind of expand a I is gonna The rumor, trawlers. New cool stuff that's coming out. So considering all these new checks with detective Aye, aye, Blockchain new security approaches. When do you think that machines will be able to make better diagnoses than doctors? Well, I think you know, in a very narrow sense in some cases, that could do it now. But the thing is, first of all, take a radiologist, which is one of the doctors I think most at risk from this because they don't typically meet with patients and they spend a lot of time looking at images. It turns out that the lab experiments that say you know, these air better than human radiologist say I tend to be very narrow, and what one lab does is different from another lab. So it's just it's gonna take a very long time to make it into, you know, production deployment in the physician's office. We'll probably have to have some regulatory approval of it. You know, the lab research is great. It's just getting it into day to day. Reality is the problem. Okay, So staying in this context of digital a sort of umbrella topic, do you think large retail stores roll largely disappeared? >> Uh, >> some sectors more than others for things that you don't need toe, touch and feel, And soon before you're to them. Certainly even that obviously, it's happening more and more on commerce. What people are saying will disappear. Next is the human at the point of sale. And we've been talking about that for a while. In In grocery, Not so not achieve so much yet in the U. S. Amazon Go is a really interesting experiment where every time I go in there, I tried to shoplift. I took a while, and now they have 12 stores. It's not huge yet, but I think if you're in one of those jobs that a substantial chunk of it is automata ble, then you really want to start looking around thinking, What else can I do to add value to these machines? Do you think traditional banks will lose control of the payment system? Uh, No, I don't because the Finn techs that you see thus far keep getting bought by traditional bank. So my guess is that people will want that certainty. And you know, the funny thing about Blockchain way say in principle it's more secure because it's spread across a lot of different ledgers. But people keep hacking into Bitcoin, so it makes you wonder. I think Blockchain is gonna take longer than way thought as well. So, you know, in my latest book, which is called the Aye Aye Advantage, I start out talking by about Tamara's Law, This guy Roy Amara, who was a futurist, not nearly as well known as Moore's Law. But it said, You know, for every new technology, we tend to overestimate its impact in the short run and underestimated Long, long Ryan. And so I think a I will end up doing great things. We may have sort of tuned it out of the time. It actually happens way finally have autonomous vehicles. We've been talking about it for 50 years. Last one. So one of the Democratic candidates of the 75 Democratic ended last night mentioned the chief manufacturing officer Well, do you see that automation will actually swing the pendulum and bring back manufacturing to the U. S. I think it could if we were really aggressive about using digital technologies in manufacturing, doing three D manufacturing doing, um, digital twins of every device and so on. But we are not being as aggressive as we ought to be. And manufacturing companies have been kind of slow. And, um, I think somewhat delinquent and embracing these things. So they're gonna think, lose the ability to compete. We have to really go at it in a big way to >> bring it. Bring it all back. Just we've got an election coming up. There are a lot of concern following the last election about the potential of a I chatbots Twitter chat bots, deep fakes, technologies that obscure or alter reality. Are you worried about what's coming in the next year? And that that >> could never happen? Paul. We could never see anything deep fakes I'm quite worried about. We don't seem. I know there's some organizations working on how we would certify, you know, an image as being really But we're not there yet. My guess is, certainly by the time the election happens, we're going to have all sorts of political candidates saying things that they never really said through deep fakes and image manipulation. Scary? What do you think about the call to break up? Big check. What's your position on that? I think that sell a self inflicted wound. You know, we just saw, for example, that the automobile manufacturers decided to get together. Even though the federal government isn't asking for better mileage, they said, We'll do it. We'll work with you in union of states that are more advanced. If Big Tak had said, we're gonna work together to develop standards of ethical behavior and privacy and data and so on, they could've prevented some of this unless they change their attitude really quickly. I've seen some of it sales force. People are talking about the need for data standard data protection standards, I must say, change quickly. I think they're going to get legislation imposed and maybe get broken up. It's gonna take awhile. Depends on the next administration, but they're not being smart >> about it. You look it. I'm sure you see a lot of demos of advanced A I type technology over the last year, what is really impressed you. >> You know, I think the biggest advances have clearly been in image recognition looking the other day. It's a big problem with that is you need a lot of label data. It's one of the reasons why Google was able to identify cat photos on the Internet is we had a lot of labeled cat images and the Image net open source database. But the ability to start generating images to do synthetic label data, I think, could really make a big difference in how rapidly image recognition works. >> What even synthetic? I'm sorry >> where we would actually create. We wouldn't have to have somebody go around taking pictures of cats. We create a bunch of different cat photos, label them as cat photos have variations in them, you know, unless we have a lot of variation and images. That's one of the reasons why we can't use autonomous vehicles yet because images differ in the rain and the snow. And so we're gonna have to have synthetic snow synthetic rain to identify those images. So, you know, the GPU chip still realizes that's a pedestrian walking across there, even though it's kind of buzzed up right now. Just a little bit of various ation. The image can throw off the recognition altogether. Tom. Hey, thanks so much for coming in. The Cube is great to see you. We gotta go play Catch. You're welcome. Keep right. Everybody will be back from M I t CDO I Q In Cambridge, Massachusetts. Stable, aren't they? Paul Gillis, You're watching the Cube?

>> from the Silicon Angle Media Office in Boston, Massachusetts. It's the cue. Here's your host. Still Minutemen. >> Hi, I'm Stew Minutemen. And welcome to a special cute conversation here in our Boston Areas studio where in spring 2019 whole lot of shows where the cubes gonna be on going to lots of events so many different technologies were covering on one of the areas we always love to be able to dig into is what's happening with the users. Many of these shows, we go to our user conferences as well as the community. Really happy to Boca Burger. Believe first time on the program. Steve Methodists famous. Who is the newly elected president of the mug s. So I think most of Ronan should know the V mug organization to the VM where User group. We've done cube events at, you know, the most related events. Absolute talked about the mug we've had, you know, the CEO of the mug on the program. And of course, the VM were Community 2019 will be the 10th year of the Cube at VM World. Still figuring out if we should do a party and stuff like that. We know all the ins and outs of what happened at that show. But you know the V mugs itself? I've attended many. Your Boston V mug is one that I've been, too. But before we get into the mug stuff, Steve could just give us a little bit of your back, because you are. You're practicing your user yourself. >> Yeah, well, first thanks for having me. You know what? I've been watching the cube for years, and it's ah, it's great to be on this side of the of the screen, right? So, yes. So I'm Steve. I think I, you know, show up every day as the associate chief information officer of the University of Massachusetts. Little just for 95 here, and that's my day job. That's my career, right? But what? You know what? I'm excited to be here to talk about what I'm excited in general with the mug is it's a community organization. And so it's a volunteer gig, and that's true of all of our leadership, right? So the from the president of the board of directors to our local leaders around the world, they're all volunteers, and that's I think, what makes it special is We're doing this because we're excited about it. We're passionate about it. >> Yeah, you know the mugs, It's, you know, created by users for user's. You go to them, talk a little bit. It's evolved a lot, you know, It started as just a bunch of independent little events. Is now you know, my Twitter feed. I feel like constantly every day. It's like, Oh, wait, who is at the St Louis? The Wisconsin one? I'll get like ads for like, it's like a weight is the Northeast one. I'm like, Oh, is that here in New England that I don't know about? No, no, no. It's in the UK on things like that. So I get ads and friends around the world and I love seeing the community. So, boy, how do you guys keep it all straight? Man, is that allow both the organic nature as well as some of the coordination and understanding of what's going on. How do you balance that? >> Yeah, that's a great question. And you know, So I was a V mug member for many, many years before I ever got interested in becoming a leader, and you're right it when it started, it was 10 of us would get around with a six pack of beer and a box of pizza, right? And we'd be talking shop and that, you know, that was awesome. And that's what would that was, how it started. But you get to a certain scale when you start talking about having 50,000 now, over 125,000 members around the world. You gotta coordinate that somehow you're right on the money with that. And so that's why you know, we have, you know, a strong, um, coordination effort that is our offices down in Nashville, Tennessee, and their their role is to enable our leaders to give back to their community and take the burden out of running these things. You know, sourcing venues and, you know, working with hotels and stuff. That is effort that not everybody wants to do all the time. And so to do that for them lets them focus on the really cool stuff which is the tech and connecting users. >> Yeah. Can you speak a little bit too? You know what were some of the speeds and feed to the event? How many do you have How much growing, you know, Like I'm signed up. I get the newsletter for activities as well as you know, lots of weapons. I've spoken on some of the webinars too. >> Yeah, well, first thanks for that s o. We have over 30 user cons around the world on three continents. >> In fact, what's the user cough? >> Great questions. So user kind is user conference, you know, consolidated into user Connery. And those are hundreds of end users getting together around the world were on three continents. In fact, I was fortunate enough in March, I went to Australia and I spoke at Sydney and Melbourne on That was awesome, getting to meet users literally, almost a sw far away from Boston. As you can get having the same challenges in the office day today, solving the same business problems with technology. So that was exciting. And so we've got those all over. We also have local meetings which are, you know, smaller in scope and often more focused on content. We've got 235 or Maur local chapters around the world. They're talking about this, and so we're really engaged at multiple levels with this and like you talk about. We have the online events which are global in scope. And we do those, you know, we time so that people in our time zone here in the States could get to them as well as folks in, you know, e m b A and a factory. >> Yeah, and I have to imagine the attendees have to vary. I mean, is it primarily for, you know, Sylvie, um, where admin is the primary title there up to, you know, people that are CEOs or one of the CEOs? >> Yes. So that actually we've seen that change over the past couple years, which is exciting for me being in the role that I'm in is you're right historically was vey Sphere admits, right? And we're all getting together. We're talking about how do we partition our lungs appropriately, right? And now it has switched. We see a lot more architect titles. We Seymour director titles coming in because, you know, I said the other day I was in Charlotte talking and I said, You know, business is being written in code, right? And so there's a lot more emphasis on what it's happening with V m wearing his VM worth portfolio expands. We've got a lot of new type of members coming into the group, which is exciting. >> Yeah, And what about the contents out? How much of it is user generated content versus VM were content and then, you know, I understand sponsorships or part of it vendors. The vendor ecosystem, which vm where has a robust ecosystem? Yes, you know, help make sure that it's financially viable for things to happen and as well as participate in the contest. >> Yes, I feel like I almost planted that question because it's such a good one. So, you know, in 2018 we started putting a strong emphasis on community content because we were, you know, we heard from remembers that awesome VM were content, awesome partner content. But we're starting to miss some of the user to user from the trenches, battle war stories, right? And so we put an emphasis on getting that back in and 2018 we've doubled down in 2019 in a big way, so if you've been to a user kind yet in 2019 but we've limited the number of sponsors sessions that we have, right so that we have more room for community content. We're actually able to get people from around the world to these events. So again, me and a couple folks from the States went toe Australia to share our story and then user story, right? And at the end of the day, we used to have sponsored sessions to sort of close it out. Now we have a community, our right, and Sophie Mug provides food and beverages and a chance to get together a network. And so that is a great community. Our and you know, I was at one recently and I was able to watch Ah, couple folks get to them. We're talking about different problems. They're having this and let me get your card so we can touch base on this later, which at the end of the day, that's what gets me motivated. That's what >> it's about. It's Steve. I won't touch on that for a second. You know what? Get you motivated. You've been doing this for years. You're, you know, putting your time in your president. I know. When I attended your Boston V mark the end of the day, it was a good community member talking about career and got some real good, you know, somebody we both know and it really gets you pumped up in something very, a little bit different from there. So talk a little bit without kind of your goals. For a CZ president of Emma, >> Sure eso I get excited about Vima because it's a community organization, right? And because, you know, I've said this a bunch of times. But for me, what excites me is it's a community of people with similar interests growing together right and reinforcing each other. I know for a fact that I can call ah whole bunch of people around the world and say, Hey, I'm having a problem technically or hey, I'm looking for some career advice or hey, one of my buddies is looking for work. Do you know of any opening somewhere? And that's really powerful, right? Because of the end of the day, I think the mug is about names and people and not logos, right? And so that's what it motivates me is seeing the change and the transformation of people and their career growth that V mug can provide. In fact, I know ah ton of people from Boston. In fact, several of them have. You know, they were administrators at a local organization. Maybe they moved into partners. Maybe they moved into vendors. Maybe they stay where they are, and they kept accelerating their growth. But I've seen tons of career growth and that that gets me excited watching people take the next step to be ableto to build a >> career, I tell you, most conferences, I go to the kind of jobs take boards, especially if you're kind of in the hot, cool new space they're all trying to hire. But especially when you go to a local on the smaller events, it's so much about the networking and the people. When I go to a local user, event it. Hey, what kind of jobs you hiring for who you're looking for and who do I know that's looking for those kind of things and trying to help connect? You know, people in cos cause I mean, you know, we all sometime in our career, you know we'll need help alone those lines that I have, something that's personally that you know, I always love to help >> you. I have a friend who said it. I think best, and I can't take credit for this, right? But it's It can be easy to get dismissed from your day job, right? One errant click could be the career limiting click. It is nigh impossible to be fired from the community, right? And that that, to me, is a powerful differentiator for folks that are plugged into a community versus those that are trying to go it >> alone. Yeah, there are some community guidelines that if you don't follow, you might be checking for sure, but no, if if we're there in good faith and we're doing everything like out, tell me it's speaking. You know, this is such, you know, change. Is this the constant in our world? You know, I've been around in the interview long enough. That's like, you know, I remember what the, um where was this tiny little company that had, you know, once a week, they had a barbecue for everybody in the company because they were, like, 100 of them. And, you know, you know, desktop was what they started working on first. And, you know, we also hear stories about when we first heard about the emotion and the like. But, you know, today you know Veum world is so many different aspects. The community is, you know, in many ways fragmented through so many different pieces. What are some of the hot, interesting things? How does seem a deal with the Oh, hey, I want the Aye Aye or the Dev Ops or the you know where where's the vmc cloud versus all these various flavors? How do you balance all that out? All these different pieces of the community? >> Yeah, it's an interesting question. And to be fair with you, I think that's an area that were still getting better at. And we're still adapting to write. You know, if you look at V mug Five years ago, we were the V's fear, sort of first, last and always right. And now you know, especially is VM. Where's portfolio keeps increasing and they keep moving into new areas. That's new areas for us, too. And so, you know, we've got a big, uh, initiative over the next year to really reach out and and see where we can connect with, you know, the kubernetes environment, right? Cause that the hefty oh acquisition is a really big deal. and I think fundamentally changes or potential community, right? And so you know, we've launched a bunch of special interest groups over the span of the past couple years, and I think that's a big piece of it, which is, if you're really interested in networking and security, here's an area that you can connect in and folks that are like minded. If you're really interested in and user computing, here's what you can connect into. And so I think, you know, as we continue to grow and you know, we're, you know, hundreds of thousands of people now around the world so that you can be a challenge. But I think it's It's also a huge opportunity for us to be ableto keep building that connection with folks and saying, Hey, you know, as you continue to move through your career, it's not always gonna be this. You're right. Change is constant. So hey, what's on the horizon for >> you? When I look at like the field organization for being where boy, I wonder when we're gonna have the sand and NSX user groups just because there's such a strong emphasis on the pieces, the business right now? Yeah, All right, Steve, let's change that for a second. Sure said, You know, you're you got CEO is part of your title, their eyes, what you're doing. Tell me about your life these days and you know the stresses and strains And what what's changing these days and what's exciting? You >> sure? So you know, it's exciting to have moved for my career because I'm an old school admin, right? I mean, that's my background. Uh, so, you know, as I've progressed, you know, I keep getting different things in my portfolio, right? So it started out as I was, you know, I was the admin, and then I was managing the systems engineering team. And then they added desktop support that was out of necessity was like, I'm not really a dustup person, right? So something new you need to learn. But then you start seeing where these synergies are, right? Not to hate, like the words energies. But the reality is that's where we launched our VD. I project at U Mass. Lowell, and that has been transformative for how we deliver education. And it has been a lot of ways. Reduced barriers to students to get access to things they couldn't before. So we had engineering students that would have to go out and finance a 3 $4000 laptop to get the horsepower to do their work. Now, that can use a chromebook, right? They don't have to have that because we do that for them and just they have to have any device t get access via via where horizon. Right, So that happened, and then, you know, then they moved in. Our service is operation, right? So what I'm interested now is how do we deliver applications seamlessly to users to give them the best possible experience without needing to think about it? Because if you and I have been around long enough that it used to be a hassle to figure out okay, I need to get this done. That means they need to get this new applications I have to go to I t there and I have my laptop. Now it's the expectation is just like you and I really want to pull out my phone now and go to the APP store and get it right. So how do we enable that to make it very seamless and remove any friction to people getting their work >> done? Yeah, absolutely. That the enterprise app store is something we've talked about is not just the Amazon marketplace these days. >> In some ways, it is so not all applications rate. Some applications are more specific to platforms. And so that's a challenge, which is, you know, I'm a professor. I really like my iPad. Well, how do I get S P ss on that? Okay, well, let me come up with some solutions. >> Yeah, it's interesting. I'm curious if you have any thoughts just from the education standpoint, how that ties into i t. Personally myself, I think I was in my second job out of school before I realized I was in the i t industry because I studied engineering they didn't teach us about. Oh, well, here's the industry's You're working. I knew tech, and I knew various pieces of it and, you know, was learning networking and all these various pieces there. But, you know, the industry viewpoint as a technology person wasn't something. I spend a lot of time. I was just in a conference this week and they were talking about, you know, some of the machine learning pieces. There was an analyst got up on stage is like here I have a life hack for you, he said. What you need to do is get a summer intern that's been at least a junior in college that studied this stuff, and they can educate you on all these cool new things because those of us have been here a while that there's only tools and they're teaching them at the universities. And therefore that's one of those areas that even if you have years, well, if you need to get that retraining and they can help with that >> no, that's that to me is one of most exciting parts about working in education is that our faculty are constantly pushing us in new directions that we haven't even contemplated yet. So we were buying GPU raise in order to start doing a I. Before I even knew why we were doing and there was like, Hey, I need this and I was like, Are you doing like a quake server? Like they were mining Bitcoins? I don't think so, but it was, you know, that was that was that was an area for us and now we're old. Had it this stuff, right? And so that is a exciting thing to be able to partner with people that are on the bleeding edge of innovation and hear about the work that they're doing and not just in in the tech field, but how technology is enabling Other drew some groundbreaking research in, you know, the life sciences space that the technology is enabling in a way that it wasn't possible before. In fact, I had one faculty member tell me, Geez, maybe six months ago. That said, the laboratory of the past is beakers and Silla scopes, right? The laboratory of the future is how many cores can you get? >> Yeah, all right, So next week is Del Technologies world. So you know the show. The combination of what used to be A M, C World and Del World put together a big show expecting around 15,000 people in Las Vegas to be the 10th year actually of what used to be M. C world. We actually did a bunch of dead worlds together. For me personally, it's like 17 or 18 of the M C world that I've been, too, just because disclaimer former emcee employees. So V mugs there on dhe, Maybe explain. You know, the mugs roll there. What you're looking to accomplish what you get out of a show like that. >> Sure. So V mug is a part of the affiliation of del Technologies user communities. Right? And what I love about user communities is they're not mutually exclusive, right? You absolutely can. Being a converged and Avi mug and a data protection user group. It's all about what fits your needs and what you're doing back in the office. And, you know, we're excited to be there because there's a ton of the move members that are coming to Deltek World, right? And so we're there to support our community and be a resource for them. And that's exciting for us because, you know, Del Del Technologies World is a whole bunch of really cool attack that were that were seeing people run vm were on Ray. We're seeing via more partner with, and so that's exciting for us. >> Yeah, and it's a try. Hadn't realized because, like, I've been to one of the converted user group events before, didn't realize that there was kind of an affiliation between those but makes all the sense in the world. >> Yeah, right. And it's, you know, again, it's an open hand thing, right? Beaten and one being the other. You realize them both. For what? They're what They're great at connecting with people that are doing the same thing. There's a ton of people running VM wear on. Ah, myriad. Like you talked about earlier VM Where's partner? Ecosystem is massive, right? But many, many, many in fact, I would say a huge majority of converged folks are running VM we're >> on it. All right. So, Steve want to give you the final word? What's the call to action? Understand? A lot of people in the community, but always looking from or always, ways for people to get involved. So where do they go? What? What would you recommend? >> Yeah, thanks. So if if you are not plugged into user community now, when you're in the tech field, I would strongly encourage you to do so. Right? V mug, obviously, is the one that's closest to my heart, right? If you're in that space, we'd love to have you as part of our community. And it's really easy. Go to V mug. dot com and sign up and see where the next meet up is and go there, right? If you're not into the VM where space and I know you have lots of folks that air, they're doing different things. Go check out your community, right? But I tell you, the career advantages to being in a user community are immense, and I frankly was able to track my career growth from admin to manager to director to associate CEO, right alongside my community involvement. And so it's something I'm passionate about, and I would encourage everybody to check out. >> Yeah, it's Steve. Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, I give a personal plug on this. There are a lot of communities out there, the virtual ization community, especially the VM. One specifically is, you know, a little bit special from the rest. You know, I've seen it's not the only one, but is definitely Maur of. It's definitely welcoming. They're always looking for feedback, and it's a good collaborative environment. I've done surveys in the group that you get way better feedback than I do in certain other sectors in just so many people that are looking to get involved. So it's one that you know, I'm not only interviewing, but, you know, I can personally vouch for its steeple. Thank you. Thank you so much. Always a pleasure to see you. >> Thanks for having me. >> Alright. And be sure to check out the cube dot net. Of course, we've got dealt technologies world in the immediate future. Not that long until we get to the end of summer. And vm World 2019 back in San Francisco, the Q will be there. Double set. So for both del world del Technologies world and VM World. So come find us in Las Vegas. If you're Adele or Mosconi West in the lobby is where will be for the emerald 2019 and lots and lots of other shows. So thank you so much for watching. Thank you.

>>live from San Francisco. It's the Q covering in dramatic. A World 2017 brought to you by Inform Attica. Welcome >>back, everyone. We live here in San Francisco at the Mosconi West with In From Attica. World 2017. This is Cubes Exclusive coverage. I'm John Furry with the Cube and Peter Barris with vicky bond dot com General manager we have on research. Our next guest is Tracy Ring, specialist leader at Deloitte Consulting in the trenches. Put it all together. Welcome to the Cube. Thanks for joining us today. Appreciate it. >>Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. >>So your specialist, But in the system global system, integrated world, that means you basically globally look at the solutions. And And what's interesting is why I'm excited. Conversation with you is that, you know, point solutions can come and go. But now we're in this compose herbal world of cloud data, etcetera, where ah, holistic view has to be looked at. So what? I want to get your thoughts on in from Attica and what you guys are doing because we've heard it's the heartbeat. But yet there's also a hygiene issue. So you got this heart surgeon and the hygienist, and you have all kinds of specialty rolls of and data. It's pretty broad, but yet supercritical. How do you look at the holistic big picture? >>Absolutely. I mean, we're seeing the view of ecosystems being so much more important. Were so Maney technology disruptors. I mean, three years ago, we weren't even hearing about Kafka, and Duke was really new, and and so I think demystifying, simplifying, helping customers understand the art of the possible what can be done? What are leading practice organizations doing and then really making it real? How do you so this complex story together, how do you best leverage and get your investment out of technologies like in from Attica in their complimentary tools >>is interesting. IBM has Watson in from Attica. Has Claire ASAP has Leonardo s A P has Einstein. >>It would be >>great to get them all together >>and have dinner, right? So I mean, but this speaks >>well, You got Alexa and Amazon and Google. I mean, this is an interface issues you're talking about. Ah, cognitive. A real time new user interface and machine interface into data that is completely out of the possible. It's what's happening in the world is changing. Developers is changing. Practitioners, architects. Everyone's impacted your reaction to all this. >>You know, I think it's probably the most exciting time that we've seen in so long, and I think you so well articulated all of the players that air there. I think when you add in I, O. T. And Device Management, you know it's really an exciting time. And I think it's really driving some amazing things with regard to how organizations are literally transforming themselves. And in both our clients as well as the ecosystem of technologies, companies air are literally shifting their entire business model. It's it's very exciting. >>So one of the things that the typified system integrator types behavior like to elect a lawyer big consulting firm was big application. Let's deploy the big application for accounting for finance for HR whatever. Also culminating in New York, which was the Grand pa of everything. Right now we're talking about analytics where we have to focus on the outcome's not just a big package for a function, but really a complex, ideally strategic differentiating outcome. Yeah, typically using a whole bunch of smaller tools that have to be bought together similar. What John was talking about as a specialist who looks at these tools take us through kind of a new thought process, outcome, capability to tool in the entire journey to get there. >>Absolutely. I think one of the things that delight does that is really, really unique is having conversations that start with art of the possible, what could be done? What are leading practice organizations doing Help me set a strategy? Yeah, and I think the real answer is there's less about sort of benchmarking what everyone else is doing and more about >>really, You got it, You got >>it. It's really about revolutionizing, you know, and and going into a new angle of what is truly, truly possible. And I think, ah, lot of the things that were sort of table stakes and in the way that we would look at success totally turned on its head. And we're looking at organizations monetizing their data and, you know, creating new business ventures because of the insights that they're deriving and a lot of times will use. Delight has an insight studio and a greenhouse, and a couple of really highly collaborative spaces that we take clients to. Ah, well, you know, plan 123 day workshops, depending on how difficult of problem they're trying to solve and help them charter road map. And take that road map, which is in many cases, business oriented business results driven and help them so in and layer in the technologies that are gonna make that reality possible. What's >>the opportunities for cognitive? I mean, you guys talk a lot of Deloitte about a Friday different things, but specifically there's some key opportunity around. Call the cognitive or you guys call the cognitive. IBM also used that word cognition, but really a I artificial augmented intelligence are signs of a new kind of opportunity landscape. Whether you see for customer opportunities out there, >>absolutely, we talk a lot about what we consider the inside driven advantage. And that's really about using all of the tools in the toolkit to make that insight driven, data driven, better decisions around what organizations conduce. Oh, and kind of. It is a huge component of that, you know, it's we've been hearing stories for years about companies sort of predicting the next best offer and you know, we're seeing this move so much further, removing into robotics process automation. You know, the space is getting, I think, even more complex. But I think what's interesting is when we talk to organizations about, you know, they're not hiring tons of people to go out and do data integration through wonderful organizations. Confirm Attica. That's really been solved. So companies were able to both take their technical resource is and shift them into solving Maur difficult problems, hairier technology opportunities and use that to help shape their business. >>That's like compose abilities. So in dramatic, a world's got a set of solutions and technologies. Some sass ified someone fram. But here it is. But you're deluded you. That's just one element to your mix of things composed for clients. You mention those three years opportunities. Digital transformation is kind of the categorical wave >>Iran, but the end of >>the day it's business transformation. You mentioned changing the business model. >>How do >>customers take advantage of those business opportunities in whether it's robotics or industrial i ot or insights and analytics? What What is the customer impact and how did they get those business benefits? >>Yeah, I mean, I think again like I said, a lot of times it starts with, you know, what is their goal? What do they want to be known for in the marketplace and that value branding of Of what is it that they see themselves differentiating amongst their competitors and using a pretty solid process and rigorous approach to that strategy? Tea set? You know, what are the pillars to achieve? That is, I think, a big piece of it. I think the other component is we see a lot of organizations sort of challenging themselves to do more. And we'll have organizations say I believe that I can doom or what? What could I do? And I think that's interesting that >>we'll just fall upon that because Pete and I were talking earlier before we came on about what gets customers excited when the iPad came out. That was the first kind of visual of >>I gotta have my analytics on the dashboard. Let's start. I >>call the dashboard wave now with bots and aye aye. You're seeing another reaction. >>Yeah, I gotta have that. Automated. Do you see it the same way? And how does that >>translate to the custom when they see these this eye candy and the visualization stuff. How does that impact your world and the impact of the customer? Your customer? >>Absolutely. I mean, we used to live in a world where if I needed to have my data extracted, I would, you know, submit a request. And it was this very long, lengthy process. And, you know, when you think about the robotic single and and process automation, you know, automated data pools are are there. And I think the interesting part is is that it's not about just cost out of i t. It's not about, you know, getting off of on premise hardware. It's about driving better customer satisfaction, driving better business outcomes. You know, the implications. I think whether you're in life sciences or you're in retail, you can touch your customer in a way that is. You know what I would say? Sort of delighting them versus just giving them what they asked for. >>So I wanna I wanna test of theory on you and see how live and see how this seals lines up with thinking and where you see your customers going. So we have this notion that wicked bond, our research of what we call systems of agency. And by that we mean effectively that historically we did we create systems that recorded action big t p e r p. More recently, as you said, we're now creating systems that suggest action predictive analytics, those types of things. And now we're moving in the world were actually going to have systems that take action. Yeah, where authority and data have to move together so that the system is acting as an agent on behalf of the brand now in from Attica has done some really interesting things here with some of their new tooling, some of the metadata tooling to ensure that that type of meeting can move with the data. So if you think about where Deloitte and customers are going, are they starting to move into this new realm where we're building systems, take action on behalf of the brand and what does that mean for the types of tooling? But we're gonna have to find for customers so they can make it, you >>know? I mean, this morning we were delighted to hear the latest announcement around how metadata is really such a core component, and and I think of it is metadata is in many cases where most organizations do see the monetization of their data payoff. Right? We're not only do I have highest golden record like we talked about 10 years ago, I have data lineage. I have data traceability. I have the whole entire story. So it's really much more cost justified. Uh, you know, hearing the announcement today of Claire, and you know how we now have the Aye Aye of our clairvoyance is really exciting. And, you know, I I don't know that we're completely there. And I think we'll continue to innovate as in from Attica. Always does. But we certainly are a whole lot closer. And I would say, you know, your concept is you know, certainly we're all going to the park for >>good. My final question. Let's get your thoughts on because you have a global perspective. You work with the ecosystem partners. You heard all the stories. You've heard all the raps and all the Kool Aid injectors from the different suppliers. But there's two things going on that that's interesting. One is we're kind of going back to the end to end solution. Absolutely. I'm seeing five g with Intel Smart cities I ot So everyone wants to get back to that end to an accountability with data and packets moving. All that could step with applications over the top. But yet there's not one single vendor owning it, so it's kind of a multi vendor world, yet it's gotta be in tow end and bulletproof secure. I mean, >>that's your world. It's not derailed. I mean, you got to be busy, your reaction to that. And what's that? What's that >>mean to the industry? And how should customers? I'd look at that Say okay, Want to get some stability? I want great SL ways, but I want a flexibility for compose ability I want and empower my app developers Dr Top Line Revenue. This is the Holy Grail. We're kind of in the wheelhouse right now. >>Yeah, 100%. I think it's a very exciting time and the like, I said, the fabric of what organizations need to sew together two really achieve their analytic insights and, uh, you know, leveraging their data. I think data is just becoming more and more important, and it's a phenomenal place toe to be in both for where I sit on the consulting side helping all of our customers and certainly where globally we're seeing our client's going >>and your and your message to the client is what we got your back on. This >>has to look, that's what you guys do. You sew it together. It's got to be more than that. It's got ideas for you could see. I think it's a >>lot. I think it's that it's not just about bolting in a technology or 10 technologies. It's about solving the most difficulty technology problems with, you know, with data helping. >>You gotta be savvy to, as they say in the swim lanes of the different firms and got to bring your expertise to the table with some of your own tech. >>Absolutely. And and I think for us we never sort of a ra missed that there is a huge business, and if you if you don't take the business aspect of it, what business problem are we solving? What value are regenerating? How are we ultimately impacting our customers customers, you know? Then you know you're sort of missing the what we consider the most important piece of the pie. >>Tracey Ring with the Lloyd. Great to have you on. Thanks for your insight. Very insightful. That all the data's right there. We're gonna make sense of it here in the Cube. Thanks for sharing, Dee Lloyd. Really put it all together. Composing the future Cloud Data Mobile. It's all here. Social is the que bringing all the live action from San Francisco. I'm John for Peter Burst more after this short break.