>>from around the globe. It's the Cube with digital coverage of Dell Technologies. World Digital Experience Brought to You by Dell Technologies Everyone welcome back to the cubes Coverage of Dell Technologies World Digital Experience I'm John for your host of the Cube Cube. Virtual. We're not in person this year were remote We're doing The interviews were not face to face. So thanks for watching two great guests to talk about the Dell Technology Storage and data protection for the VM Ware environments got Caitlin Gordon, vice President, product management, Dale Technologies and Leak as well. Vice president of Cloud Platform Business Unit, also known as CPB. You for VM where Lee and Cable in Great to see you both. Thanks for coming on. >>Thanks for having me >>s So what? What a crazy year. We're not in person. Usually the the events Awesome. VM world recently went on and then you guys have the same situation role online now and it's >>really kind >>of highlighted the customer environments of cloud needed. But I've been saying this on all my reports and all the Cube interviews that the executives who are in charge and now saying, Look at our modern APS have to be cloud native because the obvious benefits are there and container ization has become mainstream. But yet I d c still forecast about 15% of enterprises are still fully containing rise, with a huge amount of growth coming around the corner. So you're seeing this mature market where containers are validated, they're being put into production. People are now moving hard core with containers. And you have the kubernetes. I gotta ask you, Li, I'm Caitlin. What does this mean for the customers? Are they getting harder pressure points to do things faster? What does it all mean for the customer? >>Yeah, I'll start. Only you can add to it. I mean, I think what we see is the trends that were already happening of now. Accelerated and modern APs were kind of the top of the priority list, but now it has is really expedited. But at the same time, traditional applications haven't gone anywhere. So there's this dichotomy that a lot of I t is dealing with of head Oh, accelerate those modern APs while also streamlining and simplifying my environment for my traditional laps. And not only do I need to the right infrastructure to have that for production workloads, modern, traditional, but also form a data protection standpoint. How to ensure that those are all secure and do all of that in a way that simplifies life for whether it's the data protection admin, the BM admin or even the developer right, all of the different folks involved and needing to make all of their lives simpler has just really exacerbated a challenge and really given us a lot of opportunity to try to solve that for customers together. >>Lee, What's your take on the landscape out there? >>Yeah, I'd emphasized that speed really matters today, right? That we're really looking at. How do you go and deploy new applications faster, right? New ways to get engaged with customers. I mean, it's not happening physically anymore. So how is it happening while it's happening largely through applications? And so as you now basically develop new applications more quickly, containers are a way to speed the pace of applications, and the theme that you know we continue to drive home is that that means infrastructure has to respond more quickly, and it means that for the teams that are managing infrastructure, it really helps if you have a consistent model where you can get mawr done with the same teams and leverage all the experience you have, as well as the security and infrastructure resiliency model that we're bringing together to our customers. >>This brings up the real question, and if this comes up, kind of you see more of the executive level like we need to have a modern application direction. They'll go. Everyone goes, Yeah, of course. Thumbs up. Then they go Try to make that a reality because even though Dev ops and Infrastructures Code is still the viable path, it's hard. It's like Caitlin, we're talking about EJ to core Data center hybrid the multi cloud. There's a lot going on under the hood there. So you guys are doing a lot of stuff together. VM Ware and Dell Technologies. What's the solution for customers? They gotta move faster. As lead pointed out, Caitlin, how are you guys working together to make that infrastructure more modern, faster, programmable and reliable, >>and make it simpler for the customers right? I think it really comes down to one of the most powerful things about the partnership is that from the dull technology standpoint, we have really a plethora of different solutions to support your VM or environment. Whether it's a three tier architecture with Power Edge power store or leveraging the X rail. Or very commonly, it's gonna be both of those. You have the right infrastructure to support the production workloads and have a consistent operating model between them leveraging devils and primary storage side and all the integrations we have with the ex rail. And then we have with power, protect data manager Great integrations in some recent enhancements that make that even better and are now able to protect Tan Xue, protect the VCF management domain and not only have the storage, but also the protection for that environment. But do it in a way that supports what the V A madman needs and also gives that consistent protection, consistent storage, consistent operating model for the rest of I T. And at the same time you're enabling the developers to move faster. >>Lee, You guys have been doing a lot of joint development, and we've been covering a lot of the news VM world. Ah, lot of joint engineering, a lot of joint integrations. You guys have been collaborating with Dell Technologies for a long time. Also, the relationship. Where is that Today? Can you expand on that a little bit and take a minute to explain the joint >>collaboration? I'll start with the fact that you know, good marketing is really easy when you have great engineering. And so the work that we're doing together, like between our companies. Now we have a lot to talk about, right? E mean the work scaling mentioned right around Devil's integration, for example, on power Max right on da npower store, right? I mean, you start looking at the integration work that we're doing together. It means that customers are getting the benefits of the joint integration work and testing right that comes and so you're guaranteed out of the box toe work. Also, you know, don't forget that contain owners and all of the things we're doing around containers. It's basically designed thio accommodate the fact that containers air spun up more quickly or destroyed more quickly, their shared across the hybrid cloud more frequently and without an inherent security model and built in data protection. It's really hard to go and see how you can deploy these with the enterprise resilience that's demanded at enterprise scale. And so that's what we're doing together, right? And, you know, we build great software, Uh, but without great hardware partnerships, it's one hand clapping, right. It's about getting our teams together, right? That really makes it sing at the customer level. >>You know, I think that's a really example of the business. Performance results have come in Vienna, where you guys were doing a great job. Go way back to the years ago when Pat and Raghu we're talking with from Amazon and all. Since then, it's been joint development, join integrations, and that's a great business model for you. And so, Caitlyn, I wanna get back to you. Because at VMRO we covered Project Monterey, the new initiative for the anywhere but a year before they had Project Pacific that came toe life with product results. Tan Xue specifically, you guys have the power protect data manager that we talked about in the summer, but now for Tan Xue supported and Tan Xue environments that super relevant, can you share any updates on your end on the power protect Data Manager and Tan Xue? >>Yeah, I li I couldn't agree more that great engineering mix our jobs a lot more fun and a whole lot easier. So we've been really lucky. And the partnership we've had has really never been stronger. So yeah, but the most recent release of power protect Data Manager introduces the support for that tan xue protection. It also introduces really important things like storage, storage based policy management. So in in biosphere, when you set up a storage policy, you have data protection as part of that and you have the integration with power protect data Manager. So you're able to automatically protect new VM that are created by that storage policy of being applied. >>But >>at the same time, it's also being tracked in power. Protect Data Manager. So you have that consistency across enabling your vitamins and enabling your data protection your i t. Team. To keep track of that, we also have ah tech preview that we did at VM World about how we're working as from Dell technology standpoint to innovate around. How do you protect some of these VMS that are so large and so mission critical that you need to be able to protect them in a new and innovative way that doesn't disrupt the business. And we did a tech preview of that, and it's something you'll hear more about from us, too. But it's PM traditionally would be in this category of unprotected ble because of the impact it could have on the environment and how we're really looking to do that in a more efficient and intelligent way. So we can actually protect those be EMS. And there's there's really a whole lot more. When you talk about objects, scale and everything else that we've done, it's really exciting. And you don't think Lee and I have ever talked as much as we do now. Ah, and it's been a lot of a lot of fun. >>It's been great following both of you guys on the keep interviews over the years. The success in the vision We had early conversations about what the plans where it's kind of all playing out. So I want to congratulate both of you of VM Ware Adele Technology. So good job going forward. The collaboration. I want to get to that in a second, you'll into it. But Caitlin Lee, I want to get your thoughts because one of the big themes this year besides covert and all the issues that that's highlighting. But in the cloud world, automation has been the number one conversation we've been hearing, and with that you got machine learning all the tech around that as you abstract away. The complexity of the infrastructure to make the modern APS automation has been great. The business cross connect is everything is a service we're seeing. This is the big wave coming. Could you guys share your vision on how all this stuff you mentioned V balls and all objects scale all these things? There's a >>lot of >>plumbing underneath and a lot of tooling, a lot of part piece parts. If that gets programmable, >>automation >>kicks in, which then enables everything is the service because you guys both share your vision of what that means in terms of what's going to change and what would it impact the customer? >>Yeah, and it's very relevant for this week, right? Dell Technologies world. That's a big part of what we've announced this week in our commitment to really bringing our portfolio as a service, and it's really interesting, especially for folks like Lee and I, who have been doing kind of mawr product marking and talking about speeds and feeds and thinking about how you make the product life simpler. And how do you automate that? Have the intelligence built in things like Biaro have been such an important part of that, especially with power store coming to market. But if you think about where that leads us, actually changes everything, which is when you have everything as a service and we're really delivering outcomes to our customers and no longer products. That automation is actually just a important and maybe even more important. But it's not the end user that cares about it directly is actually us, because as Dell Technologies, we become the ones managing that infrastructure, owning that infrastructure and the more automation we can bring in, the more intelligence we can build them for ourselves. The more insights we can give to our customers, the better that service can become. And it's really a flip from how we've always been thinking about and really rolling out automation. It's not actually about enabling our end users to do anything. It's actually about enabling them to not worry about any of it, but enable our own organization to support their outcomes better. So it really changes everything. >>Lee, what's your thoughts on this? Everything you've got, V Sphere V Center. You've got all the storage you got all the back up. All this stuff has to be automated. Makes sense. But as a service, how does that impact your world? >>You know, it really does. When you think about the VMRO Cloud Foundation, right, which is the integration of all of our V sphere with Visa. And with these, you know, our NSX products that will be realized. Management suite. Tom Zoo now, right, All of this pulled together. One of things that's interesting is when you go to the public cloud, we have some experience now where we always deliver that full stack together. And what that does is it frees up customers. Thio, go on, focus on the applications, I think and stop looking down the infrastructure. Start looking up at the APS. And so we're offering and bringing that same level of experience to the on premises data centers. And now bridging that across the hybrid cloud that all of a sudden gives you this sense that Hey, I'm future ready. No, matter where I am today. If I'm thinking about the hybrid cloud, I could go on move there, right. And with our partnership with Dell Technologies, there's such a great opportunity to bridge that uniquely, by the way across all of my on premises infrastructure, including common policy based management, back into storage through RV Valls efforts, right and then back in through objects scale right into objects based, uh, applications and through our DP efforts to data protection efforts, then back into, like, date full data protection. And so what you get now is we're helping customers realize that I got this. I could take new Cooper navies orchestrated applications and I could make them work and do it with the same operational model that I have today. Start spending more time on the applications, less time, basically configuring and managing underlying infrastructure. >>Caitlin you mentioned that earlier at the top of the segment, ease of use, making it easier, simpler, great stuff on the on on the future. Lee, I gotta ask you about Project Monterey. We did a lot of coverage on VM World on silicon angle in the Cube. I love how this comes out. It's always, You know, the brain trust that VM Ware lays out the future, they fill it in throughout the year, expect to see some meat on the bone there. But what is that gonna do from for new capabilities and how with Dell Technologies? Because, um, it's end to end, right this Michael Dell and I talked, I think, two years ago, a Dell Tech world. And then last year, he hit the point home hard and to end with Dell Technologies. It kind of feels like it's gonna be a good fit. Could you share how that Monterey project fits in with Dell Technologies? >>Yeah. We're so pleased to be showing this together with Dell Technologies at the VM World to showcase this new idea that you could basically go on, start offloading CPUs and using smart knicks as a way to basically now provide, um or let's call it a, You know, a architecture that allows you to, uh, be responsive to new application needs. So let me talk a little bit about that. So when we opened up Tansu, right, we got this complete inflow pouring of new container base kubernetes orchestrated APS. So what? We found was, Hey, they're driving a lot of CPU needs their driving a lot of scale out security needs for things like distributed firewalls. And so we started looking at this, and what's clear is we need to basically use the CPU very judiciously, So it's basically reserved for the APS. And so what we're doing now is we're basically saying there's an opportunity for us to go in, offload the CPU for things that look more like infrastructure, including S X, I and other things. And at the same time, then we could go and work together with Dell Technologies to be the deployment vehicle. And so, just like Project Pacific, which was going broad, if you will, this project moderate, which is going deep like the canyon, John not far from here, um is, you know, a source of all new discovery right where we'll be working together and over time, just like the Project Pacific name faded to black and became product Tan Xue vcf with Tom juvie sphere. With Hangzhou, we'll see that Project Monterey will evolve into new products coming together with Dell Technologies. >>Caitlin, can you elaborate on Take a min, explain the product how this renders into products because I can also imagine just the benefits just from a security standpoint. Efficiency. If the platform, um, there's a range of things, could you take a minute to >>explain the >>impact on products? >>Yeah, I think you'll hear a lot more about it, but we're obviously excited to be partners on this is Well, and I think it's It's just another example of the more intelligent the infrastructure can become than the rest of the entire I T organization can run more efficiently and that that can come in the form of the A. I built into power, Max, that can come in the form of the evils that we have both in Power Max and Power Store that can come in the form of even just the fact that we have now built a fully containerized S three compatible objects or platform called objects scale which we have no in early access. Um, that can run on the V sand data persistence platform, and it just gives you the ability to leverage this all of the right technology. And we can continue to really partner on that. I think Project Monterey really opens up even more opportunities to do that, and you'll certainly hear more from us on that in the future. >>I >>mean, you got compression, you got encryption. A lot of benefits across the board. Great to have you guys both on and your graduation. The great event. Final question for both of you, talk about this has been a crazy year. We're not face to face, so everything will be online. What should customers and partners and people watching know about the relationship between VM Ware and Dell Technologies this year? What's the big message to take away? What should people walk away with and and think about? >>I think it's It's never been stronger than ever, uh, than it's been than it is right now. We have never had >>more >>breath and more depth of integration. I think that the partnership on the engineering level, on the product management level on the marketing level, we have really never been in a better place. And you know what? What? My team is really enjoyed with VM world season and you're coming up on Deltek. World season is we've really enjoyed the fact that we've had so much richness >>of >>that integration to talk >>about, and >>we also know there's even more coming. So I, you know, from from my standpoint, if we really feel it and probably the best and most rewarding time we hear about that, is when we bring new things into market, we hear that back. And when Power Store came into the market and over the past few right kind of first months in market, one of the most resounding feedback that has come out as one of the most differentiated parts is that it? It's so incredibly integrated with VM ware. But we've even gotten questions from analysts asking, you know, did you purposely make it feel like you are really working similarly to a B M or environment? And you know what? That just shows how closely we have been working as organizations is that it comes a very seamless experience for our customers. >>Lee Final Word. >>What >>should people walk away with this year on the relationship between Be and we're in Dell Technologies? >>Well, I think the best partnerships right are ones that are customer driven. And what you're finding here is customers. They're actually encouraging us, right? We're doing a lot of three way meetings now, right where customers like, Hey, tell me how you're going to go involved this. How do I How do I basically modernized right and preserve my existing investment, perhaps Or, you know, update here, Or how do I grow like customers have really complex individual situations. And what you confined right is that we're helping jointly not, you know, just simply with the engineering side, which is awesome, but also with the idea that we're helping customers go on deploy responsibly in a time where it's very difficult to plan. And so if you come to us, we can help you jointly plan for the future in uncertain times and make sure that you're gonna be successful. And that's just a great feeling when you're a customer looking at, How do you deploy going forward in this? You know, with the amount of pace of change that we've got, >>I want to congratulate. Both of you have been following you guys. Success has been proven out on the business results and also the products and the enablement that you guys are providing customers been great. Thanks for coming on. Great to see both of you have a great event. Thanks for. Come on. >>Thank you. It's a pleasure. >>Okay, I'm John for your here with the Cube. Covering Del Technology Worlds Digital experience 2020 The Cube Virtual. >>Thanks for watching.

>> Male Announcer: Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering Veritas Vision 2017. Brought to you by Veritas. >> Welcome back to The Aria in Las Vegas, everybody. This is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante. I'm here With Stu Miniman. Alicia Johnson is here. She's the managing director at Accenture Operations, and we're going to have a conversation about diversity, women in tech. Alicia, thanks so much for coming on theCUBE. Appreciate it. >> Delighted to be here today. Thank you. >> Yeah, we're thrilled because we saw some action on Twitter, we saw the WAVE activity going on, we said, "Hey, we got to get some of these folks on theCUBE," so really appreciate you taking the time here. Let's start with your role at Accenture, and then we'll get into WAVE and what that's all about. >> Fantastic. So thank you for having me today, and I'm delighted to represent the Accenture and Veritas partnership and be able to speak at WAVE last evening. Within Accenture, we put a high priority on inclusion and diversity. One of the things that we've come out and publicly announced is that we want a 50% women workforce by 2025. We've been doing research over the last three years, and Accenture is publicly committed to growing that percentage of our women managing directors to at least 25% by 2020, so we really focus on retaining, attaining, and advancing women, and sponsoring them in that pursuit for gender balance. >> So that's an amazing statistic. I mean, I think the average in the tech industry is 17%. Is that about right? >> About that, yeah. And a lot of the fundraising these days actually goes to venture capital men-run firms, and so we're really interested in helping set that gender paradigm as well so that more VC money goes out toward women and women investments and women VCs. >> Well, it's interesting. I mean, we've done some work in this area at siliconANGLE, and we've funded some fellowships to study this problem, and two of the places that were egregious offenders, Silicon Valley and Cambridge, Massachusetts, but you have to get it out there and talk about it, right? But so, when you say 50% by 2025, that's a goal? Is that a strict, people would use the term quota? Let's have that discussion. What does that all mean? >> It's a commitment that we're making, and one of the ways that within Accenture we really feel that we can hold to that commitment is making some changes internally and also being very transparent. So we have set that transparency goal across not only sponsoring women in P&L goals, but coming forward and making that commitment to transparency by publicly making the announcement. So the company has already set these clear, published, measurable targets to grow the number of women. We publish our workforce demographics, and we do this across many countries, including U.S., Canada, South Africa, Japan, India, and also our Asian countries. We also launch initiatives that are very focused on high-demand, short-supply, high-performing women in technical architect roles, and so what we do is we not only collaborate with the teams across our business and government, but we look at the programs that we have internally, and we set metrics internally as well about hiring and promoting, and so we're really committed to this through the transparency, so answering your question directly, it is not only a goal that we're after, but we are on a clear transaction path to make that happen, and hopefully we can make it happen sooner. >> Yeah, so, many events have some piece at the conference. THey'll have a panel, they'll have breakfast. We actually at theCUBE covered many Women in Tech events. Here at the Veritas Vision, they have it the Women At Vision Empowered, or WAVE Program, which there's a workshop, there's networking, there's some other things, maybe. Walk us through a little bit of it. There was the panel last night. What's the breadth of the experience here at the show? >> The experience yesterday was very much about empowering women in technology. We went through some discussions around not only gender balance, but also how to empower women and support women in your careers. We also talked about women in technology, other groups that we can align to. We also talked about some of the gender balance conversations that you often don't get to have when you're not meeting, and we encourage men to also join us in these WAVE events, but really, it's about professionally and successfully being fulfilled in your career. Within Accenture, we actually created what we call a B operations program to foster, really, this inclusive culture, and I think that the WAVE event is also looking toward fostering this inclusive culture. The people are really at the center of everything that we do, and so having a culture that's really respectful of women, their careers, their personal goals, and the culture that focuses on work-life choices, that's really very important, because those aspirations, we encourage you to become who you really can be. Some of our Accenture operations and B operations goals are focused around being limitless, driving business outcomes, being relevant, being part of others' successes and failures because you learn through growing with success and failure, be caring, and then really be yourself. Be authentic, and bringing that to the WAVE conference and that empowering diversity initiative is really key to the success of that event. We do hope next year that we'll have an opportunity to have the event actually more during the conference so that we can really get more attendants and drive much more passion and invigoration to the event, but we really believe that the opportunity above all is to get the initiative out there, start talking about it, and really make a difference. >> So let's have a conversation about the why. We can all agree it's the right thing to do, but let's have a business case conversation. What's the business benefit of inclusion? >> Well, obviously, we all come from different backgrounds and different walks of life, and bringing those experiences to the business, it's been proven time and again with all of the factors that you can look at that women make different choices, and women can be different types of role models, and in business, you actually are more successful as an organization by having women lead oftentimes in a scenario where sometimes men have been typically the leaders, and so creating more women role models will change the dynamic of the business, and as a diverse culture, you probably watched the Emmys last night. Diversity and inclusion was a hot topic, so we're changing the world as we're going through and changing technology, and this is an area that we can control, and I think that it's time for us to take control and make that difference, and really going after, really going after the fact of the matter is why wouldn't we already be there, right? And if we can make a difference to really be effective, be good communicators, be authentic, be inspiring, why wouldn't we want women bringing that to the table? >> Yeah, we were having a conversation on theCUBE a couple weeks ago, and you bring up the P&L manager, and it was interesting to talk about some of the stereotypes. I wonder if you could comment as a woman. P&L managers tend to be leaders, and somebody did an analysis of performance reviews, and the adjectives for the male leaders tended to be assertive, great leader, and the adjectives for the female leaders tended to be things like abrasive, okay? But both high-performing individuals. As a woman, I mean, I'm sure you've experienced that in your career, and your colleagues have, as well. I wonder if you could comment on that. Are things changing, and where do you want to see it all go? >> Sure. That's a really great topic, and yes, I mean, in the work world you often see if a woman is assertive, she's referred to in a negative tone, and oftentimes you'll find women, the higher power they are in organizations, they're not looked upon as being friendly individuals, and I think that that's a cultural dynamic that goes back to probably maternal instinct, that you're trained to think, oh, well, we don't see empowered women as wildly successful, and that's something that we need to change as a culture. You mentioned you have a daughter, so seeing your daughter in an empowered position is going to be something that you want as a father. And then being able to proactively build upon why we look at males in a position of power as being someone who is assertive, but if the woman says the same thing, she's maybe looked at in a negative connotation, these are the questions we need to start asking, right, and is there a reason for that? There shouldn't be a reason for that. Equally intelligent, equally able to succeed. And so assertive and powerful is that gender balance, and that's really what we should start questioning in business, and it will make us better as large organizations, as individuals, and as fathers in going after what we want our children and the rest of our society to achieve. >> Yeah, and you certainly see some high-profile examples of women in leadership positions. Obviously, Accenture, IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Enterprise, and some others, but you also see on the masthead, if you will, it's like, man, man, man, man, oh, Head of HR, woman, and so a lot of the P&L managers, it's interesting. That's the first time specifically the P&L management. Why the P&L management? Why that emphasis? Maybe you could share with us. >> Well, within Accenture, one of the things that we can do is actually measure the goals that help us advance internally, and so we sponsored the company's most senior women to advance in P&L roles. We've been doing this for the last six years, and approximately 80% of the women in our global executive leadership program have been promoted and significantly expanded their areas of responsibility, and I think that we looked at the goals we could take within Accenture and really make examples of those goals. We also, the commitment to transparency, which I talked about a bit ago, that's really setting and measuring publicly and holding ourselves accountable, right, to those goals and measurable targets that we can grow to. We publish that, and we also challenge other organizations to come out and publish their workforce demographics, and I think before Accenture did that, there wasn't a lot of companies that were maybe as eager to come out and publish that workplace demographic, and so we're looking to make a change. We really want to launch initiatives within our organization that we can control, and ensuring that we can collaborate and create that gender balance in the workforce is key. One other area that I want to talk briefly about is within Accenture Operations, so just in my realm of Accenture. I did mention that we finished our fiscal year 2017 with 45.9% women, really setting the bar across Accenture. One of the things that I want to mention is what we're doing to sponsor and retain women in our local programs within Accenture and their careers, and we focus on staying true to passion, which I talked about with our B operations initiative. We also introduced a flexible work option, which is really focused on our teams in India. They allow the women to fit work and school around their nursery hours, and that's one of the other reasons that you find often women not staying in the workforce is because they make the choice between family and working and the working hours, and then within Accenture, we focus on hosting our International Women's Day, very similar to the WAVE event, and we would be delighted for you guys to join us this year at the upcoming event in March. And then we also sponsor what's called a woman stream, which is internally, to our 400+ thousand employees, at major events, we're able to promote women in cloud, we're able to promote WAVE events, we're able to promote our women in IT initiatives, and on a grassroots level, we'll go out and sponsor programs that are around Girls Who Code and get involved in NPower and other initiatives which bring people into the technical workforce, be it women or men, families, looking at how can we empower and help grow our society including all inclusion and diversity. >> Alicia, how about compensation? I feel like, actually, ironically, one of the best things that happened for women was when Satya Nadella put his foot in his mouth a couple of years ago at the Grace Hopper Conference. Since then, you've seen a much heightened awareness of compensation levels. Many companies have come out and said okay, we're going to, it should be transparent. States' Attorneys General have come out with strong advocates, in some cases laws mandating equal compensation. Maybe you could make some comments there, and what specifically is Accenture doing? >> Accenture is actually looking at the salaries of MDs and down through the food chain. We weigh what the percentage of men are paid versus the percentage of women, highest percentage-earning, and we also do adjustments based on that. I do find it interesting you had mentioned that the comments were made. Yes, that's true, and it's a very common fact that women make $0.49 on the dollar for what a man makes, and I can tell you, I don't believe that I'm only worth $0.49 on the dollar. It's really important for us to bring about these initiatives. You also hear people make excuses that maybe women aren't as good at negotiating, or maybe we don't go out and ask for the same balance, but it makes me say, well, why should women go out and have to ask for the same treatment, equal treatment? So I don't think it comes down to that. We all have to fight for what we want. We all have to go after how successful we want to be, and I think empowering and collaborating and really being authentic in that pursuit is really key, so yeah, good point. >> Well, and I think it's a bit self-fulfilling. Because women have historically been paid less than men, certainly in our industry, their expectations are perhaps lower, so that when they switch a job, if they're offered something lower, they're more apt to take it, and the hiring person says, "Okay, fine, that's good," so the only way out of it is if companies proactively adjust, and understandably, that can't happen overnight because there's economic realities, but it can and it feels like it's beginning to happen, slowly, maybe not as fast as you'd like. >> Yeah, and I would love to see women and girls getting more involved in tech. I watched a bit of a program last evening, actually, that referred to around in 4th grade, we start giving boys toys to work with and we start giving girls dolls to play with and different things like that. We can change that. Starting from the basic skills that you aspire for your children, you can start on paradigm, you can start with teaching others about technology. Women might always say it's not super sexy to be a technical architect, but I might disagree, with my background as a CIO. So I think it's really talking about the inclusion culture, getting more people interested in it from the beginning, and bringing more women with the opportunity to really fulfill that gender equality, and whether we promote them, within Accenture, you had asked me about the P&L case, that's something we can control as an organization, so each organization I would challenge to look at the ways that you can balance gender equality, and within Veritas, obviously, there's a very strong WAVE program that's being driven and Accenture's delighted to partner with and support, and that's a commitment to being a champion for change. >> Well, congratulations on being a champion for change and all the progress you're making at Accenture. Very impressive story, so thanks for coming on theCUBE and sharing it. >> Thank you very much. I'm delighted to be here today, and thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak with you gentlemen. >> It's our pleasure. All right, keep it right there, everybody. Stu and I will be back with our next guest. It's theCUBE. We're live from Veritas Vision 2017. We'll be right back. (intelligent electronic theme)