>> Produced from the Cube studios. This's strong by science, in depth conversations about science based training, sports performance and all things health and wellness. Here's your hose, Max Marzo. I'm with >> the one and only Cory Slush Inger Cory is the director of men's sorry, director of performance from men's basketball at Stanford University. Good friend of mine, extremely passionate human. And for those you don't know former college basketball Hooper Corey really happened. Happy on a day to thank you for being here. >> No, man, it's an absolute pleasure. Me, Max. It's It's kind of crazy how our relationship has evolved throughout the years. Ah, start with Diem. You know, that's how it usually goes, the way your T shirt and he's got hair. So I wish I was that God, like I got it down here, but I got it out talk. So don't worry, Max. I'm going to make you a T shirt and I'm sending Teo. You said >> make a T shirt. I >> will wear >> until you plant cast with you again. >> Be careful with the pick. Might be >> way careful with that. Wait. Speaking of that, Corey, I mean, before we went on air here, you have a little story about your beard. And not to say you're only known for the beard, but the beer definitely is a staple in the slashing. Your appearance give me back for that. I want to hear it, and they will dive into some of the science. >> Yeah, man. So as far as the beard, I mean, it started at you. Maybe we're on a Spanish tour went overseas, and I did. One of those crazy handlebar mustache is right. I mean, it was gnarly, but being overseas just didn't shave, right? I mean, we're there for almost a week and a half, and I just started growing out the stubble. And then people are like, keep it going. And so I kept going and we were winning a lot of games. And then we end up winning a championship. And so it became like the tournament beard or became like the season beard. And so I just kept rolling it from there, and yeah, that's that's kind of where the beard is stated for now. And then when I realized, like if I could, it almost looks like a cancer patient. So I needed a key because he's blond eyebrows, man from five feet away. It looks like I'm ball period like I can't grow here. So, yeah, that's where the beard states is at this point. >> Well, Iet's fifty. I'm getting mine going. I'm not going to your caliber. I keep it trimmed, but it makes me feel like I'm a scientist or something. If I have a beard, makes you more intelligent, but getting off the topic here. When it comes to developing anybody, people say, you know, athletes, athletes, athletes athletes are what zero point zero zero one percent of population when it comes to developing anybody at all. We got talking about the bass aspects of human movement human development. You have an interesting take on this, and I don't want to spoil it for the listeners. I'd rather have you say it first, cause I'll just bastardized and screw it up. You're going to take on developing anybody regardless if they're an athlete or just general population, >> right? I mean, if you look through human evolution one or two things that we used to do, I used to farm. We used to kill things with our hands. We used to climb, you know, we used to throw things, you know? I mean, look at the the early Olympics, right? I mean, that's basically what the events wass. He wrestled someone. You ran faster than someone. You ran further than someone, and you threw some things. I and basically that's what human capacity is. So my goal before we actually trained them to be better athletes, is to make them better humans first, because if I can express their ability to be a better human, then they will be able to express their ability to be a better athlete. >> Joshua and with those movements, selections. If you have unique choice food people who don't follow up Instagram better weigh on your instagram handle at the end. But the selections of exercises you pick, it's not traditional a sense. Let's load a bar up. Let's do a hand claim you really take ownership of different shaped objects for that way, whether it be a yoke, whether it be a kettle bell, how do you come up with the most movements? Elections? What goes into that decision making? And for any individual out there, whether they are fast ball player who's seven one or a guy who's five eight, how do you decide which of those implements are best fitted for you? >> Well, everything that shaped the way I believe is one hundred ten percent based off my environment. And look, I played college basketball. Don't look at my stats. I was not that good, but I trained in or I've played with, and now for ten years I've trained that basketball athletic population, so you can imagine with me. Okay, I'm five foot ten. Very average, at best, especially with my links, man. Now imagine six foot six, but a seven foot two weeks man and all those things that I was good at, clean snatched jerk. You know, I was a purist in the beginning. I mean, of course I was right. I was just learning what strength iss How to be strong. Now, I'm trying to imagine further. Like, how do I have impact? How do I have quote unquote transfer? What? I'm trying to load these freaks. I mean, these guys are not normal human beings, right? They got seven foot two wings fans and short torso, so their levers are crazy. So now I'm asking them to do the same things that got me strong. Being at five. Ten, it just doesn't make much sense to me now, Not saying they don't have the capacity to do it mean help. Be honest with you. Some of my best weightlifters actually been seven foot tall, But that being said, if there's a way I can load them, that makes a lot more sense. That's easy to teach. I could do it often, and it's right in their comfort zone now, not comfort as in like we're not training hard, but like in their center of mass, where they can actually manipulate loads heavy loads at that with decent speeds. Then, yeah, I'm going to do that. So, for instance, we look at a bar bell, clean snatches all good. Why can't we do the same intent with a trap door? I mean, we could still pull. We could still triple extend and then we can still catch in that power position. The only thing that changes is the complexity of the movement. Now I'm not manipulating myself around a straight bar bell. It's in my centre of mass. And now I, Khun Express quote unquote force. Ah, lot more efficient, Effective. So now I can load it more loaded faster and do less teaching. Yeah, I do that. That makes a lot of things So that's really what it came from. And then to be honest with you, But how do you experience that light? How do you know a seven foot feels like? How do you know? And so you know, I've dabbled town some ways too. Open up my consciousness, if you will, to allow me to feel that ord, allow the imagination, my creativity to tryto understand what that could feel like. And then, of course, obviously feedback from my athletes. But I mean, why you always see, like the old school dues were just like, Oh, this is weak. This is squad. We we box what we what do we do? Whatever to get strong. But it's like, you know, it makes sense. If you're five foot six, it doesn't make much sense if your seven foot tall so you've got a truly find ways to experience it yourself. And now by the means that you do that probably not going to talk about on this podcast. But the way I did it work. >> Yeah, well, we'll refrain from diving that specific. I'd appreciate it on because to each his own one of the things you mentioned like talking about Hooper's I played basketball. I played your Batch three point shooter. Anyone's listening, too, By the way, when my feet are set, I'm not. I'm not an athlete, but I could shoot the shit out of basketball. I'LL be very blunt with you. I've >> been on the receiving end of that on one of our own game. You don't have to talk when you busted my ask way >> down to like. A lot of basketball players are bad movers, and what I mean by that it's their very good when you put a ball in their hands. That is something you talked about, too. But when you get them in a dance room right there, a lot different than football players and I mean by that is you don't see a bad end zone celebration, right? Want touchdown dances look really good, Odell Beckham being very soon and a lot of it's because those patterns are done without a ball in their hand. This is my opinion and they're very primal and natural with a minute and basketball everything's doing the ball in their hand and then when they start to move, especially because they're developing this, you starts. We're like a third rate. Now they have to only play basketball. And typically you don't play football and basketball, especially football. The high level, because you know you prepping for the basketball season itself. >> You get that deal in Scotland. Shit, bro, >> You have to play basketball for every waking hour the next fifteen years to get there. I'm kidding, but I'm thinking about my head is we're not exposed to those different movement. Parents were stuck in this ninety foot unless you're how light is forty six feet, something like that with court that really constrains how we move. And then you put someone in a waiting room where all the son of dealing with external loads and very unique movement patterns you get guys who just looked walking and I think you talked about this on different podcast, but I want to get into a little bit. Here was, I think so. That stems from our coaching of a young athletes and our physical education that we no longer does. Have we used to have back in the day and how that's really affecting athletes as they get older. >> I couldn't agree more. I mean, I get these quote unquote specialized athletes. And to be honest with you, I don't have athletes like I have guys who have a basketball in their hand. They got really long levers and they have some skill, right? They have some skill to be able to go from point A to point B and put on orange round ball into a cellar. That's that's so happen to be ten foot off the ground. That's what I have. I don't have a true athlete who can pick things up off the floor who could sit down on the floor and stand up, who can throw things who can sprint, who could jump onto things. I mean, some of the best vertical jumps that you see in basketball are not even close to what you would see in football and track and field. When you think this is a sport with the high flyers counter movement, jump hands on hips averages that I've seen on teams eighteen inches and everybody is like Oh, that's terrible But that's a true counter movement jump with long levers. So now if we add some momentum to that and add a seven foot two wingspan and then all of a sudden their elbows above the ramp. Right? So that's the difference we get. We see this a NRI or this false thought, or this false vision of what athleticism is because they're so long. But in reality. And then you put a bunch of cornerbacks out there that would be really special to see, because these are guys that are like five foot ten and the most explosive fast dude you've ever seen. There's don't have the skill to play basketball. So you know, with the way we are, physical education is set up now, obviously has been chopped in half, half, half so no more education. Physical education is what we get to. They only play one sport. They sit in chairs that they're not really made to be. They live in this wart western society where every chair they sit in Is that it? His ninety, which for them is more like this, right? And then they get up and down on these beds that their feet are hanging off of. So I don't know what sleep looks like for that. And if you saw my guys get on an airplane, a commercial airplane, you would be cringing the entire time because they're literally bundled up like this. And so not on ly. Are we trying to correct childhood development? I'm trying to correct what they deal with on a daily basis. Just walking the class. We watching my guys duck through door frames constantly. It is like some some of them are guards and they're ducking through frames. And you're just like I don't know how you've made it this far without knocking yourself out. So there's so many that it's really all about the environment and her. When I've trained my athletes, it's all about giving them the environment they have never had. So that's why we utilize the resting room. The gymnastics room. It's soft had so they know, so they don't necessarily fear the ground. They don't fear their interactions gravity. So now I'm giving them the ability to learn how to change levels. You know, little guys. So I don't see six foot ten guys wrestling, right? So I have an opportunity. Now they learn how to interact and change levels, and then even more so you put somebody with them. So now we're like pushing and pulling, just like you see in football. So now they know where they put their feet. So now we're not stepping on feet constantly looking. I mean, God, Hey, these guys are like because sixteen seventeen shoes like, of course, I'm going to step on each other's speed. But if they have that awareness in that sense of where other people are, then maybe they don't make that misstep. Or maybe they get their self out of harm's way and then even more so just learning how to fall. They learn how to fall properly from standing toe floor transitions. Then, when they jumped through the air at forty two inch words, whatever you see, that's make believe for you. Switch vertical right word, but and then they get hit in the air, and now they've got to figure out the most effective way. Not the break there. Nash. Well, most of the guys are going to do everything they can to stay on their feet. Well, that's where you want to get blown out, right? So now if I can give them a tumbling strategy, so now that they can interact with the floor a lot more smoother, athletic, well, then maybe they have a chance to not get hurt and be be back in the action, right? So it's performance enhancing as well as injury mitigation. >> I >> know that. I mean, I don't know where to begin. I have about nine comments off that. First. I love the idea of talking about how these guys are living in a world built for some one, five, ten. I'm six two and Kelsey, my girlfriend. But, hey, can you reach above and grab the top? Can apostle whatever I'm like? Yeah, Okay. But you look at a guy until you actually play hoops. I think, and really appreciate how big these dudes are. You play. It's a guy who's seven one. You look at him and go, Oh, my gosh, like that's at a different human. And then you know his shoe size next to you and you shake his hand and you get to the other side of his hand. You start to understand, like, who we dealing with here, right? You look at these, you know the body needs to heal when it goes into a stress or whatever, and we're putting these guys in positions that the body would not otherwise deem for recovery right now, like this call. Time out. Is that the funniest thing? MBA timeouts. Aside from LeBron James, that's got the nine foot chair right? These guys come out and these will stools that are too small for meaning, and >> so they're not really >> rusting. And you got a dude who's trying to recover his heart rate, but really the whole time, he's in a hip flexion. He's never been in the past, you know, thirty years, right? And if you're thinking about really taking care of an athlete, we spend so much time in the weight room and all this great stuff we can do. So Muchmore. If we had a liberty, too, I use we usually more like you, um, to you, then develop an environment that conducive to them. I know University. Kentucky did that. If you look at their dorm rooms, they had ESPN going on two years ago when they built at the new facility. For the basketball players, the sinks were higher, the magical tired, they were longer. And if you ever wash a guy who's seven foot dragging on the water fountain, I mean the amount of spinal flexion he has to go under. It's ridiculous. The guy's curling up in a C. And I mean, that's crazy to think about because the whole time on the way we were talking about how do we get these guys in a position that they can function successfully? And right now it's like optimally because obviously would have been something we did fifteen years ago to get in a position, right? But how do we get them to be successful? So I pose the question to your court. I'm gonna give you the keys to the castle. The kingdom. Okay, Philip, um, maybe not the whole environment. But there's three things you like to change the outside of the weight room that you had the crystal ball and you could go either back in time more just socially. Okay. I want to change his guys. You know, the size of his car. You know that the chair he sits and we're three things that you pick and dio >> number one. I would get them involved and dance or martial arts as their first sport. That would be probably number one so or gymnastics something. I don't care how tall you are like Who cares if you're not trying Win a gold medal at three, Right? Is just learning how to do those things right? Understanding your body number two. I would change how physical education is and in western society, um, and then number three. Let's give you something actual physical number three. If I could make what? I >> got some for you. Well, you're thinking, OK, I got you want to think your third for me? Basketball players eat horribly. You're so single, teacher. Yeah, basketball players, at least by team. And I will make this universal blanket statement. They just don't like to eat for some reason. Right? Who for? Three hours and drinking game and call it good. And I don't get it like I have a fat ass. My play. I gained weight in season. Really? Team he'll know what a food I take over which you're pulling their postgame meals. And that's when they remove the snack girl. Remember the snack role when, uh, >> you know, you have todo I had Taco Bell, bro. Like we won. We got talking about, you know? So I asked the level Appalachia, which we suck. >> I think I'm going to go a little. Can't you apologize? We're going to go play and that's a D three hoops. That's finest. We're rolling to a game. It's up north took a four hour drive and we stopped at the rude crib an hour and a half before taking a corner booth buffet of ribs. They got a bunch of island boys here. The rib crib you bring up platters were basically, you know, and capacity. And when they get like five points because our center had to pull out the throat at halftime. >> Yeah, it is. Did you ever have to drive the team ban? Because I have ways in the backseat in the bag who thought that was, like level once again, level athlete, that unreal. But I would say that the third thing Don't be wrong. Yes, food. But if there's a way, I mean, if there's a truly economical way across the board to just look, it got health, we could do that, don't care. But I can change your environment that could change your internal environment and will, And the number one is if I can just poof your gut and I can look at everything, then that will be the number one, because just a little moving world. But I don't know how you're absorbing it. I don't know what's going on. And then you wantto talk about these kids that you know, a phD or these kids that are super restless. Well, I think it starts with the gut, because if you're got health sucks, so does this. So that would be the third thing. >> No, that's crazy That way. May I have a little bit of experience is our company. I don't deal with the actual read now that the things I've learned and seeing the idea of taking that integrated approach. So hey, let's actually look at your stomach. Yes, you have to collect your poop three times a day, and I'm sorry. If you're going to do that, you can start to look at what you produced and way of excreting and whether or not you're absorbing what you need to absorb. And we start looking at injuries and no tendon, health and muscle tissue, everything as a holistic approach. What? We gotta look at the internal environment if any of our environments messed up inside and we're trying to impose a stressor on the body. But we have no idea what the internal systems like, and you have certain deficiencies or certain aspects that your lack and these were certain areas where it again people go, Oh, that's not scientific. There's no study. Well, unfortunately, if you understand complex systems and their dynamic interactions and not to get too detail, I'Ll explain it as simple as I can. But what happens is we have an outcome like a strange angle, and we say, Oh, and go weak angle get hurt, right? Well, kind of grooming. Or maybe it's ankle week. That's a risk factor. Athlete didn't sleep enough the past three nights. Risk factor Athlete had some sort of physical contact during the game. That critter there system risk factor athlete. Nutritionally, it wasn't recovering from previous workouts and games. Risk factors so happens of all these risk factors, and that's just a very there's no all the risk factors. A lot involved, all but these risk factors come about and then we have the probabilistic nature of something toe happen. So oh, how likely is it that something bad will go wrong and we see the last straw on the camel's back sprain an ankle and we go a week. But maybe it's didn't sleep enough Ankle week. All this other stuff and that ankle sprain. For people interested in complex systems, it's called an emergent pattern. So there's a common pattern that occurs when you have things go wrong. So if the money C l it's like, Oh, gluten medias is weak knee Val Agus. All right, you're a muscular control all these things that go into and nothing can pinpoint it. So if we're including these bomber, you know about mechanical factors and Eve Alvis, why aren't we including some internal factors like gut health Or, you know, the blood wood for the micro nutrient efficient season? Yes, I know I'm not versed enough to speak on micronutrient deficiencies and our interactions off, you know, health and whatnot. But something as simple as college in environments haven't adequate vitamin C for, you know, ten and healing instead of, you know, repair is obviously a factor. And so when we start looking the bottom, we gotta look at the big picture. It's not just how your knee bends. It's not how you shoot a jump shot. It's not how you land every time. >> Where are you? Our body is so much more resilient and durable than you. Give it credit for me. We've survived as a species. We're a very long time. You're very harsh conditions and you're going to tell me it's that one jump that got you one job. One job is the one that Oh, that needs a little dalliance. That's the one that got you. I mean, if you super slow mo A lot of these great expressions of physical capacity in sport it was you would be like, Oh, my God, they're neither this there that But in reality, like that's I'm close to the reason why they like break or don't Break. And Jordan shallow, brilliant dude, He gave me this metaphor. He was saying to Philip, a pond, Well, it's like this fungus that will Philip a pond and it doubles its size every day. So if it starts off it like, you know, point two, then the next day be point for and he asked me, he's like, Okay, if it's going to Philip in thirty days, Philip, the whole pond, What's the day? It's half full. Then I thought for a second it took me a lot longer than I should have thought about it. But he's like, but he an injection goes day twenty nine. I >> don't want an answer, by the way. >> Yeah, was like Day twenty nine I. That's why I look at the human body like that is literally the last thing and then pull. And so it's all these. We could have had all these interventions from day to today twenty eight or day twenty nine. Even the notes that one just last. Ah, strong. The camel's back to just there goes, you know, And that's what's great about being in the collegiate setting. And being a Stanford is we have a lot of safety nets for our safety, and that's if you will. So we try to have as many quote unquote KP eyes and objective measurements to give us an idea of what could possibly happen. But in reality, it's still the dynamic environment, so I don't understand. Like I can't account for school. I can't account for their sleep. I mean, we could through, like, grouper or or whatever, but it's not realistic and thine and are setting and in their gut hell's like way picking up poop. Three times a day. They were not drawn blood once. We're not doing these things. So unless we're doing that, then you're just trying to create most resilient, durable human beings so they can withstand the stressors some more than others. But hopefully have a successful season. >> No, that's like I hate to break it to people. We don't know what we're doing. We're doing our best. I think chase Wells with him. A Stanford. Get a great line, he said. We can't guarantee success. We can almost guarantee you're not guaranteed to fail. And what I mean by that is that you can't always KP eyes and really, we're looking at. If you jump nine inches, we're probably not going to be very good basketball unless you're seven. No, right. And so we're looking at the human system as a means of understanding what is going on really lagged behind in regards to your performance assessment and what might be hindering you in regards to launch into no tracking? Can I get a little bit of data? A lot? The way explain it is kind of like I don't ask my girlfriend Kelsey, how she's doing. Once a week, you know. I asked her every day and why I asked that every day is to realize, you know, all my clothes that I left out pissing her off. You know, I did. I forget that we're supposed to go on a date last night. You know, I might not have forgot a wallet last night. We went to dinner from now on, Accent, all supposed to buy. But that's a true story. WeII >> brought up. I mean, that's the most important thing is you gotta have feedback daily, right? And wait here. It's really simple. We take a controlled environment, do some things in it before they go into a dynamic environment, which is basketball games of basketball practice. So what we do is we call that microdot. It's our way of training. Every day, in some form or fashion, these individuals come into their work, their human capacity, a Siri's, if you will. Then after that, they go into their B series, which is complex. This is really what I know what's going on. I don't get me wrong when they walk in to get their weight, are joking or making eye contact and get that handshake. How firm is that handshake thes air, All the quantitative things that I'm trying to pick up as they're coming through the door. Then you watch them say We're hitting clean, complex and they're going through the motions and their consulate changing grip or or the pool isn't looking too good, and any sharp today will boom. That's my control Now. It's not the most objective feedback, but at least it's a constant. And so that's my way of having once against safety nets from a safety nets and then weekly or depending on how many games we have that we do, our force plate jumps. So once again, another safety net, and then we have our connects on day. So our GPS data that they do on the practice gym once again any one of those in isolation doesn't tell me much. But if I have a bunch of them, then I can at least paint a better picture from quantitative qualitative, and then I can go and knit. Pick what I think they're intervention may need to be, and so it's not going to be perfect, not even close, but as long as you have a constant and yours is beautiful. Like you said, Just something simple. You get daily. Hey, how are you doing? And you know how they express that. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm cool. I'm great. Like, you know, what there was in flux is are like, you know what? They're how they're truly feeling. Just based off that one question alone. But once again, if you can set up your system or your program or whatever toe have safety nets for your safety nets, then I think you can You can catch a >> lot of those along the way. >> Yeah. No, that makes sense. It's how you provide context to a situation. And the more information that we can apply that we didn't classifier more to a system like jumping is, you know, your lower body strength and your verbal expressions, your most emotional state on DH, maybe even sweep or other things that go into that, the more we could understand what's actually happening to the person. So I was kind of really bad for a second. You said some of micro dose in and term overdose. You refer into training a little bit often. Yep. And Corey is well known for this and for those at home listening, I'm going to my best to explain it. Short weeks. I got a question off of it. If you know, explains it will stay here for another hour and a half because great to listen to. But I want Teo a little bit of a different direction off of athletics about it. Firstly, micro doses the idea that we're applying a moderate level toe, low level stressor consistently, and that adaptation occurs from the aggravation off those dresses over a period of time. So we're never going to Hi, we're never going to low. And the idea is that training in the weight room is only one small piece of your life. They even programmed High Day, and you don't sleep that night or you have emotional stressor for your case, your practice. Then all of a sudden, that high, big, magnified and starts spilling over the bar and becomes too much the idea of micro dozing, especially a non controlled external environment where it's called life, and we're trying to apply enough that you can handle. If someone's feeling good, then they can push a little bit that they themselves. Now My question for you, Cory, is I love an athletic sense. I also see it being very applicable to anyone out there general population and especially in terms of I got two things. Us too. In terms of one, someone learned a movement. You get a chance to do it often and daily and someone who wants to learn how to be in the weight room. And secondly, because there are, let's say we do it eight out of ten days. If you only miss one day, you're only missing ten percent of your entire workout, right? So instead of doing looking at this whole one workout one day, you look at like a ten day period. If you got eight days of pick from and you just can't do one, you only missed ten percent versus if you only had five days of pick one and you miss one, you missed twenty percent, right? And so now we have the ability to be more flexible in our environment. So how does that fit in like a general population? If it was my dad or my girlfriend trying to learn howto use some of this micro dose in the weight room. How do you plan? >> So one hundred percent with micro dozing. The reason why it came about was it was a solution to a problem. My problem is I don't have enough exposure to my guys. So how do I create more training frequency? And now we got rid of warm up something that was just kind of getting them ready for practice. That kind of don't care about it. The coach hated seen me do it. I personally hated doing it. So now it was a solution. What it turned into was motor learning. Now you want to learn how to train, will do it all the time. So that's where complex comes in. It's the value of orcs work, right? So basically, you take a bar bill and you do every movement that you would do in a weight room, in some sense, in one set, so you'd hinge You do a hip flexion. You do a press, do a pool. If I break down each one of those into isolation, it would look like already else Squad, Polish, military, press or row, those air all movements that you would do and if you separated each exercise in an isolation you would go more resistance on, just like you would see in general fitness, right? Like we're going to do three sets of ten on bench press or three sets a tent on back squad. Well, that's great. How about we just put it all in one and now we have more exposure. So now I'm learning how to do the movements, and then you can't tell me that doing one thing once a week is actually going to make you learn the movement. So now you learn those little small video sequences that you see with thirty year experience power lifters who truly understand, like, move from body, this foot stance, or this is how I start to hinge here within my squat X degree. And that's how they perfected is because they have so much exposure to it. So we're doing the same thing. We're just trying to create exposure at lower thresholds and and in doing it often now as faras general population, what's the number one concern? But I don't have enough time. Oh, really? You don't have a thirty minute today, twenty to thirty minutes a day to not kind ofwork. Now. Every day I call B s. I say You just don't want to train. So that's where my producing to me is beautiful in the general population is because it's living the way you start your day. It's lunch, or it's when you get off work. Perfect. You can pick any of those three slots twenty, thirty minutes. You can eat and shower and get backto work or before work. So you can't tell me that everybody doesn't have that situation. So now, creating training frequency, you're getting enough volume throughout the week. Now we have on and then most importantly, like you brought up if I just had to miss that one day, it's ten percent of my training like it's not well, only train twice a week, So fifty percent of my training is gone. So that's where I think it's beautiful. And that's where he could work from general population to the most elite athletes in the world and the reason why I say the most elite athletes in the world because I just so happen to train to of So I do it with all these populations

(upbeat music) >> Live, from Miami Beach, Florida, it's theCUBE, covering UiPath Forward Americas. Brought to you by UiPath. >> Welcome back to the former home of Lebron James, I'm Dave Vellante, this is two minimum, we are here at South Beach at the hotel Fontainebleau. This is UiPath Forward Americas, and this is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage Leo Da Silva is here, he is the process excellent leader for Best Day Travel and Arnold Schiemann who's Vice President of Latin America and Spain. You get to go to all the fun places for Symphony. Welcome to theCUBE >> Thank you, thank you guys for your invitation >> You're very welcome, Leo let's start with you Best Day Travel, travel site, specializing in Mexico and other parts of the region tell us about the company >> Well, we have a leadership in Mexico we are, the last year we have five point four million travelers, okay? And there's a lot of people, okay? We've been in the business for 35 years, 34 years actually, okay? So, we're pretty solid, okay? While 75% of the all the transactions we have online, okay? And 25% we have offline, and that's why we're doing, all the transformation that we're doing is under this 25%, alright? Like, just to get the additional transformation and everything. >> So 35 years, so you started before the internet (Leo laughing) >> So I guess you should be 100% offline you obviously successfully made that transition. >> That's correct, that's correct. >> Okay, and Arnold, Symphony is the solution provider right? the implementation partner in this case, right? tell us about symphony and your role. >> Well, Symphony is probably the is particularly, suddenly concentrated on our PA management and our PA design, and our PA process rewardization. We were invited by Best Day Travel Group to look at the process, to look at the project and we embark in a very interesting transformation for them, so that they could move into their PA arena with a clear road map. >> So you guys are both process experts I mean that's, >> Yes >> You've got process in your title talk more about your role, if you would. >> Yeah, well, I'm a green belt, okay? And at least six sigma, and we use this methodology actually, and we are like, two years ago we implemented like a BPM, the department, you know inside the company, just to lead this transformation, okay? So that's what we're seeking right now to lead this transformation and, it's a very good challenge, you know? It's not easy, but we are trying to do our best. >> With your six sigma background, I think it would really tie right into what RPA is, 'cause you can really understand what has variance, and what is pretty standardized and that would seem is that the direct correlation with thing that you can have, the robot and the automation based on, really, the variance piece? >> Yes, totally, you know, well, when you start, all the implementation was right before where start you like to do a benchmark and you're able to see which technology we wanted to use and well, we found UiPath, alright? In which we found Symphony, and but it's not exactly, I think the technology is the last thing, right? So, the technology is the enabling alright? To do all those thing happening but if you don't have, like process management, you know, if you don't have that, it's kind of difficult to reach the target, okay? So, yeah, it's pretty much, I think it's when you, I think the most challenging is let people know what they're doing wrong you know, what they're doing repeating tasks, right so, when you do, like, the process walk through, people just get amazed, you know, like, what? Are you serious, we're doing that? >> When did you start? >> We started in February >> This year? >> Yeah >> Okay, so, take us back to February or January whatever, December, when you were maybe even before that, thinking about the business case. How did it come about, and how'd you guys meet? Take us through the sort of initiative. >> Yeah, well, right before, it was six months before I think it was, on July of last year, we started a conversation, right? And when I found that, within like six months of benchmarking and, we reached that like UiPath, and we start to ... trying to get something different, you know? To do something different enterprise and we had this need, okay? From inside, you know, from back office to tranformate because it's operation sometimes it costs a lot, alright? The first step that we did was like a future of work accelerator, okay? Which is, it's this scan, it's a total scan of the area, okay? And to see how how big are the opportunities, okay? To transformate things, right, so was the first step and after we had the pilot, we have three or four projects ongoing. >> And you were involved from the beginning Arnold, last July? >> Yes, yes >> One thing which was really very interesting about the project is that the client was the C.E.O and the C.F.O was totally the C-suite involvement So, and we believe that our PA is about the business, is about the process, it was ideal. So, we had really I believe it was really not work but, really a good time that we spent together integrating very closely with the team from Best Day Travel Group, to the point that you couldn't tell who was from Best Day and who was from Symphony, and then we were able to present to the C-suite, the result of the road map to move forward with a very clear business case, the process that was going to be robotized. Simultaneously, Best Day wanted approved inside, saying lets develop robotized version of one of the processes, and we did one which had been quite successful, we were just talking that the amount of work that that robot is handling today life, is such that either robot doesn't operate, he wouldn't know what to do because there is so much work to do behind in the past, and he doesn't know what he did, but today, it is almost impossible to recreate that. >> Yeah, that's correct, singularity is here >> One of the things that maybe you can help me understand, 'cause I'm a little bit new to this technology, how do you figure out, how do you size this, like how do you know how many things a robot can do, we heard one of the customers has a thousand robots, how does this scale, and how does this build out inside of a customer? >> Two thing that we do is that we look at the company, we identify those process, with heavy like, say, head count with lots of repetitive tasks that can be partially or totally robotized, and then we present it as a road map because the first question they have is "how do we start?" I mean, this is a company, 3000 people 4 million passengers, where do we start? How we get good advantage of the robots and that's how we did it, and then it's going on, the project we just did the first part, we continue now with the second part which is going to be even more interesting. >> What'd the business case look like? I mean, was it a saving money, making presumably some of this was cost reduction right off the bat, right? >> Yes, yes >> Lets talk about that business case what's that framework look like? >> Well, the action will have a pilot, that we just did, we launched already, alright? The business case was like, to to reduce cost, alright? The operational cost is very high, okay? So, now, we have like, just to have an idea the situation before would have, like six person working, you know, like the eight hour shift, okay? And doing like issuing tickets and you know and right now we have, like, just one robot and we built a capability of, 126% okay? On this, just with one robot, alright, and yeah, it's amazing, its amazing and 24/7, you know, right now it working pretty fine. >> Specifically, where do the cost savings come from? >> Well, the cost savings is not exactly that ease, but it's a customer's experience, okay? And also the capability that you can build alright? To get more sales, okay? And there's another project that, before that we had the first one, we have to to reduce the cost of the operation you, know, for 65 people, alright? And ... the transactions cost a lot of money for us, okay? So that's how we're trying to we're trying to understand that and we're trying to eliminate those costs or reduce, you know like, as much as we can. >> Its a part of that, you redeploy people, you put 'em on other tasks, is that what you're doing? >> Yes, yes, we free them up, you put another, you add value task, right? >> So the C.F.O is one of the stakeholders here, >> It was >> So many C.F.Os might say "okay, well, we're "not going to cut head count, so where do I "get my savings?" so the answer, if I'm hearing it is well we're going to increase revenue because these people are going to be on other tasks, and >> That's it, yes >> And, do you have visibility in line of sight as to how fast that can happen, whether, is it already starting to happen? >> Yeah, it already start to happen, already start to happen, like in, you know, this project was we have the roll back in 15 days >> I was going to ask you what the break even was it was inside of a month? >> You know, its already paid, it all 15 days, it's already paid, right so, yeah, the C.F.O is pretty happy with that. >> The first project was relatively small right? >> Yeah, yeah yeah. >> You proved it out and now you're going to throw gasoline on the fire >> That's it, that's it. >> That's great, so what's next for you guys? >> Well, next, we are go to the customer service you know, like ano-traceability, there's a traceability project that we have to do, alright? Just to ... To have the client in front of everything, you know? So that's our strategy right now and we're going to do, well Symphony is going to help us out with our PA and with implementation and the process, because its going to be a new process, it doesn't exist, alright? So there's going to be a brand new one so we have to create from scratch. >> Arnold, I wonder if you can go a little broader for us on this, it sounds like you've got a perfect partner inside the company with, you know, process in his title you've got the C-suite engaged, is that a typical deployment, what are you finding? >> Is not typical but it is, that is something that we look for all the time. 'cause it's, if the client is not engaged, we can do nothing, if the C-suite is not engaged, there is very little process people can do and by being engaged the C-suite, we're driving the cost reductions, but there is another point besides cost, consistency, and also we are eliminating side loss that had existed for long time, 'cause the companies are starting with one organization then another one, another one and all of them touch the customer what the probably will be doing to them hopefully before the end of the year, early next year, to be able to see the transverse of the customer, one and a half million passengers arriving to Cancún and they are passengers. But you don't know how many people will come back so you better know that these guys came here they like to go to the scuba diving next time he's around, we can offer him a scuba diving, we can pick him up from the airport, we can offer other services and then, the company is structured to be exponentially, so that you can grow from 4 million to 8 million passengers without adding head count, adding, that is the future of Best Day Travel Group and that's why we have engaged the management. >> Okay, so you're looking at the moon shot double the number of passengers served with the same head count, that's a huge productivity boost, so I'm hearing 15 day break even, some of that was hard cost reduction, its revenue increased, its proven, now you're going to invest more consistency, better customer service, cross selling, hey they like to scuba dive, maybe we can make an offer here, and better data allows you to do that that's going to summarizes the the business case and we're talking I mean, I don't want to, you know, squeeze the M.P.V at it, but we're talking millions? Hundreds of thousands? >> Millions >> Hundreds of millions? >> Millions right? >> Yeah, yeah, pretty much, it's a huge number you, know, its a huge number and, we have a lot of opportunities and, I think it's going to be a success, you know? >> And presumably the employees want to be part of this ride, right? They want to get, whether it's re-trained, or become R.P.A experts, deploy this technology, drive their digital automation and service those 8 million customers with the same resources you know, or invest in other resources. >> yes >> New growth areas. >> Yes, yes. >> Great story >> Yeah, it is, it is, >> we're working hard >> (laughs) figuring it out >> We're privileged to have been work with them because they are, I say unique but it was done for us from day one everything was put in place, engagement, people, and then the company itself is very easy to manipulate and transform because of the way that it was structured 30 years ago. >> And why UiPath? I mean, you said I chose them last summer why, why'd they win? >> Well, because of, well during a benchmarking, I can see a lot of difference between them, you know? And we have concluded that, well they actually Symphony recommend us, alright? So, you want this, you want that for this situation, it's going to be the best solution, right? And after that, we're pretty sure that it's it's the best it's the best choice, right? Because of the personalities, because a lot of stuffs that they have they can bring to us, you know? >> Do you worry about, do you worry about shadow R.P.A, like (laughter) >> The divisions going off and doing their own robots, or have you guys got a handle on that? >> Yeah, you know (laughing) no, not worried about that, you know, but yeah it's going to happen. >> It's a good thing. >> Alright, gentlemen, thanks so much for coming on theCUBE it was great to have you. >> Thank you for inviting us >> Alright keep it right there everybody, Stu and I will be back at UiPath Forward Americas right after this short break, you're watching theCube, we'll be right back. (closing music)

>> Voiceover: Live from the Mandalay Bay Convention Center in Las Vegas, it's theCUBE covering VMworld 2016, brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem sponsors. Now here's your host, John Furrier. >> Welcome back everyone. We're here live at VMworld 2016 here in Las Vegas. This is the seventh year of coverage for SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE, it's our flagship program, we go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier. My co-host John Troyer with TechReckoning. Our next guest is CUBE alumn, one of our favorite guests, Sanjay Poonen who runs the end user computing, he's the General Manager, End User Computing Division of VMware, and also Head of Global Marketing now. Congratulations. New job role to oversee all of marketing, to bring that unified view across the company. Good to see you again, welcome back. >> Thank you John, and the John and John Show. I'm happy, I always love being on your show. >> Yeah, we have another John Walls on the other set over there, so it's three Johns hosting here in theCUBE. >> My middle name is John, let me tell you that, so I fit in the community. >> So Sanjay I want to get right into it. So you're giving us a preview here, folks, for tomorrow, the Keynote, you're the main act kicking off the Keynote tomorrow. A lot of big announcements, a couple super secret announcements that you can't share but you've got some new stuff going on in terms of new announcements, in terms of enhancements and new technologies. So can you share a little bit about tomorrow's announcements and what we'd expect at the Keynote. >> Yeah, thank you. So for everybody watching, make sure you dial in at nine o'clock tomorrow. I mean, the reality is, a key part of this client server to mobile cloud transformation is preparing people for a public cloud, digitally transforming the datacenters and preparing for public cloud, that's what you heard today. And the second piece of that, it's almost like two halves of the egg shell, the bottom part being the datacenter, the top part is preparing end users for an increasingly mobile world. And there we have this concept of a digital workspace, Workspace ONE that we introduced, and we're going to announced some new innovations there which really allow you to bring three things together. >> New products or new enhancements? >> In today's day and age when you're going cloud first, we're moving so fast so we don't do things in one big whole. I mean, for example, with AirWatch, we're doing probably like one incremental big feature every five, ten days. So we are doing things a lot more in the pace of cloud type company. So we don't really bundle everything to one big release. But nonetheless, we really focus our efforts around three gears, we're going to hear about tomorrow, one is the entire basis of how people work is driven now by identity management, and access to apps and identity. So you're going to see that tomorrow. And identity management becomes the important piece of the puzzle that's a control point for people's access to apps. Secondly you're going to hear about unified endpoint management and the worlds of desktop and mobile coming together. A good example of that is Windows 10. I'm going to talk about that more tomorrow. And third is a very important area of management and security, and how we think about endpoint management and endpoint security 'coz security is becoming one of the key missing linchpins that we think we can actually bring together in this digital workspace. So Workspace ONE with key focuses on areas like management and security. >> So you've been kind of, we've been interviewing you now three years. Congratulations, now at VMware, came from SAP as an executive there, now three years in. We've been watching your career, the end user computing evolve. The big bold movement down the field was the AirWatch acquisition. We've then seen a variety of different integration points in there. Give us an update on where it's come from and where, now we see where it's going, you just laid that out, but what are some of the specifics on how it's evolving because now with the cloud decision for the company, to say, okay, public cloud is in our equation with that Pat's announcement today, you've been kind of waiting for that engine, you've been kind of like, hurry up and wait for that to happen. So that's now, it's happening. Take us through how AirWatch in this piece evolved. >> Yeah, when we acquired AirWatch, part of it was our fundamental recognition that without a mobile strategy, you could end user computing. That's the name of our group is end user computing. You could end it 'coz we really needed something. So we looked at the space and we wanted something that was cloud first. They were, I would say, a close number, two or three, Mobile Line, I think was technical lead or maybe Good was, but they had a cloud architecture. We liked that about them. And was about a hundred million-dollar business. We disclosed at the end of last year that business was over 370 million in all in bookings. So you could see how rapidly we've taken them, they're almost 4X in two years. And the overall end user computing business was about a half billion when I joined. We announced at the end of last year, was a 1.2 billion all in bookings run rate company. When I joined it was about 30,000 customers. We're now about 65,000 customers. So reality is, we're now one of the top major businesses within the company. There's a lot of momentum. And that's been, I think, one of the better software acquisitions anybody's done the last two or three years. >> And strategically speaking, the digital transformation framework is essentially around this digital workspace area. >> It came out of that mobile space. And the part that we are now starting to see with clearer lenses in the course of the last six to 12 months is that identity management becomes an important piece to add to VDI mobile management. So we've added a third pillar of focus. And we feel like CIOs shouldn't have to buy VDI from one set of vendors, mobile device management, mobile management from a second, and then identity management from a third. These are coalescing into a digital workspace. So a big focus there. And allows us to also expand into new areas, for example, Iot, we can talk about it this time, and areas like endpoint security. >> It seems like, talking about identity management, that to you is right out of your security story. It seems like identity then has to become the fundamental pillar of security of end users in today's enterprise. How does your security story play into-- >> Yeah that's a very good point John. And I would say you're absolutely right. When we are increasingly selling our end user computing solutions, we're finding a key influencing buyer is the CISO. 40% of people have come to our mobile connect conferences are important to the CISO. Identity is a security topic too. So if you pull up for a second, the VMware security story now is very simple. It's in three parts. Number one, we can protect the datacenter. NSX now, one of the key propositions is micro-segmentation. That's a security seller. Number two, we can protect the endpoint with solutions like AirWatch and TrustPoint, we can get to TrustPoint this time. And number three, we can protect the middle, the user. So protect the datacenter, protect the endpoint, and protect the middle, the user. And all of those make us a very strong story appealing to the CISO. And then we take a bevy of partners with us that have even stronger brands and security. For example, one of our lead partners is Palo Alto. We're working very closely with them in NSX. We're working very closely with them in AirWatch. We're working very closely with them in identity. Another example of partners, F5. So we picked the group of partners that have very strong brands and security. And we found things that we do well. We partner with them in things that they do well. It's a really good story to both the CIO and the CISO. >> So much of the cloud story, as well as the end user story, is also about timing. We've been waiting on public cloud. Pundits talk about the death of private cloud but they don't say what year really. And so a lot of the end user story kind of we had to wait on, VDI, we had to wait on the devices. How do you as a leader of this company look at timing and when the market is ready for something? >> Well, I mean John, I think you have to really look at trends. And I had a fundamental premise coming in that the two Cs, and I'll talk about this more on tomorrow's Keynote, that we really needed to attack with venom was cost and complexity in the VDI market. And part of the reason as I talked to customers that many VDI projects failed, were cost and complexity. So we took a chainsaw to cost and complexity. And it turns out with a lot of what we've invented in the software-defined datacenter, software-defined storage that we were among the first to drive, hyper converged infrastructure, NSX for micro-segmentation, the fundamental premise of this sphere and all that you can do in areas like 3D graphics, we could engineer a solution that was 30 to 40% cheaper than the competition from VDI and app promoting. Complexity. We decided that VDI and app promoting needed to be one platform as opposed to sort of a competition that had like a, two separate products for VDI and app promoting. So these all were things that lowered the total cost of ownership and made that easy. Similarly with mobile, the two S's we attack there was simplicity and security. And we've had some core, I would say, these are the type of things, as a leader, you have to keep telling your teams, is your north pole. We're attacking cost and complexity. Another example of cost and complexity is moving stuff to the cloud. Three years ago we were the first to announce desktop as a service. What was one of the messages this morning, IBM, now embracing that desktop as a service in their cloud, working with us both in IBM cloud and IBM GTS. It's come a long way in three years. >> So I got to ask you about the aspect of unification. We're hearing that tomorrow you're announcing a huge shift in how customers buy and that it ultimately will change the equation on their cost side which is eliminating these point solutions out there. This unification endpoint, I don't know what you're calling it, can you share, give a little bit of leg, as Dave Vellante would say, on this morning tomorrow on this announcement, this consolidation or unification. How should we think about this? >> I mean, I think, and hopefully it's not a surprise 'coz we've been building up this momentum as opposed to one big mega announcement. Workspace ONE is really the coming together of three core areas. VDI and everything related to the way in which we manage desktops and apps, mobile management, and identity management. And in each of those spaces, if you don't look at us, there are point vendors doing each of those. And our differentiation is one, it's unified, second, it's a cloud first solution, many cases the folks have not yet moved to the cloud, and then we extend the capabilities of things like Workspace ONE, optimized for our datacenter where it needs to, into new areas like, for example, security. So we think as you lay this out and then build a partnership ecosystem, with not just security vendors but apps vendors, we're going to have a very large apps vendor on stage with me tomorrow, for the first time on stage, so I'm not going to tell you who it is, but come tomorrow you'll hear that. >> Microsoft, SAP, Salesforce? >> You've got some obvious candidates but it's one of those folks. >> It is one of those folks? >> How many big ones left, right? Some of them have been buying everybody. >> We've got some scoop this year on theCUBE. >> But that's an example of where VMware is taking the lead at embracing an apps ecosystem. >> So I got to ask you, you're a student of history and text, so back in the old days, back in the 90s, when dial-up in internet, Office Connections, Radioservers was a buzzword, you'd have to dial up into a facility, and you have to be authenticated. Pretty straightforward back in the day. But now the authentication, if you will, is coming from endpoints that are, like, anything. Uber could be inside the enterprise and app. So this notion of endpoints is interesting. It's also complicated. So there's not only a security surface area, there's also a cost area to deploy these solutions. Is that the kind of what Workspace ONE does? I mean am I getting it right? Am I thinking it right as an access method? >> I think you've got one piece of it right and I think you're exactly right. In the world of mobile, my fingerprint now becomes, police know that that's unique usually-- >> So does Apple. >> Right. And my retina scan becomes it. So you've got very sophisticated phones, it doesn't have to be complicated ones, that can give you either the fingerprint or the retina scan. You'd have to physically cut my thumb off and pluck my eye. I dare you to do both of those to replicate me. So you can move away from a very-- >> That's two-factor authentication right there. >> Yes, multi-factor, right? So you can move away from tokens becoming your only avenue of multi-factor authentication. You can do things smoothly. But it doesn't end there. Endpoints security has to be re-thought to really work at speed and at scale, so that's why we partnered with this hot security company, you're going to see them also on display tomorrow, Tanium. And with them we built a product called TrustPoint. And we use it internally at VMware. In fact one of the things you're going to see in the demos I do tomorrow, there's going to be lots of demos in 25 minutes, of day of the life of how VMware uses technology both in Workspace ONE and endpoint security. Tanium's one of the hottest products that we internally use and we combine some of our IP with theirs, and created a product called TrustPoint in a Google-like interface. I can search to find all endpoints in the enterprise, what potential apps are running on them, what potential malware's on them, quarantine it and maybe even take action on them with some of the technologies we have from AirWatch. So we've combined the best of Tanium and VMware's technology and this is going to be a real hot solution for areas like Windows 10. >> And what's the uptake you're taking on traction given where you're business is going? You've got some good performance now. What's your expectation on uptake on some of these, this Workspace ONE and the end space? >> If you look at our success so far, I told them, when I joined the company, the business was about a half a billion. We announced the end of last year, it's on a 1.2 billion run rate. So we've effectively more than doubled the business, doubled the customer count. And I think that on our path from 1.2 to two billion over multiple number of years, these solutions are going to become very critical to our growth. Horizon in the desktop portfolio, AirWatch in the mobile portfolio, identity management, and TrustPoint. And when I talk to our sales guys, I say, "Listen, there's enough there to feed "a lot of potential customers," and when I look at our customer count, 65,000 customers, we're still about 9, 10% penetrated inside the overall VMware base. If we can double, triple our customer base, there's no reason why this couldn't be a multi-billion dollar business. >> Alright, so for CXOs whether that's CIOs, chief data officers, chief revenue officers, any CXO, chief security officers, CISOs, all that stuff, for they're watching out there and tomorrow's Keynote, how would you summarize if you have to boil out your point of view and your theme for tomorrow, and some of the key takeaways? >> Four words, consumer-simple, enterprise-secure. There's an element of simplicity that gives you all the productivity that you need with Workspace ONE and your end user world. And then there's a message of security that the IT wants. The users benefit from simplicity, IT benefits from security. Users benefit from choice, IT benefits from control. And you'll hear that very, hopefully, fairly clearly tomorrow. >> Sanjay, final question, your team, VMware, you've amassed quite a team, the performance have been great, when you go back to the ranch inside Palo Alto headquarters and throughout the world, what's your marching orders to the team? What's the guiding principle that you put forth with respect to keeping the pace of innovation to match up the cadence of what's expected, not only by potentially your customers, but also your potential partners and competitors? >> First off, I'm a big believer in serve and leadership. So you have to lead by values that replicate, there's no success without successors, so I'm a hound for talent, I'm always looking for ways by which, just like the warriors, we create the best end user computing team bar none, and I think we've been very fortunate to create that team in every area. There's more talent that we should be hiring. I hear about them and we go recruit them. But once we've got a good team, we keep them focused on the mission. I mean obviously we have a revenue growth goal, and at the core of it, beyond just selling things, we want to make the customers successful. So we keep customer as our north pole. Customer satisfaction for VMware has been the highest of any IT vendor. When you look at many of these, Temkin research does a survey of customer satisfaction, we're among the top five, almost consistently the last few years. And then we make sure that in the products that we build, customer first, serve and leadership at the top, customer-focused, and we are building products, I mean we're an engineering-centric company so we want to build the best products that have a leap factor over the competition. >> So the warriors have a style of play-outs. You have Steph Curry who's just, lights up. But they're not afraid to shoot the three. They're good on transition, great speed. What is your differentiation as an organization? What's that x factor? What's the one thing you can point to? >> I mean, I think, listen, we were probably a little bit lethargic in end user computing. John was joking about this before we just had the show. We want to build great factors and we're a little bit edgy. I mean I've been called everything on Twitter from the Nostradamus of EUC to all kinds of, but we're aggressive, but I will tell you that if people watch me in Twitter, it's never, in the words of The Godfather, it's never personal. It's strictly business. So we have fun. We're a little edgy out there. We're in your face, we want to compete, we want to win every deal but it's never personal. I mean it's just like Steph Curry. You're going to compete hard on the court, but after the game, you go and have a drink with Kobe Bryant or Lebron James or whoever-have-you. >> Well final question, I didn't get this 'coz it's such a good product conversation and organization with your group, now you're heading up marketing, as the VMware, a very community-driven, very data-driven company, thoughts on marketing, you have it on social media, do you see social as being a part of marketing? Do you look at that? Do you look at certain ideas that you see that you put forth? >> First off I think Robin Matlock, our CMO has been doing an amazing job, so I told her this as I took over marketing and communications. Oliver Roll, our Chief Communications Officer is also doing great. Listen, I'm just going to throw more wood in the fire. Things are going good. Let's just get them from good to great. This show is one of the most cultistic shows on the planet because of the way in which she and her team have built this thing. It just gets better and better. But there's a few things I think you're going to see us do more. Customer-based marketing, having customers become our spokespeople. I dream of a day where every ad that we have is the biggest companies in the world or the smallest companies using our technology to either make their business more efficient or save lives. And then increasingly over time, we're going to be also doing vertical-based marketing in certain industries. And social media is a great way of getting that work across. >> We'll you've been on theCUBE as an SAP executive, now three years at VMware, certainly this is seven years you've been with CUBE and you guys do it right, so Robin and team and now you. Thanks for your support, appreciate everything. >> Thank you John and John. >> Sanjay Poonen, the General Manager, End Use Computing, and Global Head of Marketing for VMware here inside theCUBE. I'm John Furrier with John Troyer. You're watching theCUBE. (upbeat music)

live from San Francisco California it's the queue at vmworld 2014 brought to you by vmware cisco EMC HP and nutanix now here are your hosts John furrier and Dave vellante okay welcome back and run live in San Francisco California this is the cube vmworld 2014 our 50 year covering vmworld I'm John for my coach Dave vellante Sanjay pune in the EVP and general manager end-user computing friend of the cube he's been on throughout his career at SAAP that he moves right across the street to VMware last year and great to see you great good to see back in the cube Thank You John's pleasure to be what a year right so last year you came on board guns blend Pat was really excited you've accomplished some of your goals I think you laid out I said what's your goals for next year you laid out some goals and then big acquisition AirWatch securities hot mobile was booming we are living in a multi cloud mobile infrastructure demand tell us what happened over the past year obviously big M&A give us the details yo John and Dave I was like on day like point five day one when I came down there cute but I was actually watching the replay and I'm like I actually said that and it made sense no it's been a great year and its really been a team effort so the first thing that I did was I said you know well before we decide the what and the how I really want to figure out who's on the bus so we really both kind of promoted a couple of key people within the company like kid Kohlberg remember kid was like the star of last year's show he's now our CTO and user computing what hired a couple of rock stars for the industry like summit the lawn and a few others who've really come in and shaped us and then as the team started to gel we then began to ask our customers what was the key missing part in our strategy and it was mobile it's very clear and we began to then ask ourselves listen if we're going to get into the mobile space you know do we build do we buy to we partner and we were winning deals in the desktop space primarily against Citrix we compete in there getting a lot of market share but the mobile space we'd lose deals and I go and ask our customers who you pickin and eighty ninety percent of time was AirWatch same time our CIO was doing an evaluation internally we were running on an SMB tool fiber link that then since got bought by IBM were running out of steam with it because as SME tool and I said listen you evaluate the market look at all the options and based on what you pick will probably influenced our acquisition decision they love their watch do so you know those were two or three key moments it's the franchise player in the team right I mean ultimately ultimately you know Mobile is today kind of that sizzle point if you're talking mobile cloud it is the sizzle point John Marshall and Alan dabiri came in they've added a lot so you know I talked to my keynote about three core pillars desktop mobile content collaboration we really feel like today when I was looking back we had a tenth of the portfolio last year this time and I think you know lots of good vision but now we actually a vision and substance right i think is pretty powerful so is it the lebron james who it was the is that the Tom Brady is it the Ray Allen you know the key role play I love basketball all those teams are great i think i'm some of my favorite all the Phil Jackson teams yeah my role is really to be the coach and to bring into the construct the Michael Jordan the Scottie Pippen's you know all that construct so that when you put together a world-class ski I really believe we have the best end-user computing team in the industry bar not and this team really is now packed with people and process and product innovation and that's what you've seen the last 12 months it's a real tribute to this fantastic and use a computing team so as you talk about the news this morning around SI p we didn't catch the detail that we were on the cube here can you just take us through some of those some of those key highlights I mean clearly I have a soft corner for a safe as you would expect that was there for seven years and have a tremendous respect they are the leader in business applications a tremendous player you know hundreds of thousands of customers and what we felt was if you could marry the best of breed aspects of what sa fie does well applications mobile applications cloud applications on-premise applications all of that what we do very well which is management and security for mobile and that's what our customers have among the 13 thousand customers of AirWatch probably the biggest basin enterprise rsap customers and they've been longing for better integration you know you but I what's going on over there you know we asked you I mean listen to the end of the day we want to do what's best for customers and you know so packed bill mcdermott myself talk Kevin ruchi bharani who was on stage and we felt that we could build integration between the mobile apps and the mobile platform of SI p where s if he is very good with the management and security of air watch where we're very good you get the combination to best debrief and I think the customer quote in that press release put it well so G Abraham basically said he was a CIO sigma-aldrich we love the fact that you're bringing together the best of breed aspects of mobile security from AirWatch with mobile apps and mobile platform Mississippi and that's a nessuno abdur for the enterprise because of reality because the challenge people are having is it was taking it was too hard it was taking too long so how does that change now with this integration I mean in essence era what AirWatch provides is an elegant simple cloud centric mobile management security solutions much more than MDM device management at Marikana management and you know in every ranking by the analyst they are the undecided gold medal now you can basically use that solution and make sure that your applications also work so let's say you're bringing up we showed in the demo an example of essay p medical records or maybe SI p furia Psychlo whatever have you you can now bring that up on a device that's secure and the posture is checked with their watch and that's the best combination of both and this could just apply to any application it could be a box it could be our own content locker SI p is a clearly the leader in business application I start sweet recently and said VMware working with apple and United Airlines to bring mobility airplanes all secured by air watch obviously United Airlines big customer GE and other things so the interface to pretty much everything whether it's big data is going to be some mobile or edge device is that the number one requirement that you're hearing from customers that it's not just mobile users is the Internet of Things part of this how do you see that that's interesting piece is that is that true don't absolutely I think well I talked about the United Airlines case start in fact it's right off the website of Apple you go to apple and look at the business case studies they have the United Airlines is one of those case studies in the case that is actually pretty simple you know you've got these pilots that are lugging around 30 40 pound bags lots of paper manuals their flight landing instructions now those are being digitized with iPads in the cockpit so as you think about what the future is everything goes digital that first invades the cockpit then the flight attendants habit so they can check to make sure they have a list of the passengers and they can serve their passengers better and that's the way the world is moving but then you take that same concept and you extend now to machines where every single potential machine that is on the Internet can be tracked can be managed and security and our proposition there is to manage and secure every possible machine and thing and then analyze the data coming out of it we think that's a huge opportunity FML touch in Chicago last year and the chairman of the United told me a one percent savings in efficiency just on just on gas is billions of dollars of real savings so you know this brings back down to the the whole concept it's not just an IT thing it's a business process thing so how far along are you seeing the customer base on things like this is it is where it's--okay IT got workers out there you know bring your own device to work okay but outside of that what is the the uptake if you will on really connected intelligence yeah i think it's a it's and when we have you know 13,000 customers that we've had their watched 50,000 our customers with horizon 500,000 customers we have vmware many of them start speaking and we're finding in a couple of industries and consumer packaged goods and retail industries people are looking at things like for example smart vending in devices medical devices the future of a protected medtronics was on stage and they are a rare watch customer they were talking about the fact that their vision is well beyond just the mobile devices every medical device being protected potentially by air watch you look at oil and gas customers practically almost every oil and gas customers in AirWatch customer there's going to be embedded intelligence inside a lot of the oil and gas machinery and infrastructure that protects people from potential damage we expect to be able to secure that so our proposition in that equation is the management and security of every machine and everything and then the beautiful part of it is beyond just management and security I think the analytics of data coming out of that is a treasure trove of incredible valuable places for big data you know we spoke with bill McDermott when you were also at sa p and they had a very vertical approach and when we go talk about the big data conferences with a Q veterans all this vertical we need to have a vertical niche to kind of be a major player or or even a differentiated niche player but how does that affect your business is it vertical eyes you mentioned a loyal and gas flow but you know airlines is there a horizontal platform that can work across the industries or is it specifically verticals you see up your levels now you're at a different you're the edge of the network what's your take on that do you have to be a vertical player or zero horizontal plane that's a great question Jon I think that as the world's leaf asta scrawing and biggest infrastructure software company VMware that's what we've been going from zero to you know roughly run rate six billion in 15 years there is fundamentally first off a horizontal play that goes across and cuts across many industries but very quickly we find as we were able to package solutions by industries so I talked for example at the keynote about the health care industry and how we were you imagine a doctor walking into their office moving from their office to the ward from their desktop to an iPad to potentially getting into the room and they then have a thin terminal client terminal and then they collaborate with their other doctor that has you know an iPad to healthcare is one example state and local public sector is a different example we're being successful education retail manufacturing we picked four or five verticals I been fortunate in the fact that much of my experience at SAAP was running the industries at SI p so i have a good amount of experience at industry solutions we're certainly not an application's player like i say p where we're going to vertical eyes in a vertical stack applications but you're going to see us drive solutions and when you drive industry solutions and let's say five or ten industries where we're relevant you're going to see our average selling price growth and differentiation is application-specific is tends to be vertical but as a platform product player you're this way yeah you don't wait fundamentally to start with but then you start creating solutions yeah which are scenarios that work in a particular industry to enable those guys exactly and we pick the five or ten industries where we think we're going to go focus and we're starting to see as we do that our average selling price growth everything they have some fools yeah you know what the other thing that happens is that you actually start becoming relevant to a line of business buyer beyond just idea and that's very important I was on the performance metrics give us some data can you share some of that pat was glowing with always performing well so can you share some numbers yeah I'll tell you what we did the last three quarters and growth this is the fastest growing the one of the fastest growing business units in q4 last year we grew thirty percent north of thirty percent in q1 or we announced we grew north of thirty percent again and then in q2 we said we grew north of fifty percent right and now some of that results the contribution of area watch but organic or inorganic we are growing and it's not a small business you can grow from one to two and that's a hundred percent this is a size of a part of VMware's revenue and a growing part of it we're talking hundreds of millions of here is that for ya I mean it's well over ten percent of the revenue and the growing percentage of the total company's revenue I think that this is going to become an increasing part of the embers total revenue total relevance the CIO and because a mobile cloud and a big part of the brand appeal of the inland I mean listen remember is well known as an infrastructure company done very well in the data center but the moment you start talking mobile and clouds you're appealing to the CIO and that's a very different type of conversation we want to raise the appeal of VMware I yield to the CIO and we think mobile it's a big market you guys did the TAM analysis Pat I probably has you doing that but whoever may be Jonathan it's a big chunk of it at his EUC a sizable pardon bigger than it was before and we just have to kind of grow into that Tam and then grow the tam further and that's and you started that kind of throw that sounds getting the flywheel effect going and the problem with VD I was always a cost cost cost and you know so it was a narrow niche this mobile it seems to change that hold concussion for my cost of value you know Dave it's a very good point first off mobile for us means more than just a device it means being on the move and on the move means you could be on the move and you're using a laptop here we got to think about the relevance of how you get solutions on to your laptop and desktop I think part of the reason video I gonna hit a little bit of a bump and some of our competitors have been stalling and declining is it's just too complex into costly and we fundamentally now reinvented a modern stack for desktop virtualization that runs on top of all the great innovation that we have in the software-defined data sound like virtual set like vSphere and a lot of things we're doing so all of a sudden the cost of EDI we can show we take down by at least thirty to forty percent that's a game changer now you add moberly to say listen when you go from a desktop or a laptop to a tablet or phone you've got the leader in mobile security and management AirWatch integrated the horizon this is what we announced with the workspace sweep and the final pillar is being able to share that content in a very simple yet secure way so think sort of Dropbox but all of a security and SharePoint brought you that's the third pillar all three of those desktop mobile and content extremely so you're saying saji the tipping point is the asset leverage that you're getting out of the infrastructure is you move toward this sort of software-defined thing that enables this type of decline in cost and accelerated growth absolutely and that's you know the whole aspect of how software has been done is you integrate things so your lower costs and you make it much much easier to be able to palette and by now either could be bottom premise or the cloud so we're seeing that connection of you know the head and the body think of the body being the traditional software-defined data center the head being end-user computing all the connective tissue muscle fiber blood vessels and so on so forth making that connected now makes us a lot more appealing than telling a customer listen by your data center infrastructure from VMware your desktop infrastructure from Citrix your mobile infrastructure from MobileIron and you're you know content collaboration solution from like 10 different starters right increasingly we think that that's not the way in which people are going to be buying software Sanjay just some highlights from the keynote looking here on Twitter through our little listening tool great reviews by the way electric flying speed she's gonna be CEO someday Pat heads up on that that was coming from the Trident that was this guy without a limiting move on stage when I said fat ought to be thinking about an ice bucket challenge so anyway rights beyond amazing executive really got really great reviews on the twittersphere besides a challenging pat calcium of the ice bucket challenge of which joe 2g already challenged so let's see how he's out of fun again oh fun in all seriousness two quotes i want to pull out from the twittersphere you said software in the modern cars more than the nasa spacecraft awesome comment when I pivot on that in a second the other one was Sanjay is emphasizing the importance of world-class infrastructure so first define world-class infrastructure from your perspective given your industry experience in vision for the future and to talk about how it relates to the modern car were just NASA and the change of speed of Technology you know John when I gave my keynote i put this beautiful picture of this incredible modern architecture in single protocol to marina marina bay sands tower it's three big towers I think 40 50 60 floors and a fantastic infinity swimming pools at the top and not been a Singapore you got to go there and check out the swimming pool at the top of it but the only way in which you could make those three towers work was world-class foundational infrastructure the three towers by the way was a metaphor to desktop mobile content collaboration and of course the beautiful workspace view at the top of it so the thrust the impersonalist well all of that to us the software-defined data center is the de facto interest so that makes a lot of that happen we feel very very fortunate and blessed to have the world's best infrastructure that makes that happen virtual server storage networking management all of that put together allows me to be able to build world-class towers on top of that and the end of the day it's not just solid it's lower cost of ownership in the opportunity now my comment about the the 1970s spacecraft and so just to say that today we live in a software economy it's not to say that hardware is not important but someone joked that software is like the wine and hardware is like the bottle while it was important but the the software glue really ties Harvard together in a very special way and that's really the genius of what's making everything whether it's a device whether it's a machine even more relevant and that clearly was defined in 1972 spacecraft but today you can see this invading automobile thermostat refrigerator vending machine that we believe the future so how to ask you to shoot the arrow forward what are you getting excited about I'll see the accelerated pace of change from the spacecraft to the car after you mention the United Airlines and Apple it's a well documented as an end user environment certainly the interfaces everything and that seems to be the focus area what's your view what is exciting where's the inflection point enabling technology that you're watching from the foundation only to the top I mean listen i spent seven years at SAAP primarily in the analytics and big data space and then fire that another five years that companies like in thematically and I've just my life has been about end-users and whereas we came in here we coined this phrase which is our big broad vision we want to allow end-users to work at the speed of life so if you think about your life in the consumer world you don't lug around 300 CDs into your car you have an ipod you have an iphone your connect to the iCloud and it's all seamlessly there you watch a movie you start off on netflix you go from San Francisco to New York to Barcelona you may start and then stop you know someplace else and you can you can start exactly where you stop house of cards or whatever have you watching enterprise software has been unfortunately hard to use complex hard to implement and the more that we can make enterprise software simple simple and secure we to do the security part of it pretty good we tend to do the simplicity part so i think enterprise software companies can actually take a page out of the book of consumer software companies on the simplicity now the consumer companies could take a lesson out of the book from us and security and but when you put simplicity and security together you get magic when you could put together control and choice together you get magic so it's not the consumerization of IITs we all love it's the IT of consumers each other you could really flip that around like dead laptop staff I mean there's so many different place in the words that you could do that's exactly the way but I think that's a great point Sanjay thanks so much for coming to Cuba congratulations on a great keynote and thanks for coming to spend your valuable time with us here of the cube appreciate it we live here in San Francisco we write back with our next guest after the short break thanks John