>>from around the globe. It's the queue with digital coverage of Docker Con Live 2020 brought to you by Docker and its ecosystem partners. Welcome to the Special Cube coverage of Docker Con 2020. It's a virtual digital event co produced by Docker and the Cube. Thanks for joining us. We have great segment here. Precision cancer medicine really is evolving where the personalization of the data are really going to be important to personalize those treatments based upon unique characteristics of the tumors. This is something that's been a really hot topic, talking point and focus area in the industry. And technology is here to help with two great guests who are using technology. Docker Docker containers a variety of other things to help the process go further along. And we got here spring and who's the bioinformatics research assistant and Camille took Who's a student and in turn, you guys done some compelling work. Thanks for joining this docker con virtualized. Thanks for coming on. >>Thanks for having me. >>So first tell us about yourself and what you guys doing at the Children's Cancer Institute? That's where you're located. What's going on there? Tell us what you guys are doing there? >>Sure, So I built into Cancer Institute. As it sounds, we do a lot of research when it comes to specifically the Children's cancer, though Children a unique in the sense that a lot of the typical treatment we use for adult may or may not work or will have adverse side effects. So what we do is we do all kinds of research. But what lab and I love, which we call a dry love What we do research in silica, using computers at the develop pipelines in order to improve outcomes for Children. >>And what are some of the things you get some to deal with us on the tech side, but also there's the workflow of the patients survival rates, capacity, those constraints that you guys are dealing with. And what are some of the some of the things going on there that you have to deal with and you're trying to improve the outcomes? What specific outcomes were you trying to work through? >>Well, at the moment off of the past decade and all the work you've done in the past decade, we've made a substantial impact on the supply of ability off several high risk cancers in Pediatrics on and we've Got a certain Program, which spent I'll talk about in more depth called the Zero Childhood Cancer Program and essentially that aims to reduce childhood cancer in Children uh, zero. So that, in other words, with the previous five ability 100% on hopefully, no lives will be lost. But that's >>and what do you guys doing specifically? What's your your job? What's your focus? >>Yes, so part of our lab Old computational biology. Uh, we run a processing pipeline, the whole genome and our next guest that, given the sequencing information for the kids, though, we sequence the healthy cells and we sequence there. Two missiles. We analyze them together, and what we do is we find mutations that are causing the cancel that help us determine what treatment. So what? Clinical trials might be most effective for the kids and so specifically Allah books on that pipeline where we run a whole bunch of bioinformatics tools, that area buying thematic basically biology, informatics, and we use the data generated sequel thing in order to extract those mutations that will be the cancer driving mutations that hopefully we can target in order to treat the kids. >>You know, you hear about an attack and you hear Facebook personalization recommendation engines. What the click on you guys are really doing Really? Mawr personalization around treatment recommendations. These kinds of things come into it. Can you share a little bit about what goes on there and and tell us what's happening? >>Well, as you mentioned when you first, some brought us into this, which we're looking at, the the profile of the team itself and that allows us to specialize the medication on the young treatment for that patient on. Essentially, that lets us improve the efficiency and the effectiveness off the treatment, which in turn has an impact on this probability off. >>What are some of the technical things? How did you guys get involved with Docker with Docker fit into all this? >>Yeah, I'm sure Camille will have plenty to bring up on this as well. But, um, yes, it's been quite a project to the the pipeline that we have. Um, we have built on a specific platforms and is looking great. But as with most tools in a lot of things that you develop when your engineers eyes pretty easy for them to become platform specific. And then that kind of stuck there. And you have to re engineer the whole thing kind of of a black hole. That's such a pain to there. So, um, the project that Mikhail in my field working on was actually taking it to the individual's pools we used in the pipeline and Docker rising them individually containing them with the dependencies they need so that we could hook them up anyway. We want So we can configure the pipeline, not just customized based off of the data like we're on the same pipeline and every it even being able to change the pipeline of different things to different kids. Be able to do that easily, um, to be able to run it on different platforms. You know, the fact that we have the choice not only means that we could save money, but if there's a cloud instance that will run an app costal. If there's a platform that you know wanted to collaborate with us and they say, Oh, we have this wholesome data we'd love for you to analyze. It's over hell, like a lot of you know, >>use my tool. It's really great. >>Yeah. And so having portability is a big thing as well. And so I'm sure people can go on about, uh, some of the pain point you having to do authorize all of the different, But, you know, even though they Austin challenges associated with doing it, I think the payoff is massive. >>Dig into this because this is one of the things where you've got a problem statement. You got a real world example. Cancer patients, life or death gets a serious things going on here. You're a tech. You get in here. What's going on? You're like, Okay, this is going to be easy. Just wrangle the data. I throw some compute at it. It's over, right? You know what? How did you take us through the life? They're, you know, living >>right. So a supreme I mentioned before, first and foremost well, in the scale of several 100 terabytes worth of data for every single patient. So obviously we can start to understand just how beneficial it is to move the pipeline to the data, rather the other way around. Um, so much time would be saved. The money costs as well, in terms of actually Docker rising the but the programs that analyze the data, it was quite difficult. And I think Sabrina would agree mate would agree with me on this point. The primary issue was that almost all of the apps we encountered within the pipeline we're very, very heavily dependent on very specific versions off some dependencies, but that they were just build upon so many other different APS on and they were very heavily fined tuned. So docker rising. It was quite difficult because we have to preserve every single version of every single dependency in one instance just to ensure that that was working. And these apps get updated quite Simpson my regularly. So we have to ensure that our doctors would survive. >>So what does it really take? The doc arise your pipeline. >>I mean, it was a whole project. Well, um, myself, Camille, we had a whole bunch of, um, automatic guns doing us over the summer, which was fantastic as well. And we basically have a whole team of lost words like, Okay, here's another automatic pull in the pipeline. You get enterprise, you get to go for a special you get enterprise, they each who individually and then you've been days awake on it, depending on the app. Easier than others. Um, but particularly when it comes to things a lot by a dramatic pools, some of them are very memory hungry. Some of them are very finicky. Some of the, um ah, little stable than others. And so you could spend one day characterizing a tool. And it's done, you know, in a handful of Allah's old. Sometimes it could make a week, and he's just getting this one tool done. And the idea behind the whole team working on it was eventually use. Look through this process, and then you have, um, a docker file set up. Well, anyone to run it on any system. And we know we have an identical set up, which was not sure before, because I remember when I started and I was trying to get the pipeline running on my own machine. Ah, lot of things just didn't look like Oh, you don't have the very specific version of ah that this developer has. 00 that's not working because you don't have this specific girl file that actually has a bug fixes in it. Just for us like, Well, >>he had a lot of limitations before the doctor and doctor analyzing docker container izing it. It was tough. What was it like before and after? >>And we'll probably speak more people full. It was basically, uh, yeah, days or weeks trying to set up on in. Stole everything needed around the whole pipeline. Yeah, it took a long time. And even then, a lot of things, But how you got to set up this? You know, I think speculation of pipeline, all the units, these are the three of the different programs. Will you need this version of obligation? This new upgrade of the tools that work with that version of Oz The old, all kinds of issues that you run into when they schools depend on entirely different things and to install, like, four different versions of python. Three different versions of our or different versions of job on the one machine, you know, just to run it is a bit of >>what has. It's a hassle. Basically, it's a nightmare. And now, after you're >>probably familiar with that, >>Yeah. So what's it like after >>it's a zoo? It supports ridiculously efficient. Like it. It's It's incredible what Michael mentioned before, as soon as we did in stone. Those at the versions of the dependencies. Dhaka keeps them naturally, and we can specify the versions within a docker container. So we can. We can absolutely guarantee that that application will run successfully and effectively every single time. >>Share with me how complicated these pipelines are. Sounds like that's a key piece here for you guys. And you had all the hassles that you do. Your get Docker rised up and things work smoothly. Got that? But tell >>me about >>the pipelines. What's what's so complicated about them? >>Honestly, the biggest complication is all of the connection. It's not a simple as, um, run a from the sea, and then you don't That would be nice, but that know how these things work if you have a network of programs with the output of this, input for another, and you have to run this program before this little this one. But some of the output become input for multiple programs, and by the time you hook the whole thing up, it looks like a gigantic web of applications. The way all the connections, so it's a massive Well, it almost looks like a massive met when you look at it. But having each of the individual tools contained and working means that we can look them all up. And even though it looks complicated, it would be far more complicated if we had that entire pipeline. You know, in a single program like having to code, that whole thing in a single group would be an absolute nightmare. Where is being able to have each of the tools as individual doctors means we just have the link, the input on that book, which is the top. But once you've done that, it means that you know each of the individual pools will run. And if an individual fails, or whatever raised in memory or other issues run into, you can rerun that one individual school re hooks the output into whatever the next program is going without having one massive you know, program will file what it fails midway through, and there's nothing you can do. >>Yeah, you unpack. It really says, Basically, you get the goodness to the work up front, and a lot of goodness come out of it. So this lets comes to the future of health. What are the key takeaways that you guys have from this process? And how does it apply to things that might be helpful to you right around the corner? Or today, like deep learning as you get more tools out there with machine learning and deep learning? Um, we hope there's gonna be some cool things coming out. What do you guys see here? And the insights? >>Well, we have a section of how the computational biologist team that is looking into doing more predictive talks working out, um, basically the risk of people developing can't the risks of kids developing cancel. And that's something you can do when you have all of this data. But that requires a lot of analysis as well. And so one of the benefits of you know being able to have these very moveable pipelines and tools makes it easier to run them on. The cloud makes it easier to shale. You're processing with about researches to the hospitals, just making collaboration easier. Mainz that data sharing becomes a possibility or is before if you have three different organizations. But the daughter in three different places. Um, how do you share that with moving the daughter really feasible. Pascal, can you analyze it in a way that practical and so I don't want one of the benefits of Docker? Is all of these advanced tools coming out? You know, if there's some amazing predicted that comes out that uses some kind of regression little deep learning, whatever. If we wanted to add that being able to dock arise a complex school into a single docker ice makes it less complicated that highlighted the pipeline in the future, if that's something we'd like to do, >>Camille, any thoughts on your end on this? >>Actually, I was Sabrina in my mind for the last point. I was just thinking about scalability definitely is very. It's a huge point because the part about the girls as a technology does any kind of technology that we've got to inspect into the pipeline. As of now, it be significantly easier with the use of Docker. You could just docker rise that technology and then implant that straight into the pipeline. Minimal stress. >>So productivity agility doesn't come home for you guys. Is that resonate? >>Yeah, definitely. >>And you got the collaboration. So there's business benefits, the outcomes. Are there any proof points you could share on some results that you guys are seeing some fruit from the tree, if you will, from all this Goodness. >>Well, one of the things we've been working on is actually a collaboration with those Bio Commons and Katica. They built a platform, specifically the development pipelines. We wanted to go out, and they have support for Docker containers built into the platform, which makes it very easy to push a lot of containers of the platform, look them up and be able to collaborate with them not only to try a new platform without that, but also help them look like a platform to be able to shoot action access data that's been uploaded there as well. But a lot of people we wouldn't have been able to do that if we hadn't. Guys, they're up. It just wouldn't have. Actually, it wouldn't be possible. And now that we have, we've been able to collaborate with them in terms of improving the platform. But also to be able to share and run our pipelines on other data will just pretty good, >>awesome. Well, It's great to have you on the Cube here on Docker Con 2020 from down under. Great Internet connections get great Internet down. They're keeping us remote were sheltering in place here. Stay safe and you guys final question. Could you eat? Share in your own words from a developer? From a tech standpoint, as you're in this core role, super important role, the outcomes are significant and have real impact. What has the technology? What is docker ization done for you guys and for your work environment and for the business share in your own words what it means. A lot of other developers are watching What's your opinion? >>But yeah, I mean, the really practical point is we've massively increased capacity of the pipeline. One thing that been quite fantastic years. We've got a lot of increased. The Port zero child who can program, which means going into the schedule will actually be able to open a program. Every child in Australia that, uh, has cancel will be ableto add them to the program. Where is currently we're only able to enroll kids who are low survivability, right? So about 30% the lowest 30% of the viability we're able to roll over program currently, but having a pipeline where we can just double the memory like that double the amount of battle. Uh, and the fact that we can change the instance is really to just double the capacity trip. The capacity means that now that we have the support to be able to enroll potentially every kid, Mr Leo, um, once we've upgraded the whole pipeline, it means will actually be a code with the amount of Children being enrolled, whereas on the existing pipeline, we're currently that capacity. So doing the upgrade in a really practical way means that we're actually going to be a triple the number of kids in Australia. We can add onto the program which wouldn't have been possible otherwise >>unleashing the limitations and making it totally scalable. Your thoughts as developers watching you're in there, Your hand in your hands, dirty. You built it. It's showing some traction. What's what's your what's your take? What's your view? >>Well, I mean first and foremost locks events. It just feels fantastic knowing that what we're doing is as a substantial and quantify who impact on the on a subset of the population and we're literally saving lives. Analyze with the work that we're doing in terms off developing with With that technology, such a breeze especially compared Teoh I've had minimal contact with what it was like without docker and from the horror stories I've heard, it's It's It's a godsend. It's It's it's really improved The quality of developing. >>Well, you guys have a great mission. And congratulations on the success. Really impact right there. You guys are doing great work and it must feel great. I'm happy for you and great to connect with you guys and continue, you know, using technology to get the outcomes, not just using technology. So Fantastic story. Thank you for sharing. Appreciate >>you having me. >>Thank you. >>Okay, I'm John for we here for Docker Con 2020 Docker con virtual docker con digital. It's a digital event This year we were all shale three in place that we're in the Palo Alto studios for Docker con 2020. I'm John furrier. Stay with us for more coverage digitally go to docker con dot com from or check out all these different sessions And of course, stay with us for this feat. Thank you very much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

>>Hey, welcome to this cube conversation with Dell technologies. I'm Lisa Martin. I've got kosha ghost here with me. He's back on the cube director of product management for unified NAS solutions at Dell technologies. CATIA. Great to see you again. >>Yes. I raped a great to be here again. >>We're going to be talking about the major announcement that Dell technologies just made with their scale-out file storage system that has Dell EMC power scale. We're going to unpack the recent announcement, new features, capabilities, all that good stuff. Kaushik let's go ahead and start. Just give us that high level view of Dell EMC power scale. >>Yes, absolutely. Itself power scale is a high-performance scale-out file storage solution. Um, it's the successor to the Isilon family record, which as you guys know, I mean, there's one of the leading file solutions in the market today. Um, power scale one best, which is the file system that runs on power scale and also the Isilon family, um, is offers an exceptional simplicity, flexibility, and performance, um, which is what Isilon and Parscale is known for. I mean, um, if you look at Gardner's magic ordered one, Fs has been listed as the leader in that, uh, in the distributed and object file system. So, uh, so that basically is now our scaled. We launched our first Parscale all flash products last year. And then this year with this launch, we are sort of completing that portfolio, um, with, uh, with new hybrid and archive, uh, platforms. >>Excellent. And we're going to get into that as well. Let's go ahead and start unpacking this announcement. Walk me through some of the key things that are new and announced in this recent announcement. >>Yeah, except we just launched the hybrid archive platforms, um, on, as part of the Parscale family, are there two archive platforms and two hybrid platforms that we launched and, uh, they offer better CPU, performance, cash, and all that stuff, but, but we don't want to go into the speeds and feeds what I really want to hide breast is the, is the software capabilities that is far skull rings for starters. Um, it is, uh, it now includes inline data compression in 99 reduction. It's all built into it. Um, we support now new ransomware protection capabilities with, uh, with this product. Um, there's a new data protection capability that we now support with our, um, with our, our protected data data manager. Um, and, um, and then the, all the goodness of, uh, Iceland, one Fs and Parscale one Fs that sort of continues. >>I imagine, since the launch last year, cash took a lot of customer conversations that helped to drive this launch and the complete transition on the innovation of what we now see as power scale. >>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, there, there have been some great conversations. People have been, um, people have been really waiting for this product offering because now, uh, they can basically combine those flash platforms that we launched last year with these hybrid platforms and can offer a really a solution that only gives you that performance, but also the, the cost and, uh, savings and the value that, um, that, uh, only our powers skill in Iceland can give you, >>Give me a good overview of some of those key capabilities that the existing Isilon customers and the prospective new customers of power scale are going to be able to take advantage of. >>Yes. So the new, some of the new capabilities as in line efficiency, as I mentioned earlier, that's now built into the product. Um, we have a line efficiency today on our all flash platforms. Uh, so now introducing it with these hybrid and archived nodes, what that means is that when you set up a mixed cluster with all flash and hybrid, when you gear the data down from the national hybrid, the data does not have to be rehydrated. They stay compressed, they stay in protected and so on and so forth. So that's one big advantage that you get. Second, um, these power skill hybrid type platforms were built ground up, uh, with our own custom hardware, unlike the flashback phones with be leverage powered servers for these ones, we use our custom hardware. And the reason for that is because what those archive and storage, the whole story we want that density, we can store up to 500 terabytes of usable capacity, effective usable capacity in, in these archive nodes in a single, uh, one U rack unit. And then, uh, of course, uh, from a software perspective, uh, we talked about ransomware protection. So, so we have a new capability with trends of bear protection. And then there's this new capability that we just launched in regard to backups, more efficient, more faster backups with, uh, with our, our protector will be bought predict family of products. >>Excellent. I want to dig into the ransomware and data protection in a minute, but I want to get a sense of the overall theme of the launch. You talked about this being the completion of that tech refresh some of the new capabilities and enhancements that customers are going to be able to take advantage of it. Give me that higher level kind of thematic look at this news. >>The big team of this is basically finishing that Parscale family that we started last year, right? So we started with launching the whole flash. Now with this hybrid and archive. Now we have the flu family done, um, all products, not support in line efficiency, so we can move the data around, you get the same, uh, data doesn't get high rehydrated. Um, you are, you can make it part of a single cluster. Um, and you get all the performance benefits, um, the scalability benefits of one Fs, um, and new data management capabilities, the, um, so all of that, that we started all of that goodness that we started with our skill, all flash. Um, we soft, continued now with this, uh, with this platform. >>Got it. And I know you guys did your own internal study and I'd like you to share some of the results with the audience, you guys compared power scale to competitors in traditional NAS in flash only NAS in mixed NAS, San and software only NAS give us a snapshot into what some of those results were for power scale. >>Yeah. I mean, uh, the big take away out here is that, um, that when it comes to power scale, um, they, we don't have a competitor when it comes to scalability, right? Uh, the fact that you can now work, uh, on petabytes of capacity under a single namespace, a single file system, and also give you that performance. Um, we, there is none to today, right? And, um, and then there may be some which can do those also, but then they don't have the enterprise capabilities like replication, um, and, uh, the rich enterprise capabilities that one, if fit, sets so off performance, scale capabilities and all the, uh, the simplicity of one Fs. And that's basically what the unique thing about our skaters >>W performance scale and simplicity, three things that I'm sure enterprises, small, medium businesses in any industry appreciate you. You talked about the, um, what's new in terms of the hybrid notes and the archive nodes. Can you help us understand what workloads does nos are best targeted for? >>Absolutely so hybrid and archive. What we have realized is that not every data can be a compressed RDU, right? So, so it's not, we would love customers to use our all flash products. They get the deduplication, they get the compression, then it lowers the cost. And clearly then you get the performance and the cost, but there are workloads like media and entertainment, video surveillance, where you will not be able to compress or that guest, rather than it being for a very expensive flash. You could put those data sets in our lower cost archive platforms as an example. And if you have situations where look, I need some performance, but there is a lot of old data and you can actually mix and match it also. So you're going to have those flash platform is giving that performance. And then you have our archive platforms, which is basically giving you the lowest cost storage for that data. And it is not so frequent giving access. >>And there's the flexibility there. So how can, this is the tech refresh? He said, this has been completed now a power scale from Isilon. How can existing Isilon customers take advantage? What are their next steps to be able to take advantage of the newer capabilities and technologies? >>Yeah, absolutely. I mean, one thing we, we, our scale has it, that's very different from others is that Parscale has this mantra called the no, no left behind. So if you are an existing Isilon customer, you can basically add these Parscale nodes to your existing Iceland cluster without breaking any donut. Then we put our scale, we lock them, magically redistribute, rebalance your workloads across these new nodes. And you sort of keep on expanding our cluster. And when you, when you feel like that, you can, uh, take out the older nodes, uh, at the time of your choosing, right? So that stuff, um, that's a huge benefit that we get. So in fact, in some customer environments, their data has been there for almost 10 to 12 years now, uh, uh, because they've never had to do a forklift upgrade. So that sort of continues with this family. Um, if you learn to learn more about it, I would encourage, uh, going to Dell technologies slash power scale, uh, or contact your Dell technologies, uh, rep >>Let's kind of wrap up things here with talking about, dig into ransomware. We've seen ransomware become a household word, the colonial pipeline, the meat packing organization that was attacked earlier this summer. We know that that a lot of data show that there's a one ransomware attack happens every 11 seconds. And of course we only hear about the really big attacks. Um, I've had the opportunity to talk to a lot of cybersecurity leaders lately, and they're showing that ransomware is up, you know, at least 10 X in the last year with this massive pivot to work from home now, work from anywhere. Talk to me about some of the focus that Dell has put in power scale now with perspective of ransomware protection and recovery. >>Yeah. So for ransomware product, we have to do things that we are doing. So one is this concept of a detection. So when an attack is happening, we want it to be able to detect with date at an attack is happening and take some corrective measures, right? And so we have this product called Sabrina eyeglass, which is exclusively built for, uh, uh, built for, uh, uh, our scale and using this product they use, we use AIS, uh, to basically to figure out that if an attack is happening, we detect it. And based on that based on policies, we can then either, if it's happening with only one user, we can start off, um, uh, start off, uh, prevent, uh, sort of lock it down that particular user profile or, or take other corrective actions taking meaning set up. So that's one aspect of it, which is about the detection of it and taking some quick steps. >>Then there's a second aspect of it, which is all about recovery, right? So, so we do have a replications event. If the customer chooses, we can have reputations set up from your Parscale, uh, production cluster to another cluster. And, um, and in that replication, uh, we can introduce an air gap so that, uh, any, anything bad thing is happening here does not get, uh, uh, does not get replicated to that, uh, remote in mine. So, um, so, so those are the two ways, one detecting, and second basically protecting it. Um, and not only just protecting it, but ensuring that air gap, um, capabilities, data as well, so that, uh, the ransom reason not replicated there as well. >>Absolutely critical. Given some of the things that you and I mentioned a few minutes ago in terms of the explosion of ransomware, which hopefully in our remote, remote work hybrid environment, as more technologies like this come out from Dell technologies and its partners, we'll start to see those ransomware numbers go down. Lastly, I want you to just restate, you mentioned a URL where folks can go to learn more information. Now you've got several different links to point folks to, can you go ahead and remind us what those are again? >>Yes, absolutely. I mean, uh, the easiest you are to go to is Dell technologies slash flower scale. I mean, if you're, that's a one-to-one URL and I'd like you to remember, once you go there, there'll be videos, articles, blogs, and you can, uh, look through a much going and then whatever you want from them. >>Excellent contract. Thank you for joining me today. Talking to me about what's new with power scale, congratulations on the completion of the refresh, a lot of new capabilities and, and, uh, technologies that your customers, existing Isilon and feature perspective, power scale customers are going to be able to take advantage of, look forward to hearing in the next few months in customer success stories. Thanks for your time. Thank >>You >>For Casha gauche. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching a cube conversation.

>>live from Copenhagen, Denmark. It's the Q covering Nutanix dot next 2019. Brought to you by Nutanix >>Welcome back, everyone to the cubes Live coverage of Nutanix dot Next I'm your host Rebecca Knight alongside my co host Stew Minutemen. We have two guests for this segment we have. Mika will lose. She's the art director for Nutanix Thank you so much for coming on the show. >>Thank you for inviting me >>And we have Satish Ramachandran, Global head of design at Nutanix Thank you so much for coming on. So it's always so much fun to talk to really creative people, particularly in this technology world. I want to start the conversation by asking Michael first where you go for inspiration and who do you talk to? What he read? What kinds of things do you look at to inspire you to and then bring them back to your job here in Nutanix. So I strongly >>believe that inspiration come from everywhere. No matter where you go is an architecture or you go to the supermarket and you look on packaging or you read a book and you think about images or even just social media. And there is so much variety of different opinion and different cultures to get inspired from. Even from this conference, we took inspiration from Copenhagen, the city, and from Swiss design or from California and divide in the mid century. I put, like not in construction, but like architecture. Er, um, we created this really Sundwall the supreme the best day ever. And I was actually reading a book with my kids, the diary of a wimpy kid. And I was like, Okay, you know what? We can make something really fun out of it. We can take like a page from a diary and create Sabrina Best day, something like that. >>It was truly everywhere. >>It's really every. >>How about Yusa? Tish >>men? It's two parts, actually. I think one is the inspiration when it comes to the aesthetics of design. So to a large degree, I'm a huge fan off minimalism, everything from Japanese paintings, for example, where with two or three strokes, you have a stark on the water. The Bauhaus movement clean, elegant lines very minimal to the point, and even the Scandinavian architecture, for example, is quite minimalistic and very clean. So that is one angle on what we strive to do in terms off getting to minimal, clean, simple. But in the other portion of inspiration is actually comes from empathy because, you know, it's the you know, I care deeply about the human condition, even pre Nutanix sort of teenage angst that never left me right. And ah, so in a sense, is a lot of empathy. Toe what people are going through in terms of technology, how they're using it. How can we make their lives easier? How can we bring about some joys in their life and to a large degree, the secretary working? You know, I t, um, has bean sort of underserved design wise for many years on de. So there's a lot of inspiration that comes in the form of motivation in order to do something for people there. >>Well, yes, it's a teacher, I'm wondering, can help connect the dots with us. I think of minimalism and obviously ties to this simplicity Nutanix and remember in the early days, talking Nutanix to make something truly simple from a technology standpoint usually has a lot of work, and we've been talking to the executive team about, you know, in this multi cloud, highly disperse. Tear it even harder today. So how does some of those core design principles make their way into into Nutanix is world. >>You want me to talk about the process? You know, I >>think >>the process is quite straightforward. I mean, you start with understanding the space, understanding the experience that exists in the space. You don't start with the feature or the product. That's the first thing you start with the people. So you started with a very human centric manner on. Okay, What are they trying to do? What are they trying to achieve and how do you get them in the simplest possible manner to do that? So we have this thing that we use called intentional our design, which is one off our design principles. Very. How do you get someone who has an intention to fulfill their intention with the least amount of effort? And the effort in the middle is what we label less friction constantly. So we talk about trying to become friction less and so on. So the process for that is you start with the person what they're trying to get done, and >>from there you actually >>work all the Muslims in the organization. So design, basically at that point takes on the role of a facilitator by bringing in, you know, engineering product management design itself together and all in service off the user to create an experience, right? So it starts with, you know, formulating the requirements together with engineering and product management. It's address it, then converging on these things by creating prototypes than testing these things with users and so on and then figuring out really what is essential, what can be thrown out and how to keep it really simple. And that's how we build product, basically. >>So that's so. As you said, it starts with this point of empathy, and that is this collaborative process between the engineers and the artists and design team. How would you say that design is more part of the Nutanix philosophy, just rather than the simple, simple, easy, elegant products itself but the entire company? How would you say it's it's built into the philosophy? I actually think this is >>why Nutanix is so unique in our space because we don't just look at the technology we looking at a whole package of design and technology, the left brain and the right brain together. And it comes from our leadership because, dear, it is the great advocator for design. He's really believing in the importance of it, not just a pretty rap on something, but it's something that is meaningful and and really able to provide a full experience for our customers. >>Yeah, meet me how maybe I love to get you both of your commentary. There's a new AH advertising campaign that was launched. The video was in the keynote yesterday. >>It >>all together now it is very colorful, and it is very diverse and at the same time, even, you know, I'm a technology guy. I will often roll my eyes when I see a certain advertising, but to articulate to the world, it's like, Okay, how does my database and multi cloud and all these things play together? Well, way we anthropomorphized though those technology pieces into people on dhe. You've got photos that you can do there, so bring us inside a little bit as to how that you helped the messaging eso some, you know, pretty complex pieces underneath. >>Yes, we're very excited about this campaign. I have to tell you. We worked very hard to conceptualize it and bring it out to the world. And we were very excited to be able to share it here. That next the thinking behind it. Waas, you know I to world is complex and here in Nutanix, we really try to offer a simple way to remove this complexity. So what is a better way than just take those I t concept and business an application manners and personalize them and make them fun. And when you think about Public Cloud, what do you mean? What does it mean to you? How do you envision it when you think about a database? Do you think about the strongman that carrying the cylinder and you >>make it a >>campaign Maur You humanize it, you make it accessible to people and you make it fun And this is what we're trying to do We're trying to delight. Our customers were trying to empower them to be able to do their business in a better way, and that was our goals provide simplicity, choice and delights. >>And as you said, it's it's this ample anthropomorphizing of this. If you've a database where a person what would go with the database person look like it's the cloud Where Human? Yes, exactly. And it just I think they just >>make make it fun and you make it unique and you create something that is different in our scene. And nothing, That's what we're trying to do. >>How do you work together with the engineers? I mean, I know you said. You gather in a room and you are thinking about the end user. How does the customer experience this? But how do artists and engineers communicate? I mean, is that Is that ever a challenge or >>not? Really? No, not really. Actually, it's, Ah, it's a three legged stool. Basically, there's ah, and you know, if you put marketing in there as well for the awareness piece, which precludes anything that we you know the customer uses, it actually becomes a four legged stool. But in terms of building product, it's a three legged stool, which is product management, and they're trying to figure out what is the product market fit, and that's what they bring to the table. The engineer's coming and as we're dreaming up stuff, they're thinking, Is this stuff buildable or not? You know these guys dreaming way too much, right? And so it is a colonization. So and I think that's the crucible in which the best creativity actually comes out. It's not designing isolation where, you know, design dreams up something and the rest of the folks build it. It really isn't that so. We are, actually, in a sense, the way I see it, we have the glue and we formed the Crucible for the colonization. And and in that, you know, good things come out. >>So we hear you are in Denmark, which is design savvy, fashion forward, food obsessed and eyes cultivating that sense of well being in comfort and coziness. What kinds of things are you going to take with you from this conference itself? What are you seeing? What's interesting to you? And how are you gonna bring that back to Nutanix? >>Honestly, for me, I think it's just the warmth of the people in the community in here. They were so invasive and and and kind. And we got a chance to work with a lot of people when we were building this conference. And and to me it's all about the human connection and I think this is something that I will definitely carry with me when we go back to Nutanix. And we were trying to think about our next dock next conference. And you know how we can bring some of that too there as >>well? Yeah, it's to teach anything on dot next Copenhagen, and you know, you're from Berlin, so you're in Europe and get gets a different, you know, cultural input. I >>think they're still. I think >>there is still some stuff. I think around the accessibility mainly for me, like the hotel we're staying. And, you know, first thing I noticed was, you know, that's bringing on, you know, when you have to open the refrigerator, for example, or the closet door And it, I mean, that first thought was like, you know, they have already designed in the accessibility. And then I liberate that back to product, and I think you know how we doing on accessibility. And of course, you know, everything around you here is pretty inspiring in terms of architecture and so on and so forth. So that's a gimme, really. And you see that a lot of it in Germany so that it isn't as much new, but in terms of the conference, it's very heartening that will come this fire. You know, I don't know. Miami many years ago, which is my first conference, you know, we were like all of 600 people, and now we are 4500 here. So in a sense, it's very heartening. And people seem to embrace the, you know, the vision that we're putting foot. Yeah, you know, around convergence off many, many things. >>How deeply technical are both of you? Um, I understand. >>I understand the technology. I understand the struggle. I understand what we're trying to achieve is a company. It doesn't mean I can go and do a demo on stage, but I think it's important to understand the technology of the company that you work for in order to represent it truly and in order to convey the message that we're trying to tell because we are a storyteller. That's what we do. We take the message and the technology, and we bring it out to our customers. So it's important. >>I'm a dyed in the wool engineer s o. I was I mean, my cases where I was an engineer for a fleet to the kids. You know, you take running engineering teams, that kind of stuff. And then I stumbled upon design. So I have a very deep understanding off engineering and what it takes to build stuff. But I have another side of me which is generally around. Empathy, experiences, you know, human interaction, human behavior. What makes people take what frustrates them, those kinds of things. So for me that we design has beena synthesis off many off my interests, and that's why I fell in love with it and have stuck around. >>One of the biggest issues in Silicon Valley and in the technology industry at large is is the skills and the right people the talent gap? How much of an issue is that for the design teams within these technology companies? Because you are looking for so many different skills people who can grasp the technology but then also have this more creative spark Innis to them to how hard is it to find the right people? I think it's a little bit >>of a challenge, but I think we're very fortunate to have amazing teams that understand technology and design in the connection between them. So I know I feel very fortunate with the people I get to work with. Their very there are amazing. Yeah. >>I mean, it was hard in the beginning when we when Nutanix was 150 people or something on the brown. Nobody knew. So then it was very hard to find the right people and to also simplified the vision and to sell it. I still remember spending with every new hire. I would be the first guy they would talk to. And I spent two years in two hours on a whiteboard, talking of taking borders, a technology problem on translating it into an experiential problem. And speaking to really this is very hard to design for and that's where the challenge lies, right? But what a period of time we have successfully built a brand which is a Nutanix design brand. And we have done a ton of things that I'm actually very proud off establishing relationships with universities, even on the social media, having a website, having a proper blawg, various things. When Now we are recognized in the enterprise space as a place for designers to go and work. And there is a certain combination. I figured out where which makes for a good designer in the space. Because if you take people with too little off a technology background, then the ramp up is very high. S o. If you typically you find somebody who's got done some amount of technology than the prior company or in school. And there are people like that. There are plenty of them. And then they moved on to design. And that seems to be the right mix because they can understand the empathize both on the technology side and also on the design side of things. And that makes for the right combination. >>And it's not >>too bad to find people. >>And I think >>technology can be talked. But I think passion and carrying is that part of it is hard to find >>be innate skills. Yeah, exactly. Great. Well, Miguel and McHale and Satish thank you so much for coming on the Cuba and fun and enlightening a conversation. Thank you so >>much. It's great to be here. Thank you so much. >>Thank you, guys. >>I'm Rebecca Knight for stew Minutemen. Stay tuned for more of the cubes. Live coverage of Nutanix dot Next