>> Hi. I'm Stew Minimum. And this is a special on the ground here at the V Tug Summer Slam 2019. It is the 16th year of the event. We had hosted the Cube many times at the veto. Winter warmer and sad to say this actually the final interview for V tug it into the final V tug event. But before we can wrap up a friend of mine, Sean to lean, who is a vey architect with Delhi emcee. I've been promising him for years that we would one of these days do an interview on the Cube at the V tug. So it is the absolute final interview. So, Sean, welcome to the program. Thank you for having me. All right. So, uh, not only do you work for Delhi emcee, but you're part of the social team, you know, here at the V tug event, I had conversations with Lee Ji. It was also his first time in a program on Matt. You know who I've spoken with in the past? Eso, you know, give us a little bit about your background at this event and what this community has meant to you. >> Oh, sure. Um So I'm trying to remember I think this is my fifth or sixth summer Slam. Um I mean, I basically once I started my professional career. You know, one of the first things that you know we did was look for user groups. And so when they usedto hold this event back a Gillette that was very close to home. Um and that was my first experience with the I think back then it was the New England V mug, but it's still the same community and community has always been a big part of my life and my career. I mean, I even joined, you know, AMC, Social Media Community team to basically work with influencers in the broader I t community. But I always make sure that I could do events like this, you know, in the New England area, because it's so important to be a part of this community and the I t crowd. Everybody knows everybody, and you can always learn something new just by talking to people. So, like I purposely go like during lunch and sit down with people who have never met before and introduce myself and see what they do for a living, and it's been a wonderful experience every year. It's a great >> point, you know, community is so important in these events, and especially in a regional event with local on your shirt doesn't matter as much because for the years we've been attending this, almost everybody has changed jobs. You know, companies have been acquired, companies go public, you know, people change their jobs. So it's about the learning as a community, the growth of what's happening, our careers more than kind of some of that day to day battle that, like you might happen in the storage community. >> Yeah, yeah, you got to be able to separate, Say, you know, your professional competitiveness and be able to, you know, just embrace people as people and be able to talk to them and share knowledge. And I think anyone else who's a part of the community is able to do that themselves as >> well. Yeah, it's been interesting. Virtualization was one of those galvanizing technology that brought a lot of people, you know, bloggers and people. Helping to participate in Cloud's been interesting in many ways. You know, there's some fragmentation. There's some tough competition out there yet we're all learning and you know it is most customers today. They've got, you know, hybrid cloud. They've got multi club, they've got lots of environment and therefore the user's, you know, don't necessarily look at some of those battles are going on, But they're looking to help run their business on and, you know, how are you seeing that environ? What? What? What do you hear from you know, users that you speak with today? >> So I'm here in a variety of things. There's a lot of people that are on different points. We'll call it in their cloud journey. There are some people who have just kind of gotten the edict from the board or upper management that says Cloud First, where we're gonna do everything in the cloud on dhe. Some people you know who have jumped all in with that are learning a very painful lesson, especially with their wallet. Um, we found that kind of the sweet spot in it is that hybrid cloud. There are some workloads that are absolutely great for cloud, and there are some that is just expensive. And so depending on the size of your infrastructure, you can actually save a good amount of money by setting up something local and having a cloud strategy as well. It's all about evaluating the workload. And I think earlier today during the keynotes this morning, that message was really coming across that it's not all about the cloud or even just one cloud. I mean, there's countless cloud providers out there with all sorts of different Ma operating models and pricing models. And the beauty of it is we're in a place now with the technology that people can almost nickel and dime and do what is best for them and not necessarily be told. This is how it's gonna be. This is your only option. >> Yeah. One of the things I took away from the keynotes this morning is you know, it is oh, so easy to get caught up on the latest cool tool or, you know, the wave or what people are talking about. But it's you know, what skill sets do I have? How do I make sure I understand what valuable for my business and my career? You know, it is. We bring this one to a close. You know, Sean, you know what you have on that >> Well, it's funny you brought up skill sets because a lot of that can be learned from the community. You know, if you don't have the professional skill sets Or maybe, you know, your employer might not pay the empty up for, you know, organized training. There are so many community based free trainings and webinar Siri's and stuff like that that can get you learned up in this. I remember, you know, in my career I was talking with a customer who was like, You know, we're making a shift. We're going to start being more cloud focused on here. My, I'm doing like updating their VM wear environment, and he's like, I need to get better at this. And I rattled off a few different community programs. I talked to him again six months later. He went through all that, and now he's playing around in Azure and Amazon and starting to learn some of that, and they almost gave him a promotion. They reorg, um, into a new role, where he's got more cloud responsibilities and effectively saved his job because he went to the out to the community and learned these skills. >> Yeah, but I always find in these events, right? If if you if you were open Thio, you know, new ideas, that intellectual curiosity. There is so much opportunity in tech these days. Sean won't want to give you the final word any, you know, memories you have from these events. Either you know, the main or the winter event. You know that you want to share, we bring our coverage to a close. >> I mean, you know, this event has been going on for so long, and it's always good stuff every single time. I'm going to miss the rubber chickens that that has always stuck out and to Mia's as one of the guys don't >> know that that's Hans from GM, where, you know, brings the rubber chickens will throw the little key chains at you when you go, Yeah, >> but you know, in general, you know, there's a lot of events out there where, you know, it's it's, you know, the morning and maybe the afternoon, the party afterwards and I'm not here to be like Party party party, but is almost just as important as the event itself. And I've never seen any other user group or event like that that really puts Satan's that time for networking. You get almost just as much business done. You know, they're talking to people, you know, when you're waiting in line for lobster and stuff like that Here, um, as you know, just kind of mingling around during the day. You meet so many people and make business connections and everything at the after party, Which is why I keep thinking they invest so much money in the after hours. Piece >> of it, I think Great point to end on, Shawn. The community is really central to what goes on there. This event. Listen to the customers and, you know, grew that the breath of the topics that they covered, they kept to keep on it. So 16 years of phenomenal run. I wanna have a big shout out to everyone that helped put the Vita gone. Of course, that is Chris and Don Harney at the court. Chris Williams did a lot of work there, but many other people that helped behind the scenes to make it happen. And of course, it was always the users at this event that with drivers for it, as well as the sponsors that helped participate And through this so Sean to lean. Thank you so much for joining us. Welcome to the Cube alumni. And I'm still minimum. Thank you. As always, for watching this program has been our pleasure. Tiu c All of the V tugs. If you go to the cube dot net, go up in the search bar in touch via tug. You could see previous years We've had so many great guests on the program. You know, I got to interview some of the alumni from the Patriots, which were some definite highlight for me as well as great technical content and good friends that I've made over the years. So with that, we're signing off from the final V tug here in Maine and thank you, as always for watching the Cube.

>> I am stupid men. And this is a special on the ground at the V Tug SummerSlam 2019. Nicky knows this morning is a lot of discussion about what's happened toe I t operations >> people and all of the changes that are impacting their career. One >> of the keynote speakers is Josh at, >> Well, who's a senior technology advocate with Splunk. Just welcome back to the program, >> thanks to always good to be here. >> All right, so you wait until the final V tug to show up s o about better late than never. >> That's exactly the way I look at it. Thank you so much for >> joining and yeah, you know, before you know, I don't want to talk, really hear about community and jobs. And of course, that's right in your sweet spot to talk about. You know, I've met you, you know, years ago, through the virtual ization community virtualization community, always good at, you know, people sharing, contributing and learning with each other. And you know, >> how have you seen that? >> You know, changing as we go into these new worlds of you, talk about nuance and cloud computing and all of these new things that >> have been changing >> well, so that uncovers a whole lot. I >> think one of them We >> need you to do it in, you know, under five >> minutes. I don't think I've >> been ever to have any conversation under five minutes, but I think we could pull this >> up. I think that >> during the virtual ization emerges, we required the bloggers and the contributors in the community in order for us as a as a industry to mature. Even the vendors weren't holy prepared on everything that they were going to need to deliver to handle that change. I think we're seeing a similar type scenario play out now, as digital transformation is impacting so much of what I t and development does, we have a whole new crop in mechanisms for getting people on board and understanding these trends in these new mechanisms. And I think the biggest way that people have really gravitated to our recently from a community standpoint are around events like your develops meet ups, Dev. Ops Day's events like those have been a huge and then video video has been the other element that has been just completely exploding everywhere throughout this and used to be very focused on the written technical documentation. Now it's I'm gonna show you step by step, how to do all these things. And then the last bit that I think is really interesting is because of the changes that we face now. The cultural elements are vastly different. It's a lot more conversation as a community about the cultural impacts of more transparency addressing burnout. How do you you lead up and influence up in an organization. Lots of cool >> stuff, Jack. Just did I see you were actually advocating >> reading books. You know, in your presentation this morning, don't you know millennials? You know, if I if I can't get it on tic tac or something like that and you know my daily newsletter, you know, it's probably a bit little bit too long form I digest, but, you know, maybe expand a little bit about what you were going out there. Well, >> I think one thing >> that's really important to note is that specifically within the IittIe space and with I t operations on as we solid the keynote today, most people have 10 plus years of experience, right? Most of the younger folks coming in and the operations or doing operational roles. And I have a different perspective in view, and they will have more of a development background and what they're doing. And so it's still hyper relevant. Thio Enterprise I t. And I to operations as a whole or consumption through books. And there's some really high quality books that have been published in the last few years. >> Yeah, maybe if you could speak a >> little bit of that, that organizational dynamic you know, the I >> t people >> versus you know, hey, who are those developers? You know, they used to just, you know, build their stuff and tell me to make it work out there. They dress a little bit different. They don't understand their language, you know? Are we seeing I t. And the developers coming together, at least working together? >> I think it's inevitable that we're going to continue to see more and more of that as I talked about earlier today, when Cloud was kind of emerging and, you know, we had rogue I T people development things in particular, going out looking for an easier option to get the IittIe resource is they need most I T departments for, like, roof. We dodged a bullet. We're not going to have to deal with agile development and lean development practices. Well, then, it turned out, Well, we actually need to modernize all of our applications in various different ways. We need to rationalize where they need to go. There's a lot better cost models for some of these applications. Get out of the, you know, spending money on things that aren't differentiating to our business because we have to. And so as such, those bridges have to be developed, and it is on operations team kind of change The model. It was their developing. You're not developing, but ah, helping developers. >> All right, Josh, explain what this new ops thing is that you're talking about. I know you've got the new op stays on, and, you know, so explain a little bit about >> that. Okay, Uh, new >> offices. A realization. Brinkley, that the way that we've operated I t and managed I t isn't going to work going forward with the addition of greater complexity applications being broken out. Micro Service's various cloud platforms, you know, pulling out private cloud using software as a service. I see operations has a much more diverse and much more complex job ahead of them on. And it's also increasing this scale of which what they need to operate. And so new technologies, new framework for how they operate had to be deployed. There's a lot of talk come out by motel I t. But this isn't really about by motility it's about. Here's what you need to do to operate the new. And you also then need to modernize everything that you've been doing to work within those same models, >> all right. And, >> Josh, you're holding the mic so >> that our audience can't see the T shirts. So maybe just >> shut up for a second and explain that one >> s So you know, it's like one of the things that we pride ourselves on or having really interesting T shirts. And this is really just getting just having people get out of the way and let the systems work for you. >> Yeah, absolutely. But it's a good point is, you know, I team you can't be the group of no from or the blocker where the Yale will get that done, and you know, Pope to 18 months and send us a pile of money we need to be able to move fast. The theme that I hear over and over again is it's the agility and tying things to the business. And I thought that was a great point in your presentation is if you don't understand You know what the key business objectives are this quarter in this year. I'm not saying you need to be, you know, drinking the Kool Aid on everything. But if you're not aware of it, you might be running in the total wrong direction. And therefore, things change. You can't be one of those. Oh, jeez. Why am I out of a job? Oh, well, maybe I wasn't relevant to the >> business. And I think what most I T organizations feel is that they don't get respected for their work they're doing, and it's primarily in large part because they can't show the work that they're doing is tying to business value on DSO until they start making that transition on, then becoming an organization that is a driver of business initiatives in business value and customer value. They're they're they're goingto have thio reconcile some of the things that they're doing >> Okay, final thing, Josh. So are there any skill sets >> or jobs that you know? I hate to see. It's like, Oh, you know the hot thing out there. But, you know, as people kind of look at their career, especially those that have been in I t operation for a while, what are some areas that you recommend them to start with? >> Well, I think one area that to core areas I think people really needed that developing good discipline about being data driven data managed. So being able to look at data management platforms, be able to extract, ask good questions of the data and then act on that data, whether it's an automated response or developing a plan for remediation or improvement on then the other is the adoption of automation framework. Specifically, be able to have an understanding of some some type of programming language don't have to be a full on developer, but you should be able to look at work. Other people have done know how to dissect that manipulate manage. It's what you need to be able to do so that you can remove yourself from the workflow, get out of being ticket driven and allow the systems >> that work for you. >> All right. >> Sounds great, Josh. Out. Well, always a pleasure to catch up >> with you on and off >> camera. So thanks so much for joining us. All right. More coverage is always at the cube dot net on stew minimum, and thanks for watching.

>> I'm Stew Minutemen, and this is a special on the ground at the 16th annual end final, The Tugs Summer Slam. We're here in Maine and happy to welcome back to the program. A Cube alumni punishment. Who is a senior cloud advocate with Microsoft but very active member in the communities here. One of the keynote speakers of Viet Formula. So great to see you. >> Thank you for having me. >> And you are representing. We've got the lobster fest tonight, one of your lobster dresses on. I hear even there might be a costume change before this evening. >> There will be a costume change with lobsters and clams. Yeah, I'm a big lobster fans. >> Well, you were definitely on point with Coach her there, and you were right in the mix. You know, love the keynote themes this morning. I think Josh Astral did it well, he said, you know, hey, how many people here? You know, I t operations and like most, the audit And how many years have you been doing it? And it was like one year to year and the over 10 was most of this audience. And of course, we know there's a lot of change going on this industry. But you know, cos and individual careers don't necessarily keep up. So, you know, >> you're a >> little bit about you know, what you've been working on. You know what you see in the communities out there? >> I mean, you're you're definitely right. Cos are struggling to keep up their staff. It's it's tough. There's so much technology out there, you don't know where to begin. So what I've been doing this past year is just helping the community get up to speed, helping them figure out what they want to dio because there's the cloud. What do you want to do in the cloud? Here's some options. I mean, they're just I speak to so many people. They're like, we hear about this as your thing, But what can I do in azure? You know, where can I go learn? And it's it's all good stuff. So that's pretty much my past years. Here's you could dio How can I help you get to your ultimate goal? Just knowing Maur and leveling up? >> Yeah, so you know, I think back to you know, when I was learning it in college, it was getting together with a group of people is one of the best ways to learn who had been through the class or who could you help work through? This virtual ization community was one that worked well together. Groups were ones where people would get together. They'd all right. Blog's about it on. You know, Cloud has been a bit of a transition, so you know what's the same? What's different about Cloud? Then say what we've seen in the virtualization communities. >> So Cloud is fearful. People fear their jobs because they feel like, OK, the cloud is gonna take away my job because now I don't got the manager's infrastructure. And you know what? That's not entirely true. You're still gonna need people the manage, these systems. You're still gonna need people to manage the applications, so one has to govern it. Someone's gotta click the buttons. Yes, it's not on your premises data center, but there's still machine out there running because survivalist doesn't mean there's no servers. So we have to dispel that. Believe for that myth that you won't have a job >> if you go to the cloud. >> Yes, there's some organizations that have reduced some workforce, but it's me. They're still jobs out there. And there's actually more jobs. Cloud related jobs, security focus, a compliance focus that deal with the cloud because, you know, if you look at the headlines now, each day, I'm gonna swear there's always somebody having a data breach there, being fined for doing something not correct with their data. And so there's their jobs out there. So are, you know, the I t staff. The IittIe operation space are so sad mints it's taking up here out. And here's what you could do with it. >> Yeah, yeah, you bring up some great points there. We understand. Look, there are changes happen in John. If you think you can go with the same skill set that you were doing years ago, you probably need to update That being said, there's nobody that I talked to that said, Hey, if I could give you an extra hour or an extra day in the week, do you have other things that you, after working? Absolutely. You brought up security. Is that something that needs more of our attention? And it's not all going to be robots and automation taking care of it. People plus machines need to work together, and therefore there's a lot of ramp. It is early days for all of us in this. So what can I learn? How can I make sure that I'm value for my organization and ultimately, you know, have a longevity in my career? >> Another thing that I've been finding in, what speaking with people is that they just don't have the time. They're like, I'm just so busy at work Where were, you know, with downsized and we're expected to do more with less. I totally get that. I've been in their shoes, but ultimately your career, you own that the company you work for does not own your career. So it's up to you to make that effort to just learn a little bit more. It goes a long way, and I'm seeing a trend now with some I t professionals. They're getting it. They're like, You know what? Yeah, we need to step up. We need to figure out what to do next, because technology is moving so fast, and if we don't keep up, we won't. We won't have jobs. You know you're going to be outdated. It's got it's got to keep moving. Um, you know, Josh is key Note. Perfect. Matzke Newt. >> Perfect >> Technology is constantly evolving. So you, as the IittIe professional we must evolve to. We must evolve with our technologies. You know, it's it's a circle. >> Yeah, You could bring us a great points, You understand? There are only so many hours in the day. And yes, there needs to be some work life balance. But you know what? We need to take control of where we're going and what we're learning. If I just get kind of stuck in my same old way, you're building that rut for yourself as opposed to breaking yourself way. I want to give you a final word. You know, what tips >> do you give people? >> How do they make sure they kind of break out of their existing, you know, environments? And you know, some areas that they might be able to easily in a start understanding what options are available for them in the future. >> The Internet? That's that's easy way M s learned. We've got learning portals for, you know, professionals that go out test things. We've got different labs. There's plenty of blog's out. There's user groups out there, you know, go out to your local user. Groups meet up with people, go the conferences. And I know they cost money, but there's free ones out there. Network linked in find. Find a good network, and it just it just expands from there. And social media, you know, there's a lot through social media between lengthen and whether you could do so much and learn so much from other >> people. Yeah, you bring up some great points. We've talked to you with some of the big shows, like a V M World or a Microsoft ignite. And not everybody can afford the time or the money to do those. But there's meet ups in your local environment. There are user groups usually that can do that. So, you know, reach out and find your committed or online. There is just so many environment. Lots >> of four lots of forms are so much out there and, you know, reach out to me on Twitter. I've exchanged Goddess. I'll point you to the right. >> Absolutely. In Pamela, Thank you so much. You could help introduce our community thio lots of different people. So exchange goddess Twitter. Of course, I'm at Stew on Twitter and we're here from the V tug Summer Slam 2019. Be sure to check out the cute done that for all of the events were gonna be a CZ. Well, as if you do the search, you can actually find some of the historical interviews that we've done with guests like Camilla and many more. I'm still minimum as always. Thanks for >> watching the cue.

from Gillette Stadium in Foxborough Massachusetts it's the cube covering Vita winter warmer 2018 presented by silicon angle hi I'm Stu minimun and we're here at the Vita winter warmer 2018 have with me Chris Harney who's the founder yes and president Vita great to see you Chris great to you so 12th annual one of this event it's gone through a couple of name change it's actually the fifth year we've been doing it I'd been coming for a few years before that but for just for our audience that doesn't know explain kind of the why of the V Tugg you know and what's what's changed you know over the years so so V tug was originally a still founded on the principle that we can get smarter together you know if everyone learns a little piece and teaches everyone because back when it started there was no YouTube there was no Google he had to learn on your own and you know we started out learning how to virtualize machines we learned how the emotion worked well now you're talking serverless applications you're talking crowd or cloud native you talk it's tough going to the cloud is it staying on Prem how do you automate and it's changing I mean Moore's law has gone out the window you know change is happening win weeks rather than years yeah and Chris I always love this it's one of our first events of the year the last few years it's a user group it's good grounding for me to really understand you know the typical people NIT what do they care about what are they struggling you know in what's going on in their world so you know you're going to bring us some of the users that we have on here but from your standpoint you know what are you seeing you know what are you hearing yeah so I'm hearing that users are struggling you know that the old adage 80% of their job is maintaining systems and 20% as upgrades yet 20 of some of the budget is spent on upgrades and 80 so that the dumb numbers are skewed so that having trouble keeping up with technology yeah it you throw out some things you talked about you know server lists type applications you'd key notes this morning we had Microsoft Amazon yet some developer to tracks going on looking at you know orchestration and yet some stalwarts the in the industry you know talking about you know what what's happening from from an IT standpoint where is kind of there is no typical but you know when you look at the range of people that are here um you know are they still I'm doing my virtualization rollout are they you know where are they in the cloud journey have they heard about things like kubernetes and server list yet so this audience may have heard of kubernetes very few people are implementing it I still think you know we matured 10 years ago we haven't kind of made that next leap yet so people are still they've got VMware they've got they're looking at NSX and they're running on what's the next hardware platform hyperconvergence is still a big deal yeah uh and hyper-converged is a big deal I mean we've been watching you for many days as I said this is a good grounding for us because right it's like oh well why is that AWS reinvent I was at cube con and you talk about all this stuff where you know the future is going but you know what what's happening today is super important um I like you you talked about some of the dynamics about like how they spend budget you know we talk a lot today about you know it's got to be a switch from kappa to op X and consumption and you know that that's changing a lot people's roles so training education so super important what are they getting coming to an event like this and what are the resources are you seeing that's and that are important today so at this event I think there's a lot of validation you know we we get inundated with marketing go to the cloud go to cloud and all of these users are coming together hey what are you doing for cloud and they're realizing that everyone is pretty much in the same boat together you know so so that's one thing they get networking they share their problems and what the fixes are and then the vendors they bring their a-game they really do some great training sessions so you know we've got 20 different training sessions going on upstairs and the users will go up there and they'll be able to talk one-on-one with real engineers who are doing this stuff yeah so Chris you know both big Patriots fans we've got you know Tedy Bruschi behind us here the Patriots are actually on the practice field right now getting ready for yet another Super Bowl so yeah it's amazing hopefully bring in ring number six home I think we're good lucky were the cube every time we've done your event the Patriots have still been the hunt so you know we got to keep that going but you know you look at the Patriots you say they've done so well you know other than Belichick and Brady there's been a lot of change you know you're gonna have you know this Patriots alumni is coming and I'm hoping we'll talk to like Logan Mankins and be like you know the game it seen the people change you know the strategies change but you know how do you keep that winning formula and it's a lot of its same an IT I mean so much tech has changed you know in 12 years what's the same and we you know what what's different from your viewpoint so the same you know we all have end users you know we aren't applications delivered without without hesitation or without issues so that's that will always be the same what's changed is how do we deliver that you know we used to put a server in one application and then we had sans you know so we could put the sands in and have smaller servers to virtualization to automation you know people are still looking at clones and making that automation happen faster but I think security is starting to take a 4-4-2 that you know we're seeing what's the Intel some viruses and some weaknesses so I think a lot more people are spending more time remediating possible issues and less time building new stuff yeah great points they are I mean I'm in a first structure guy by background and right you talked we went from server to we went to a VM and even we talk about things like containers and then functions it's that delivery of how do I deliver my application right how do I build modernize applications you know term you know cloud native gets thrown out a lot you know developers you know are involved here and you know it still matters some of those underneath piece even something like serverless eventually somebody is responsible that for for that infrastructure it's just you know we looked at the wiki bond research looked at you know we see a big shift going to platforms whether that be a public cloud or even something like hyper-converged there's less that I need to be worried about building and playing with those geek knobs and more software is going to allow me to handle that as data grows as scale happens I can't have people you know in there having to worry about some of those pieces you know machine learning needs to help you know the the the software itself needs to do it in that that's a shift it's challenging for people to kind of embrace that change understand where they add value and where they need to go and it's events like this that I think help people you know make understand where they need to make those transition points and where they can keep adding value is spot on there and I think people just see a point they need to learn that the more things they can affect the more positive influence they can have on that company and the long longer they'll be there the long they'll want them there if you're just affecting one thing you don't add as much value if you're affecting a thousand things there's a lot more value to you all right well Chris once again it's pleasure having you on the program we really appreciated that we could come you know help share the user activity with our community so thanks so much and you know wishing the past good luck absolutely you up for addiction on the score I hate to do predictions when we're going to be there you know I'm confident the Patriots do well if history has shown us anything it's usually a close game absolutely you know so you know I've seen a couple of Eagles fans here but a lot of Patriots colors so thanks so much and we're gonna be back with lots more coverage here from the V tog winter warmer 2018 I'm stew min Amman and you're watching the cube