>> From the SiliconANGLE media office in Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE! Now, here's your host, Dave Vellante. >> Hi, everybody, welcome to this special CUBE Conversation. You know, big data workloads have evolved, and the infrastructure that runs big data workloads is also evolving. Big data, AI, other emerging workloads need infrastructure that can keep up. Welcome to this special CUBE Conversation with Patrick Osborne, who's the vice president and GM of big data and secondary storage at Hewlett Packard Enterprise, @patrick_osborne. Great to see you again, thanks for coming on. >> Great, love to be back here. >> As I said up front, big data's changing. It's evolving, and the infrastructure has to also evolve. What are you seeing, Patrick, and what's HPE seeing in terms of the market forces right now driving big data and analytics? >> Well, some of the things that we see in the data center, there is a continuous move to move from bare metal to virtualized. Everyone's on that train. To containerization of existing apps, your apps of record, business, mission-critical apps. But really, what a lot of folks are doing right now is adding additional services to those applications, those data sets, so, new ways to interact, new apps. A lot of those are being developed with a lot of techniques that revolve around big data and analytics. We're definitely seeing the pressure to modernize what you have on-prem today, but you know, you can't sit there and be static. You gotta provide new services around what you're doing for your customers. A lot of those are coming in the form of this Mode 2 type of application development. >> One of the things that we're seeing, everybody talks about digital transformation. It's the hot buzzword of the day. To us, digital means data first. Presumably, you're seeing that. Are organizations organizing around their data, and what does that mean for infrastructure? >> Yeah, absolutely. We see a lot of folks employing not only technology to do that. They're doing organizational techniques, so, peak teams. You know, bringing together a lot of different functions. Also, too, organizing around the data has become very different right now, that you've got data out on the edge, right? It's coming into the core. A lot of folks are moving some of their edge to the cloud, or even their core to the cloud. You gotta make a lot of decisions and be able to organize around a pretty complex set of places, physical and virtual, where your data's gonna lie. >> There's a lot of talk, too, about the data pipeline. The data pipeline used to be, you had an enterprise data warehouse, and the pipeline was, you'd go through a few people that would build some cubes and then they'd hand off a bunch of reports. The data pipeline, it's getting much more complex. You've got the edge coming in, you've got, you know, core. You've got the cloud, which can be on-prem or public cloud. Talk about the evolution of the data pipeline and what that means for infrastructure and big data workloads. >> For a lot of our customers, and we've got a pretty interesting business here at HPE. We do a lot with the Intelligent Edge, so, our Edgeline servers in Aruba, where a a lot of the data is sitting outside of the traditional data center. Then we have what's going on in the core, which, for a lot of customers, they are moving from either traditional EDW, right, or even Hadoop 1.0 if they started that transformation five to seven years ago, to, a lot of things are happening now in real time, or a combination thereof. The data types are pretty dynamic. Some of that is always getting processed out on the edge. Results are getting sent back to the core. We're also seeing a lot of folks move to real-time data analytics, or some people call it fast data. That sits in your core data center, so utilizing things like Kafka and Spark. A lot of the techniques for persistent storage are brand new. What it boils down to is, it's an opportunity, but it's also very complex for our customers. >> What about some of the technical trends behind what's going on with big data? I mean, you've got sprawl, with both data sprawl, you've got workload sprawl. You got developers that are dealing with a lot of complex tooling. What are you guys seeing there, in terms of the big mega-trends? >> We have, as you know, HPE has quite a few customers in the mid-range in enterprise segments. We have some customers that are very tech-forward. A lot of those customers are moving from this, you know, Hadoop 1.0, Hadoop 2.0 system to a set of essentially mixed workloads that are very multi-tenant. We see customers that have, essentially, a mix of batch-oriented workloads. Now they're introducing these streaming type of workloads to folks who are bringing in things like TensorFlow and GPGPUs, and they're trying to apply some of the techniques of AI and ML into those clusters. What we're seeing right now is that that is causing a lot of complexity, not only in the way you do your apps, but the number of applications and the number of tenants who use that data. It's getting used all day long for various different, so now what we're seeing is it's grown up. It started as an opportunity, a science project, the POC. Now it's business-critical. Becoming, now, it's very mission-critical for a lot of the services that drives. >> Am I correct that those diverse workloads used to require a bespoke set of infrastructure that was very siloed? I'm inferring that technology today will allow you to bring those workloads together on a single platform. Is that correct? >> A couple of things that we offer, and we've been helping customers to get off the complexity train, but provide them flexibility and elasticity is, a lot of the workloads that we did in the past were either very vertically-focused and integrated. One app server, networking, storage, to, you know, the beginning of the analytics phase was really around symmetrical clusters and scaling them out. Now we've got a very rich and diverse set of components and infrastructure that can essentially allow a customer to make a data lake that's very scalable. Compute, storage-oriented nodes, GPU-oriented nodes, so it's very flexible and helps us, helps the customers take complexity out of their environment. >> In thinking about, when you talk to customers, what are they struggling with, specifically as it relates to infrastructure? Again, we talked about tooling. I mean, Hadoop is well-known for the complexity of the tooling. But specifically from an infrastructure standpoint, what are the big complaints that you hear? >> A couple things that we hear is that my budget's flat for the next year or couple years, right? We talked earlier in the conversation about, I have to modernize, virtualize, containerizing my existing apps, that means I have to introduce new services as well with a very different type of DevOps, you know, mode of operations. That's all with the existing staff, right? That's the number one issue that we hear from the customers. Anything that we can do to help increase the velocity of deployment through automation. We hear now, frankly, the battle is for whether I'm gonna run these type of workloads on-prem versus off-prem. We have a set of technology as well as services, enabling services with Pointnext. You remember the acquisition we made around cloud technology partners to right-place where those workloads are gonna go and become like a broker in that conversation and assist customers to make that transition and then, ultimately, give them an elastic platform that's gonna scale for the diverse set of workloads that's well-known, sized, easy to deploy. >> As you get all this data, and the data's, you know, Hadoop, it sorta blew up the data model. Said, "Okay, we'll leave the data where it is, "we'll bring the compute there." You had a lot of skunk works projects growing. What about governance, security, compliance? As you have data sprawl, how are customers handling that challenge? Is it a challenge? >> Yeah, it certainly is a challenge. I mean, we've gone through it just recently with, you know, GDPR is implemented. You gotta think about how that's gonna fit into your workflow, and certainly security. The big thing that we see, certainly, is around if the data's residing outside of your traditional data center, that's a big issue. For us, when we have Edgeline servers, certainly a lot of things are coming in over wireless, there's a big buildout in advent of 5G coming out. That certainly is an area that customers are very concerned about in terms of who has their data, who has access to it, how can you tag it, how can you make sure it's secure. That's a big part of what we're trying to provide here at HPE. >> What specifically is HPE doing to address these problems? Products, services, partnerships, maybe you could talk about that a little bit. Maybe even start with, you know, what's your philosophy on infrastructure for big data and AI workloads? >> I mean, for us, we've over the last two years have really concentrated on essentially two areas. We have the Intelligent Edge, which is, certainly, it's been enabled by fantastic growth with our Aruba products in the networks in space and our Edgeline systems, so, being able to take that type of compute and get it as far out to the edge as possible. The other piece of it is around making hybrid IT simple, right? In that area, we wanna provide a very flexible, yet easy-to-deploy set of infrastructure for big data and AI workloads. We have this concept of the Elastic Platform for Analytics. It helps customers deploy that for a whole myriad of requirements. Very compute-oriented, storage-oriented, GPUs, cold and warm data lakes, for that matter. And the third area, what we've really focused on is the ecosystem that we bring to our customers as a portfolio company is evolving rapidly. As you know, in this big data and analytics workload space, the software development portion of it is super dynamic. If we can bring a vetted, well-known ecosystem to our customers as part of a solution with advisory services, that's definitely one of the key pieces that our customers love to come to HP for. >> What about partnerships around things like containers and simplifying the developer experience? >> I mean, we've been pretty public about some of our efforts in this area around OneSphere, and some of these, the models around, certainly, advisory services in this area with some recent acquisitions. For us, it's all about automation, and then we wanna be able to provide that experience to the customers, whether they want to develop those apps and deploy on-prem. You know, we love that. I think you guys tag it as true private cloud. But we know that the reality is, most people are embracing very quickly a hybrid cloud model. Given the ability to take those apps, develop them, put them on-prem, run them off-prem is pretty key for OneSphere. >> I remember Antonio Neri, when you guys announced Apollo, and you had the astronaut there. Antonio was just a lowly GM and VP at the time, and now he's, of course, CEO. Who knows what's in the future? But Apollo, generally at the time, it was like, okay, this is a high-performance computing system. We've talked about those worlds, HPC and big data coming together. Where does a system like Apollo fit in this world of big data workloads? >> Yeah, so we have a very wide product line for Apollo that helps, you know, some of them are very tailored to specific workloads. If you take a look at the way that people are deploying these infrastructures now, multi-tenant with many different workloads. We allow for some compute-focused systems, like the Apollo 2000. We have very balanced systems, the Apollo 4200, that allow a very good mix of CPU, memory, and now customers are certainly moving to flash and storage-class memory for these type of workloads. And then, Apollo 6500 were some of the newer systems that we have. Big memory footprint, NVIDIA GPUs allowing you to do very high calculations rates for AI and ML workloads. We take that and we aggregate that together. We've made some recent acquisitions, like Plexxi, for example. A big part of this is around simplification of the networking experience. You can probably see into the future of automation of the networking level, automation of the compute and storage level, and then having a very large and scalable data lake for customers' data repositories. Object, file, HTFS, some pretty interesting trends in that space. >> Yeah, I'm actually really super excited about the Plexxi acquisition. I think it's because flash, it used to be the bottleneck was the spinning disk, flash pushes the bottleneck largely to the network. Plexxi gonna allow you guys to scale, and I think actually leapfrog some of the other hyperconverged players that are out there. So, super excited to see what you guys do with that acquisition. It sounds like your focus is on optimizing the design for I/O. I'm sure flash fits in there as well. >> And that's a huge accelerator for, even when you take a look at our storage business, right? So, 3PAR, Nimble, All-Flash, certainly moving to NVMe and storage-class memory for acceleration of other types of big data databases. Even though we're talking about Hadoop today, right now, certainly SAP HANA, scale-out databases, Oracle, SQL, all these things play a part in the customer's infrastructure. >> Okay, so you were talking before about, a little bit about GPUs. What is this HPE Elastic Platform for big data analytics? What's that all about? >> I mean, we have a lot of the sizing and scalability falls on the shoulders of our customers in this space, especially in some of these new areas. What we've done is, we have, it's a product/a concept, and what we do is we have this, it's called the Elastic Platform for Analytics. It allows, with all those different components that I rattled off, all great systems in of their own, but when it comes to very complex multi-tenant workloads, what we do is try to take the mystery out of that for our customers, to be able to deploy that cookie-cutter module. We're even gonna get to a place pretty soon where we're able to offer that as a consumption-based service so you don't have to choose for an elastic type of acquisition experience between on-prem and off-prem. We're gonna provide that as well. It's not only a set of products. It's reference architectures. We do a lot of sizing with our partners. The Hortonworks, CloudEra's, MapR's, and a lot of the things that are out in the open source world. It's pretty good. >> We've been covering big data, as you know, for a long, long time. The early days of big data was like, "Oh, this is great, "we're just gonna put white boxes out there "and off the shelf storage!" Well, that changed as big data got, workloads became more enterprise, mainstream, they needed to be enterprise-ready. But my question to you is, okay, I hear you. You got products, you got services, you got perspectives, a philosophy. Obviously, you wanna sell some stuff. What has HPE done internally with regard to big data? How have you transformed your own business? >> For us, we wanna provide a really rich experience, not just products. To do that, you need to provide a set of services and automation, and what we've done is, with products and solutions like InfoSight, we've been able to, we call it AI for the Data Center, or certainly, the tagline of predictive analytics is something that Nimble's brought to the table for a long time. To provide that level of services, InfoSight, predictive analytics, AI for the Data Center, we're running our own big data infrastructure. It started a number of years ago even on our 3PAR platforms and other products, where we had scale-up databases. We moved and transitioned to batch-oriented Hadoop. Now we're fully embedded with real-time streaming analytics that come in every day, all day long, from our customers and telemetry. We're using AI and ML techniques to not only improve on what we've done that's certainly automating for the support experience, and making it easy to manage the platforms, but now introducing things like learning, automation engines, the recommendation engines for various things for our customers to take, essentially, the hands-on approach of managing the products and automate it and put into the products. So, for us, we've gone through a multi-phase, multi-year transition that's brought in things like Kafka and Spark and Elasticsearch. We're using all these techniques in our system to provide new services for our customers as well. >> Okay, great. You're practitioners, you got some street cred. >> Absolutely. >> Can I come back on InfoSight for a minute? It came through an acquisition of Nimble. It seems to us that you're a little bit ahead, and maybe you say a lot a bit ahead of the competition with regard to that capability. How do you see it? Where do you see InfoSight being applied across the portfolio, and how much of a lead do you think you have on competitors? >> I'm paranoid, so I don't think we ever have a good enough lead, right? You always gotta stay grinding on that front. But we think we have a really good product. You know, it speaks for itself. A lot of the customers love it. We've applied it to 3PAR, for example, so we came out with some, we have VMVision for a 3PAR that's based on InfoSight. We've got some things in the works for other product lines that are imminent pretty soon. You can think about what we've done for Nimble and 3PAR, we can apply similar type of logic to Elastic Platform for Analytics, like running at that type of cluster scale to automate a number of items that are pretty pedantic for the customers to manage. There's a lot of work going on within HPE to scale that as a service that we provide with most of our products. >> Okay, so where can I get more information on your big data offerings and what you guys are doing in that space? >> Yeah, so, we have, you can always go to hp.com/bigdata. We've got some really great information out there. We're in our run-up to our big end user event that we do every June in Las Vegas. It's HPE Discover. We have about 15,000 of our customers and trusted partners there, and we'll be doing a number of talks. I'm doing some work there with a British telecom. We'll give some great talks. Those'll be available online virtually, so you'll hear about not only what we're doing with our own InfoSight and big data services, but how other customers like BTE and 21st Century Fox and other folks are applying some of these techniques and making a big difference for their business as well. >> That's June 19th to the 21st. It's at the Sands Convention Center in between the Palazzo and the Venetian, so it's a good conference. Definitely check that out live if you can, or if not, you can all watch online. Excellent, Patrick, thanks so much for coming on and sharing with us this big data evolution. We'll be watching. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And thank you for watcihing, everybody. We'll see you next time. This is Dave Vellante for theCUBE. (fast techno music)

>> Voiceover: Live from Chicago, Illinois it's The Cube, covering Veeamon 2018. Brought to you by Veeam. >> Welcome back to the Windy City everybody. You are watching The Cube, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante and I'm here with Stu Miniman. Veeamon 2018 #Veeamon The husband of Mrs Philbin is here. (chuckling) The Astros, Warriors, Eagles, and whoever wins the Stanley Cup this year fan, Bill Philbin, Senior Vice President and Global Chief Technology Officer for Hybrid IT, for Hewlett Packard Enterprises, good friend of The Cube. >> Hello everybody. >> Awesome seeing you again, thanks for coming on. >> Every time you introduce me, it's something new, so I can't wait to share that with Mrs Philbin. >> Well she, like Stu says, that's where you go, for the information. >> That's exactly right, that's exactly right. >> So, another great keynote here, you stole the show last year, you're vying for top spot, top gun this year, so how do you feel? >> It was good, I said I think, the funny thing about Veeamon Hewlett Packard is, we have so much in common. The agenda is the same. It was almost hard to actually to create a unique slide set that was different from what they said, versus what we said. I think after 32 years, Mrs Philbin and I, we're not quite finishing each other's sentences, but I know what she wants me to do, without her telling me at this point. So, Veeam and HP have that kind of relationship. >> Well Veeam has a tendency and a way of inserting itself, into an ecosystem and it's certainly embedded itself into the HPE ecosystem. >> And I think that's, that's a lot of credit to Peter Mackay you know, he's joined now, what is it, 23, 24 months ago, and he's sort of brought that partner-centric viewpoint, grew the team around us. And they're really a, who we sort of pull out for other partners, say hey look, this is what these guys are doing, this is what you need to do to be successful, in a sprawling enterprise like Hewllet Packard, so, he's done a really, really good job I think. >> So give us an update on that sprawling enterprise. We make Hybrid IT simple, is your mantra. How is that going, you know where does your group fit in? >> So our couple of quarters into the new tenure of Antonio Anieri being the CEO, the engineer turned CEO. >> Got to make you happy? >> Absolutely makes me, and the thousands and thousands of engineers happy. Great first quarter, and we'll see what happens, sort of in quarter number, in quarter number two. There's a lot of focus within the company, now that we have divested ourselves of things that were less important. Focus on enterprise infrastructure, customers, around a couple of key concepts. Certainly we're pushing synergy, sort of, the synergy platform. Second pushing and talk about one sphere or hybrid IT, hybrid cloud offering, three, you know, we've had a lot of success in storage. Certainly the Nimble acquisition, which is hard to believe, was almost consummated, (mumbles) it's almost a year ago right? Its a year ago, actually in May. I just got off a holiday with Mrs Philbin, last year on the holiday, I was closing the Nimble transaction in the middle of the Indian Ocean, talking WIFI on the boat, via Google Voice to San Jose. There is nowhere now. >> Always on. >> Always on, exactly right. Talk about hyper availability. And so, I think we're pushing on, pushing on that, and then we've got, we renamed our services offering to Point Next offering, focusing around transformation et cetera so, I think the business is really clicking on all cylinders, and I think, you know, focus is actually quite interesting. We often focus on what we don't have, versus only focusing on what remains. And just like any start up, you focus on the first market segment, second market segment. Hewlett Packard is focused on enterprise infrastructure as a profession, I think that's, I think that's bode well for us. >> Yep, Bill one of the things we were talking about on the intro is, Veeam getting much deeper with their partners. One of the things we highlighted is, there's a couple of partners added in the price book. >> And what does that mean, from a go to market standpoint, that it's a little bit more seamless, you know, not invented by HP, but part of the whole solution. >> Well I said to Peter Mackay on stage, 18 months ago we did this transaction, which at the time was considered pretty revolutionary, given the fact that we had other things in the portfolio at that point that did data protection. And it's what, first and foremost, it's what our customers wanted and asked for. They wanted a more seamless transaction between the two organizations so we went ahead and did that. Second, there's always been a strong engineering relationship between the two companies, but if it's still talking to two partners at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. You know, an integrated offering, on the same price list, on the same PO, supported by both companies together, is really what customers are looking for. And as I said in the keynote, you know, we closed the single biggest transaction that, in Veeam's history, which was a Hewlett Packard and Veeam win for every seven dollars, I think it was, of Hewlett Packard, that we closed, a dollar of that was Veeam. And that's, sort of, the power of the partnership, demonstrated by the two companies coming together. And it's hard to believe, again, it's 18 months, you know, that's a pretty impressive track record. >> You're obviously not sharing, you know, any names on that deal. But can you share with us, any other information that's public, why did you win? Maybe you can share, you know, the type of win that it was. Why HPE and Veeam? >> Yeah, the customer, obviously, is not prepared to have us, sort of, talk about their name, for now anyway. But, essentially, what the customer was looking for was, a complete sort of back up and recovery solution that covered, not only traditional virtualized environments, but also gave them outlet for the cloud. More and more customers, as I said in my keynote, it's more than keeping a copy everyday between your primary and your secondary. You need a third copy, because guess what happens? And I said this last year, if you remember. Boo boos happen quickly right? (laughing) Something changed and deleted here, actually fast replicates here, you need a third copy to be complete, they were looking for that. And third, they were looking for, sort of, they were already an HP customer, they were looking for solution offering that would amortize their existing real estate, that was the three reasons. >> And, but your third copy model is different than having to build a third data center. It's a much more space-efficient, modern approach. >> So together with Veeam and our, (mumbles) our displace back up target, roughly last year, we announced this capability called Cloudbank which allows you to keep a copy in any S3 compliant interface. So it can be in on prem, or on open stack, implementation or it can be on any of the web services providers and it's done in an efficient, data protected deetip capability so, it's an efficient way to keep a copy of, what we call hail Mary data. Right, you hope you never need it right? An efficient way to sort of do that. >> Okay, one of the big topics of discussion these days is ransomware, what are your thoughts on ransomware? >> Well it's funny, you know, I always thought ransomware was something that you wore when you were dropping off the money, right. (laughing) Apparently it means something more than that. >> Dave: Yeah, I think so. (voice drowned out by crosstalk) >> Last year at Discover, we had a customer who was a meat processor, a meat processor. Now you can imagine what kind of customers you're going to ask, a customer that does meat processing. But it actually infected their servers that actually helped them run their meat processing capability. Now that is not a business that you would expect someone will call you up and say, "Hi we have your data, give us $1000 and we'll give you your data back.". It's a meat processing company, or a gourmet food provider is a more typical way they would present it. But if they're, if that's happening to that sort of line of business, imagine what's happening to power plants, you know et cetera et cetera. So the ramsomware stuff is really real. So if you think about HP, we developed the most secure server with our Gen10 platform. We actually guarantee and actually look at changes being made in a firmer environment. We cover them for you automatically. We've got the Veeam sort of capability to recover, and I think we were talking about it in the preview. We used to measure availability in how many nines you had. Now, unavailability is the only thing that customers care about and if you go to a customer and say, "It's okay, you're only .0001 of the rest of our customers" that's not a good story right? It's not about when something happens, or if something happens, it's when something's going to happen and the power of Veeam and HP together, prevents, bad things from happening right? >> Bill, it's interesting, I know in my career, it's been a significant shift. It used to be, let's pardon it as much as possible, tool, redundancy, hardware focused. But cover eventually breaks. >> Bill: It does. >> Today, it's a soft world, it's distributed architecture, look at things like your synergy solution, it's much more modular and componentized. Maybe you can talk a little bit about some of those shifts, as to how we build availability architecturally, like the HPE and Veeam meet the new needs of what we need, as opposed to kind of the old way of doing things. >> It's actually interesting, so a lot of customers are looking at software-fine infrastructures as a way of amortizing their existing infrastructure. And it's actually cost savings. But I equate it to sort of, making a decision to buy Mrs Philbin a chest of drawers at a furniture store or, going to Home Depot, buying the wood, milling the wood and actually creating something myself. Now the good news about software fine infrastructure is, it's just like me making Mrs Philbin a chest of drawers, is at the end, it's mine. Right, I got it to my specifications. The bad news about software fine infrastructure is when there's a problem, Mrs Philbin isn't calling the furniture store, she's calling me right? And so, when you think about software fine infrastructure, is, you have to imagine two things. One is, are you prepared to write an application that is ready to resolve the kinds of data resiliency and data availability, capabilities that the hardware manufacturers have built into systems for 20 years. Now if you've got a unique system, that does one thing, it's probably easy. Imagine hosting 160 different applications, like that was mentioned on the stage today. And creating resiliency for that. So my conversation with customers about software define is, please go in wide open. Number two, please think about resiliency, not at the storage level, but also think about resiliency at the application level. You have got to provide for a time when something is not as available as you think it is. And make those steps consciously. >> Let me ask you, from a technologist's perspective. >> Bill: Yeah. >> If I understand you correctly, so if I'm Oracle, I can do things in the application, >> Bill: Sure. >> To accomplish that outcome, but you're not an application ISD, so you have to do things in your architecture, and assume that any application that's running can recover. >> Bill: Correct. >> Is that right? So can you help us understand that, how you approach that problem architecturally? >> Well I think you know, we haven't talked about big data, or Infosite, but if you think about it. The way to best protect a customer's infrastructure, is to actually monitor their infrastructure, compare their results to what others are receiving, recommend ways that they can actually tune up their infrastructure and eventually, act on their behalf, to make the changes to their infrastructure, so they're always protected. As I said in my keynote, it's getting to a point where you actually can't do all that stuff yourself. So the key, one of the key strategies around Hewlett Packard Enterprises, is to take the infrastructure capability which is basically machine learning, artificial intelligence, sort of capability, and deliver a system which helps customers be always on. That's the first thing that I think you can do. And you're going to be really good about making sure that I get out. >> I am, we got like two minutes, and I want to use every second I have of you, so. Okay, so I want to follow up on the Infosite, you've brought that out beyond just Nimble. >> Bill: That's right. >> I think you've brought it to Three Par and you're pushing it out throughout your entire portfolio right? >> So for customers who are going to see us at Discover, we've got some interesting things we'll talk about there. But effectively we've rolled it out across the portfolio, because, as I said in my keynote, it's not really easy to predict, why availability is an issue. Is it a host issue, is it a software issue, is it a networking issue, is it a storage issue. What Infosite eventually provides is a set of hooks that allow you to meter and measure and manage your entire infrastructure, and get it to a point where it's actually subscribing to the best practice of the organization or application provider. >> One of the things you hear a lot about is, how do you take back up and recovery, which is largely an insurance business, and create value out of it? GDPR is this sort of heinous you know, set of regulations, everybody's got to pay attention to it. Are we finally seeing the day, where the backup data protection, governance approach, can actually bring value to the rest of the organization? Or is it still just insurance, deal with it? >> So I think, I would say two things Dave, one is if you look at what Nimble's just announced with their secondary flasher right? Where we can keep a very cost effective copy of your data on an array, that looks like the array you copied it from. That can be used for dev ops, it can be used in the event of a failure et cetera. I think we're starting to see technologies available now where that, that happens. Second, the ability to make a copy of that in the cloud, and actually bring up your most critical applications in the cloud by using a Synergy, or a Onesphere capability, so you can actually keep a hot stand by, I think we're starting to see that. I think, you know backup is moving from a, cost of doing business, to something that's vital, vital in the enterprise but always remember that, the best time to think about a backup, is before you need it. The worst time to think about a backup, is when you need it. >> Yeah, and I think you'd agree that data protection as a topic, is moving up in the minds of CXO and boards of directors and the like. >> Yeah, and it's unfortunate that some of these bad actors that are out there, right, the CNN's and, this has caught more than just the IT community press, it's actually caught the business press. And I think it's drawing a lot more attention around the reason why people should think about availability. >> Right, you got to go, you got to catch a plane. But just give a little tease for HPE Discover. It's coming up in June, it's a great conference that you guys have every year, twice a year you do this US one, and one in Europe, give us a tease for June. >> I would say, this is going to be the most exciting HPE Discover on record. And this is Antonio's opportunity to sort of, talk to you about what's headed, what's headed forward for Hewlett Packard so, be there or be square. >> Okay. >> Dating myself. >> Okay we're square. Alright thank you Bill, for coming on The Cube and we'll be right back after this short break. We're at Veeamon 2018 in Chicago. Thanks for watching. (electronic music)

>> Announcer: Live from Copenhagen, Denmark, it's theCUBE! Covering KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe 2018. Brought to you by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, and it's ecosystem partners. >> Hello there and welcome back to theCUBE's exclusive coverage of KubeCon 2018, the Cloud Native Compute Foundation. CNCF, I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. My cohost Lauren Cooney is here with me this week. Our next two guests are from HPE Developer program. Paul Holland, Director of Open Source Program Office. And Said Syed, who is the Head of HP Developer Experience. CUBE alumni. Welcome back. Good to see you. >> Thanks for having us. >> Thanks for comin' on. >> Thank you. >> First of all, new logo. I love that, I want to get into it. HPE Developer program. We've had many conversations in the past about the relationship with Docker. The work you guys are doing inside the enterprises with cloud, multi-cloud and hybrid cloud. Why are you guys here? What's the story? What's the update from HPE? >> In December we launched this new program called the HP Community Developer Program. And that's really focused on reaching out to the developers that are out there. Whether these are DevOps developers, Cloud Native application developers, ITOps developers, who are looking to do integration with HPE infrastructure as well as our software defined platforms. It's basically evangelizing all of the good work that HP's doing in the open source program and other areas. Do you want to add something, Paul? >> Yeah, I think part of it is the recognition that HPE is a software company. After all of the separations, the divestiture with HPI and that micro-focus. We're left with really still a lot of developer power. It's the idea that as we work with developers internally and externally, we need to formalize that developer program. Both inside of open source and the general developer. Go through our API's and some of that coordination, to really make the developer work. >> I mean we're talking software defined. Everything now, you guys have been part of that. To give you guys some props, we've interviewed in the past four or five years, you guys were doing, talking micro services early on. >> Syed: That's right. >> Again the enterprise has software defined systems. >> You guys are a big part of that. So I got to ask you, the perfect storm is here. I mean Kubernetes, which is on the scene, is now, at least in my opinion, the defacto standard for interoperability around multi-cloud. This is the perfect storm for a company as big as HP with all the customers. So what is... I mean you guys must be sitting there going, perfect timing! What does it mean for you guys, Kubernetes? This is going to give you certainly a tail wind for deployments, and customer value creation. What's it mean internally for HPE? >> Well I think Kubernetes is at the heart, as you mentioned, of the open source ecosystem. It's about all of those Lego blocks now finally coming together with micro-services. And being able to put 'em together for an enterprise class workload. And given our history and expertise there I think you're right. It's a great opportunity to make sure that it works for the enterprise developer, for general developers. And how everything comes together within it, within a corporate world of development. >> Are you guys doubling down? >> Syed: Absolutely. >> What's the story internally? Is it got the charter from the top? >> That's right, yeah, we're definitely doubling down. As you mentioned, we started early on with micro services, with our partnership at Docker. We have a great relationship with Mesosphere. And we're full on with Kubernetes. You know we have a product that we're actually demoing here on the show floor, called HPE OneSphere. We launched the product in December of last year. And one of the things it actually does, it enables Kubernetes' cluster management on-prem and off-prem. For example in AWS. Deployment, management, all of those things. We are full on. We also have open source projects in the Kubernetes landscape. It's called Project Dory. That enables persistent storage. It's actually contributed by our Nimble big business unit. We're very focused on enabling our developers. Things that enable them is things like, how can I automatically deploy applications? And so on. Using Kubernetes cluster or Kubernetes environment. Working with Paul and others that's exactly what we're focused on. >> What are some of the user cases that you guys are seeing? As you mentioned some of those deployments. Is it really existing integration within HP Solutions? Like OneSphere? And OneSphere's obviously going to be a nice paint a glass and look at the platform of what the cloud offers. Is it Edge? Is it IoT? I mean what are some of the user cases? >> I think it's all of the above. I think what we're seeing is legacy enterprises having all of these legacy applications that they need to migrate this new world. At the same time they're struggling with, how do then I make hybrid? How do I then go to the Edge? And so across the board, I think that's the power of going back to your original question about HPE. Is we've seen all of that in the enterprise. And can we put those proprietary componentry into the products? Like a OneSphere on top of open source components. The reason we're here at Kubernetes, as an example, is to really highlight to developers that if you really want to bring things together. We can help you do that. Whether it be legacy applications, new application, greenfield applications. All within this again Lego block type environment, within Kubernetes and these other open source platforms. >> I mean you guys also again on the composable infrastructure kind of story. It's kind of here, right? >> That's right. Again we started down this journey three, four years ago with Docker. And several others. We built this unified ecosystem. A composable ecosystem. And in the ecosystem I think there's now like 40 some partners. But that's growing. If you look at it from a layered cake point of view. The infrastructure is here. That problem has been solved for a long time. You have infrastructure management. With one view, with our composable API's. Working with components like Docker, and Mesosphere, and Redfish, and other open source products and services, on top of that with OneSphere as the multi-cloud/hybrid cloud management platform, again using the power of our API's. And then integrating north bound with these hybrid multi-cloud management environments, as well as south bound with infrastructure management. Now you have the overall story. We're really exploiting the power of API's. And enabling our developers internally, as well as developers outside of HPE, To come together and start to think about this new idea. Is there a solution for that? Absolutely, there's an app for it. And then the way you build that app is build that API integration. >> You talked about an app store that you guys are working on. It has about 40 different partners in it. What about users of the solutions that are in there? Are you seeing an uptick in that? And what are you seeing in terms of that and what are they using? >> Yeah so I'll give you a quick example. We launched the developer community program in December. We launched the portal in December. And in the past two and a half months, we have seen a significant uptick and actually just people comin' in and hanging out on the portal. I think we are up to about 30,000 unique, unique views of our page. Most people are spending three to four minutes, which is a lot in today's terms. Someone who is going there, reading our content. And then on top of that actually consumer-ship of our projects. Grommet for example is one of our open source projects that HP funds. It's a UX front end. I think it has more than 10,000 people that are following it, and using it. Companies like Netflix, for example, use Grommet as a UX. Most of our SDCG is off our defined applications are now using Grommet. So OneSphere, One View. That's our de facto standard. But it's open source, anyone can use it. >> Are you finding, HP is traditionally been kind of a company that does a lot of things internally. Are you guys opening up for the first time? With allowing your developers to build things that will be put into open source? Can you talk a little bit about that? >> The power of HP is we've had a rich collaboration history for a long, long time. And I think you alluded to it before. From an enterprise perspective, how can we make that easy? Not only for our own internal developers. And maybe this is where this question comes from from an internal perspective. Even ten, 15 years ago with Martin Fink, at the helm of the open source group. And then ultimately as the CTO. And things have shifted through the separations. How do you leverage that power of openness, collaboration, that's in their DNA? And really empowering them to share. How do we take concepts like inner sourcing, which is the open sourcing of activities inside a company, And really start develop those habits and capabilities. Whether or not it's external is just a flip of the switch. But developers know how to contribute. They're also learning best of breed skills. And developing their own career over time. >> Cooney: That is great to hear. >> And enabling that for other enterprises as well. Which is really where a lot of our customers come to us and say, hey you're an enterprise with lots and lots of developers. How do I get that same power with mine? And you kind of walk them through the journey. >> It's interesting, I'd love to get your thoughts on this. I think you guys are doing... First of all I love the new logo. I think it's really important everyone knows you guys have a very active and open source community. And have been on this. This is not a new thing, revelation within HP. But Intel has the same challenge. They're tryna move away from that Intel Inside. You guys are known to a lot of people as a hardware company. You got HP.com is now the printer and the peripheral side. But it's a cloud game. You're still selling servers but people are still buying servers. The cloud providers need servers. They need it. But the software is the key, the software defined infrastructure is now that glue layer. Service meshes are hot. You're seeing SDO's got massive traction. Everything's pointing to this new level of services at scale. >> That's right. >> I want to get your thoughts on the HP story there. Can you take a minute to explain what you guys are doing with that vision? Because Cloud Native isn't just about the cloud. There's a lot of on-prem activity that's moving to a cloud operating model. So it's not a full public cloud. What's your story? >> If you look at the overall strategy. We make hybrid IT simple, recognizing that it's all those different flavors. We have to enable the software capabilities because the world is software enabled. You have all those componentries working together seamlessly and automated. And then we have the services groups to make it happen. With the Pointnext, and the acquisitions of cloud technology partners in the new areas. We have a wide variety of a portfolio of services that are now enabled. And experts to actually go help customers do it. And so we have the capability legacy. We also have the capability of the new generation of IT. And everywhere in between. And then you talk about the Edge. And so with our acquisition Aruba, which it seems like a long time ago. It's just a few years. They've been an integral part of taking that from a data center all the way to the edge and in between. I think we've got those multiple layers of hybrid IT. We have the software enabled activities, which definitely includes open source. Because you can't be software enabled without software and open source. And then from a service perspective, the wealth, depth of bench, in terms of... >> And OneSphere's the key product that, for you guys, that connects all this. Is that kind of where the momentum is? >> Holland: It's one of them. >> One of them, okay. >> And then if you look at some of the acquisitions we have made. CTP, for example, or Cloud Cruiser, for example. These are all helping us build our portfolio of rich services that enable customers to go from a pure on-prem, pure hardware focus company. To now a new age Cloud Native, or hybrid cloud sort of company, where, we have the experience. Now, we have the experience with all of these different acquisitions like CTP, to enable them to have a full hybrid cloud of micro plus macro services kind of migration capabilities. >> What are you guys offering developers? Not that I'm going to ask you for the pitch. Cause everyone, the developers are getting a lot of pitches, if you will. People say I got to own the developer. They don't want to be owned. They want to be collaborative. But they're closer to the front lines than ever, these developers. And they're really looking at business problems. It's not just, here's the specs go code it. They're on the front lines. Right at the point of engagement for the business logic, and the business models of a lot of these applications. What do you guys bring to the table for the developers? Is it marketplace? Is it distribution? Is it opportunity? What is the value proposition that you guys are talking to developers about, specifically? >> I think it's all three. We really start with internal, right? We are aligning our internal developers to really consume our own champagne. Drink your own champagne. So what does that mean? Can you use OneSphere to develop OneSphere? Absolutely. Our mentality is, our OneSphere developers, in fact a couple of our distinguished technologists are here. So more customer focused. Do your development on your own products, on your own products. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. >> So that's number one, right? If they go through the pains of developing on our own products. They will know exactly which areas to focus on. And so that's one thing we are really enabling our developers to do. Is really think outside in, versus inside out. Gone are the days of, we will build it and they will come. No they won't. You have to really give them what they are going to consume. So from a strategy perspective, we're really exposing our developers to the outside world. Hey go out there. Talk to them. Learn what they're looking for. Right, so that's number one. Number two. With the developer community program, and the developer portal, and the open source program. Now that we're collaborating across HPE, at the top end and the bottom end. We're not really able to think about how we use the power of our API's, from layer 1 infrastructure all the way up to layer 7. Or Layer 5 and above. And say, "Alright how do we enable these guys to build value add that really solves their problem?" Whether it's DevOps problems. CI/CD? Whether it deploying applications, managing, monitoring applications. It's all through the power of API. If you can automate it, orchestrate it and manage it. Then we have really solved your problems. This is why we're not only going after and enabling the developers by giving them what they need. We're also partnering with key partners in our ecosystem that actually brings the best of breed. And that's what the customers are used to using today. >> And you guys had it more up to stack. Certainly the application level is a key point. What about the channel opportunity? Cause I'm seeing, and I've been talking about this on theCUBE lately, is developers are the new sales channel, because in the old days VAR's, and ISV's and channel partners would bring solutions. And you guys had a great channel, have a great channel that brings solutions to customers. Now these customers are having programming and developing done from the partners. You guys have to create that. Are you guys looking at that as a significant opportunity, with this program? >> In today's world you have to think about things in a different way. With the advent of DevOps. With the developers no longer in their cubes, not touching production, they're releasing the production daily. Or multiple times per day. And so we're lookin', or have looked with that with, how do the developer work. And get that all the way to production. At the same time, what's the skill sets to work with in the open? Are you talking about the channel? The open source community is a great channel. Not only for ideas and conversations, but also to meet people. Not only are we there. >> Furrier: Your buyers are there. >> Yeah exactly. We're releasing the customers. But customers is part of our community. Vendors are part of our community. Partners are part of our community. And together we're building a community of developers that are doing work that ultimately goes to production multiple times per year. >> When you guys get this right, I think the gains will be huge. >> Well I'll give you an example. One of the largest web companies in the world. We're partnering with them. They're a huge customer of ours. Instead of selling to their frontline, we went and started talking to their developers. And their developer leaderships. To the point where we are working on doing hackathons. So our developers, their developers, in the same conference room, solving joint problems together. >> Cooney: So co-development. >> Co-developing, exactly. We call it a hackathon. But yeah, co-developing, absolutely. That's where we're focused. Because today developers and the line of businesses have more and more and more influence on key technology decisions. That's where the money is. >> Being genuine and authentic in these communities is certainly a great, successful formula. You guys, see that. We'll be following your progress. Thanks for coming on theCUBE and sharing the update. And congratulations on the new program. And the new logo. I'd love to get a shirt when you get a chance. >> Absolutely, yeah. >> Congratulations, great to see you. Thanks for comin' on. We are here at KubeCon 2018 in Europe. This is theCUBE, I'm John Furrier. Thanks for watching. We'll be back with more live coverage after this short break.

>> Announcer: Live from Madrid Spain, it's theCUBE covering HPE Discover Madrid 2017. Brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. >> We're back. This is theCUBE that you're watching, the leader in live tech coverage. We're at HPE Discover 2017 in Madrid. My name is Dave Vellante, I'm here with my co-host for the week, Peter Burris. Peter, it's been great working with you this week. >> Indeed, it's been great. >> We're winding down, and we're really excited to have Ric Lewis, >> Great ideas. >> Senior Vice President and General Manger of the Software Defined and Cloud Group. Many time CUBE guest with HPE, and Jeff Wike of Dreamworks. CTO, thanks for coming on. >> Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> Great to see you. You're welcome. Been a good week? >> It's been a fantastic week. >> Things are coming into focus? >> They are. >> You killed it on the keynote, how are you feeling? >> Feeling really good, feeling really good. I mean, the momentum in the software defined and cloud arena is just fantastic. You know, there were times when I used to visit with you guys and we were only talking about what's coming in the future. Now we're talking a lot about what we have, what customers are buying, where we have momentum. And still introducing new things, so it's just a whole lot of fun. >> Jeff, Senior Vice President, CTO, can we talk a little bit about your role? What the scope is? >> Sure. Sure, so Dreamworks Animation, you may have heard of it. >> Yeah. We do we make animated films. >> Good friend Kate Swanberg's been on a number of times. >> Kate's, love her. We make animated films, we do a lot more than that. We're a digital content creation company. So we, we're the largest TV animation studio in the world. We're doing theme park ride work, cause we've got, we're now under NBC Universal. So we're doing a lot of projects, it's a very busy time for us. >> So, Synergy, we talked about Synergy a lot, there's nothing >> Yeah. >> like Synergy we've heard. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Fluid pools of infrastructure. >> Yeah, it just gets better. >> Wait and see and so, what can you tell us? How's the momentum? >> Yeah let's talk a little bit about that. So the momentum on Synergy is fantastic. We started shipping in volume at this conference last year, basically December of last year. And the response has been fantastic. We've looked at Momentum for new infrastructure plays. You know if you look back at our history, whether it was the C7000 or whether it was UCS from Cisco or whether it was VCEs built on UCS, Nutanix. If you kind of look at the first year of a new infrastructure play, Synergy looks like it's the fastest growing thing ever. It's just fantastic, really growing for us. We have over 1100 customers on Synergy now. You know, and that's in 11 months of shipping. And the business, it just continues to grow quarter by quarter. Just really thrilled with the progress there, so happy. >> And you guys are customers? >> We're big customers, if we're not the biggest customer, we're certainly the biggest fan. >> One of the biggest, one of the biggest customers, maybe the biggest fan. >> Certainly the biggest fan. >> Okay so Jeff, tell us, take us back to sort of pre-Synergy, you know, what was it like before and after and what has it done for your business in particular? >> Well one of the things that that we face going forward is we developed, in our infrastructure, and inner data center, we do a lot of rendering to make a movie. That's our largest high performance compute. You know, 80 million render hours, CPU hours to make one of these films. And we're making a lot of them at the same time. We really defined that work flow, and how we optimize the data center hardware to be able to go through that work flow and be able to be as efficient as possible. The issue came with we have a lot of other projects that are coming in, and since we are now under NBC Universal, there's a lot of other work that's happening there. And also, different types of media that's coming, you know, around the corner. And we want to be able to prepare for that. What we would have done traditionally would be to buy to peak, you know because it is rather cyclical, and that's what we would do that on prem, peak. But if we had a special project, we might buy or segment a portion of that and say, you know, this is for this purpose. This is for that purpose, but that's very inefficient. So with Synergy, the beauty of it is we can purchase you know that hardware, but then if we want to be able to use it for another project, we can do that. And we can do that very very quickly. >> You said you repurpose that across your application portfolio. Or your project portfolio. >> Yeah. Yeah, it gives us, I like to say it future proofs us. Because now no matter what the parent company or our own creative ambitions are, we can handle that. We can't say no, well we never say no. We usually say not right now, or wait a couple of weeks or a couple of months to be able to provision that. And now it's, it's instantaneous. >> And I know what Ric's answer would be to this, but I want to hear from the customers. Is this really different than other products that you've experienced. >> It's totally unique. We haven't experienced it before. And I'll give you, I'll give you a little example. We just got our order. We got about 200 servers of Synergy that arrived a couple of months ago. And within seven working days, we were using it in production. And I just want to say, we took, I don't know if I told you this story, but we were able to provision all of that from the time we mounted in the racks within five hours, which is incredible. It would have taken us easily three weeks before. In fact, it took us longer to take it out of the cartons than it did to provision. >> Well, so let me see if I... You're talking about maybe 200 servers. You're probably talking about 8,000 individual tasks configured. To get it done in five hours you probably perform what, 40, 50 tasks? Administrative steps? >> By the way, first time doing it. And our engineers were saying, we could've used more parallelism. We could've done it faster. You know, it's almost a challenge to see just how easy you can do this. >> But I got that right? Is it really like 98 percent reduction in the administrative tasks? >> Absolutely. >> Really? >> That's incredible. >> It is. >> Huh, alright. >> That's before you start flexing work, flexing resources against different workloads and dynamically reprovisioning. This is just provisioning the first time. But it, if you think about it, if you're gonna do it dynamically, it can't take forever, so you've gotta make it, the first time it's gotta be super fast. >> Okay. >> So, I have to admit I'm a little stunned, I didn't know that. So, and as you said, the whole point is that you can reprovision >> Yes. >> Over and over. Which means that the... There's something in economics and technology that's known as an asset specificity. And an asset has high specificity when you buy it and can appropriate it to a specific purpose. And about the only thing in tech that makes something an asset specificity is the administrative tasks of changing it to prepare it to do something else. And you just told me that I can remove nearly 100% of the transaction costs associated with taking an asset from this and applying it to that. >> If you're gonna destroy silos in the data center, that's what you have to do. >> But that's... >> Right, so silo is this asset specificity. If you can repurpose it immediately. >> So I'm excited, that's my second question. How did your people respond to this? Because I talked to a lot of other CIOs that say one of the biggest challenges I'm having, or CTOs, one of the biggest challenges I'm having is I'm able to converge hardware, I'm able to converge to some software, I'm able to converge Administrative tasks, but my people don't like converge. What, they don't like to converge. How are you walking your people through some of these changes to liberate these opportunities? >> Well we've been moving toward, from more traditional, we'll call it IT for now. From traditional IT to dev ops environment and, you know what, it's change. So we've been bringing people along in that you know, to, and some people adapt to it. They say wow this is gonna be great for my career. And engineers want to always use the new stuff, so from that aspect of I know how I work, and I know what I do, to here's a better way of doing it to be more automated, it's been a good experience for people. And you know what, the chance of human error in configuring things... If I look to my long history at Dreamworks, 21 years, I look at any down time we've had or any problems, 90% of that has been from misconfiguration. And it's usually from somebody fat fingering, you know a parameter in the set up of the servers. And now, that's virtually eliminated. >> Did you have to go through some kind of organizational, internal sort of discussion, transformation, whatever you want to call it to actually get to the point where you could buy this way, buy a sort of single SKU of Synergy? Because you maybe previously you were buying bespoke, kind of roll your own components. A little server here, maybe some storage over there, maybe some networking here. Now maybe it's all HP that made it simpler, but you probably had specialist in each of those areas, did you not? >> We did. >> How did you deal with that organizational friction? >> You know, that was an issue as and by the way, there's so many, there's so much technology that's being developed some of it open source, some of it in this partner ecosystem that you have. And trying to stay abreast of that has been a real challenge. And one of the things that we always dreamed of is wouldn't it be nice if there was one way that you could control that. The single pane of glass, which is you know, to be able to have an API layer that everybody could hook in to. I think you've got a company like Hewlett Packard Enterprise that has that dominance in the market place to be able to dictate, I'm using that word. >> Yeah. >> Maybe dictate isn't the right word. >> Offer. >> Offer. (group laughing) >> That's the word we use. Enable. >> Enable, you know those APIs. And all of those are being developed you know almost in parallel. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So this stuff is really coming in. Now we have our own... We're a snowflake like everybody else is to your point. And what we've done is we brought in the Pointnext team to go in and write those northbound APIs so that we can hook in to one view. To be able to manage all of our legacy, I'll call it legacy, our previous infrastructure along with you know, the new tech that we're buying. So that it makes it easy to manage. >> They made it match the composable API that we put into Synergy. It's natively integrated. All the ecosystem partners are adapting to it. And they said we'll just use that as our standard to even manage our legacy infrastructure. Plus, since Oneview runs on legacy infrastructure, all of the HPE stuff, it just adapts like that. So it's been a very good, good project. >> So you've got a lot of experience with this now. Can you share with, maybe you can quantify it, maybe you can't, but even subjectively the developer impact or the animator impact, the business impact to Dreamworks? >> So the biggest impact... Well I have three things that are my, actually I got this from Meg Whitman, I had a list of 12 objectives for the studio for technology and she said at one of the CIO summits, you've gotta have three. So I said okay, I've gotta pare it down to three. And one of those is provide the technology, the software and infrastructure to meet the creative needs. The second one was innovate for competitive advantage. And the third one was drive efficiency into operations. And if you look at what Synergy provides, it hits every single one of those. So we've actually, you know, over the past year or two, we've actually reduced the number of people that we have maintaining our infrastructure, which is amazing if you consider the fact that this year we doubled the size of our infrastructure. In what other business, in what other area can you actually reduce the amount of people that are maintaining something while you're doubling the amount that you're maintaining. That never happens. And I think it's because of this software defined infrastructure and the fact that you can write these recipes or profiles, whatever you want to call them, personalities. >> Yep, yep, yep. >> To be able to... And test them and harden them. And by the way, that reminds me, one of the things I really like about this is our ability to do proofs of concept, to try different workflows and all that without having to take away resources from the main thing that we're doing which is the artistic community. So we can actually say, you know what? We're gonna go in, reimage these servers. We're gonna do that at night to run this test, in the morning they're back, they're back in the pool. And that's an amazing thing. >> That's dynamic provisioning. No one else can dynamically provision. >> Yeah. >> All the converge systems, all the hyper converge, they're provisioned a certain way. They run VMs a certain way. They stay that way for their lifetime. This stuff dynamically reprovisions, and you guys, you're not even talking about kind of doing containers with VMs and containers with your bare metal, you can dynamically reprovision across that as well. >> Yeah, what he said. (laughter) >> Listen, we're just getting started so just relax, okay. These guys are telling me we gotta wrap. We're not gonna wrap. >> No. >> We haven't even gotten to One Sphere yet. >> We have other topics. Exactly. >> So let's get to One Sphere. >> Yeah. >> Yeah I want to talk about One Sphere. But I do want to say. >> Go ahead, last thought. >> One more thing, so you talked about artists, but the other part of it is for developers so one of the things we don't want the engineering teams to be a hindrance to the developers. Because they want to be able to move quickly, they want to be able to be assessing, and I think one of the things that's not just an impact on our artists, to be able to do these new projects, but also it makes our developers more efficient. They don't have to wait. >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. Now let's talk multi cloud. >> Yep. >> A lot of complexity, the more things get simple, the more complex they seem to get. So, One Sphere. You guys announced yesterday. >> Yeah, so. A core pillar of the HP strategy, make hybrid IT simple, right. And you can see from this conversation we're making hybrid IT simple on-prem. Not only do we have Synergy, but we have a fantastic offering in our Simplivity space. And that platform's over 2,000 customers and growing like crazy as well. But after we did that, we said look, we've got fantastically simple virtualization clusters in Simplivity, we've got great dynamic reprovisioning and composable infrastructure, but customer are not... That's part of their hybrid IT problem, that's the on-prem part. They're also wrestling with I've got multiple cloud instances, I need to get insights into where I'm spending my money, where workloads are deployed and all that. So we started this program, HPE OneSphere. We've had it going for almost three years. We had a small team on it early on. We ramped up the staffing a couple years ago. And what it really does, it's pretty simple. It allows you to build clouds, deploy apps, and gain insights extremely fast. So it's designed for IT ops to be able to build and deploy a private cloud as fast as they can and assemble that with their public cloud assets. And provide one place to look at all of those. For developers, it provides a common multi-tenant environment that has all the services and tools they need to be able to deploy an application whether it's on-prem or off-prem, and you can choose, you can build applications that have some of both inside that developer environment. And then for the business, it shows insights into where's the money being spent? Where are those workloads running and what's it costing me? So, think of it almost as composable at that next level where it's not just resources within chassis, now it's resources across the hybrid IT estate. It actually is public cloud assets from any of the public clouds, whether it's AWS, Azure, Google, Cloud28+, as well as your private cloud assets. And it automates the life cycle stuff that we were just talking about through this application into OneView. It's a SaaS environment, so actually OneSphere is software as a service. It lives in the cloud, it's a subscription that our customers buy, and it does all of this capability to simplify their hybrid environment and taps into the capabilities we just talked about. It's fantastic, nobody has anything like it. >> Okay well we've heard that before, but now... >> Exactly. >> You're putting your money where your mouth is. >> So I was right on that one. >> Okay but it's early days for OneSphere. >> Okay. >> And your private cloud is what we call a true private cloud. >> Which you said on stage yesterday. >> I did that's exactly right. >> It's evidence by your ability to reduce staff to manage infrastructure. >> It's a con experience wherever the data requires is how we put it. >> Yes, yes. We want the simplicity of management and the availability of apps that you get in public cloud in the private cloud. >> And the pricing. Yeah? >> Well, yeah, well... No, cause it's actually more expensive to go public cloud. >> I mean pricing models. >> Oh yes, yeah. >> The consumption is what you're basically talking about, yeah. >> And so you, Jeff you guys are OneSphere or OneSphere betas? >> Yeah, you bet. >> So what were you trying to learn? What were you kicking the tires on, testing? Where'd you focus? >> We, you know, if we look at the future, we're not gonna be on-prem forever, and I certainly don't want to be on-prem forever, I want to take advantage of flexing to public cloud, but again, for our films, you know, we want to be able to provide the producers of those movies, what is that gonna cost me? What is that, how can I tell you what that costs? And where can we move as we start to do more different types of projects? Which ones should go to the public cloud? Which ones should stay inside? And be able to understand that. The other thing that made us nervous about public cloud. Was what they call the zombie cloud instances, you know where you went in, you provision something and then you forget about, and you, but you're paying, you know. And that's, a lot of money is made. >> Kind of like app subscriptions. >> Group: Yes, exactly. >> I'm still paying for that? (laughter) >> Exactly but this gives you all of that... >> 4,000 dollars a month. >> A little different right. >> Or 15,000 a month. (laughter) >> Yeah, that's for sure. That visibility is something that all... We talk about it, CFOs hate this thing... Some of the consumption model is shifting from cap ex to op ex, but CFOs hate surprise op ex. And that's where they're actually surprised by oh my gosh look at that bill. Well this provides visibility into all of those assets, whether they're on-prem or off-prem and what they're costing you. And it's always up to date, and it's always consistent across your entire farm, so you can choose and say that's costing me too much, I want to move those apps over here. And immediately do it. And for a lot of our customers, they're over-provisioned so they have spare capacity on-prem they're not taking advantage of. Why not use some of that and it's instantly provisioned. >> And that's where you initially, anyway, see the business value of OneSphere. >> Well, look, it's OneSphere to rule them all. And I believe whether it's private, public, you know we really want to have what is my total resource availability? So in the future, we never say no anymore. Really, we can tell them how much, but you don't have to say no. And the other thing is we can do this stuff instantly. So, we don't even say when, we just go now here's what you have to pay if you want to do it, we can provide those options. It's a new world. >> I love the demo of, I don't know if you guys saw it, there's a demo with Pong, you know, it's the IT guy of the past. >> Yeah the guy saying no. >> And then they made it vertical. It's the IT guy of the future. So, alright my last question. What cool movies can we anticipate? What's coming? >> Well you know what, How to drain... How to Train, how to drain your tragon I was gonna say. (laughter) How to Train Your Dragon 3 is our next film out and it's gonna be unbelievable. >> I'll bet. >> So my last question. Am I gonna have to continue to sit through 15 minutes of IT credits at the end of future Dreamworks movies as a consequence of Synergy? >> There's less, cause there's less resources required to manage your Synergy hardware. So it's less people. >> I know you don't sit through the credits. (laughter) >> I do. (laughter) I love credits. Alright guys, thanks very much for coming on. >> Thank you. >> It's been a great pleasure. >> Thank you, always fun. >> Alright keep it there everybody, Peter and I will be back to wrap up HPE Discover 2017 from Madrid, you're watching theCUBE. (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) >> Announcer: Live from Madrid, Spain it's The Cube, covering HPE Discover Madrid 2017. Brought to you by Hewlett-Packard Enterprise. >> Welcome back to Madrid, everyone. This is The Cube, the leader in live tech coverage. We're here, this is Day Two of of HPE Discover 2017. My name is Dave Vellante and I'm here with my co-host for the week Peter Burris. Ana Pinczuk is here, she's the Senior Vice President and General Manager of HPE Pointnext Group. >> That's right, that's right. >> Welcome back to The Cube. >> Glad to be here. >> Many time Cube alum. >> That's right, that's right. >> Pre-HPE and second time since, when did you start, in February? >> Yes, I know it's been nine months, I'm a veteran. >> You're a vet, right. (laughs) How's the gig going, you hitting your groove swing? >> Yes. >> Dave: Looked great up on stage yesterday. >> Thank you so much, yeah I appreciate it. Yeah I think we are, I came on board in February and it's been a run ever since. We launched a brand in February, so that's when I think when we sort of talked last. And then since then, we've just launched another brand which is HPE GreenLake for flexible consumption model stuff. And we've been doing a lot of great things, we've been doing partnerships with folks, I've been going out to each one of the regions talking to different customers, it's been going really well. >> Well so Pointnext has become a linchpin of HPE strategy. After the spin-merges, things became more clear when you talk about making hybrid IT simple, getting to the intelligent edge, services is now front and center. Meg talks about it, Antonio talks about it. >> That's right. >> Why is services so important and how do you see that scaling in the organization? >> So first of all, I definitely believe the world is turning to be a services-led world and I tell folks that it's really two things, it's services-led and then advisory-led, really advisory. And particularly because our customers want to really undergo these new digital journeys. I was just on stage talking to one of our customers, the Tottenham Hotspurs, and they're redoing their whole stadium and they're trying to increase the interaction and the engagement that they have with fans. So that's where services come in, and so we're really services-led that way and the second thing that's a phenomenon is really the cloud has really helped us learn to want everything instantaneously and to want things when we need them and when we think we need them. And so a lot of services is really about enabling those experiences in a consumption model. So that's the transformation I think that HPE is going through right now, just being a product company, but really moving to being services-led to deliver these digital experiences. >> Well one of the things that we've observed over the years, as folks who work with customers in thinking about their technology, is that there's a co-mingling, a bringing together of the idea of invention. And one of the things that's most attractive to me about a services-led, or acknowledging the role of services, is it really, innovation, is a two-part process. There's an invention, which is the engineering element, and enters the innovation, which is the social, the change. And one of the beauties of taking a services as opposed to a product approach, is that you end up focusing on the social change. >> That's right. >> You end up focusing on what does it mean to use this, apply it, make it happen, and it accelerates the innovation process. I'm wondering if by having a more services-approach, HP's able to look at this significant new range of problems you're going to try to address, but address them as a social innovation challenge as opposed to just getting product into market. >> Yeah, no and that's absolutely right. I'll give you another cool example, we have a customer Yoox Net-A-Porter, and they're a digital sort of online experience provider. They support brands like all of the expensive luxury brands that we know and love. And they're trying to help stores innovate, so let's say you're Prada or Marni or Louis Vuitton, they're helping provide a social experience to their luxury brand consumer. And being able to do that, not just mirroring what you would get in a store, but really innovating in how do you engage with that kind of a consumer online. And so for example, they allow you to shop online but then they'll bring the product to you, it'll be all wrapped really nice, they wait for you to try it on to make sure it's okay. So that's an example of social innovation, not just thinking about how to provide product to enable a website, but how do you actually then help a customer innovate in that whole engagement model? >> It's innovation that is made possible by a whole lot of technology combined with simple ways of introduce change, not just to consumers, but also the people who are ultimately responsible for providing that service. >> Ana: That's right, that's right, that's exactly right. >> Peter: Is that one of the basis then for thinking about Pointnext? >> It is, yeah, it is because people ask me, you know we've always done services and a lot of our services were product-attached services, you do support services, operational services, data center care, those sorts of things. And then we decided to sort of launch Pointnext, and the idea is that this is more than just what we've traditionally done as product-attached. This is really coming at it from a completely different angle, which is recognizing that there is an element of social and management of change that comes through digital. And that's why we talk about advisory-led. Part of that advisory-led is really helping companies figure out what is that new phenomenon, how do I actually shift the experience that I want to enable and how do I bring social innovation with a set of partners, too, because experiences really require us to work not just with our own products, but with software providers, with inside and others. >> Peter: And your customer's partners too. >> And our customer's partners as well, I mean who the customer is is shifting as we put this together. I'll give you an example, when we work with automotive companies, we've gotta think not just about, let's say, the car company and their connected car, but we also have to think about how the consumer of the car is going to interact with the IT environment in the car. >> How the dealers are going to sell it, >> Ana: And how the dealers are gonna sell it. >> how they're gonna make money, the whole thing. >> How they're gonna do predictive maintenance on it >> Exactly. >> So you start to think not just about one experience, but all the elements that come from that single experience. >> Well we just had Deloitte on talking about retail experiences and transforming brick and mortar stores, so that's a key part of it. So partnerships is also something critical, 'cause you can't do everything. >> Ana: That's right. >> So I want to come back to some of the invention piece. When you were up on stage talking about flexible consumption models, you know, cloud, when we went into the downturn it was kinda a tap on the shoulder. Coming out of the downturn it became a kick in the butt to a lot of tradtional IT players. So you've had to respond to that. And you have, flexible consumption models, pay-as-you-go models. So I started to make a list because we've been talking all week about two ends of the spectrum. We've got here at HPE Discover, AWS re:Invent's going on this week, completely different philosophies about what customers want and how to serve those customers. And so you've got to a great degree mimic the cloud experience. And you can't do it 100%. At the same time, the cloud can't mimic what you guys can do. So I kinda wanted to go through a list and think about where have you closed those gaps, where do you still have advantages for customers. So things like pay-as-you-go, flexible capacity, you've done a lot of work there. Can you give us the update on that and how big is that gap when you talk to customers? >> So first of all, it's interesting because when some of our competitors talk about pay-as-you-go, they start by talking about just a leasing arrangement. They say "Okay, it's a lease." And this is far beyond a lease. I think I can eliminate quite a few of our competitors, (laughs) not cloud competitors, just by saying we've gone beyond that, right. And we provide a full service. So it's the hardware, the software, the data center care, the operational management. And then we turn that service into a pay-as-you-go model. So that's the first sort of innovation and differentiation. And we do that on-prem or in a hosted environment, that's the first thing. The second thing is that part of what we do is we help to manage that environment for the customer. So in a flexible capacity model, we over-provision in a sense and we have a buffer and we understand where the customer's going, how much their utilization is, and then we automatically sort of manage that whole thing for them, up or down depending on what happens. I think the third thing, which is part of the innovation, which is a little different, is we also do the integration of other technologies into the offer. So yesterday I was talking about private backup as a service. There we've got the hardware, the software, it could be Commvault let's say backup software, all the management associated with that, including the support that you need for that, offered in an outcome-based service. So what we're doing there is we're also innovating in the metering, what we're saying is we're going to really provide you an outcome, and that outcome is a successful backup. So you don't actually have to worry about the equipment, you don't have to worry about is it infrastructure-as-a-service? You know, AWS, whatever, we're actually providing a full solution in an outcome-based. And I think that's a little bit of what differentiates us from maybe some of the solutions that are out there, from others. That said, I view this as providing the right mix to our customers, so although, yes, you can say that we're competing with the public cloud, because customers have choice, at the same time part of what we're trying to do also is bring those two together, which I think is unique for us. >> Makes more same philosophy, different approaches. >> Different approaches, and by the way, if you're customer-centric, then what you wanna do is provide customer choice and do the right thing for the customer, and to say where does it make sense to be on the public cloud, or in a private environment, and optimize for the customer benefits that you're going after. >> Well I think it's fair to say that the world has learned a lot from what AWS has done, and said "Hey, we can take that "and we can apply it to our customers' businesses "on-prem or in a hybrid environment." >> And by the way, AWS, especially with our CTP acquisition, they've been a long-term AWS partner and we're having conversations with AWS that say okay, if we're going to really focus on customers, and we're really customer-centric, then how do we work together? Not just AWS, but Microsoft and Google and others, how do we work together and look at where we can optimize our solutions to be able to do the right thing for the customer. >> So our clients are sick and tired of hearing me say this, or us say this, but we believe that where we're going is the cloud experience for your data demands. >> That's right. >> So the way we think about it and I'm wondering if you would agree, is that the first conversation we have with a customer is what's the outcome, what data is required to serve that outcome, how're you gonna package it up as a workload, and where do you naturally need to run that based on latency, other types of issues. Is that kind of how Pointnext is working with customers as well? >> Yeah absolutely right, so we wanna come in, customer in, so you wanna be able to say "What is it that you're trying to do from an outcome?" I described a backup outcome, another outcome might be I'm trying to accelerate my ability to roll out new agile solutions, or microservices-based applications. So we have that conversation with a customer, we then say okay, for that kind of workload, what are you requirements? What are you trying to do? We might also come in and actually, 'cause sometimes what people think they do and what they actually do in their environment is different. So we can come in and say okay, let me actually measure what you're doing and see what you're doing and then bring that information back to them. And then have a conversation about what to do with your workload and what makes sense. So I think it's a very close engagement with the customer, it's based on real data about what the customer's trying to do. And frankly that was one of the reasons that we made the CTP acquisition, as well, because it started to complement our portfolio. A lot of the capabilities that we had were very robust, in particular around private cloud, but just having the public cloud angle there and sort of strengthening that piece was super important to be able to have that conversation and truly enable the right mix. >> Well now that brings up the topic of multi-cloud, which kinda, to use a sports analogy, it's jump ball. It's kind of a free-for-all, everybody wants that business. I guess with the exception of some of the big cloud guys aren't interested. But certainly, Hewlett-Packard >> Peter: Well don't believe it, want to avoid it. >> Yeah well, but that's the reality is there's gonna be multiple clouds, we know this. Particularly with SaaS. So a company like Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, obviously has to play in that space. So I wonder if you could talk about the strategy there, why you feel confident that HPE is in a good position. >> Yeah well a couple things, first of all I think it's really good to be, we're somewhat independent, we're not totally independent because we've got a whole set of products, but we're somewhat independent in the sense that if we wanna be truly hybrid and enable other public and private solutions, we wanna be able to give customers choice in terms of the public domains that they can work with. And so we're sort of in a great position as a large provider and with the relations that we have in the enterprise in particular, with our customer base, to be a little bit of Switzerland and be able to say, okay, let's have that conversation about the right mix and enable these multi-cloud solutions, that's the first thing. The second thing is we have relationships and great partnerships with many of these providers. So take Microsoft, we've got an Azure relationship, an Azure stack opportunity, so we've got the ability and by the way, we do many of their applications as well. So we've got the ability to help have that conversation with our customers to say okay, do you wanna be on-prem or do you wanna be in the cloud? Even with one provider, and to do that, and so we have the opportunity to provide robust solutions even with one private and public provider. And on top of that, we've got a consultancy with our professional services. We wanna be responsive to our customers, we've got now HPE OneSphere. And with HPE OneSphere we can be data-driven and actually provide our customers a view of their environment and help to be a little bit of that Switzerland to say look, here's what would be best for you and help to have workload mobility together with OneSphere. So I think we're well-positioned, I tend to call it my stairway to Heaven. In a sense we start out at the bottom talking about infrastructure and support, and we've got great relationships there with our customers. If I launch the flexible capacity offers, we're starting to deliver outcome-based solutions. When I bring in CTP, we'd go up the stack and we now provide advisory and the consumption solutions. And with OneSphere now you go up the stacks just a little bit more and say not only are we gonna advise you and provide you those executables with consumption models, but we now have capabilities that allow you to sort of optimally choose what's the right thing for you. So I think we're well-positioned, by the way, with CTP we've got sort of a managed, sort of cloud sort of capability as well. We manage compliance and other elements. So we're able to have in our portfolio sort of value-added services above and beyond that help with multi-cloud and making sure that customers can be compliant, secure, and have the right experience on a multi-cloud environment. >> Yeah I think a lot of people that don't know CTP don't understand how deep their expertise is. They're only a few hundred people, if that. But they're rockstars. >> They're over 200 people. >> Serious thought leaders with real deep connections. I've gotta change subjects to the last topic area. As you know, The Cube from day one has always been a fan of having women on, and promoting women in tech. We first met you at the Anita Borg Institute of the Grace Hopper Conference. Meg Whitman is obviously a woman leader in tech and she's leaving HP. We've got Meg and we've got Ginni. And Ginni's coming to the end, I don't know, she's getting to the age where typically IBM retires its CEOs. You've got two prominent women in tech now leaving. Now maybe IMB will replace Ginni with a woman. HPE has chosen Antonio, great choice. But your thoughts on a leader like Meg, obviously has done some great work. But we're losing one. >> I know, and so >> How do you feel about that? >> I mean, you know, I'm very conflicted if I've gotta be honest. One one hand, as I joined HPE I had never worked for a female CEO so I've really enjoyed watching. You know it's always great to have mentors and to have people that are advocating for women, so I really enjoyed being part of Meg's organization, I'm really sorry to see her go. And she's an icon as well, so she does a lot, in fact this afternoon we're gonna be doing a session for women just here at the conference. So very sad to see her go, at the same time I think we as women, and men by the way, have a responsibility to build the next generation of leaders. And I think that's where I focus my energy and I know that I'm gonna be sort of a high profile female in the HPE environment so I feel that sense of responsibility, not just within HPE, but within the industry, to help to cultivate an environment that takes advantage of half of the population and enables innovation through them as well. So I think we've gotta get more women up there. I think part of it is really bringing up the next generation and frankly this next generation, they don't have tolerance for waiting for things, whatever, and they feel like they're super entitled to have the right and the choice >> Peter: They are. >> And they are, right. But that seems like an easy thing to say, but in some sense we come from a generation, many women as well, which have had challenges especially in the tech world, in terms of really breaking that glass ceiling. And I think we've got some amazing women and some amazing leaders as well. I'm part of the Anita Borg Board of Trustees as well, and we were at Grace Hopper and we had Debbie Sterling, some really great women that are coming up the ranks that are CEOs, that are CTOs, that are really leading the way and so I'm very hopeful that the conversation, by the way, about women in tech is really prominent right now. And that I think it'll open up opportunities for women to shine going forward and I think that should happen for HPE as well. In fact right now its me and then Archie Deskus is the CIO for HPE. So we're trying to do our part to sort of make sure that there's other women in leadership as well. >> Well you're a great example of a current and future leader. >> Thank you so much. >> Really appreciate you coming onto The Cube, Ana. >> I appreciate it, thank you. >> Great to see you again. >> Great to see you, great to see you, thank you so much. >> Alright keep it right there everyone. This is The Cube, we're live from HPE Discover Madrid, we'll be right back. 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>> Announcer: Live from Madrid, Spain. It's theCUBE. Covering HB Discover Madrid 2017. Brought to you by Hewlett-Packard Enterprise. >> Welcome back to Madrid everybody. This is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. We're here, day one of HPE Discover Madrid. HP's European show, I'm Dave Vellante with my co-host Peter Burris. Said Syed is here. He's the director of Software-Defined and Cloud Group at Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, and he's joined by Katreena Mullican, who is a senior architect and cloud whisperer at HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotech. Folks, welcome to theCUBE, thanks for coming on. >> Happy to be here. >> Great to be here, thanks. So Said, we're very excited about this new developer initiative that you're leading. After the Spin merge, lot of software chops and developer communities went, but Hewlett-Packard Enterprise committed to developers, so tell us about this new initiative. >> Yeah, absolutely, so we're launching this community next week at QCon, and it is a pan-HP program which enables all of the different developers that are already out there. We already have thriving communities, they were just individual and ad hoc, and we'll put them under the pan-HP developer community umbrella where developers can congregate with HPE developers and partners, ISVs like Mesosphere and others, and talk about how we can fix their problems, and they can help us get better at what we do. >> So, Katreena, I think dog whisperer, horse whisperer, they can tame my animals. Cloud whisperer, can you help me tame my cloud? What is a cloud whisperer? >> Sure, what I do is wrap my head around all of the different cloud architectures available for both private and public cloud, and research those, figure out quickly which ones can benefit HudsonAlpha and the type of research that we do with genomics, and put all the right pieces together. Make a solution out of it that's secure and available 24/7, 365. >> So tell us a little bit more about HudsonAlpha. >> So HudsonAlpha is a non-profit institute. We are an organization of entrepreneurs, scientists and educators, who are applying genomics to everyday life. We collaborate on our 150 acre campus in Huntsville, Alabama with 40 affiliate companies. So it really is an effort to come together between scientists and researchers, and IT. >> And you really can't talk about cloud without talking about developers, so from a developer's perspective what do you want from the guys who are providing infrastructure hardware and software? >> Well, we have turned our IT department into developers, and I think that's something that not everyone does, and I think it's an important first step to being able to really leverage the type of infrastructure that HPE offers. We have composible infrastructure in our data center. We have hyper-converged infrastructure. We have storage, we have all these different pieces that we are able to provision automatically and fluidly, rapidly, with API, which requires developer mindset, right? Not your traditional system administration, just keep an eye on a server. It's not like that any more, and I think it's really important that IT embraces developer practices and dev ops. And we're actually doing that at the hardware level, as well as then, right, you prep that foundation, so that your developer teams, your software developer teams can then build on it, too. >> I think this is a crucially important step for virtually every CIO to think about, and let me explain what I mean as quickly as I can. Every CIO says, "What am I going to do with my infrastructure people?" Analysts like us always say, "Oh, liberate your people to go solve problems." But having infrastructure people at least start thinking, acting like, imagining like developers is a step that allows you to solve near-term problems, and get them on the path to really using a developer mindset or developer problem-solving skills that may, in fact, help the business in other ways in the future. What do you think about that? >> Right, I think it is asking the IT traditional roles to step up, and learn a new skill set, which is not easy. It's an investment of time and resources, but well worth the effort. I think if you do not do that and expand your skill set, you will not be able to leverage these solutions that are out there. Or you'll just be using them kind of out of the box, which they'll work out of the box, but is that really what they're capable of doing? >> So how long did this take, to go through this transition at HudsonAlpha? >> Well, I've been with HudsonAlpha for two years, and from the moment that I arrived, we have a very small IT department, just a handful of people, so from the moment that I arrived, we just architect the job description that way, right? We write into the job description, "Welcome to IT. "By the way, you're a dev op software engineer now. "You're an infrastructure administrator. "You need to understand software to find networking." All of these pieces are expected, and it can be a lot of work to learn that on the side, but well worth it, yeah. >> Absolutely, absolutely, and I can tell you HudsonAlpha obviously is ahead of its time in terms of things that they are doing, 'cause trying to organize your workforce around software development mindset versus infrastructure administration mindset, it's a huge ordeal. But the way they have done it, is actually, I'm very happy to partner with them on this thing. >> So Said, how are you going to sort of measure success of this initiative? What are your objectives and what should we be looking for over the next 12, 18 months? >> Yeah, so our measure of success is how many developers are joining the community, and actually active. 'Cause people can join but if they're not active it's not really worth their time, right? So developers getting active on our slat channels, which we have all integrated into a platform, and then on our side, our developers, and our R-and-D guys are actually going to be collaborating directly with our users, the developers, you know, people like Katreena and others. And so measure of success is going to be how many problems we're able to solve, how much contribution people like Katreena are going to have on the platform itself, and what type of contribution, what type of API integration we're good doing, those are the kind of things we're looking for in short term. How many HP platform, how many, number of SDKs, number of blogs, those kinds of things, right? So those are the kind of analytics that we're going to actually follow through over the next 12 to 18 months. The idea needs to be every software platform, or every software solution that we launch, like OneSphere, it will be API-driven right from the start. And partner-driven, and developer-centric, right from the start. That's our idea of how we measure success here. >> Okay, we got to go, but Katreena, we'll give you the last word. What are you looking for, how will you measure success of this initiative? >> Well, success for us are completed projects and saving lives, literally. That's the wonderful thing about working at HudsonAlpha. It's very measurable in the amount of compute that we can accomplish, and storage that we can provision, and keep up the environment for the researchers, so-- >> Great, excellent. Well, have a great rest of Discover. Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE, appreciate it. >> Thank you, all right, bye-bye. >> You're welcome, all right, keep it right there, buddy. We'll be back with our next guest right after this short break. (electronica flourish)