>> Announcer: From San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering GitLab Commit 2020. Brought to you by GitLab. >> Hi and welcome to CUBE's coverage of GitLab Commit 2020. We're here in San Francisco, actually, the first CUBE event of the year, and I'm Stu Miniman here with John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE, one of our main CUBE hosts. John, always great to kick off the year with you, and of course, we're digging in on the developer world, cloud native. Nothing better than, you know, the opening keynote talks about, you know, there's a line we've been talking for years, software's eating the world and what are the ripples that are happening on. So, Tom, great to see you, and how come it's so cold here in San Francisco? I mean, I could be back in Boston. >> Coldest winter. I've spent summers here years ago, but it's not summer anymore. But Stu, it's football playoffs. Patriots aren't in, so sorry to hear that our Pats didn't make it. But great to see you. I think one of the things this year in 2020, a new decade, 10 years of theCUBE, looking back, we have been on all the major developer waves since 2010. We jumped on the Hadoop wave with Cloudera. We saw the beginning of that wave of OpenStack to cloud, Kubernetes, containers, the whole nine yards. We've been in the developer community. But this year, cloud native not only is going to continue that expansion of developer CUBE action, but the cross-connect with mainstream, and this is to me the biggest trend of the next 20 years is going to be the open systems model of cloud, just like the open systems interconnect in the '80s created a whole new computer industry, changed the landscape, changed the value proposition, this year, I think we're going to start to see real visibility of value creation where the developers are not just the cliche of the value proposition. That's the cliche. Oh yeah, developers (mumbles). No, no, this is a whole nother game change. With CloudScale, with data, with AI, you're seeing again the importance of this. I think cloud native represents to me that next generation, because with multicloud, there are new criterias out there for success, new requirements. Same game, writing software. Whole new dynamic. Networking, Stu. >> Yeah. >> Compute. >> Yeah, John, and I love actually, I think this was a great show to help us kick it off because you talked about those mega waves out there. We've been watching the growth of some of the huge platforms. AWS was on the keynote stage this morning, Google is doing the closing keynote, and of course one of the major acquisitions, you know, in the relatively recent past was Microsoft buying GitHub. And so we know that developers are so important, but the message we heard from GitLab is it's not about silos anymore. They said not only the dev, the sec, and the ops, but finance and marketing. Everyone needs to get on the same page. GitLab's vision, of course, is that everyone should be using the same tools. That was something that I heard, that we both heard last year at AnsibleFest, that if you're in the same tools, sharing the same information, in the same communication channels, you're going to be able to move fast, and that is what companies need to do. They need to be able to react fast. The business should be able to move. Those software cycles need to be shortened. And that's the mission and the big goal that GitLab has, and I think it's representative of the wave we've been seeing. >> Let's get into the keynote analysis, but before we get to that, I want to, you brought up a point about GitHub. I think there's a real dynamic of GitHub being acquired by Microsoft for many reasons. One is Microsoft's got this cloud called Azure, and not the only cloud in town. Amazon has AWS. And so multicloud is going to be a theme we're going to see more and more of. And so this idea of open and transparent community in open source is interesting in a world where everyone's siloing. I mean, let's face it, GitHub is owned by Microsoft. LinkedIn was acquired by Microsoft. You're starting to see the walled garden world come back again where data is really valuable. And so what's interesting to see is you're seeing a company with GitLab, really one of the first ones to say, "Hey, you know what? "We're going to be anti-walled garden. "We're going to be open. "We're going to be transparent." And again, integrated platform. The cloud is demanding companies have integration requirements that are well above what we saw years ago, and this is now a new table stake. This to me is the real walkaway. What's your thoughts on the GitLab keynote and those industry dynamics? >> Yeah, some great points there, John. Right, first of all, open, fully open. You know, the CEO and the CMO, some of the things they were talking about is sometimes the team doesn't know who's doing the contribution because they're getting regular contribution. They said, "Hey, I didn't see them in the group." Oh wait, that's a customer, that's a partner, someone from the outside doing it. Fully open and transparent and remote. They now have over 1100 employees. Four years ago there were nine of them. And it is fully remote. Actually, do a little compare and contrast. Talk about Amazon. John, how many people do we know that have joined Amazon, and the first thing you do is you move to Seattle, because that's just where they have. Now, of course they've got multiple locations. They've got thousands of employees down in DC, in Massachusetts, in New York City, all over the place, but the core decision-making, even though they are very distributed, Seattle is where everything happens. That's where most of the people live. So GitLab, not only is the company remote, but that's the tooling that they've built really is to enable people to work wherever they are. From GitLab's standpoint, they said hey, we have, one of our software people, she lives in New Zealand, and she has her own power. She's completely off the grid except for her internet. As long as she has internet, she can contribute to the team and participate in the building of GitLab. So it's fascinating. You know, we've talked for years ago the future of work and how that happens. So the tooling as enablement not only to allow everybody to work together, but work together wherever they are and that remote capability, and it is very challenging. You know, we watched Zoom IPO last year, and they're trying to help with that whole wave, but we know that there's a challenging dynamic of being able to work wherever you are. >> So they brought up some stats, interesting. Scale and integration are a big theme. Looks like GitLab's getting it. They made some good calls. Have integration, very friendly integration, very open. And they're essentially consolidating a lot of the different tool chains out there. You look at Jenkins and other things out there, from continuous integration and variety through now mainstream. They got 1100 employees, okay. They got a valuation of $2 billion. They just raised $436 million. They have cash on hand of 350 million and they're going to do revenue. So you have essentially scale in GitLab with an integration story which the cloud guys are being forced. That's my opinion. Do you agree with that and do you think that GitLab can continue the pace of growth given where they're at? >> Well, John, they have something that everybody wants. It's that recurring revenue. So in February 2020, they will have passed the 100 million of ARR, and they've announced that they're going to IPO later this year. We're going to have the CEO on later. I'm a little surprised how fast they are looking to IPO, John. We've seen so many companies that not only do they do big raises, but it's not $100 million, it's two or $300 million. You know, when do you have profitability? When do you go public? So I'm a little curious why there's almost a race for GitLab to go IPO. But absolutely they are catching a lot of these waves. When GitHub was taken off the table, boy did I see Google moving fast to work closer with them. It's no coincidence that Amazon is here, because there's been a little bit of concern from GitHub as to, oh, if I'm doing GitHub, does that mean that I'm kind of being pushed closer to Microsoft Azure, as you said, that cloud. I've read recently GitHub's trying to make sure that they stay independent. We know the GitHub team. And the other big thing we saw is GitLab, about three years ago, they really differentiated themself. They are not just a GitHub alternative. You talked about Jenkins. The CICD is a huge piece of what they're doing. The source code management and CICD, putting those together are the core of what they're doing, but they're trying to be a single tool chain. Boy, when I look at the, you know, the mesh of tooling that GitLab kind of is poking at a little bit, we know a lot of these companies. Some of them are public. Some of them are unicorns. You know, to say that, oh, well, we're going to all of your security chaining. We know how deep and gnarly the security world is. But GitLab, being open, they're going to partner with all of these environments. It's not that you can only use the GitLab pieces. But the audacious goal to say that they are going to be kind of the one tool chain to rule them all is a good goal. I'm hugely supportive my entire career of trying to get rid of silos. But we know that you're still going to have corner cases and use cases that I'm going to need to go deeper. I'm still going to use those best of breeds. And that's one of the things that we're going to look at this year, John, that platform, just like I could go all in on AWS, but I'm still going to use lots of tools on Amazon and I'm going to use other clouds. >> What's your take on, great analysis, by the way. What's your take on as cloud native becomes multicloud where you got edge developing, we got outposts. You're seeing Azure with their stuff. Outposts is Amazon. You now have more pressure on speed and agility than ever before. How does GitLab's story play well into that, and as enterprises have to be faster. Not just enterprises, service providers. There's other new companies doing more cloud and on-premises and edge, AKA multicloud, too. >> Yeah, so I actually, I loved the problem statement that they nailed with talking about the tool chain that's out there is they said more than 50% of devops time is wasted on logistics and repetitive tasks. And John, if you talk about multicloud, it's not just simple to say, "Oh, hey, I threw in a Kubernetes layer "and therefore I can move from my Auzre "to my GCP to my AWS." That's not how it works. I have all the underlying things. I have the interface. That tool and user interface knowledge is challenging to overcome. There are some tools like GitLab, of course, that help me span across those environments. HashiCorp is here at the show, a partner of GitLab. I was just meeting with them recently. And of course, they're going to spread across the multiple cloud environments. But that is really where the meat on the bone is, John, if you talk about multicloud and cloud native. Where are these pieces that can help customers make sure that I'm not too deeply locked into one environment and still being able to leverage the various services that I might want to use across multiple clouds. >> Yeah, I mean, to me, the big takeaway, Stu, on the keynote I made in my notes here is that what I was impressed with is, obviously the transparency that they have is, I love the openness. You know, I mean, this whole silo thing's definitely real. You're seeing more and more. So open and transparent's key. But when you look at what they really have here is the integration story, and cloud is forcing that, in my opinion. But they announced what they call a complete devops platform delivered as a single application, from manage, plan, create, verify, package, secure, release, configure, monitor, and defend. The spectrum of a devops platform. So that to me, I think, is the step that needs to be taken. The question I have is how real is it, in your opinion? Is that what a lot of other people are saying that they have? What's your analysis of that story, reality, legit, and what's their prospects? >> Yeah, well, definitely GitLab has great adoption. The two pieces is the SCM and the CI are the core of what they're doing, and they know that's where people usually kind of walk in the door. Then they kind of land and they look to expand from that. GitLab's made a number of acquisitions, and from 2020, they are going to really double down on making sure that they dig deeper into some of those environments, especially security, planning, and ops were the three priorities that they had there. So, you know, John, we know when you talk about you're trying to be all things to all people, there are going to be things that you will do well and things that you can do great, but, so it is an audacious goal, and with a broad community supporting it. >> Well, we know, you've reported on this and we've told stories about it is that if there's too many tools in an enterprise, you have this tool shed effect where there's no real platform around it, and I call it a tool shed, but if you have too many tools laying around, they're not cohesively integrated, that's a problem that becomes tool sprawl. So this has become an issue. We saw it in the big data world. We saw unification as a strategy for that. Databricks, for example, is a great example of one company that's taken advantage of that trend. Is there a tool problem in the dev space that GitLab's taken advantage of? >> Absolutely, John. And I think something we're going to dig in deep today, we've got a couple of practitioners on, we've got the partners, we've got the executive team from GitLab. John, thank you so much for helping me kick off GitLab Commit 2020 and a massive schedule of theCUBE coverage throughout the entire cloud native multicloud ecosystem. All right, be sure to check out thecube.net for all of the shows that we will be out in 2020 as well as a tremendous back catalog that you can search. For John Furrier, I'm Stu Miniman. Thank you for watching theCUBE. (electronic music)

(upbeat electronic music) >> Announcer: Live from Chicago, Illinois, it's theCUBE, covering Veeamon 2018. Brought to you by Veeam. >> Welcome back to Chicago everybody, the Windy City, you're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage and we're here day two at Veeamon 2018, theCUBE's second year doing Veeamon, and I'm Dave Vellante, with my cohost, Stu Miniman. Patrick Osborne is here, the newly minted VP and GM of big data and secondary storage. >> And CUBE alumni. >> HPE and many time CUBE alumni, did you get a sticker? >> Yeah, it's already on my laptop. >> Oh, awesome, great to see you again. >> Good to see you guys. >> Thanks so much for coming on, always fun at Veeamon. >> Yep. >> They have a big presence. Your show, HPE Discover, they painted the Chi-Town green. >> Patrick: Yep. >> What's going on at the show for you guys? >> So a huge partner for us, in our ecosystem, as you guys know, HPE and the world of virtualized workloads, like, you know, we definitely own the space in terms of the number of Veeams sitting on our infrastructure and they are a great partner. You know, we've got thousands of customers, and I think what we're seeing, too, is that as Veeam grows up into the midsize and enterprise space, that is, you know, that's where our wheelhouse is. And so we're getting a lot of customer interactions in that space, and then, with some of our offerings around Nimble and SimpliVity, where they play very well in the commercial segments, that's a great way for us to go grab new logos, be present in the channel. So it's a really good partnership for us on both ends. >> I definitely want to understand what's going on in big data, but before we get there, let's talk a little bit about secondary storage and your point of view there. We know that data protection is moving way up on the list of CXO priorities, we also know there's a dissonance in the customer base, between the expectations of how much automation is actually there from the line of business, versus what IT can deliver. >> Patrick: Yeah, yeah. >> And so there's this gap and now you have multi-cloud coming on in a big way, digital transformation, and so it feels like backup and recovery and data protection is transforming. Throw in security and it even complicates it further. What's your point of view on what's going on in this mix? >> Well, certainly the sands are shifting in the secondary storage market. I think because of a heightened customer expectation in this area, whether it's, you know, I want to do more with my data, running things that we do at Veeam, like test data, automation, Sandboxing, security, you know, ransomware. All those are higher level data services than just what people were doing in the past around backup and recovery. So for us, we're really focused a lot on automation right in this space. The death of backup and recovery in that traditional space is essentially caused by comPlexxity, right? So automate or die in this space, nobody wants to deal with backup, right? What you want is outcomes, and what we're doing is, for our product line, we've got sort of this three-tiered mantra, of predictive, cloud-ready and timeless. So we want to be able to, through platforms like InfoSite, be able to heavily, heavily automate all those activities. Cloud-ready, because, you know, as we talked before, it's a hybrid world. People, especially in secondary storage, want to have some data on-prem, and certainly a lot of it for archival and retention off-prem. And then, timeless is sort of this scenario around, even though I'm operating a data center, I want the purchasing experience to be elastic, and like, again, the cloud, right? So consumption-based as a service. So that's what we're trying to bring to the market for secondary storage and storage in general. >> Dave: Awesome. >> Patrick, as I look at this space, you talk about that hybrid, multi-cloud world that we talked about. The two big, main things are data and my applications. So you talked a bit about the data, connect for us, kind of the applications and things, cloud native and 12 factor microservices, versus traditional applications. And you've got that whole spectrum, what are you seeing from your customers and how are you helping them? >> Yeah, so, we're definitely seeing a lot of the tech leading customers in the enterprise from HPE, you know, the big logos, right? They're out there disrupting themselves, disrupting industry, are massively betting on analytics, right? So, they've moved certainly from databases to batch now, it's all, you know, I think people call it fast data, streaming analytics, Kafka, Spark. So we're seeing, that part of our business that HPE's growing, like, non-sequentially, right? So it's really good business for us. But what's going on right now, is that the customers who are doing this, these are all net new apps. Kubernetes, you know, new styles of application, it's not a rip and replace, it's more of an augmentation scenario, where you're providing new services on top of existing apps. So that is very new and I think one of the things we'll see over the next couple of years is, how do I protect those workloads? How do I provide multi-cloud for them? So it's an interesting space, it's very nascent, a lot of tech-heavy investment going on for the, you know, the big players in the market. But that's going to have a long tail into the mid range. >> How will the data protection architecture sort of change for those new emerging applications? You know, maybe IoT is another piece of that. And maybe, where does your partnership with Veeam fit into that? >> Yeah, so we are having a number of strategy discussions on that this morning, you know. And I think that space is, you know, there's a lot of identification that has to go on. Do I want to back it up, do I care? Right, are those persistent streams? Or that IoT data that's coming in, do I really have to back it up at the end of the day or can I back up the results? So, a lot of it is not just an availability issue, it's certainly a data management issue. But a lot of the tools that we would need to do that, today, they're focused on bare-metal, VM wear, virtualization, a lot of stuff that hasn't been written yet, right? So I think there's a lot of actual tech development that has to go on in this space and I think we're kind of poised together as partners to deliver in that area the next couple years. >> You guys have this tagline, "We Make Hybrid IT Simple." >> Patrick: Yes. >> IT, you know-- >> Patrick: Very quantifiable. >> It ain't simple. (laughter) So, where does storage fit into that equation? >> Yeah, the stats that blow my mind was, I think IBC came out with this, was that there's essentially around 500 million apps in the data center today. And then, in any sort of spectrum of bare-metal, being virtualized, maybe being containerized, in the next four years there's going to be 500 million net new apps, right? So that's like, it's mind blowing, in terms of, most people have a flat budget, maybe a little increase. So you think that you're doubling the amount of apps you have and all the services around it. So for us, the automation piece is absolutely key, right? So anything we can do with InfoSite as a platform, we're going to be extending that to other products, you see we've done it for 3PAR, we'll be bringing that experience. But anything we can do around automation, analytics, that's going to take a lot of the mystery and comPlexxity out of managing these apps and services, I think is a win for the customers, and that's why they're going to buy into the platforms. >> Yeah, it's like, imagine if you're a young family, you've got two kids and you have twins. >> Patrick: Yeah. (laughter) >> Uh-oh. (laughs) >> Or you decide to have two more, like I did. (laughter) >> Patrick, we've been talking about intelligence in the storage world for decades. >> Yes. >> Why is it real, you know, more real and different now, than it was in some of the previous generations? >> Yeah, I think, you know, some of the techniques... So, we've had systems that have called home and brought telemetry home forever, right? But I think what's going on is that, as you take the tools that we've developed, and a lot of them are new, right, that are allowing you to do this, it's the practition of the data science, which is like the key, at the end of the day. InfoSite is an amazing piece of technology, a lot of the magic is in the way that you set up your teams, and to be able to take that on, right? So, it's no longer a product manager, an engineering guy, support person in a different organization, right? What we have is what's called a peak team, right? Which just takes all the functions, brings them together with a data scientist, to be able to take a look at, how can I do machine learning, AI, a more predictive model, to actually take use of this data, right? And I think the techniques and the organizational design is the big change that's happened over the last couple of years. Data's always been there, right? But now we know what to do with that. >> Yeah, and like you said before, the curve is reshaping, it's not this linear Moore's Law curve anymore. >> Patrick: Yeah. >> It's this exponential curve. >> Patrick: Exactly. >> I can't even draw it anymore you know, it used to be easy, just put the dotted line straight out, now it's twisting. So, that increases the need obviously, for automation. Now talk about how HPE's automation play is differentiable in the marketplace. >> So I think a couple of things from a differentiated perspective. Obviously we talked a lot about InfoSite as a platform, as a portfolio company, we're definitely trying to take out the friction, in terms of the deployment and automation of some of these big data environments. So our mission is to be able to, like you would stand up some analytic workloads in the public cloud, to provide that same experience, on-prem, right? And essentially be the broker for that user experience. So that's an area that we're going to differentiate, and then, you know, in general, there's not that many mega portfolio companies, right, anymore. And I feel like, that we're exploiting that for our customers, bringing together compute networking and storage. And certainly on the automation side. So you know, for us, I really feel that you're no longer going to be buying on horizontal lines anymore. You know, best of breed servers, best of breed networking, best of breed storage, but bringing together a complete, vetted stack for a set of workloads, from a vendor like HPE. >> Yeah, and it was just announced, the deal's not closed yet, but just to mention to the audience, HPE just made an acquisition of Plexxi, a networking specialist-- >> Patrick: Yeah, a good friend, too, Rich Napolitano. >> Rich Napolitano. Just this week, which is interesting, because that brings cloud scale to some of the hyperconvergence infrastructure. It's essentially hyperconverge networking, so really interested to see how that plays out. HPE has made a number of really effective acquisitions over the last several years, starting really with 3PAR, was the one. Clearly Aruba, you know, the Nimble acquisition, you know, SimpliVity, so, SGI. So some really strong, both tactical and strategic moves for HPE, really interested to see how Plexxi sorts out. Okay, we got to talk sports for a minute. I asked Peter McKay this question, I asked his boss, some sports fans, if you were Robert Kraft, would you have traded Tom Brady? >> (sharp inhale) No. >> No way? >> No way, no way. >> Okay, that's consistent with McKay. >> Yeah, no way, that's like trading Montana, that didn't work out. >> That did work out, right? They traded Montana, then they won another Superbowl. >> Yeah, I know, I mean, I think, for me, he's an icon and then he's still operating at maximum efficiency, which is amazing, but I think he got a lot of legs in him. >> What do you think of the... Well hopefully he stays, hopefully he does play 'til 45. What do you think of the Garoppolo trade, though? Are you disappointed that they didn't get more, or do you think it was the right move to hang on, just in case Brady went down again? >> I think it's the right move at the end of the day, right? You're not going to get much from him anyways, and they're certainly not going to pay him out as a backup quarterback. What I don't like, though, is the fact that he's gone to the 49ers, and that's where most of my engineering team is in the Bay Area. So, to have to deal with yahoo 49ers fans, you know, for the next couple years, is going to be painful. But it's good, it's a good renewed rivalry. >> So you're not a-- >> Celtics, Warriors, you know, Patriots, Niners. >> You're not an instant transplanted 49ers fan, because of Garoppolo, right? >> Patrick: No, absolutely not. >> He's a carpet-bagger, right? >> He's out, he's off the team, he's out of the house. >> I love it, okay, Bruins were a big disappointment this year. >> Yeah, yeah. >> We thought that, you know, the Celtics were super exciting, let's go there, I mean. You know, you watched the Celtics early in the year, 'cause your like, after Hayward went down, you're like, kind of' we were all walking around like this. And then you-- >> I felt like, it's like where Kennedy was shot, right? I know exactly where I was, right? >> Right, and you had people blaming Danny Ainge for, like, making a move, I'm like, come on, guys. And you see what happened with the young players, and then they sort of tailed off a little bit, they were struggling, you know, Ky was trying to find his way and now they're the exciting team. Up to on Cleveland, I mean, you got to believe that Lebron is going to step up his game with a little home cooking. But let's assume for a second that they get by Cleveland (laughs) which will be a huge task. I mean, I don't think there's anybody in the NBA who can stop Kevin Durant, but I'd love to see Marcus Smart try. >> So two things in that scenario. One is that, who needs Kyrie Irving more right now, Cleveland or Boston, right? (laughter) Which is amazing, can you imagine saying that a couple months ago? It blows my mind. And then, for me, it's a revamping of the NBA, right? If you get the Celtics versus the Warriors in that style of play, I mean, it's definitely, it's changed the whole game, right? Shooting guards, ballers, I think it's fantastic to see, you know, a whole new style of play in the NBA. >> It's so exciting to see the Celtics back in. >> Team basketball, defense, passing, all of it, it's great. >> And ESPN is losing their minds, they don't know what to do. Stephen A Smith doesn't know what to say. >> Patrick: ESPN Live. >> He's actually pissed I think, yeah. (laughter) So, now, Stu, you're a Yankees fan, of course, and you know my line on the Yankees. Stu's kind of a weekend Yankees fan. My line on the Yankees is, that sucks you can't beat us in April. (laughs) Here it is in May. >> Dave, I'm just quiet around you, because I know where my paycheck comes from. >> I appreciate that perspective, Stu, okay. >> Patriots win, we're in agreement. >> Think about all these renewed rivalries, it's great. Celtics, Sixers, Red Sox, Yankees, it's unbelievable. >> And like I said, San Francisco-- >> Patrick: Phillies! >> And the Pats. >> The Pats! >> Well Patrick, always a pleasure seeing you, thanks for making time out of your busy schedule. >> Yeah, absolutely, it was great. >> For coming on theCUBE. Alright, keep it right there everybody, we'll be back with our next guest, right after this brief break. You're watching theCUBE, Live from Veeamon 2018. (upbeat electronic music)

>> Announcer: Live from Chicago, Illinois. It's theCUBE. Covering VeeamON 2018. Brought to you by, Veeam. >> We're back at VeeamON 2018 in Chicago. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante with Stu Miniman. Paul Madison is here he's the vice president of global cloud business at Veeam. Cloud, is where all the action is. Paul, thanks for coming back on theCUBE. >> No, Dave good to see you again, Stu good to see you. >> So you guys have made, you know, a major push obviously into the Cloud. We talked about, with Peter, that you know Veeam used to be product company. Now you're a platform company. Platforms beat products as we know and Cloud is a key part of that. It's a distribution channel, it's a technology, it's a disruptive force. What's your take on what's happening in Cloud? >> So, we're loving what's going on in the Cloud market space. I think, and I've talked with you guys about this before, the pace of innovation that's happening is absolutely remarkable. And it's all about delivering value for the customer. I heard Danny talk about business outcomes in the Cloud. We see this again and again, the Cloud is emerging as the platform or series of platforms that customers can drive innovation, can drive business agility. And we're excited about that because as the customers are moving there now we are evolving our platform to allow them to know that no matter what infrastructure, what platform they use they've got an answer in Veeam. Right? From a data protection, intelligent data management perspective... Veeam's got an answer. So, we see incredible market opportunity, we see accelerate in innovation and we see our platform evolving to take advantage of all that. >> So as the head of Cloud at Veeam, how does it work? Do you have product requirements, obviously you've got channel relationships to get building how do you spend your time architecting, I mean, how did you architect sort of the Cloud plan for Veeam? >> Yeah, it's still a work in process obviously. We are constantly evolving it as the market changes, we have to continue to evolve our strategy. But I have a lot of internal partners, you know, I partner really closely with Danny's organization from a product strategy. I partner very closely with Anton Gostev on product management, I partner really closely with Carey Stanton on our alliance partners. Because as you can imagine all of them are moving towards the Cloud or have a Cloud strategy. I work with people on pricing, licensing, sales, and marketing. And it's just this great, wonderful ecosystem that we have internally. Where we assess where we want to be, we assess where the platform has to go and we try to evolve all those things together. It's not trivial, there's a lot of work. Especially as we transition from a product company, to a platform company, to a solution company. But those are the kinds of problems that we like to solve, that's exciting stuff for us. >> Paul, wonder if you could speak a little bit to that partner ecosystem. So, you know, we went through years of public cloud is the enemy or public cloud said everything is going here to, you know, the Cloud service providers. And even the traditional vars and integrators, many of them worked with Microsoft for years. Lots of them now working with Amazon in some way or another. >> Paul: Right. >> Walk through a little bit that dynamic of what you are seeing, of course you play it across all of them so you've got a great vantage point. >> Yeah, sure. It's a great question, and it has, Stu, it's evolved in the last I'd say 18 to 24 months. It used to be, when I first started at Veeam, I went to a partner conference and I was six weeks into my tenure at Veeam and I came from Microsoft Azure And the looks on the peoples faces was, oh my God, you know, Veeam is going 100% asual. As the Azure guy here public cloud was bad, right? And so it lit people up and I tried to, and continue to rapidly assure them, no, that's not the enemy, that's not where we're going. We see an evolution now where we do see some Cloud service providers saying, we have to understand that customers want to go there, so I need to be a part of that market. That's why we're making the choices that we're making in terms of how we engineer the platform is that it's about customers having choice. And so, it's not the easiest dynamic to manage, as you might be aware of. But there is value, you see firms that will, now are starting to say, okay I can differentiate based on maybe a vertical orientation that I have. I'm going to specialize by going after the enterprise or by going after health care, financial services. And they're saying alright, those big players are here to stay. I better, I should figure out how to get along with them and how I can add value on top of them. Because from my perspective, and those big hyper scale or public clouds. Sometimes I call them a canvas, you can paint on them. But cloud and service providers can really help bring another level of intimacy to those platforms for their customer and drive value for their customer. So co-opting those large platforms is a good strategy. >> Yeah, alright, so Microsoft background. One of the things that caught our eye is, I believe, it was 2500 downloads already of the Veeam solution. >> Yes. >> For Azure. >> Yes. >> Broad reduction and betaWS, give some color on what's happening with public now. >> Yeah, sure, so we are super excited about what's happening with our Cloud partners. We've had tremendous growth in our VCSP business. We have over 19,000 of them now, globally, which is a huge ecosystem of partners. We've seen 58% year over year growth there. Fantastic growth in the number of machines that are protected by Veeam and Veeam powered services. The AWS marketplace has been, the AWS market is one that we've now, you know, jumped into with our acquisition of N2WS. We've seen terrific, I don't know if you're talking with Ezra or anybody from the N2W side. But they've seen 153% year over year growth since coming on board with Veeam. We have Office365 now, Danny talked a little bit about the new version of that, that we're in private beta of right now. That market is taking off tremendously. We've seen 29,000 downloads of that, 29,000 different customers that have downloaded that. We're currently protecting around three million mailboxes of Office365, so there's just a lot that's, our work with the IBM Cloud, is terrific. They are here, they're our sponsor. Great things going on there, 1,000% growth in the VM's that are deployed using it, on the IBM Cloud. Now their resiliency services practice is building up around Veeam. So there's just this tremendous momentum across all the dynamics of our Cloud business right now. >> Well, customers have to place bets. We love sports analogies in theCUBE. Kentucky Derby just went down, we have the Preakness coming up. And customers I feel like they're placing bets on what's called the under card, right. You've got the big race is the Kentucky Derby, well there's a bunch of races leading up to that, they call that the under card. People warm up, they make little bets here, little bets there. But then when it comes to the big race that's when they put down their big money. And I feel like the Cloud bets have largely been on the under card to date. When you talk to customers, well first of all do you agree with that, and are they asking you, okay, you know, which Cloud should I use where? What bets should I place? Having, you know, run the Azure group, you've got a perspective on this. What do you see customers doing and how do you advise them? >> Yeah, so, that's a great question, what we... So let me take you back a little bit. We did see early on customers that sort of nibbled around the edges, around the under card, and made small bets on it and then for whatever reason made the decision to dive in big. And I think a number of them that didn't work out quite well because as they were going through the under card and managing through that they didn't learn as much as they needed to or the platforms evolved so that they ended up saying, wait a minute, hold on, we maybe shouldn't have made that bet. Alright? So, customers now are, I think they're taking a little more of a smart approach towards it because they realize that, hey, going 100% in with one provider is going to be a challenge, right? They are worried about the old vendor lock in and portability across clouds. We obviously will talk to customers about multi-cloud world, 81% that we surveyed said, I'm not going to have a single Cloud provider. I'm going to try to figure out which work loads to put where. And we're going to continue to help advise them and help figure out how they do that. How those different cloud infrastructures factor into their data protection and availability strategies. >> Yeah, so when you get to the database, the middleware on up and you take that approach. Then, obviously there's substantial skillsets that you're going to need whether you're using, you know, Amazon's databases or Oracle's or IBM's, et cetera. At the infrastructure level, however, and I think this is part of your strategy, you can potentially standardize, you know, you guys want to be the standard for the data protection platform. But you've got to earn their trust and the right to do that. >> Paul: Absolutely. >> But if we're understanding that right, that is the strategy, right? To sort of take that stress away from them, let them worry about which database, which SaaS application. But from an infrastructure stand point, you can rely on Veeam to be that data protection platform. >> That's exactly right. And I think when you were talking with Danny earlier is any app, any data, any cloud. Regardless of where you want to go, bet on us, we've got the answer for you. >> Okay so then follow-up question. Why you guys? You've got system vendors, you've got storage vendors, you know, to a certain extent you got quasi security players. Big established companies, start-ups. Why Veeam? >> Well, I think because of a couple of reasons. First of all the platform is extensive and continuing to grow. And we, I'm thrilled that we are, you know, we've got the platform elements of it. I think you said earlier, platforms always trump products. I'm a firm believer in that. I love platforms. I think the second reason is we're a partner driven and customer driven organization. I know that sort of, that can sound like sort of mom and apple pie but the reality is we are 100% channel focused. We don't compete with those channel partners, we don't compete with cloud service providers. We can enable all of them. And so you've got a great platform, with a great organization that knows how to partner and wants to partner. Those two things come together and make us a great choice. >> How do you, I haven't asked anybody this, I wonder if you'll give us your perspective. Because you're pure channel, how do you, and at the same time customer driven, how do you get that feedback? Obviously you go in with channel partners but how do you ensure that you're getting the high fidelity feedback from the customers? >> So, get with the customer. (laughing) You know, we're 100% channel driven but we are arm in arm with our channel partners. It's not, you know, in some areas of the business, yes there's a lot that goes on that Veeam folks don't get involved with. But when it matters, when it counts, we're arm in arm with our channel partners. We go and visit together, we spend that time, we invest that time. We do partner advisory councils, we do customer advisory boards. You know, we're not... It's not diffused through the channels, I guess is what I want to say. It's very much a true partnership where we are engaged fully. >> Okay, let's get into it. You're a Philly fan, your boss is a Patriots fan. >> Paul: I've heard that, yes. >> You got, I mean. Listen, as a long time Philly fan it's like one of the best feelings in the world when your team wins the Super Bowl. First of all, having your team in the Super Bowl for two weeks having that hype lead up is just the greatest thing in the world, even though you just can't wait for kick-off. But I got to say congratulations. >> Thank you. >> I know you've got to feel good about that. >> Thank you, we feel great about it. It took us a couple of days to catch our breath after the game and quite frankly even during the game. Hey, listen, Tom Brady, two minutes ago has the ball, we were all getting ready to leave the party because we said, hey, we've seen this movie before, we know what's going to happen. Go down the field, touchdown. We're out. >> You can't watch. >> Can't watch it, can't watch it. I really didn't watch the last 30 seconds of the game 'cause I just had my (laughs). No we were super happy about it, I will be honest and say it's been a source of on-going rivalry inside of Veeam. Because we have quite the Boston contingent. But, we've got the trophy. >> Well, pretty amazing that, well 'cause Philly had the really outstanding defense >> Yeah. >> Which everybody tries to predict before the game, right, and then Brady shreds the Philly defense. Who would have known that Nick Fowles is going to score every single time he had the ball except the one fluke interception. >> Paul: Yeah. >> It was really an unbelievable game. I mean, as a Pats fan, we were heartbroken, but wow what a game. >> We loved it and, honestly, the guys have been great about it and almost, I don't know if Peter falls in this category, but almost everyone has said, yeah well Philly was the better team. We lost a great game to a better team, there's been no, oh well, one of our guys tried to say, hey, that whole Philly special play should have been called an illegal formation. But then I gave him a list of all the violations that the Patriots have had in the past five years and he's like, okay. >> Yeah you don't want to sound like the raving fan, right? You know, calling the ineligible, eligible. >> Paul: Right. >> Look, Brady, they made that great call. Brady couldn't make the catch, he couldn't make the catch. Nick Fowles made the catch. Okay then when it came down to execution they stared, you know, into the abyss and they didn't blink. I mean, ya got to give em' credit. And Villanova, I mean, that was awesome. >> They were just a machine. >> Sixers, what happened? Big favorite. I think young team. >> Young team, look, they're going to be good for a while. >> Dave: Should be a good rivalry. >> I think Ben Simmons, you know, he's going to come up. Joel Embiid is an absolute beast but I got to hand it to your team and your coach, I mean, I think in some ways we got out-coached a little bit. >> Dave: When Larry Bird came up and Dr. J was, you know, didn't want to relinquish that mantle. That was some of the best rivalries in the early 80's. With the Sixers and the Celtics so hopefully that will get better. >> Paul: Hopefully we'll get that going again. That'll be awesome. >> We love talking sports and we love talking sports with guys in tech that love sports. Paul, thanks very much for coming back. >> Hey, my pleasure man, thanks for having me, really appreciate it, thanks, guys. >> Alright, keep it right there, everybody, we'll be right back with our next guest right after this short break.

>> Announcer: From Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts. It's theCUBE, covering VTUG Winter Warmer 2018, presented by SiliconANGLE. >> I'm Stu Miniman, and this theCUBE's coverage of VTUG Winter Warmer 2018, in addition to being an Analyst, and the host of this program, I've also been a long-time Patriot's season ticket holder. Real excited to welcome to our program, Logan Mankins, number 70. Thanks so much for joining us. >> Thanks for having me. >> Yeah so it's interesting. At this show we're talking tech, and a bunch of the IT Admins, they're people that you'd consider in the trenches. You, you know spend a lot of time in there. I wonder, a couple of your guys like Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy's here today, making interceptions and things like that, sometimes get a little bit more coverage out there, and they're a little bit more well known. Do you ever feel that you were faceless, you know, paying for the Pats? >> No, those guys, they made all the plays, they got all the recognition but, the linemen, we always knew that without us the offense couldn't go, the team couldn't go so... And most linemen, they don't want to be the face out there anyway. Me personally, I'd rather not be known, but it comes with the job. >> Yeah well, seven-time Pro Bowler. As a matter of fact, I was looking back, and there was this great video from Bill Belichick, and he's like, "There's tough players in the NFL, "but when I think of Logan Mankins, "he's super tough out there." When you look at the game now, Rob Gronkowski took a massive hit in the AFC Championship game. How does toughness and injuries, how did you think about that? Did you think about that when you were playing, versus now being out of the game? >> When I was playing no, you don't really think about it, but fortunately for me, I didn't have hits like that to the head, those big concussion-type hits. The stuff I always played with was just body stuff, and there's always a difference between being hurt and injured. If you're hurt you can still play, and if the injury's not too bad you can still play so, it was just a fine line of figuring out what you could do and what you couldn't. >> Patriots have had a phenomenal run. I mean you played for a great team. Bill Belichick, Tom Brady throughout them all, give us a little perspective of somebody that played for the team for awhile. How did you work through the changes, but yet there were some consistency around the core? >> Yeah, that's the main thing, the core, and they've had an unbelievable run. I don't know what's Bill been there, 18 years or something? And it's been unbelievable to see what those guys have accomplished and, it all starts at the top. You have a good owner and the best coach ever, and the best quarterback ever so, as long as you get the right guys that buy into that system, and follow those two guys, you're going to have a good team. >> Last year Deion Branch shared with us some great stories about Tom Brady, his, hyper-competitive type of guy. Give us a little color. What's it like playing in front of TB 12? >> Aw, it's great you know, you know he's always prepared. You never have to worry about him, he's going to play great the majority of the time and, just the way he competes and works. It rubs off on other guys and, he's just so dependable and can make all the right reads, throws, and he's a great guy to be around on top of that so, he's the ultimate teammate, and ultimate competitor, and that's why he's had so much success. >> You said that you didn't take, you played through some injuries, you had some, you played when you were hurt and, we know you had some rough injuries during your career, but concussions weren't a concern. Is it something that you look back now, or look at the game today, and all those things about CTE and concussions, is that, you know...? >> Oh yeah, the more you learn about it, the more you worry about it, because you're aware of it now. I think when I started playing football no one talked about it. There was no worries about it, and towards the end of my career it really started coming out, and more comes out about it every year so... Of course you worry about it. You hope you're one of the guys it's not going to affect, but there are guys that it's really affecting in bad ways, so at this stage of my life, it's too late to go back so it's, we'll see what happens I guess. >> Yeah, would you recommend young people going into football, knowing what you know now? >> I think so there's... It's a lot safer now. You're not taking those big... Well, every once in awhile a guy's just going to take one, you just saw Rob the other day. But for the most part they're trying to prevent that, and via techniques that they're teaching now with the blocking and the tackling, to not use your head as much, so it's a lot safer and look, at the end of the day, it's up to whoever's making that decision to play, and if they want to play, then they have the right to play. >> So we're obviously, everybody locally is super excited, getting ready for another Super Bowl. How does the team stay focused? You know, two weeks leading up to it, there's a lot going on. It's not New Orleans that they're going to, but how does the team stay focused on their job? >> Well, this team with the Patriots, they've been through it so many times, and they know what, they have a big job ahead of them. But they do a good job with what I was hearing when we went to Super Bowls. Like all the tickets and the hotel rooms for family and all that, they do a great job by getting that out of the way the first two days, and get that taken care of so you don't have to worry about that. And then it's on to the opponent that you're playing, and you just focus in on that, and Bill has, he's great at just, he draws a line, and follows that line so he'll have everyone in that line, and everyone will be ready, there won't be any distractions, and they'll be ready to go. >> Speaking of distractions, there's been a lot of noise in the press lately, as the relationships, everything like that. When you were in the locker room, does that hit your radar? Do you just focus and do your job? How does that impact what's going on? >> Yeah most stories, they don't bother you. They got to find stuff to write about but, the last one I guess with those guys, the story coming out that they're feuding, and this and that. I don't know if they are or they're not but, if they're not, I think that would upset me if they said I was feuding with someone that I wasn't, that has been a colleague, and most likely a friend of yours for that long. >> Well, Logan Makin, really appreciate you joining. Patriots has some phenomenal guards. You know, Hannah, in the Hall of Fame. You're definitely up there as one of the greatest guards in Patriot's history. >> I appreciate that. >> I really appreciate you joining me. >> Alright, thank you. >> Alright, so thanks again to the VTUG for bringing Logan Mankins. Love being here at the Intersection Virtualization Technology, and the Patriots. I'm Stu Miniman. Thanks for watching theCUBE. (tech music)

>> Announcer: Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering Red Hat Summit 2017, brought to you by Red Hat. >> We are wrapping up day two of theCUBE's coverage here at the Red Hat Summit here in Boston, Massachusetts, I'm Rebecca Knight, I'm here with Stu Miniman. Stu, we started off the morning with Jim Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat saying planning is dead. We work so hard to infer order where there is none, you're an analyst, you're a forecaster, so I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's not, stop trying. >> Yeah, thanks Rebecca, it's been great, yeah. No, it's funny, I've looked at this from the analyst world, read a book recently called Black Swan, by Nassim Taleb, talks about how really trying to predict some of these big game changers is really challenging. That being said, I've been involved in some technologies early, it's like, I remember playing with the internet when the first graphical browsers came out, and being like, this is going to be a game changer! I had no idea where it was going, but there, I happened to be involved really early in the VMware virtualization days. I started talking to Docker really early. I don't say I'm predicting the future, but, here at Red Hat, communities, we asked Jim Whitehurst about, you build on communities, and I feel I've got a pretty strong network, I'm tied in a lot, through social these days, and feel like I can kind of get the, where's the interesting stuff happening, and where is it just maybe a little bit too, you know, the hype doesn't meet the reality, and one of the other things is how long it takes for certain technologies to kind of mature, what it will look like when it comes through, it's easier to bet on the waves as opposed to some of the particular tools out there, we really loved the conversation with Jim Whitehurst, I always feel like I'm doing one of those executive case studies, that you take at a good business school when you get to sit down and talk with them. >> I agree, he's a great conversationalist, a great guy. During his keynote, and even when he sat down with us, he was talking about the management challenge of technology leaders today, and this is reflective of the theme of this year's conference, which is empowering the individual, and he said that the role of the leader today is to create the context for the individual to try and modify and try again and fail. My question for you is, it implies that the individual was unempowered beforehand, is that accurate? And did engineers not have a voice? >> It's, what is the role of the individual worker, do they know where they're going, do we have a shared clear vision, you talk about most companies, they have their mission statement, and you do studies, and 70% to 80% of most companies, most people in companies are like, "I'm disconnected from the work, "I don't understand how what I do "translates to where I'm going," Red Hat is an interesting, different company, about 10,000 people, we've heard from many of the Red Hatters that it doesn't feel and act like that company, go back to, this is the kind of military-style hierarchy that most businesses have, the structure there, Red Hat is a lot flatter, we talk in kind of the devops world about like two pizza groups, well, the Red Hats committee involved in all of these various projects, hundreds of them that they're involved, it's not one or two opensource things, it's all over the place, and you kind of put your business out on like, well, okay, how do you understand how to, you know, which do you drive and which ones create money, and how are you working in the right place, or are people just contributing to stuff that, you hope if I put good stuff out there in good code, eventually, it will translate to our business, but Red Hat keeps delivering, keeps growing their base, they've made certain acquisitions, and they keep moving forward. >> So I want to talk about those acquisitions, because we had some Ansible people on the show here today, it seems as though the acquisition has really gone well, and the two companies are blending, and it's setting itself up for success. Is that your take too? What do you see as potential obstacles down the road? >> Yeah, that's great, Rebecca, we talk to talk with three different angles of the Ansible team today, and 18 months after the acquisition, it's really broadly integrated. I can tell you, I've worked in big companies, I've worked through a number of acquisitions, 18 months from acquisition to oh my gosh, their secret sauce is all over the place, I'm like, that is quite impressive. It's just, they're a software company, they are agile in their development, and they get to move things forward. And I'd heard great things about Ansible before the acquisition, I hear good things from customers that are using it, some of the other companies in the space that are standalone have been facing some challenges, the third interview that we did, I talked a little bit about how cloud providers were starting to build some of those pieces in. Infrastructure companies have known for a long time that management is one of those big challenges, so, management still seems to be one of those jump balls, it feels like that beach ball bouncing around and everybody's trying to get ahold of it, but Red Hat's figuring how to bake Ansible in, make sure it's touching open shifts specifically, all those things like the cloud forms and insights, and all the other pieces, so, building in more automation fits a lot with what they're doing, and how the Linux administrators understand how to do things, they always wanted to get past, oh, great, I have to go create yet another script and another script and another script, that they'll do that, so, seems to be a great acquisition for them, and helping to move them forward in a lot of spaces. >> Another buzzword we heard a lot today, and it's going to be funny that I described this as a buzzword, but it's simple, simplified, this is what we kept hearing again from partners, saying that this is what they're hearing from customers, because they just have so many different application, they've got old infrastructure, new infrastructure, the cloud, they've got hybrid, and they just want things to work together and play nicely. They're coming out with solutions, are they solutions? Are they in fact simpler? What's your take? Are you skeptical that things are in fact getting simpler? >> Yeah, Rebecca, there's a line I used, the simple enterprise is an oxymoron, it does not exist. If you look at any enterprise today, how many applications they'd have, it's like, well, do you have hundreds of applications, or thousands of applications, depending on how old you are, what the size of your company is. Everything in IT is additive, we had somebody on this week who was talking about the AS/400 sitting in the back, we had HP on, I'm sure they've got lots of customers, still running Superdomes, we've covered the mainframe pieces, and oh, well, Red Hat Enterprise, Linux, lives on lots of these environments, so we're going to standardize the software pieces, but there's only pieces of the puzzle that I can simplify, and really building software that can live in many environments, and help me move towards more composable or distributed architectures is the way we need to go, I liked Red Hat stories, where they're taking us, but I think if you talk to most IT staffs, even if they're like, "Oh, yeah, we're doing a lot of public cloud," or, "We've standardized on a couple of piece and things," most people don't think that IT is simple. >> And then there's the cost, too, I think that one of our guests made this point about proprietary software, and how it really is, it has a higher bar, because customers are going to say, "Why can't I just get this on opensource? "Why do I have to pay for this?" And so that's another question too, where are you seeing the financials of this all play out? >> Yeah, it's interesting, we're talking a lot about hybrid cloud, and when we first started talking public cloud, it was like, oh wait, it'll be cheaper. And then it's like, wait, no, it'll help me be more agile, and maybe that will then lead to cost, it was like, the old faster cheaper better, there're certain people in the development culture, that's like, "Well, if I can just do faster, "faster, faster, it will make up for everything else," then again, if I move too fast, sometimes we're breaking things, we're not being able to take advantage of things, so, it goes back, is this that simple? It sure doesn't sound simple, so it's, IT is a complex world, pricing is one of those things that absolutely is getting sorted out, Red Hat has a nice position in the marketplace, when I look at the big companies in the market, you need to take software companies like Microsoft or an Oracle, one of the first things most people think about when you hear those companies is like, oh, their price. Red Hat has brought adoption, and a lot of customers, and do I hear issues here or there on certain product lines, where yes, they'd like it cheaper, or there? Yes, but it's not a general complaint, oh, well, hey, you want to do, let's just use the Fedora version, or the CentOS version rather than the full enterprise version, and they have some sliders to be able to manage with that, starting to hear more, kind of the elastic cloud-like pricing, from Red Hat and some of their partners that solution that these pieces with, so, yeah, pricing isn't simple yet, it's definitely something that we're going to see more and more as we kind of get to that cloud-like model. >> Today, as particularly in the morning keynote, some of the use cases were from the government, we had three, including British Columbia, which we just had on our show, also Singapore, so it sounds as though government is saying, "Wait, what is this opensource? "This can really help us, this can help us engage "our citizens and help make their lives easier, "and also, by the way, make it easier for us to govern," will government sort of always lag behind, or do you think that there is a possibility that government could really lead the way on a lot of these things? >> Well, it's funny, 'cause we've known for a long time that government typically doesn't get a lot of budget, so when they go to do something, first of all, they sometimes can leapfrog a generation or two, because they've waited, they've waited, they've waited, and I can't necessarily upgrade it, so I might need to skip a generation, secondly, government has, if we talk about things like IoT, and all of those data points out there, the data has gravity, data's the new oil, government has a lot of data, you just interviewed British Columbia, I'm sure there's the opportunity there that as data can be leveraged and turned into more value, working with entrepreneurs, working with communities, government now sits in a place where, if they can be a little bit more open, and they can take advantage of the new opportunity, they can actually be on the vanguard of some of these new technologies, anything you got from your interviews? >> Yes, no, absolutely, I think that one of the things that really struck me was the recruiting and retention piece, because that seems to be one of the hardest things. If you're a hot coder, or an engineer who's graduating from one of the best schools, it's going to take a lot to get you to go work for the government, it just will. >> Rebecca, when I was in college, I did an internship for a municipal government, I digitized all their land management, did a whole database creation, and did one of those things, the old process took two months, and when I was done with it, it could be anywhere from two minutes to maybe a little bit longer, but boy, that was a painful summer to work through some of the processes, their infrastructure was all antiquated, great people, but government moved at a slower speed than I'm used to. >> And that is what I got out of my interview, so they are using the same kind of tools that these coders and developers would be using in the private sector, they're also doing smaller engagements, so you're not signing your life away to the government, you're able to work on a stint here, a stint there, you can do it in your free time and then get paid on PayPal, so I think that that is one way to attract good talent. Stu, we got one more day of this, what do you hope to see tomorrow, what are you going to be looking for, what do you want to be talking about tomorrow at this time? >> Well, what we always get here is a lot of really good customers, I love the innovation stories, right past the hallway here, there's all of these pictures, and Red Hat's a great partner for us on theCUBE, they've brought us many of those customers, we're going to have more of them on, another two keynotes, full day of coverage, so we'll see how many people make it to the morning keynote after going to Fenway tonight, 4,000 people, pretty impressive, I think we'll see, it's not like we'll see more red in the audience than usual, at a game at Fenway, but yeah, you're rooting for the home team, I'm a transplant here, go Pats, you know? >> Mm, okay, alright, so it's the argument, I think, that they were hoping for. So I want to thank you so much, it's been great doing this with you, and I hope you will join us tomorrow for day three of the Red Hat Summit in Boston, Massachusetts, I'm Rebecca Knight for Stu Miniman, thank you, and see you tomorrow! (electronic jingle)

>> Narrator: Live from Boston, Massachusetts, this is the Cube, covering Spark Summit East 2017, brought to you by Databricks. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and George Gilbert. >> Welcome back to Boston, everybody, where the town is still euphoric. Mike Gualtieri is here, he's the principal analyst at Forrester Research, attended the parade yesterday. How great was that, Mike? >> Yes. Yes. It was awesome. >> Nothing like we've ever seen before. All right, the first question is what was the bigger shocking surprise, upset, greatest win, was it the Red Sox over the Yankees or was it the Superbowl this weekend? >> That's the question, I think it's the Superbowl. >> Yeah, who knows, right? Who knows. It was a lot of fun. So how was the parade yesterday? >> It was magnificent. I mean, it was freezing. No one cared. I mean--but it was, yeah, it was great. Great to see that team in person. >> That's good, wish we could talk, We can, but we'll get into it. So, we're here at Spark Summit, and, you know, the show's getting bigger, you're seeing more sponsors, still heavily a technical audience, but what's your take these days? We were talking off-camera about the whole big data thing. It used to be the hottest thing in the world, and now nobody wants to have big data in their title. What's Forrester's take on that? >> I mean, I think big data-- I think it's just become mainstream, so we're just back to data. You know, because all data is potentially big. So, I don't think it's-- it's not the thing anymore. I mean, what do you do with big data? You analyze it, right? And part of what this whole Spark Summit is about-- look at all the sessions. Data science, machine learning, streaming analytics, so it's all about sort of using that data now, so big data is still important, but the value of big data comes from all this advanced analytics. >> Yeah, and we talked earlier, I mean, a lot of the value of, you know, Hadoop was cutting costs. You know, you've mentioned commodity components and reduction in denominator, and breaking the need for some kind of big storage container. OK, so that-- we got there. Now, shifting to new sources of value, what are you spending your time on these days in terms of research? >> Artificial intelligence, machine learning, so those are really forms of advanced analytics, so that's been-- that's been very hot. We did a survey last year, an AI survey, and we asked a large group of people, we said, oh, you know, what are you doing with AI? 58% said they're researching it. 19% said they're training a model. Right, so that's interesting. 58% are researching it, and far fewer are actually, you know, actually doing something with it. Now, the reality is, if you phrase that a little bit differently, and you said, oh, what are you doing with machine learning? Many more would say yes, we're doing machine learning. So it begs the question, what do enterprises think of AI? And what do they think it is? So, a lot of my inquiries are spent helping enterprises understand what AI is, what they should focus on, and the other part of it is what are the technologies used for AI, and deep learning is the hottest. >> So, you wrote a piece late last year, what's possible today in AI. What's possible today in AI? >> Well, you know, before understanding was possible, it's important to understand what's not possible, right? And so we sort of characterize it as there's pure AI, and there's pragmatic AI. So it's real simple. Pure AI is the sci-fi stuff, we've all seen it, Ex Machina, Star Wars, whatever, right? That's not what we're talking about. That's not what enterprises can do today. We're talking about pragmatic AI, and pragmatic AI is about building predictive models. It's about conversational APIs, to interact in a natural way with humans, it's about image analysis, which is something very hot because of deep learning. So, AI is really about the building blocks that companies have been using, but then using them in combination to create even more intelligent solutions. And they have more options on the market, both from open source, both from cloud services that-- from Google, Microsoft, IBM, and now Amazon, at their re-- Were you guys at their reinvent conference? >> I wasn't, personally, but we were certainly there. >> Yeah, they announced the Amazon AI, which is a set of three services that developers can use without knowing anything about AI or being a data scientist. But, I mean, I think the way to think about AI is that it is data science. It requires the expertise of a data scientist to do AI. >> Following up on that comment, which was really interesting, is we try and-- whereas vendors try and democratize access to machine learning and AI, and I say that with two terms because usually the machine learning is the stuff that's sort of widely accessible and AI is a little further out, but there's a spectrum when you can just access an API, which is like a pre-trained model-- >> Pre-trained model, yep. >> It's developer-accessible, you don't need to be a data scientist, and then at the other end, you know, you need to pick your algorithms, you need to pick your features, you need to find the right data, so how do you see that horizon moving over time? >> Yeah, no, I-- So, these machine learning services, as you say, they're pre-trained models, totally accessible by anyone, anyone who can call an API or a restful service can access these. But their scope is limited, right? So, if, for example, you take the image API, you know, the imaging API that you can get from Google or now Amazon, you can drop an image in there and it will say, oh, there's a wine bottle on a picnic table on the beach. Right? It can identify that. So that's pretty cool, there might be a lot of use cases for that, but think of an enterprise use case. No. You can't do it, and let me give you this example. Say you're an insurance company, and you have a picture of a steel roof that's caved in. If you give that to one of these APIs, it might say steel roof, it may say damage, but what it's not going to do is it's not going to be able to estimate the damage, it's not going to be able to create a bill of materials on how to repair it, because Google hasn't trained it at that level. OK, so, enterprises are going to have to do this themselves, or an ISV is going to have to do it, because think about it, you've got 10 years worth of all these pictures taken of damage. And with all of those pictures, you've got tons of write-ups from an adjuster. Whoa, if you could shove that into a deep learning algorithm, you could potentially have consumers take pictures, or someone untrained, and have this thing say here's what the estimate damage is, this is the situation. >> And I've read about like insurance use cases like that, where the customer could, after they sort of have a crack up, take pictures all around the car, and then the insurance company could provide an estimate, tell them where the nearest repair shops are-- >> Yeah, but right now it's like the early days of e-commerce, where you could send an order in and then it would fax it and they'd type it in. So, I think, yes, insurance coverage is taking those pictures, and the question is can we automate it, and-- >> Well, let me actually iterate on that question, which is so who can build a more end-to-end solution, assuming, you know, there's a lot of heavy lifting that's got to go on for each enterprise trying to build a use case like that. Is it internal development and only at big companies that have a few of these data science gurus? Would it be like an IBM Global Services or an EXIN SURE, or would it be like a vertical ISV where it's semi-custom, semi-patent? >> I think it's both, but I also think it's two or three people walking around this conference, right, understanding Spark, maybe understanding how to use TensorFlow in conjunction with Spark that will start to come up with these ideas as well. So I think-- I think we'll see all of those solutions. Certainly, like IBM with their cognitive computing-- oh, and by the way, so we think that cognitive computing equals pragmatic AI, right, because it has similar characteristics. So, we're already seeing the big ISVs and the big application developers, SAP, Oracle, creating AI-infused applications or modules, but yeah, we're going to see small ISVs do it. There's one in Austin, Texas, called InteractiveTel. It's like 10 people. What they do is they use the Google-- so they sell to large car dealerships, like Ernie Boch. And they record every conversation, phone conversation with customers. They use the Google pre-trained model to convert the speech to text, and then they use their own machine learning to analyze that text to find out if there's a customer service problem or if there's a selling opportunity, and then they alert managers or other people in the organization. So, small company, very narrowly focused on something like car buying. >> So, I wonder if we could come back to something you said about pragmatic AI. We love to have someone like you on the Cube, because we like to talk about the horses on the track. So, if Watson is pragmatic AI, and we all-- well, I think you saw the 60 Minutes show, I don't know, whenever it was, three or four months ago, and IBM Watson got all the love. They barely mentioned Amazon and Google and Facebook, and Microsoft didn't get any mention. So, and there seems to be sentiment that, OK, all the real action is in Silicon Valley. But you've got IBM doing pragmatic AI. Do those two worlds come together in your view? How does that whole market shake up? >> I don't think they come together in the way I think you're suggesting. I think what Google, Microsoft, Facebook, what they're doing is they're churning out fundamental technology, like one of the most popular deep learning frameworks, TensorFlow, is a Google thing that they open sourced. And as I pointed out, those image APIs, that Amazon has, that's not going to work for insurance, that's not going to work for radiology. So, I don't think they're in-- >> George Gilbert: Facebook's going to apply it differently-- >> Yeah, I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to apply it to the millions of consumers that use their platforms, and then I think they throw off some of the technology for the rest of the world to use, fundamentally. >> And then the rest of the world has to apply those. >> Yeah, but I don't think they're in the business of building insurance solutions or building logistical solutions. >> Right. >> But you said something that was really, really potentially intriguing, which was you could take the horizontal Google speech to text API, and then-- >> Mike Gualtieri: And recombine it. >> --put your own model on top of that. And that's, techies call that like ensemble modeling, but essentially you're taking, almost like an OS level service, and you're putting in a more vertical application on top of it, to relate it to our old ways of looking at software, and that's interesting. >> Yeah, because what we're talking about right now, but this conversation is now about applications. Right, we're talking about applications, which need lots of different services recombined, whereas mostly the data science conversation has been narrowly about building one customer lifetime value model or one churn model. Now the conversation, when we talk about AI, is becoming about combining many different services and many different models. >> Dave Vellante: And the platform for building applications is really-- >> Yeah, yeah. >> And that platform, the richest platform, or the platform that is, that is most attractive has the most building blocks to work with, or the broadest ones? >> The best ones, I would say, right now. The reason why I say it that way is because this technology is still moving very rapidly. So for an image analysis, deep learning, very good for image, nothing's better than deep learning for image analysis. But if you're doing business process models or like churn models, well, deep learning hasn't played out there yet. So, right now I think there's some fragmentation. There's so much innovation. Ultimately it may come together. What we're seeing is, many of these companies are saying, OK, look, we're going to bring in the open source. It's pretty difficult to create a deep learning library. And so, you know, a lot of the vendors in the machine learning space, instead of creating their own, they're just bringing in MXNet or TensorFlow. >> I might be thinking of something from a different angle, which is not what underlying implementation they're using, whether it's deep learning or whether it's just random forest, or whatever the terminology is, you know, the traditional statistical stuff. The idea, though, is you want a platform-- like way, way back, Windows, with the Win32 API had essentially more widgets for helping you build graphical applications than any other platform >> Mike Gualtieri: Yeah, I see where you're going. >> And I guess I'm thinking it doesn't matter what the underlying implementation is, but how many widgets can you string together? >> I'm totally with you there, yeah. And so I think what you're saying is look, a platform that has the most capabilities, but abstracts, the implementations, and can, you know, can be somewhat pluggable-- right, good, to keep up with the innovation, yeah. And there's a lot of new companies out there, too, that are tackling this. One of them's called Bonsai AI, you know, small startup, they're trying to abstract deep learning, because deep learning right now, like TensorFlow and MXNet, that's a little bit of a challenge to learn, so they're abstracting it. But so are a lot of the-- so is SAS, IBM, et cetera. >> So, Mike, we're out of time, but I want to talk about your talk tomorrow. So, AI meets Spark, give us a little preview. >> AI meets Spark. Basically, the prerequisite to AI is a very sophisticated and fast data pipeline, because just because we're talking about AI doesn't mean we don't need data to build these models. So, I think Spark gives you the best of both worlds, right? It's designed for these sort of complex data pipelines that you need to prep data, but now, with MLlib for more traditional machine learning, and now with their announcement of TensorFrames, which is going to be an interface for TensorFlow, now you've got deep learning, too. And you've got it in a cluster architecture, so it can scale. So, pretty cool. >> All right, Mike, thanks very much for coming on the Cube. You know, way to go Pats, awesome. Really a pleasure having you back. >> Thanks. >> All right, keep right there, buddy. We'll be back with our next guest right after this short break. This is the Cube. (peppy music)

live from San Francisco California it's the queue at vmworld 2014 brought to you by vmware cisco EMC HP and nutanix now here are your hosts John furrier and Stu minimum okay welcome back around here live in San Francisco for VMware 2014 this is our fifth year with the cube extracting the city from the noise at vmworld always a pleasure and we have the chief marketing officer Robin Matlock here inside the queue of my Coast stupid minute for this segment Robin welcome back to the cube thank you great keynote this morning you opened it up in front of a packed house for Pat Gelsinger and delivered an amazing keynote before we get some icky knows what some of the stats with the show here obviously vmworld it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year well you know it's amazing the energy is fantastic here this year we're going strong we have well over twenty two thousand attendees the solutions exchange is packed there's about 250 companies that are they're exhibiting we have all kinds of breakout sessions and content I mean if you just walk around here the energy is just really thrive and the theme is no limit so I got to get some a back story on the theme I'll see no limits breaking through this is the transformation market the sign is just break it was a quick taste of wow how this all came together yeah what's the meaning behind the pictures are they're all on the hall you know it's really fun the themes that every year actually put just tremendous effort into them they can really be stressful but at the end when you land or right when it feels so good this whole notion of concrete you know in breaking through and that there's something on the other side that is truly infinite for us that just really spoke to our business it spoke to what our customers are going through and it truly spoke to the potential of this incredible you know this incredible industry you know i was when i think of the No Limits I think about the space jump the Red Bull I think about some of the things with it within the cloud that developers are doing you know Pat mentioned uber they have no asses of mass evaluation of hurts and to cumbies combined this is the kind of dream that entrepreneurs think about is like this is this inflection point stuff right so is that was that some of the vibe you guys were thinking absolutely and I think when we look at where we are in our journey relative to cloud relative to a software-defined world we're really passionate that you know the customers and the attendees of this conference are very well positioned to truly break through some of the silos that have been holding us back for a long time and we are at Crossroads um you know we believe vehemently that the data center is destined to be software-defined and that many of these attendees are well positioned to take us on that journey so I got to ask you because I see you're involved in the brain trust and all the formulation of the strategy the company and out of how to communicate it's always a challenge when it's like a moving train of innovation but you have some new things going on this year first of all nothing new on strategy it's the same marching orders with with Pats cadence hybrid cloud you know March to that cadence ops ii server defined data center but now AirWatch comes on over the top how did that affect things for you or did it it's just more of more the same so actually they bring in there some of that security and the apps piece of the business did that change some of the thinking and all I know it's an interesting question but I think at the end of the day the three strategic priorities for VMware have been very consistent now for multiple years you know largely under Pat's leadership it's about a software-defined world that's the software-defined data center it's about extending that to the hybrid cloud and it's always been about end-user computing I think the air watch acquisition just took it up a couple notches really the world of mobility we're big advocates and believers that the mobile workforce is exploding but there's a really strong connective value between what's happening at the infrastructure layer and what we can do to enable that mobile workforce so I think it was very consistent with the strategy but I do think the air guac acquisition is changing the game it's certainly producing Pat was giving us a little taste on the cube talk about the steams of the show today we had Pat had bill father's Carl up sure do a little Q&A a little little cube action almost on stage with Bill and what's what's tomorrow did you guys bring it up by thieves share with the folks out here Shey lay the land here what's the what's the contracts for tomorrow so today what we try to do is really telex the expanse of entire story what's going on holistically and you know the Karl part of it was a lot about getting our customers to really talk about what's working for them I think that's really important because we laid out a vision for VMware um you know a couple years ago and it's important to make that tangible and real and I hope the customers were able to bring that to life for people tomorrow is all about the technical under the hood let's get you know inside and really understand how the technologies are delivering against that vision and we're going to go through the whole thing it's going to cover the infrastructure it's going to talk about the hybrid cloud and we're going to talk a lot about mobility well the geeks want under the hood I mean it gets a gig show the end of the day it's very content rich at vmworld as we know it super busy a lot of parties going off as Deb going on certainly the business transactions are happening but it's still a geek show you guys have preserved that here right you know if we ask ourselves every year you know how how and should or shouldn't we evolve vmworld and i tell you we're really resolved at the end of the day this is largely a practitioner show they come for technological information education certifications and we have no desire to take a square pose and put in a round hole I mean it works so well for this audience let's just give this crowd what they need and I want to do more of it year after year yeah and we can always tell how good the conferences are in terms of content based upon how much Twitter activity there is in terms of like if people are just talking a lot on Twitter and not say anything that means it's kind of a boring show when there's not a lot of Twitter activity mostly it's text sessions people have too busy running around between between the events I mean are you guys seeing the sessions packet but we haven't had a chance to go out there what's happening yeah well to be really honest I haven't at a moment to scan too much but from what I'm hearing they are overflowing and frankly they were booked you know even before we showed up today because we do give people the schedule builder and a chance to book their sessions so I know that they are all full we're doing repeats we're trying to get you know more breakouts so people can deal with Wednesday and Thursday as things settle down but all the reports I'm getting so far is that we are pretty much over sold and oversubscribed yeah so buds do you Robin I was just gonna say you know is my fifth year now coming to vmworld it's all we impressive just the passion of the people in the virtualization community it's such a good community everybody gives back I really like what you guys did with the charity event that's going I mean what's a destination give by 25,000 with 250 oh not twenty five thousand two hundred and hundred and fifty thousand dollars that that's fantastic you know I got to talk to the hands-on lab guys today and things were running so smooth and so many people do it because as John said the geeks really love to geek out here I noticed it looked like on the badge it had you know the show spread out beyond just the north south and the West you brought the analysts kind of off to off to a hotel because they don't need to be in the center of all the geeks and everything the show floor is cranking as usual so you know it sounds like you still have the core and just pieces add on to it yeah i mean the core of the program if you were to look at breakout sessions keynotes labs that's going to stay right here in moscone but the reality is we're bursting out of the scenes and we love San Francisco we loved the venue but we have to take advantage of all the hotel space around so we got things at the w we got things at the westin we got things at the marriott we got things at the Intercontinental I mean we're or everywhere frankly but you're right we are having to kind of spread out a little bit so I got to ask you about the 10-year anniversary because that was a pretty epic event and you mentioned you made a comment on stage where'd that world go and i love the Golden Gate Bridge metaphor you put together what's changed for you over the past year it seems to be like it seems like seven years ago internet years it seems like a decade ago almost from last year yeah a lots changed and you share your perspective yeah I think a lot has changed I think on though um to be almost all for the good in my view I think you know VMware had built such a business on kind of one core platform which was compute virtualization and over the last several years we've really broadened our wings right and we are now dealing with networking and storage and security and automation and cloud and mobility and I think the diversity that that brings um from a customer perspective from an ecosystem perspective from our routes to market perspective I mean certainly it is definitely a charge because there's just so much tremendous diversity it also means we got a lot of things to cover so you know I think with that comes a responsibility to make sure our customers can understand all these different diverse you know offerings what's your objective for the show what's your preferred outcomes you can look back and just fast forward to thursday evening friday morning you know you're in a hot tub relaxing maybe it's saturday or monday morning what do you want to have happen what's your ideal outcome for vmworld beyond the fact that i like my feet attached to my body because right now i'm afraid they might fall off but let's say personal attributes aside you know i really hope that these attendees you know 22,000 plus people get on those airplanes fly home and feel like they had one of the most invigorating educational inspirational experiences professionally that they're going to have all year I hope that they got to the content that was relevant for them that they were able to navigate and you know really spend time in the areas of focus for them and I hope that people met dozens and dozens of new people that will only help them broaden their career so I have this little prop I brought because I was attended the VIP event you guys had an amazing event mark injuries since the NBC was broadcasting there Joe Tucci was there and then you know opening up your new facility which could have been around for a while so we've got some new new areas got these hot pens there so I'm going to ask you about the culture and the brand future brand for vmware I mean it's an amazing campus eco-friendly beautiful design high quality is this the brand of VMware that you seeing vision for me and you what's your vision for the brand I mean it's evolving in in real time for the company it is evolving but at the same time I think our brand and what we stand for as a company is also very stable it's great that you came to that event and saw the final unveiling of the last building as we finished it up and certainly it's a beautiful campus and it's green you know it's very you know natural woods and doing all kinds of things to protect the environment I think at the core of VMware there's you know five key values and those values are sustaining the test of time you know it's about innovation it's about community it's about people it's about integrity and it's about our customers and I think really no matter what products and services and solutions we wrap around our company I think we still stand for the same core values and I hope that never changes so I got to ask you out the community I think it's one of those things and you know something to pat about how doctor is implemented community aspect of the open source of their product and made them success you guys have had great community over the years really part of the backbone of vmware versus other companies some don't even have a heartbeat to a community you guys have a great thriving ecosystem how do you maintain that as we get more connected with the crowdsourcing with the Twitter expansion and all the people talking and it's not just forums anymore it's and more it's it's it's a virtual event every day it's like vmworld every day out there how do you handle that what's your vision and how you going to get your arms around that going forward well it's yeah I think it's really critical first of all just like anything whether you're talking about technologies you're talking about engaging with customers you have to evolve you can't use the same techniques that you use last year really to propel you next year so I think it's all about making sure you understand how our customers choosing to engage and then embrace that for us our social channels are really important our communities are really important and we're all about enabling facilitation and engagement and I think we're really that's kind of philosophically how we go about our whole social strategy it's all about enablement so that's a personal question for you to you always loved your eye for you know detail remember the first VMware we did you had pointed out the vmware stickers which ended up being perfect camera location ibly I like her I like this Robin woman she's awesome but what are you excited about now I mean what are you personally motivated upon right now what gets you really excited about the tech industry about what you what you're involved in what's the what's the one thing that get you so excited you know frankly I'm extremely proud to be the CMO of VMware I think there was a great company and I think we're part of something truly meaningful I think there was a time when maybe we weren't going to be as relevant we and by we I don't mean to see him or I mean this this whole thing that maybe we weren't going to be as relevant in the next decade but we collectively as a mystery are making bold moves we're doubling down on software we're pushing the boundaries of the data center we're getting out beyond compute we're going to storage or going to networking we're looking at security we're layering in automation and I think we are really securing our future as an industry that we are relevant and we need a seat at the table a strategic seat at the table and I'm thrilled to be a part and you certainly the global footprint the virtualization has been a great part of enabling that that mindset great to have you on the cube any other tidbits about the show you'd like to share the folks you know I think the main thing is just get involved and try some things that are different push your own personal boundaries explore there's so much content there's so many networking opportunities there's breakouts and I think definitely sampling a little bit of everything and making sure that you go home exhausted and then I'll be happy but certainly is exhausting show but Pat brought up the whole brave concept that's really about bold moves writing that's about that's kind of the whole theme here right yeah I think you know the notion of bravery is in the sense that given that things are changing so rapidly and the world is so dynamic and fluid as a business climate it's going to take some calculated risk you're going to have to really decide where are you partnering where are you betting what kind of steps are you going to take and I think action is key and the one thing it probably isn't going to work is status quo Robin Matlock the chief marketing officer for VMware keynote speech this morning set the table for Pat Gelsinger great jobs at the big picture laid out everything out the holistic vision of VMware continues to thrive thanks for coming down the cube always great to have you it's the Cubist retin from the noise we'll be right back with our next guest after the short break great thanks John you