>>data by its very nature is distributed and siloed. But most data architectures today are highly centralized. Organizations are increasingly challenged to organize and manage data and turn that data into insights this idea of a single monolithic platform for data, it's giving way to new thinking. We're a decentralized approach with open cloud native principles and Federated governance will become an underpinning underpinning of digital transformations. Hi everybody, this is Day Volonte. Welcome back to HP discover 2021 the virtual version. You're watching the cubes continuous coverage of the event and we're here with Matt Mako is the field C T O for Israel software at H P E. And we're gonna talk about HP software strategy and esmeralda and specifically how to take a I analytics to scale and ensure the productivity of data teams. Matt, welcome to the cube. Good to see you. >>Good to see you again. Dave thanks for having me today. >>You're welcome. So talk a little bit about your role as CTO. Where do you spend your time? >>Yeah. So I spend about half of my time talking to customers and partners about where they are on their digital transformation journeys and where they struggle with this sort of last phase where we start talking about bringing those cloud principles and practices into the data world. How do I take those data warehouses, those data lakes, those distributed data systems into the enterprise and deploy them in a cloud like manner. And then the other half of my time is working with our product teams to feed that information back so that we can continually innovate to the next generation of our software platform. >>So when I remember I've been following HP and HP for a long, long time, the cube is documented. We go back to sort of when the company was breaking in two parts and at the time a lot of people were saying, oh HP is getting rid of the software business to get out of software. I said no, no, no hold on, they're really focusing and and the whole focus around hybrid cloud and and now as a service and so you're really retooling that business and sharpen your focus. So so tell us more about asthma, it's cool name. But what exactly is as moral software, >>I get this question all the time. So what is Israel? Israel is a software platform for modern data and analytics workloads using open source software components. And we came from some inorganic growth. We acquired a company called citing that brought us a zero trust approach to doing security with containers. We bought blue data who came to us with an orchestrator before kubernetes even existed in mainstream. They were orchestrating workloads using containers for some of these more difficult workloads, clustered applications, distributed applications like Hadoop. And then finally we acquired Map are which gave us this scale out, distributed file system and additional analytical capabilities. And so what we've done is we've taken those components and we've also gone out into the marketplace to see what open source projects exist, to allow us to bring those club principles and practices to these types of workloads so that we can take things like Hadoop and spark and Presto and deploy and orchestrate them using open source kubernetes, leveraging Gpu s while providing that zero trust approaches security. That's what Israel is all about. Is taking those cloud practices and principles but without locking you in again using those open source components where they exist and then committing and contributing back to the open source community where those projects don't exist. >>You know, it's interesting. Thank you for that history. And when I go back, I always been there since the early days of big data and Hadoop and so forth. The map are always had the best product. But but they can't get back then. It was like Kumbaya open source and they had this kind of proprietary system, but it worked and that's why it was the best product. And so at the same time they participated in open source projects because everybody that that's where the innovation is going. So you're making that really hard to use stuff easier to use with kubernetes orchestration. And then obviously I'm presuming with the open source chops, sort of leaning into the big trends that you're seeing in the marketplace. So my question is, what are those big trends that you're seeing when you speak to technology executives, which is a big part of what you do? >>Yeah. So the trends I think are a couple of fold and it's funny about Duke, I think the final nails in the coffin have been hammered in with the Hadoop space now. And so that that leading trend of of where organizations are going. We're seeing organizations wanting to go cloud first, but they really struggle with these data intensive workloads. Do I have to store my data in every cloud? Am I going to pay egress in every cloud? Well, what if my data scientists are most comfortable in AWS? But my data analysts are more comfortable in Azure. How do I provide that multi cloud experience for these data workloads? That's the number one question I get asked. And that's the probably the biggest struggle for these Chief Data Officers. Chief Digital Officer XYZ. How do I allow that innovation but maintaining control over my data compliance especially, we talk international standards like G. D. P. R. To restrict access to data, the ability to be forgotten in these multinational organizations. How do I sort of square all of those components and then how do I do that in a way that just doesn't lock me into another appliance or software vendors stack? I want to be able to work within the confines of the ecosystem. Use the tools that are out there but allow my organization to innovate in a very structured, compliant way. >>I mean I love this conversation. And just to me you hit on the key word which is organization. I want to I want to talk about what some of the barriers are. And again, you heard my wrap up front. I I really do think that we've created not only from a technology standpoint and yes, the tooling is important, but so is the organization. And as you said, you know, an analyst might want to work in one environment, a data scientist might want to work in another environment. The data may be very distributed. They maybe you might have situations where they're supporting the line of business. The line of business is trying to build new products. And if I have to go through this, hi this monolithic centralized organization, that's a barrier uh for me. And so we're seeing that change that kind of alluded to it upfront. But what do you see as the big, you know, barriers that are blocking this vision from becoming a reality? >>It very much is organization dave it's the technology is actually no longer the inhibitor here. We have enough technology, enough choices out there. That technology is no longer the issue. It's the organization's willingness to embrace some of those technologies and put just the right level of control around accessing that data because if you don't allow your data scientists and data analysts to innovate, they're going to do one of two things, they're either going to leave and then you have a huge problem keeping up with your competitors or they're gonna do it anyway, and they're gonna do it in a way that probably doesn't comply with the organizational standards. So the more progressive enterprises that I speak with have realized that they need to allow these various analytical users to choose the tools, they want to self provision those as they need to and get access to data in a secure and compliant way. And that means we need to bring the cloud to generally where the data is because it's a heck of a lot easier than trying to bring the data where the cloud is while conforming to those data principles. And that's, that's Hve strategy, you've heard it from our CEO for years now, everything needs to be delivered as a service. It's essential software that enables that capability, such as self service and secure data provisioning, etcetera. >>Again, I love this conversation because if you go back to the early days of the Duke, that was what was profound about. Do bring bring five megabytes of code, do a petabyte of data and it didn't happen. We shoved it all into a data lake and it became a data swamp. And so it's okay, you know, and that's okay. It's a one dato maybe maybe in data is is like data warehouses, data hubs data lake. So maybe this is now a four dot Oh, but we're getting there. Uh, so an open but open source one thing's for sure. It continues to gain momentum. It's where the innovation is. I wonder if you could comment on your thoughts on the role that open source software plays for large enterprises. Maybe some of the hurdles that are there, whether they're legal or licensing or or or just fears. How important is open source software today? >>I think the cloud native development, you know, following the 12 factor applications microservices based, pave the way over the last decade to make using open source technology tools and libraries mainstream, we have to tip our hats to red hat right for allowing organizations to embrace something. So core is an operating system within the enterprise. But what everyone realizes that its support, that's what has to come with that. So we can allow our data scientists to use open source libraries, packages and notebooks. But are we going to allow those to run in production? And so if the answer is no, then that if we can't get support, we're not going to allow that. So where HP es Merrill is taking the lead here is again embracing those open source capabilities, but if we deploy it, we're going to support it or we're going to work with the organization that has the committees to support it. You call HPD the same phone number you've been calling for years for tier 1 24 by seven support and we will support your kubernetes, your spark your presto your Hadoop ecosystem of components were that throat to choke and we'll provide all the way up to break fix support for some of these components and packages giving these large enterprises the confidence to move forward with open source but knowing that they have a trusted partner in which to do so >>and that's why we've seen such success with, say, for instance, managed services in the cloud or versus throwing out all the animals in the zoo and say, okay, figure it out yourself. But of course what we saw, which was kind of ironic was we, we saw people finally said, hey, we can do this in the cloud more easily. So that's where you're seeing a lot of data. A land. However, the definition of cloud or the notion of cloud is changing no longer. Is it just this remote set of services somewhere out there? In the cloud? Some data center somewhere. No, it's, it's moving on. Prem on prem is creating hybrid connections you're seeing, you know, co location facility is very proximate to the cloud. We're talking now about the edge, the near edge and the far edge deeply embedded, you know? And so that whole notion of cloud is, is changing. But I want to ask you, there's still a big push to cloud, everybody is a cloud first mantra. How do you see HP competing in this new landscape? >>I I think collaborating is probably a better word, although you could certainly argue if we're just leasing or renting hardware than it would be competition. But I think again, the workload is going to flow to where the data exists. So if the data is being generated at the edge and being pumped into the cloud, then cloud is prod, that's the production system. If the data is generated, the on system on premises systems, then that's where it's going to be executed, that's production. And so HBs approach is very much coexist, coexist model of if you need to do deaf tests in the cloud and bring it back on premises, fine or vice versa. The key here is not locking our customers and our prospective clients into any sort of proprietary stack, as we were talking about earlier, giving people the flexibility to move those workloads to where the data exists. That is going to allow us to continue to get share of wallet. Mindshare, continue to deploy those workloads and yes, there's going to be competition that comes along. Do you run this on a G C P or do you run it on a green lake on premises? Sure. We'll have those conversations. But again, if we're using open source software as the foundation for that, then actually where you run it is less relevant. >>So a lot of, there's a lot of choices out there when it comes to containers generally and kubernetes specifically, uh, you may have answered this, you get zero trust component, you've got the orchestrator, you've got the, the scale out, you know, peace. But I'm interested in hearing in your words why an enterprise would or should consider s morale instead of alternatives to kubernetes solutions? >>It's a fair question. And it comes up in almost every conversation. We already do kubernetes, so we have a kubernetes standard and that's largely true. And most of the enterprises I speak to their using one of the many on premises distributions of the cloud distributions and they're all fine. They're all fine for what they were built for. Israel was generally built for something a little different. Yes, everybody can run microservices based applications, devoPS based workloads, but where is Meryl is different is for those data intensive and clustered applications. Those sort of applications require a certain degree of network awareness, persistent storage etcetera, which requires either a significant amount of intelligence. Either you have to write in go lang or you have to write your own operators or Israel can be that easy button. We deploy those state full applications because we bring a persistent storage later that came from that bar we're really good at deploying those stable clustered applications and in fact we've open sourced that as a project cube director that came from Blue data and we're really good at securing these using spiffy inspire to ensure that there is that zero trust approach that came from side tail and we've wrapped all of that in kubernetes so now you can take the most difficult, gnarly, complex data intensive applications in your enterprise and deploy them using open source and if that means we have to coexist with an existing kubernetes distribution, that's fine. That's actually the most common scenario that I walk into is I start asking about what about these other applications you haven't done yet? The answer is usually we haven't gotten to him yet or we're thinking about it and that's when we talk about the capabilities of s role and I usually get the response, oh, a we didn't know you existed and be, well, let's talk about how exactly you do that. So again, it's more of a coexist model rather than a compete with model. Dave >>Well, that makes sense. I mean, I think again, a lot of people think, oh yeah, Kubernetes, no big deal, it's everywhere. But you're talking about a solution, I'm kind of taking a platform approach with capabilities, you've got to protect the data. A lot of times these microservices aren't some micro uh and things are happening really fast, You've got to be secure, you've got to be protected. And like you said, you've got a single phone number, you know, people say one throat to choke, Somebody said the other day said no, no single hand to shake, it's more of a partnership and I think that's a proposed for HPV met with your >>hair better. >>So you know, thinking about this whole, you know, we've gone through the pre big data days and the big data was all, you know, the hot buzz where people don't maybe necessarily use that term anymore, although the data is bigger and getting bigger, which is kind of ironic. Um where do you see this whole space going? We've talked about that sort of trends are breaking down the silos, decentralization. Maybe these hyper specialized roles that we've created maybe getting more embedded are lined with the line of business. How do you see it feels like the last, the next 10 years are going to be different than the last 10 years. How do you see it matt? >>I completely agree. I think we are entering this next era and I don't know if it's well defined, I don't know if I would go out on an edge to say exactly what the trend is going to be. But as you said earlier, data lakes really turned into data swamps. We ended up with lots of them in the enterprise and enterprises had to allow that to happen. They had to let each business unit or each group of users collect the data that they needed and I. T. Sort of had to deal with that down the road. And so I think the more progressive organizations are leading the way they are again taking those lessons from cloud and application developments, microservices and they're allowing a freedom of choice there, allowing data to move to where those applications are. And I think this decentralized approach is really going to be king. And you're gonna see traditional software packages, you're gonna see open source, you're going to see a mix of those. But what I think we'll probably be common throughout all of that is there's going to be this sense of automation, this sense that we can't just build an algorithm once released and then wish it luck that we've got to treat these these analytics and these these data systems as living things that there's life cycles that we have to support, which means we need to have devops for our data science. We need a ci cd for our data analytics. We need to provide engineering at scale like we do for software engineering. That's going to require automation and an organizational thinking process to allow that to actually occur. And so I think all of those things that sort of people process product, but it's all three of those things are going to have to come into play. But stealing those best ideas from cloud and application development, I think we're going to end up with probably something new over the next decade or so >>again, I'm loving this conversation so I'm gonna stick with it for a second. I it's hard to predict, but I'll some takeaways that I have matt from our conversation. I wonder if you could, you could comment. I think, you know, the future is more open source. You mentioned automation deV's are going to be key. I think governance as code, security designed in at the point of code creation is going to be critical. It's not no longer to be a bolt on and I don't think we're gonna throw away the data warehouse or the data hubs or the data lakes. I think they become a node. I like this idea and you know, jim octagon. But she has this idea of a global data mesh where these tools lakes, whatever their their node on the mesh, they're discoverable. They're shareable. They're they're governed uh in a way and that really I think the mistake a lot of people made early on in the big data movement, Oh we have data, we have to monetize our data as opposed to thinking about what products that I can I build that are based on data that then I can, you know, can lead to monetization. And I think and I think the other thing I would say is the business has gotten way too technical. All right. It's an alienated a lot of the business lines and I think we're seeing that change. Um and I think, you know, things like Edinburgh that simplify that are critical. So I'll give you the final thoughts based on my rent. >>I know you're ready to spot on. Dave. I think we we were in agreement about a lot of things. Governance is absolutely key. If you don't know where your data is, what it's used for and can apply policies to it, it doesn't matter what technology throw at it, you're going to end up in the same state that you're essentially in today with lots of swamps. Uh I did like that concept of of a note or a data mesh. It kind of goes back to the similar thing with a service smashed or a set of a P I is that you can use. I think we're going to have something similar with data that the trick is always how heavy is it? How easy is it to move about? And so I think there's always gonna be that latency issue. Maybe not within the data center, but across the land, latency is still going to be key, which means we need to have really good processes to be able to move data around. As you said, government determine who has access to what, when and under what conditions and then allow it to be free, allow people to bring their choice of tools, provision them how they need to while providing that audit compliance and control. And then again, as as you need to provision data across those notes for those use cases do so in a well measured and govern way. I think that's sort of where things are going. But we keep using that term governance. I think that's so key. And there's nothing better than using open source software because that provides traceability, the audit ability and this frankly openness that allows you to say, I don't like where this project is going. I want to go in a different direction and it gives those enterprises that control over these platforms that they've never had before. >>Matt. Thanks so much for the discussion. I really enjoyed it. Awesome perspectives. >>Well, thank you for having me. Dave are excellent conversation as always. Uh, thanks for having me again. >>All right. You're very welcome. And thank you for watching everybody. This is the cubes continuous coverage of HP discover 2021 of course, the virtual version next year. We're gonna be back live. My name is Dave a lot. Keep it right there. >>Yeah.

live from Washington DC it's the cube covering booby world 19 to you by booby welcome to the cubes coverage of boomy world 2019 I'm Lisa Martin with John Fourier John it's great to be back hosting gloomy world with you in DC this year last year in Vegas this year in DC a lot of government business a lot of public sector a lot of tech for good going on in the keynotes we will be continuing to take their culture expanding this cloud mindset and service model low code data integration unified platforms boomy verts a new introduction a lot of great announcements a great company I like I'm like I like gloomy I do too the energy here is great you know Lumi world 2018 was only 11 months ago John you mentioned we were in Vegas and they have added another 1500 plus new customers now there are over nine thousand customers in 80 countries 580 partners and customers are crossing every industry I had a great opportunity to speak with about a dozen boomy customers in the last week and their Bhoomi fandom it sounds kind of silly but it's really true what they have enabled their customers to achieve like this morning we heard from American Cancer Society for example Gilead leading hotels of the world is really enabling businesses to transform yeah you know day Volante and i we started covering the big data world in 2010 when we first started the cube you know one of the things that they observe and the research was that the value was going to be created and captured by practitioners not so much the vendor selling product at that point but it was cloud computing you know the theme of Bumi is business outcomes accelerated and the big trend that's driving it is that practitioners who are launching projects of either aanchal in the cloud or on-premise premises they're the ones who are getting the value out of it so what's happening is you're seeing with the ability to start projects quickly small projects and the number of projects a company has in their digital transformation is increasing this is the mega trend and from those projects whether it's a mobile app or a SAS solution or anything it's thrown off data so what's happening is you have this trend trend of more projects with the need to get them up and running fast getting to value and that is where Bumi's kind of hit their sweet spot because they got a platform that allows people to launch projects fast small medium or large projects and get them done quickly and that's throwing off value but from the value not only is the doubling down on those projects it's the data so the unification of the data and integrating it in it really kind of is Nirvana for a business owner a developer or an application because the platform allows that to happen and that's where this new world of Cloud 2.0 is kind of hitting its stride right now and that's why companies are getting the profitability and the old model of you know get growth at all costs and losses like we see on the public markets we work in other unicorns they're just investing to take territory and the profits aren't there because they're not enabling those kinds of outcomes so I think Bumi's in a nice spot I think is a nice portfolio for Dell to have this company I think this is gonna be the next pivotal I think what pivotal did with JAL technologies was a big part of their growth I think that and they were very successful in public then they ended up getting bought back by VMware and Dell technologies I think Bumi's the next rising star in the Dell technologies portfolio they won't say that publicly they won't say it on the record they won't even admit it privately but that's kind of what's going on well when we were at Dell technology's world Jon covering the cube with two sets for three days Michael talked about Michael Dell talked about Bumi as the number one cloud integration platform and as the iPad market has evolved in the last ten years you know it's gone from needing to connect cloud to on-prem unprimed edge and Bumi's uniquely positioned as this single instance multi-tenant cloud application delivered as a service and as Chris McNab CEO of Bhumi says who will be on momentarily with us our unfair advantage is our customers and the customers are all leveraging the platforms we just talked about the outcomes with the projects but here's the other advantage that bloomie has they have a anonymized data model where they get the benefit of the collective customer base so the collective data can give them better insights and companies that are successful that have gone public recently coppa software and others these guys are using the data create more advantage for their customers again this is one of those again nuance points but that's where the value is the value is in the day to date is the new software and this is where the advantage is interesting Michael Dell is interested in Bhumi I asked him around 2014 you know outside of VMware the crown jewel of Dell I said what are you interested in and he said pivotal and he was geeking out on pivotal because he saw the value of pivotal last year I asked Michael Dell what do you want sitting down and he said Bhumi I think he sees Bhumi as a key element in that bringing the glue together for the overall dealt with technology platform well there's a great story how when Dell was acquiring many companies not too long ago Gumi was really the center of that universe for facilitating these integrations you talk about data we talk about it John at every show customers do as well whether you're calling it the new oil gold the lifeblood currency of an organization if it is siloed in hundreds of applications and a business cannot trust where's my single source of truth its value cannot be harnessed and one of the things Bhoomi does really well with master data hub is to allow I think they said there they can connect now with over 1500 endpoints like Salesforce NetSuite for example allowing customers to synchronize data between applications dramatically transforming everything from customer our employee onboarding to a call center experience yeah I mean I think the digital transformation is a topic that's been talking about ad nauseam it's been kicked around become a cliche but we look at digital transformation it's people process and technologies and the process and technology side people have good visibility and what the options are out they get cloud you've got on-premise got a lot of software software-defined stuff but the people equation is interesting we were just at Red Hat's ansible Fest last week and in the automation space on the DevOps side the people are actually getting the outcomes that they need and that value piece and we were talking about that's the third leg of the stool of digital transformation so Dell tech Gee's has boomy which hits that spot directly the people here are achieving their outcomes that they want in their projects they're getting that value that energizes the people component and helps the cultural shift on digital transformation so I think the people aspect of what boom he's doing is super critical that is the the final chapter of digital transformation people process technology processes are up being automated the technology's there it's the people equation and they're doing it you're right they are doing it and that's hard a number of customers have Bumi's that I spoke with yesterday I talked about one of the main I always say to customers what were the business differentiators what were the technical differentiators and a lot of them will talk about Bumi's cultural alignment with their own culture as really standing out considerably against their peers you and I were talking before we went live about just the atmosphere in the keynote sort of some of the the tongue-in-cheek they are really people helping other people and you get that feeling but customers are talking as well about dramatic transformations to their productivity that they actually didn't even expect to get when they said we need to integrate a sales force with a transport management system for example and whoa suddenly we are saving whatever it's X number of clicks that really starts to snowball in terms of hours saved per person per month per year yeah I think what's interesting from the keynote today is there it builds on last year's boomy where we asked Chris port the CE OS variety and the CEO as well what their what their strategy was what they're investing in they said we're investing in the product and they continue to invest in the product and now with AI and The Voice integration voice enabled our voice accessible data sets you're starting to see that integration piece go another level I think that's interesting that sets the table for the AI stuff that they're doing and I think that's gonna be again leveraging that unified data set that to me is a big deal I think that's the top story here is that you starting to see a product focus using the data having those data integration points with voice and other mediums and if they can get that right then that's a nice automation layer that's gonna be where the next level of value for bloom he's gonna be created you know and their challenge is their small team they hired 750 people in q2 of this year they're hiring more people so can they kind of keep the rocket ship going on the customer growth and again it's a SAS business model it's a unified data set so I like this I like their their fundamentals so you talk about AI and one of the big announcements came out this morning that Chris McNabb CEO talked about with Accenture is what they're doing to partner together to enable conversational AI and one of the women from eccentric who was on stage will be joining us later today and I loved how she and Chris we're talking about you know we all interact with AI whether we're calling an ISP or some sort of call center and you're screaming agent into the phone because it's really starting to frustrate you one of the things that I had a mind shift on earlier this year while covering a show for the cube was hey that's actually our opportunity as regular folks on the street to help the models learn and train and what they showed today on that fun demo was how they're actually talking to be the boom I bought about looking at you know for example employee onboarding what percent complete is that what needs to be done and how can I actually use voice recognition to get other processes within the organization across business units done I do though think what about somebody like Meryl Streep who can do all these different accents when conversational AI comes up and it's gonna recognize your voices the footprint that was one thing I thought about these people that you know that have great ability to mimic accents gonna do well and they're as big as Amazon they can get the celebrities Amazon just kept Alexa as now the voices from celebrities I think it's pretty cool I think one of the things that I think is important to talk about in this keynote was the key my key takeaway was they hit the core themes unified data set which is their value multi-cloud global customers ecosystem partners low code developer environments are changing and developing fast and data integration this is the key areas of topics and what they announced here on stage was the voice accessible data services that secure and scalable more low code conversations projects are being deployed faster and this transformation journey and I think if I look at blew me outside of those strengths I just mentioned I think they're challenged lisa is going to be can they foster the ecosystem can they build those blocking and tackling things that they need to get done in the marketplace on the go to market how see the customer growth is there can they develop that ecosystem once that ecosystem is developed then you're gonna see more more action there but it's still small then they got to do some more work I think the momentum is there and we should definitely point out that we are in DC which is symbolic for a be me just a few weeks ago in August they announced FedRAMP authorization they are one of not the first but one of the first iPad vendors in the a in the FedRAMP marketplace but something that that Chris McNabb and look at my notes here said this morning was they were the first iPads vendor to get certified in five months and their competitor I have a feeling I know who it is took 18 months so they're proud of that that really but he also said in something that we can unpack with Chris McNabb a little bit later today is that the federal certification the availability in the marketplace opens up even more opportunities not just for federal from a security from a privacy perspective yeah this is a big this is a big story I think this is gonna be a subtext because they're well they're another announcements but that FedRAMP certification in record time as you pointed out it's significant for a couple of reasons we've been following the government transformation since the CIA deal of AWS and the recent jedi contract which we've been talking a lot about really points to the modernization of the government and the procurement and the government is going through its own transformation and the ones that are being successful the ones that have all the attributes that boom he has cloud-based unified data sets security built in these are the fast track to the modern infrastructure that's what the government's doing so I'm expecting a lot of DC business I think it's kind of not a flu that they're in DC here for a reason they're here to do some business they're doing work with the veterans they're doing work with American Cancer Society other things but the government I think they're gonna do a lot of government business because once they get that certification that's going to open up a ton of business and we've seen the government is leaning towards modern architectures not the old-school Oracle's of the world so you know that is definitely changing and I think they're in a good position you brought up American Cancer Society and veterans two things that we're nearing dear to my heart and it was great see one how boomy is working with American Cancer Society their CIO was on stage he will be joining you and I this afternoon about how they are leveraging Bhumi for I think they call it service match to match cancer patients with uber and lyft drivers to get people to their treatment in back and how that was enabled by Bhumi I just thought was was the story that will resonate with every single person regardless of where you live what industry that you're in that's transformative and that's such a service that is so critical well that's that points to the validation of the trend we were just talking about that at the beginning was the trend about getting projects off the ground isn't about some IT department it could come from someone who sees an opportunity to solve a problem in the business or their mission in this case your example this is huge because the time to value is faster so it's not an IT lead thing it's a business or mission driven outcome so throwing an app together and and mashing up you know GPS and other things to provide value that's where the action is that's why there's so much action in cloud that's why boom he's doing so well because they're hitting that mark right there doesn't it's not hard to do you know time to value can be one of those as a marketer how do you actually measure that but we're seeing roles exactly it works seeing that in so many different use cases of themI in so many different industries whether it's American Cancer Society or Sky powering Internet and services for customers elisa listen this is this is a big thing that people always whitewash and they try to hide the ball on and we're now living in a transparent era of a modern infrastructure and these applications you cannot hide the ball on success it's either has value or a dozen as valuating throwing off revenue because people pay for value and if it's being used from a mission standpoint that's undeniable so what's happening now is that the new kpi's our success can be defined and you you haven't helped KPIs and dashboards and say hey are people paying for it boom top-line revenue bottom line profit usage on apps so there's no more you know people fudging the numbers or trying to hide the ball on whether a project was successful that this is a gonna change the landscape significantly it is and we're gonna unpack all of that today John we've got a whole bunch of the booming on today some partners and some customers as well so guys stick with us John and I have a grateful day packed Lisa Martin with John Fourier you're watching the cube from booming world 19