>>live from Atlanta, Georgia. It's the Q covering Answerable Fest 2019. Brought to you by >>Red Hat. >>Okay, welcome back. It runs two cubes. Live coverage of Ansel Fest here in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm John for a host of the Cube with stewed Minutemen. Analysts were looking angle. The Cube are next to guest Tom Anderson and most product owner. Red Hat is part of the sensible platform automation properly announced. And Richard Henshaw, product manager. Guys, welcome to the Cube Way had all the execs on yesterday and some customers all pretty jazzed up about this year, mainly around just the timing of how automation is really hitting the scene and some of the scale that's going on. You guys had big news with the answerable automation platform. New addition to the portfolio. What's the feedback? >>So far, I think the feedback has been super positive. We have customers have come to us. A lot of the last little one said, Hey, we're maturing. We're moving along the automation maturity curve, right, and we have multiple teams coming to us and saying, Hey, can you help us connect this other team? We've had a lot of success doing cloud provisioning or doing network automation were doing security automation. What have you and they're coming to us and saying, Help us give us kind of the story if you will, to be able to connect these other teams in our organization. And so that way I kind of feel the pole for this thing to move from a tool that automates this or that. This task for that task. Too much more of a platform center. >>It seems to be scaling out in terms of what automation is touching these days. And look at the numbers six million plus activations on get Hub versus other projects. So activities high in the community. But this seems to be much more broader. Scope now. Bring more things together. What's the rationale behind? What's the reasoning? What's the strategy? But the main thing is, >>automation is got to that point where it's becoming the skill set that we do. So it was always the focus. You know, I'm a database administrator. I'm assists out, man. I'm a middle where I'm a nap deaf on those people, then would do task inside their job. But now we're going to the point off, actually, anybody that can see apiece. Technology can automate piece technology in the clouds have shown This is the way to go forward with the things what we had. We bring that not just in places where it's being created from scratch, a new How do you bring that into what's existing? Because a lot of our customers have 20 or 30 years like a heritage in the I T estate. How do you do with all of that? You can't just rebuild everything into new as well. So you gotta be ableto automate across both of those areas and try and keep. You know, we say it's administrative efficiency versus organization effectiveness. Now how do I get to the point of the organization? Could be effective, supposed just doing things that make my job easier. And that's what we're gonna bring with applying automation capability that anybody can take advantage of. >>Richard. I actually felt the keynote demo this morning did a nice job of that line that they set it up with is this is this is tools that that all the various roles and teams just get it, and it's not the old traditional okay, I do my piece and set it up and then throw it over the wall. There was that, you know? Oh, I've got the notification and then some feedback loops and, you know, we huddled for something and it gets done rather fast, not magic. It's still when I get a certain piece done. Okay, I need to wait for it's actually be up and running, but you know, you're getting everybody into really a enterprise collaboration, almost with the tool driving those activities together >>on that. And that's why yesterday said that focus on collaboration is the great thing. All teams need to do that to be more successful because you get Maur inclusivity, Maurin puts. But organizations also need to coordinate what activities they're doing because they have rules, regulations, structures and standards they have to apply. Make sure that those people can do things in a way that's guided for them so that they're they're effective at what they're trying to do. >>Okay, I think I'm going to explain what's in the platform first because an engine and tower and there, what else is in there, what's new? What's what our customers is going to see. That's new. That's different >>it's the new components are automation Hope Collections, which is a technology inside answer ball itself. On also Automation Analytics and the casing is that engine and terrorist of the beating heart of the platform. But it's about building the body around the outside. So automation is about discover abilities like, What can we find out? What automation can I do that I'm allowed to do? Um, and let six is about the post activity. So I've automated all these things. I've done all this work well, How did it go? Who did what, who did? How much of what? How well did it work? How much did it failed? Succeeds and then, once you build on that, you don't start to expand out into other areas. So what? KP eyes, How much of what I do is automated versus no automated? You can start to instigate other aspects of business change, then Gamification amongst teams. Who's the Who's the boat? The closest motive here into the strategy input source toe How? >>Find out what's working right, essentially and sharing mechanism to for other groups in terms of knowing what's happening >>and how is my platform performing which areas are performing well, which airs might not be performing well. And then, as we move down the road, kind of how my performing against my peers are other organizations that are automating using the ants will automation platform doing? And am I keeping up on my doing better? That kind of stuff. >>So, Tom, there's a robust community as we was talking about. Their platform feels like it builds on yet to change the dynamic a little bit. When you talk about the automation hub and collections, you've already got a long list of the ecosystem vendors that are participating here. Bring us two through a little bit. What led Thio. You know all these announcements and where you expect, you know, how would this change the dynamics of >>the body? And maybe we'll split up that question. I'll talk a little bit about partners because it's both partners and customers in community here that's been driving us this way. I'll talk a little bit about partners and Rich talk about the customer piece here, which is partners have been traditionally distributing their content there. Ansel automation content through our engine capability. So our engine release cycle, or cadence, has been sort of the limiting factor to how fast they can get content out to their users and what what the collections does is part of the platforms allows us to separate those things. Rich talked about it yesterday in his keynote, having that stable platform. But you having yet having content be able to read fast. And our partners love that idea because they can content. They can develop content, create content, get into their users hands faster. So partners like at five and Microsoft you've seen on stage here are both huge contributors. And they've been part of the pole for us to get to the platform >>from a customer perspective. And the thing I love most about doing this job with the gas of customers is because I was a customer on Guy was danceable customer, and then I came over to this side on Dhe. I now go and see customers. I see what they've done, and I know what that's what I want to do. Or that's what I was trying to do. And she started to see those what people wanted to achieve, and I was said yesterday it is moving away from should I automate. How would we automate Maura? What should I automate? And so we'll start to see how customers are building their capabilities. And there's no there's many different ways people do. This is about different customers, >>you know. What's interesting is you guys have such a great success formula first. Well, congratulations. It's great to see how this is turning into such a wider market, because is not just the niche configuration management. More automation become with cloud to point a whole new wider category. So congratulations. The formula we see with success is good product, community customers adopting and then ecosystem that seems to be the successful former in these kinds of growth growth waves you guys experiencing? What is the partnering with you mentioned? S five Microsoft? Because that, to me, is gonna be a tipping point in a tel sign for you guys because you got the community. You got the customers that check check ecosystem. What's the partner angle? How do they involve? Take us through that. What's going on? They're >>so you're absolutely so you know, kind of platform velocity will be driven by partner adoption and how many things customers can automate on that platform or through that platform and for us I mean, the example was in the demo this morning where they went to the automation hub and they pulled down the F five collection, plugged it into a workflow, and they were automating. What are partners? Experience through their customers is Look, if I'm a customer, I have a multi cloud environment or hybrid cloud environment. I've got automation from AWS. I've got azure automation via more automation. Five. Got Sisko. I've got Palo Alto. I've got all these different automation tools to try and string them together, and the customers are coming and telling those vendors Look, we don't want to use your automation to end this automation tooling that one we want to use Ansel is the common substrate if you will automation substrate across this platform. So that's motivating the partners to come to us and say, Hey, I had I was out five Aspire last week, and they're all in a natural. I mean, it's really impressive to see just how much there in unanswerable and how much they're being driven by their customers when they do Ansell workshops without five, they say the attendance is amazing so they're being pulled by their customers and therefore the partners are coming to us. And that's driving our platform kind of usability across the across the scale. >>Another angle we'll see when we talk to the engineers of the partners that are actually doing the work to work with danceable is that they're seeing is ah, change also in how they it's no longer like an individual customer side individual day center because everything is so much more open and so much more visible. You know there's value in there, making it appealing and easy for their customers to gain advantage of what they're doing. And also the fact that the scales across those customers as well because they have their internal team's doing it, saying the same things and so bringing them to an automation capable, like Ansel have to push. That means that they also gained some of the customers appreciation for them, making it easier to do their tasking collaboration with us and you know, the best collaborations. We've got some more partners, all initiated by customers, saying Hey, I want you to go and get danceable content, >>the customer driving a lot of behavior, the guest system. Correct. On the just another point, we've been hearing a lot of security side separate sector, but cyber security. A lot of customers are building teams internally, Dev teams building their own stacks and then telling the suppliers a support my AP eyes. So now you start to see more of a P I integration point. Is that something that is gonna be something that you guys gonna be doubling down on? What's that? What's the approach there? How does that partner connected scale with the customers? So we've >>been eso Ansel security automation, which is the automation connecting I. P. S. C. P. S that kind of stuff. It is almost a replay of what we did the network automation space. So we saw a need in the network automation space. We feel that we became a catalyst in the community with our partners and our customers and our and our contributors. And after about three years now, Ansel Network automation is a huge piece of our business and adoption curve. We're doing the exactly see the exact same thing in the security automation space compliance. The side over here, we're talking about kind of automating the connections between your firewalls, your threat detection systems and all that kind of stuff. So we're working with a set of partners, whether it's Cisco, whether it's Palo Alto, whether it's whether it's resilient by the EMS, resilient and being able to connect and automate the connections between the threat and the response and and all of that kind of >>the same trajectory as the network automation >>Zach. Same trajectory, just runnin the same play and it's working out right now. We're on that kind of early part of that curve, that adoption curve, and we have partners jumping in with us. >>You're talking to customers. We've heard certain stories. You know how I got, you know, 1000 hours of work down to a dozen hours of work there. Is there anything built into the tool today that allows them to kind of generate those those hero stats O. R. Any anything along those lines? >>Talk about analytic committee from yes, >>well, again without any analytic side. I mean, those things starts become possible that one of the things we've been doing is turning on Maur more metrics. And it's actually about mining the data for the customer because Tower gives this great focal point for all the automation that's going on. It's somewhere that everything comes through. So when we export that and then we can we can do that work for all the customers rather than have to duel themselves. Then you start to build those pictures and we start with a few different areas. But as we advance with those and start, see how people use them and start having that conversation customers about what data they want to use and how they want to use it, I think that's gonna be very possible. You know, it's so >>important. E think was laid out here nicely. That automation goes from a tactical solution to more strategic, but more and more how customers can leverage that data and be data driven. That's that's gonna drive them for it. And any good customer examples you have of the outcomes. No, you're talking to a lot of >>PS one from this morning. Yeah, >>so I mean, I'll be Esther up this morning, and I think that the numbers they used in the demo that she's like, you know, last year they did 100,000 from launch to the end of the year. 100,000 changes through their platform on this year so far that in a 1,000,000. So now you know, from my recollection, that's about the same time frame on either side of the year. So that's a pretty impressive acceleration. Side of things. We've had other ones where people have said, You know how many times you were telling some customers yesterday? What used to take eight hours to a D R test with 20 or 30 people in for the weekend now takes 12 minutes for two People on the base is just pushing a few buttons just as they go through and confirm everything worked that that type of you can't get away from that type of change. >>J. P. Morgan example yesterday was pretty compelling. I mean, time savings and people are, I mean, this legit times. I mean, we're talking serious order of magnitude, time savings. So that's awesome. Then I want to ask you guys, Next is we're seeing another pattern in the market where amongst your customer base, where it's the same problem being automated, allover the place so playbooks become kind of key as that starts to happen is that where the insights kind of comes in? Can you help us kind of tie that together? Because if I'm a large enterprise with its I'm decentralized or centralized, are organized problem getting more gear? I'm getting more clouds, game or operations. There's more surface area of stuff and certainly five g I ot is coming around the corner. Mention security. All this is expanding to be much more touchpoints. Automation seems to be the killer app for this automation, those mundane task, but also identifying new things, right? Can you guys comment on that? >>Yeah, so maybe I'll start rich. You could jump in, which is a little bit around, uh, particularly those large accounts where you have these different disparate teams taking a approach to automate something, using Ansel and then be able to repeat or reuse that somewhere else. The organization. So that idea of being for them to be able to curate they're automation content that they've created. Maybe they pulled something down from galaxy. Maybe they've got something from our automation husband. They've made it their own, and now they want to curate that and spread it across the organization to either obviously become more efficient, but also in four standards. That's where automation hub is going to come into play here. Not only will it be a repo for certify content from us and our partners, but it will also be an opportunity for them to curate their own content and share it across the organization. >>Yeah, I think when you tie those two things together and you've got that call discover abilities, I had away go and find what I want. And then the next day, the next day, after you've run the automation, you then got the nerve to say, Well, who's who's using the right corporate approved rolls? Who's using the same set of rolls from the team that builds the standards to make sure you're gonna compliant build again, showing the demo That's just admin has his way of doing it, puts the security baseline application on top and you go, Oh, okay, who's running that security baseline continuously every time. So you can both imposed the the security standards in the way the build works. But you can also validate that everybody is actually doing the security standards. >>You what I find fascinating about what you guys are doing, and I think this is came out clearly yesterday and you guys are talking about it. And some of the community conversations is a social construct here. Going on is that there's a cultural shift where the benefits that you guys are throwing off with the automation is creating a network effect within the companies. So it's not just having a slack channel on texting. The servers are up or down. It's much more of a tighter bond between the stakeholders inside the company's. Because you have people from different geography is you have champions driving change. And there's some solidarity happening between the groups of people, whether they're silo door decentralized. So there's a whole new social network, almost a cultural shift that's happening with the standardization of the substrate. Can you guys comment on this dynamic? Did you see this coming? You planning forward? Are you doubling down on it? >>I think so. And we talk about community right on how important that is. But how did you create that community internally and so ask balls like the catalyst so most teams don't actually need to understand in their current day jobs. Get on all the Dev ops, focus tools or the next generation. Then you bring answer because they want to automate, and suddenly they go. Okay, Now I need to understand source control, and it's honest and version. I need to understand how to get pulls a full request on this and so on and so forth on it changes that provides this off. The catalyst for them to focus on what changed they have to make about how they work, because what they wanted to do was something that requires them to do you no good disciplines and good behaviors that previously there was no motivation or need to do. I think >>Bart for Microsoft hit on that yesterday. You know, if you saw Bart Session but their network engineers having to get familiar with concepts of using automation almost like software development, life cycles right and starting to manage those things in repose. And think of it that way, which is intimidating at first for people who are not used to. But once they're over that kind of humping understand that the answer language itself is simple, and our operations person admin can use it. No problem, >>he said himself. Didn't my network engineers have become network developers. >>It's funny watching and talking to a bunch of customers. They all have their automation journey that they're going through. And I hear the Gamification I'm like, Okay, what if I have certain levels I have to reach in it unlocked capabilities, you know, in the community along the way. Maybe that could build a built in the future. >>Maybe it's swag based, you know, you >>get level C shows that nice work environment when you're not talking about the server's down on some slack channel when you're actually focusing on work. Yeah, so that mean that's the shift. That's what I'm saying, going >>firefighting to being able to >>do for throwing bombs. Yeah, wars. And the guy was going through this >>myself. Now you start a lot of the different team to the deaf teams and the ops teams. And I say it would be nice if these teams don't have to talk to complain about something that hadn't worked. It was Mexican figured it was just like I just like to talk to you because you're my friend. My colleague and I'd like to have a chat because everything's working because it's all automated, so it's consistent. It's repeatable. That's a nice, nice way. It can change the way that people get to interact because it's no longer only phoned me up when something's wrong. I think that absent an interesting dynamic >>on our survey, our customer base in our community before things one of the four things that came up was happier employees. Because if they're getting stuff done and more efficient, they have more time to actually self actualizing their job. That becomes an interesting It's not just a checkbox in some HR manual actually really impact. >>And I kind of think the customers we've heard talk rvs, gentlemen, this morning gave me a lot of the fear initially is, well, I automate myself out of a job, and what we've heard from everybody is that's not absolutely That's not actually true at all. It just allows them to do higher value things that, um or pro >>after that big data, that automation thing. That's ridiculous. >>I didn't use it yesterday. My little Joe Comet with that is when I tried to explain to my father what I do. Andi just said Well, in the 19 seventies, they said that computers you mean we'll do a two day week on? That hasn't come >>true. Trade your beeper and for a phone full of pots. But Richard, Thanks for coming on. Thanks for unpacking the ants. Full automation platforms with features. Congratulations. Great to see the progress. Thank you, Jonah. Everybody will be following you guys to Cuba. 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>>live from Atlanta, Georgia. It's the Q covering answerable Best 2019. Brought to you by Red Hat >>Welcome back. Everyone's cubes Live coverage here in Atlanta for answerable fest. Here's cube covers of red hats. Event around automation for all I'm John for a stupid man. Our next guest is Joe Fitzgerald cable. Um, vice President General manager of the management business Unit at Red Hat. Great timing for answerable. Great to have you back on the Cube. Good to see you. Thanks, Mom. Thanks for >>having me. It's great to have you here. A danceable fast, super >>tight before camera timing about answerable to do And I did our intro analysis and platform ization of automation. Big, big move, Big news. But there's a bigger trend at play here around automation. Why is the timing now for automation discussions danceable. So good. >>The demand for automation is so broad in enterprises right there trying to do everything from, you know, Dev ops tool chains to io ti devices trying deploy things faster, you know, fix security vulnerabilities faster. It's all about speed, agility, efficiency. It all comes back to automation >>and the news here is the general availability of the available November as announced on Keynote of the Answer Automation Platform. So this is something that's been going on for a while, and it's just been grown. Now it's a platform. What's in the platform? Why is it important? Why should customers care? >>So you know, we've been on this journey with answerable, which started off. Is this incredibly simple, elegant architecture and a way to automate things and what's happened over the past couple of years? It's exploded in terms of the number of people who are using it, the number people who are generating automation, integration. And so in working with a lot of customers, right. What we saw the need for was really to help them collaborate and scale there. Automation efforts scale. You know who could build re you share, score content and track it really important. So we put a lot of those efforts into the platform to take it to the next level. Really? You >>know, we've been talking about answerable comes stew going back when 2014 open stack. I think I remember were first talk about the Cube. It had a cult following. When it emerged, you guys acquired it what the next year? 2015? Roughly. Um, but Ansel had this cult following of people who just love to get into the configuration side of things. Make them go better. You guys acquired it, Done well with that. Kept it going that the community fly. We'll keep rolling a lot of progress and say So. What do you most proud of? What's the most notable things of the growth of the answerable journey? What's what's the big story there? >>So it's almost four years since Red had acquired danceable. And I remember when I proposed acquiring answerable insult was this small? You know, Eastern U S company with sort of, ah, community cult following, but very small in terms of commercials and reach and stuff like that mostly focused on the configuration space. Like a lot of the other automation tools over the past four years. Probably the best thing we did that redhead is really good at is we let the community do with community does best, right? The innovation, the number of contributors, the amount of answerable integration modules, playbooks has exploded, right? If you were in the keynote this morning, it was number six on the you know, repositories list out of 100 million almost, you know, just a massive amount of projects. And here it is at number six. So we didn't perturb the community. We actually helped it grow. And we've been able to help the technology evolved from a config automation product in technology into this very broad spectrum. Now, enterprise automation platform that crosses domains like networks and security and storage and cloud and windows just a phenomenal growth in it. >>So help explain how platforms sets up answerable for its future. They talked in the keynote a little bit about starting with some of the kind of core partners and the collections that they're offering. But in the future, for a platform to really be a platform, it needs to be something that users themselves can build on top of so, you know, help us understand where it is today when it first announced here for November, and where it shows shall be going in the future. >>So we didn't use the platform word lightly. I think that, you know, platform has a set of connotations, and it's sort of a set of requirements. What we saw was that different teams and groups inside organizations were bringing Ansel in and using the technology and having very good success in their particular area. Then what we saw was thes. Teams were trying to share automation and collaborate across organizations. Then, even in the community, there's tens of thousands of roles and play books out there that the community has built. There might be 300 that do the same thing, which is the best one, which, which one of people using How successful is that? How long does it take? What we found was that they needed a bunch of tools to be able to collaborate, track analytics about stuff so that they could share and collaborate at a higher scale. >>Yeah, that's one of the great value proposition when we talk about SAS is if it's done well, not only can I share internally, but I can learn from others that have used the platform and make it easier to take advantage of that. So it is that part of that vision that you see with the platform? >>Yes, so I mean, there's a couple of ways of sharing. If you're running a sass service, then you know a central person is coordinating the sharing and things like that. What we try to do with Sensible Platform is basically enable a way that people can share content without having to go through a central you know, agent, if you will. So we provide service is and things to help them manage there. They're content, you know, with galaxy and collections and things like that. It's all about organizing and being able to share content in a way to make them more efficient. >>You're talking about the trends around. You've done it for a while, you know, great job. And congratulations, big fan of that company. And you guys did a good job with it as it goes full where you're thinking about cloud complexities as people start looking at the cloud equation hybrid and cloud 2.0, on the enterprise, complexity still is coming. There's more of it. How do you guys see that? How you viewing that that marketplace? Because it's not just one vertical. It's all categories. So how are you guys taking animals? The next level how you guys look at that? Managing those complexities that are around the corner? >>Yes. So if you think about it. You know, everybody's moving towards a multi hybrid cloud, you know, sort of configuration, right? Each one of these platforms and clouds has their own set of tools, which worked really well, perhaps in their particular cloud or their silo, where their environment. If you're an organization and you're running multi cloud, you're responsible for automating things that might span these clouds. You don't want to have different silos of automation tools and teams that only work in one cloud or one environment. So the fact that answerable can automate across thes both on premise and in the public clouds multiple public clouds across domains, network storage, compute, create accounts, you know, do all sorts of things that you're gonna need to do. So it's one automation technology that will span the complexity of those environments. So it really it's I don't see how people gonna do it otherwise, without fielding lots of people and lots of tools. >>You know, we're talking with Stephanie, and soon I talked on our intro insights segment around. The word scale has been kicked around certainly is changing a lot of the landscape on how couples heir modernizing the open source equation, but it's also changing the people equation. I want you to explain your vision on this because I think this is a key point that we're seeing in our community, where people have told us that automation provides great efficiency, etcetera, good security. But job satisfaction is a real big part of it. You know people. It's a people challenge. This is about people, your view on scale and people. So >>organizations are under tremendous pressure right now to doom or right whether it's deployed new application faster, too close security vulnerabilities faster to move things around. T right side's resource is and applications and things like that. And, you know, answerable allows them to do that in a way where they could be much more efficient and be much more responsive to the business. Right? Otherwise, you know, you see some of the customer testimonials here where the amount of time goes down from six hours to five minutes, the teams could be far more productive, productive. It really gives job satisfaction because they can do things that were almost impossible to automate before by using insult, automate network storage and compute in the same playbook. Before, those were three different tools or three teams, >>and people are solving some of the same problems in different areas. And this is where playbooks can be a problem and an opportunity. Because we have too many playbooks. You know which playbook be available? You could almost have a playbook of playbooks. This is kind of ah, opportunity that used the sharing collaboration piece What you're Richard thought on this as that playbook complexity comes in as little playbooks enter the >>organizations. You know, there's a lot of deployment of the same kind of stack or the same kind of configuration and things like that. So, you know, it's really extending community beyond, you know, you know, working on code into working on content, right around automation. So if somebody wants to employ Engine X, I think there's over 300 different playbooks to deploy Engine X right. We don't wanna have 5000 playbooks to deploy Engine X. Why can't there be a couple that people take and say, Wow, this is perfect. I can tweak it for my organization, integrate my particular systems, and I can hit the ground running instead of trying to either start from a blank page. Let's go sift through hundreds of almost close playbooks. That sort of the same thing A >>lot of times, David. Big time. Enormous. >>So, Joe, you know, congratulations on the four years of just continued growth, you know, great momentum in the community wanting to touch on. You know, the big move, you know, in the last year is, you know, IBM spending, you know, quite a few dollars to acquire red hat. What will this mean for kind of the reach and activity around answerable in the community, the IBM acquisition. >>So IBM had been involved in answerable in a number of their products, right in terms of integration into danceable. So they have teams and folks within IBM that obviously got and some old before the acquisition. I think that it's it's highly complimentary. IBM has very strong capabilities, room management and monitoring security and things like that. All those things inevitably turned to automation, right? So I think it really it only gives us access to IBM in their sort of their channel and their accounts in their reach, but also their teams that have these sets of technologies that are natural complement, you know, whether it's Watson driving Ansel or security or network monitoring, driving danceable automation. It's a really powerful combination. >>Yeah, I just want to get your kind of macro level view on automation. I sat on a panel talking to sys. Admin is about careers, and it was the number one thing that they felt they needed to embrace. We see, like the r p a community, probably an adjacency toe. What you see, heavily pushing automation, you know, help explain. You know what? How important automation is in that it's it's not, you know, just a silver bullet also. >>Yeah. So, you know, a lot of times people are, you know, the sort of the easy description is automation is gonna eliminate jobs or things like that. I think it's more like sort of the power tool analogy. You know, you know, if you had a you know, a hammer and a screwdriver before now you've got a power screwdriver and automatic camera, and you know all sorts of additional things. Their force multipliers for these people to do broader, bigger things faster, right? Um and that's what every organization is driving them to do. How agile can be our competition deployed. Something How fast can we deploy it? How many new releases a week Can we deploy when security hits? You know how fast we closed the vulnerabilities of hours, days, weeks or we do it in minutes. >>The old expression. If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. But if you're an agile hammer, you can adjust the figure out. The opportunity is kind of awesome. Kind of quote there. This speaks to the changes. I want to get your thoughts. Last question for you is that someone's been in the industry a while. We first interviewed nothing 2014 and open staff when we first started chatting around the industry. So much has changed. Now more than ever, the modern enterprise is looking at cloud impact, operating as an operating model cloud one Dato Amazon Compute storage stand up software and there piece of cake start ups were doing it. Now it's enterprises really want to crack the code on cloud software automation, observe abilities, new categories emerging kind of speaks to this cloud. 2.0, how would you describe that to folks, if if asked, what's the modern error enterprise Cloud architecture look like? What is cloud two point. Oh, how would you take a stab at that definition? So >>I would say after all these years, Cloud is really entering its infancy. And what does that mean? We're just starting now to appreciate what can be built on cloud. And we're gonna get a big boost soon with five g, which is gonna increase the amount of data, the amount of edge devices I ot and things like that the cloud is becoming, you know, the first choice for people. When they build their architecture in the business, it's gonna fundamentally change everything. So I think you know some people. What what's the quote? You know, some people overestimate You know what a technology can do in the short term and underestimate what it can do in the long term. We're now getting to that point where people are going to build some really powerful, cloud based applicator. >>You see, this is a big wave that big time twice. Yeah. I mean, we had a quote stew on the Cube last week. Date is the new software software abstractions. Automation. This is the new way means the whole new architecture so exciting. Thanks for coming on the key Appreciate Just for having. We're here at the animal fests Acute I'm Jumper Stewed Minutemen breaking down The analysis. Getting into the automation for all conversation. Big category developing. We're covering here. Live with more after this short break.