>> live from the Mandalay Bay Convention Center in Las Vegas. It's the cues covering via World 2016 brought to you by IBM Wear and its ecosystem sponsors. Now here you're Hope's Stool Minimum and John Walls. And welcome back to Las Vegas. Here on the cubicle, tear our coverage. Of'em world here. Mandalay Bay along with minimum. I'm John Woes. Thanks for joining us here for our coverage throughout the next three days. All that's happened in Vienna World. Almost 25,000 attendees to pretty good crowd. Well, I hadn't heard the number, so that would be the largest bm world ever. If we believe the numbers, so no reason not to With John Gill Martin, Who is the vice president? General manager of the integrated assistant business at VM. Where, John. Thanks for being with us once again. It's always a pleasure. Thanks for having me. You know, like you bet I am at this point. Yeah. Tell us about the vibe of the show. First off, day one things underway. A lot of excitement, I would think. Yeah, it's fantastic. You know, I think this is my 11 PM world in a row s so I've got to see a huge evolution in this program is amazing to see how much has changed over the years. Going back, you know, it used to be a server virtualization. What is this thing and where we are today? It's so different. There's a lot of excitement. People trying to figure out how to manage and deal with all the change happen in the industry right now. So, John, one of the things we're all coming into this week looking at is kind of the the cloud management suite, which is right in your area. Can you help us unpack? We looked at kind of V cloud sweet, and then there was some STD see stuff, and now it's cloud foundations. How did these things relate? Is it rebranding, Renaming, repackaging? Help us understand, Actually. So with that foundation, that's one of the key announcements we made today. The objective. There is what I think. How do we take what we have been talking about? Whats offered by Data Center and just make it easy? I don't make it easy for our customers to deploy easy for them to architect easy that even offer as a service from public cloud. That's kind of a key concept. So we are taking and integrating together the key components of softer, defined compute storage and network. There are wrapping some new capabilities to automate deployment autumn E provisioning. And so some ways is an extension, but also in evolution of what we've been doing previously. Okay, but this is still a software offering. Correct is what >> one of the components inside of that >> s O. There's four key components inside of my foundation. There's peace here, virtual sand NSX that gives you that software defined across all three domains and >> then a new component >> that we call STD. See, Manager. So what the SEC Manager does is sort of the glue that brings it all together to bring that integrated experience. It takes all the work that our customers do around you. How do I think about design? How does architect how to deploy? How'd I manage patches and upgrades over time and just automates all that inside of software so they can go from air medal systems deployed cloud infrastructure very, very quickly. So So what was the gap? You know what? What do you dress in here in terms of improvement in terms of change. You're talking about doing something a little bit differently for customers. Use a visa. What have you, But we're trying to get done it. So the key thing, just like the two key new things in this that are really different one is that just making it really easy on the private cloud side. But then we also take exactly that same sort of technologies and also work with our partners to offer it as a service. That's also the really new thing that we're doing today. So we had an announcement today with IBM as part of their IBM cloud. They're offering Cloud Foundation as a service, which >> means customers and go to a >> portal and provisioned out capacity based upon 100% consistent infrastructure. >> That means, you know, if I need some more capacity, as you have it inside my data center provisioned it out inside IBM Cloud. And now I have seen management tools, the same operations, everything I do in my data center. I can now do inside of this cloud environment. We'll extend that after other partners in the future. We'll send that out into the crowd air next quarter. This is really a great way for customers to start extending our migrating into the cloud. But do it based upon without having the architect. The applications are fundamentally change how they operate. >> Eso We've been arguing. We've been trying to figure out this hybrid cloud thing to the last few years, and there's many companies that are saying Okay, here's the software sack. You can put it in your own data center, or you can put it in some kind of public cloud environment. We see IBM does that sum. We see Oracle do that. Microsoft, of course, has azure and azure stacks coming some diamond next year. Is this The em wears answer to say OK in the data center where you know and love these fear, this is a full set, and then you can put it in IBM Soft Layer or a bunch of other writers. >> Yes, it is that concept of a consistent stack, yet a seem stacked inside the day's center, exactly the same stack outside the data center. So it is 100% consistent, right? That's part of what's really attractive about that. And then his customers think about well, what are the management tools or the cloud management platform, but I won't run on top of that. That can extend very seamlessly now across multiple environments. >> Okay, what about the interconnection between different locations? How does that >> work? So interconnections. You can take advantage of NSX and what it does around stretching, stretching, networking across environments like it's a very powerful capability to really think about it, really, as it's seamless extension of the data center. That's one of the unique capabilities and obviously with IBM has a first partner. They have almost having 50 data centers around the world, so it becomes very easy to collate. Locate your applications close to your private data center, which >> is important. So IBM is the first partner. How does this fit into, like the V Cloud their network, then, where you have thousands of >> partners already? Yeah, so they're the first Qatar network partner to offer a service, and then we expect that are working with other because our network partners to do the same offer Cloud Foundation as a service and, you know, kind of underlying that technology is this s CDC manager, which makes it easy for them as well. They go provision out these infrastructures very quickly and easily. >> Yeah, when you're about customers, what are the pain points that you were hearing from them that you were dressing? Because we take about the sophistication of technology, these of use efficiencies, high performance, all this stuff. It couldn't be any better, but obviously could have been better. So what we're hearing from them that led you to develop the new product. >> Well, the big thing is his customers were trying to think about how to the leverage public cloud is part of their architectures. You can kind of, It's pretty clear, that kind of result they want. They want to able to have an environment where their application owners and the developers sort of don't even know where things are running. They wanted to be a little bit transparent, kind of seamless. At the same time, they want to be able to have the ability to maintain control, maintain security policies, maintain operational control over the environment, have good insight into it. And so I sort of challenge that we're walking into, and your traditional infrastructure still very much stands in the way people trying to support the developers, people enterprise has spent too much time hugging components together trying to make things work together. And that's just not value added activity. It's not differentiating. It doesn't help them compete in the marketplace. And so we saw is what happened. We help them get out of that business and focus more on the things they want to do above the infrastructure layer. That's sort of the whole rationale for building a foundation was, Just take everything that they do today That's on value, out of activity. Put that in software, automated public empire the cloud and they can focus on what there is value out of business on. >> One of the challenges we've been facing in this transformation is kind of the go to market. If I think about traditionally the sphere, you know Veum. He's got a great channel partnership Lotto, EMS in the early days, and now, I mean just a huge amount of channel parts that know how to sell it, know how to make money. Cloud is a big shift for them. There's only a small percent of the channel that kind of understands this with IBM, kind of as a first partner. How do you see this playing out with kind of official panic Channel partners, service providers and the whole go to market. >> As you point out, it's clearly an evolving story. Right and different partners were kind of thinking about it in different ways. You know, there's still, you know, definitely in on premise opportunity that they're going after. But clearly having a good crowd strategy is going to be important for every reseller out there in every partner. And some of that is gonna be thinking about what are the kind of service is that you can offer your customers to help them make that transition. Yeah, if you think about you know, if I want to extend my data center, I need to migrate workloads or re architect workloads. Those types of service is I think they're going to be critical to become experts in and help customers. We think about their long term strategy. The fact is, the customers are gonna move warm or the workloads into clouds of some type over the next few years, and they're gonna need help in your advice and guidance and migration surfaces to get there. So there's a real business to go be built around those kinds of opportunities. >> Okay. Can you give us a little bit of what should we be looking for? Going forward, You know, if their customers that are running this stack already before it was called this And how do we How could we benchmark to say whether or not you're successful by the time we come back next year? >> Yeah, that's a good question. >> Tough questions, >> A challenge. So now it's a great question. So this software is gonna be available later this week, so it's actually generally available on September 1st. So it's just coming in the marketplace now. And so we've been working with Summerlee Beta customers on this over the last couple a couple of months, get great feedback and really help this steer perfectly towards this public cloud opportunity S O. I would expect as we come back in a few months, we'd be able to talk about our kind of initial lighthouse customers and how they're doing. But we see just huge interest in this right now, right? Customers want to move, and companies want to move away from kind of plugging things together. They want away from individuals, components. They really are looking to buy Seymour integrated ways. This is kind of a key enabling technology to help him do that. And we could do that also with our partners. >> Yeah, Um, one of the big challenges we've had is everybody is always like, okay, but my needs are a little bit different. So we understand that if we can eliminate diversity of the environments in the homogeneity is good, I can repeat it. I understand it. But everybody, all that you know, that's the problem with ideas. They always want to tweak it. So what do you do when they say, Oh, you know, the sand's great. But, you know, you've got all these ecosystem part partners in storage. I kind of want this storage. And it's ex. I understand some pieces. Maybe I want over. Yes, but I wanted till some other pieces. What do you do for customers that want to kind of go outside of this initial package? What kind of choice and options that they have? >> Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh so just like this year, you know, these here is sort of been the universal platform for running virtual machines and has a lot of those connections into different things, so foundation fundamentally is based on the sphere. So for the take storage, for example, no keys here can connect to external storage. We can connect national storage and on a road map for the automation software inside. We'll look at how we can take advantage of external storage and some of these things as well, so as new as we talk to customers. And we, as we learned those areas that are consistent across many, we can start to bring some of those things in tow the equation as well. This gives us a very powerful starting point, and we can look at what are the right connections out system? >> And do you still have folks who are trying to hang on to say I understand what you're doing understands the new service of a new opportunity here, But I'm not ready to cut the Courtauld away. And how do you bring them along to showing them? There are new efficiencies here and there is a better bottom line benefit to you. >> I think you know the history of I t is a history of things remaining right. So you still have a I actually feel mainframes. Eso this transition will take time. This is not gonna be on overnight time type of changes. We moved to these types of architectures that are fully suffered a find, but we made a huge amount of progress thus far. We have over 5000 customers on virtual sand. Your NSX is going incredibly fast. Both of these approved points that these are the architecture's customers are trying to move to the end of the same time. Though we have to find the right the right starting points. What is the right project to start with? This doesn't have to be a wholesale change. The data center it could be. Let's take a virtual desktop project and run now on top of that foundation must take a new invite. New server applications, unemployed run that on foundation. And just like the sphere kind of started with these use cases that expanded over time. Same thing of foundation. We could start with a project and then and that shows success to move into other projects. >> John, you've been with the, um where for quite a few years you've done two stints of the company as you hear the outside world talking about, you know, cloud and where things were going. What do you think people don't understand about bm Worse position in the cloud marketplace going forward. >> You know the one thing you know, I've talked a lot right now about Cloud Foundation, which was one of our announcements. I think the other thing that is really unique that we talked about this week is, uh, something called across Cloud Architecture and said across Cloud service Is that in addition foundation and what we're recognizing is just like with server virtualization, we were able to abstract multiple types of servers and provide consistent layer we're going to do the same. Thing is we were across multiple clouds. Even non GM were based clouds, right, working with Amazon Azure Google. And I think that's one thing that is maybe even surprising, folks. And it's very different than kind of the company strategy going back 10 years ago. So we are fully embracing that these will be part of our customer strategy in the future. We do expect to see them, but we see a unique opportunity for us to go help them when it comes to managing applications across the networking security where we have really unique assets we can help with. And also data management. Government. >> Well, John, I know you said it takes time. Transition state time. >> Still gave you a year. >> Yeah. So next year at the world will come back and the update you on the progress that we've made, >> we look forward to it. Thank you for joining us and the best left down the road. We'll see a year from now. >> Fantastic. Thank you very much. >> You bet John Gill Martin from VM where we'll be back with more from Veum World here in Vegas. Right after this, You're watching the Cube.

>> live from San Francisco, California It's the queue at PM World 2014 Brought to you by VM where Cisco, E M, C, H P and Nutanix. Now, here are your hosts John Courier and Dave Ilan. Take >> Okay. Welcome back when live in San Francisco, California v m World 2014. This is the Cube where we extract the signal in the noise. I'm John for day. Volante are 50 year here Of'em world broadcasting wall to wall. Three days of live coverage. Our next guest, John Gill Martin, GM and VP of the Supper defined Data center business unit. Welcome to the Cube. >> Thank you. Glad to be here. >> Yeah. So this is an area. That may be mean. Streams. Not on top of what we love to geek out stuffing. Find data center Two years ago. Maybe three years. Feels like 10 years ago. See your acquisition and Martine's been on multiple times. Suffer. Virtualization really has set the agenda for what's going on in the data center. And remember, it was very much a buzzword. Std. See some fun data center. But now it's becoming a reality. I want first question get your perspective. Is Where is the meat on the bone right now. This year with somebody find designer. What is materializing right now in market that's available in happening >> has been fantastic, because if you think about our customers, they're all trying to move to this notion of self service. Cloud help the developers be more agile, be more productive and soft, defined clearly the right architecture to go do that. And the last year has really brought us the last couple of pieces to go. Make that a reality, Obviously never. Fertilization is a huge component. Delivery of NSX is really brought us a kind of leaps and bounds forward around that. The adoption of that has been great and then now a virtual sand as well, just to bring soft defined into the storage space. We were seeing a tremendous amount of interest. You take all of that, you fully virtualized your infrastructure, and then you bring management on top of that automate on top of that and really, now we have the ability building self service files inside the enterprise. Start to meet the meeting with developers, and you have this kind of a self service agile idea. >> It's almost as if you change in the airplane engine out at 30,000 feet with summer defined data center, people said on the Q bond. It's very difficult, but I want to get your perspective of where the pressure points of innovation are coming from coming from the APS service containers show the app, sir, setting the agenda were close. Now diversities another variable. It used to be the infrastructure would enable on top of it. Now we seem to be rushing down from the top, and this dynamic provisioning environment seems to be this DEV ops requirement all that's in place. So how do you how do you How do we talk about the innovation of the pressure point? What are those pressure >> points? Yeah, well, as you point out, it's really about the applications and the requirements of applications. And pushing down on the infrastructure, and in particular, is you look a kind of new style cloud native applications, which tend to be a bit different than traditional laps. They asking different things the infrastructure, and that's asking. Your developers are asking to do different things than necessarily what kind of fish in a lapse of required developers are looking for portability. They're looking for agility. They're looking for a difference that a tooling really. And you know they want that experience where they go to a website that Newton A P I and programmatically spin up infrastructure. And so that's really what enterprise like the organization's now our challenge to go Dio is to go provide that type of investor, actually support that for the helpers. Technology today is fundamental to the business model of every company out there. Used to just be about back office operations. Now it's really about the marketing organization, the sales organization, product development organizations. Every part of the business depends on technology is changing business models, and therefore this is really what's asking Iike organizations to be much more responsive and to do a lot more than they initially ever have in the past to support the business, to move >> quickly. So in terms of network organization, So how much is that? A part of this new model >> in our virtual station? Cooley a critical component to this right and, you know, a super interesting. When we first brought out NSX last year, a lot of value proposition was around the speed agility. And if you look at the big cloud providers, you like the big financial firms. That was the kind of primary motivation. Initially, we still see that a lot. It's been interesting, though, the last year to start to see the value proposition for network organization really shift. And if you're looking more than mainstream now, it's really a lot about this notion of micro segmentation. This notion of how do I bring security from that used to just be in the perimeter and start to bring that inside the data center. And that's been driving a lot of the interest and be able to get security controls all way down to the PM and the application >> itself. Just on Fridays. Pregame crowd shot we had Steve Perrin chimed in, Gone. The security question. I were the big opportunity for start ups, and he said Security. Yep, and it's really not about perimeter security anymore. It's about something else. Could you describe what he means by that icy perimeter? Security was the old way. Secure the perimeter. But people are getting in. Protect the queen with a moat. What does he mean by that? And why do you say that opportunities there? >> Yeah, that's the traditional model of security. The data center is you put up this big as you said moat around the data center, and you hope that no one get over that The problem was, if someone did, then it's all exposed on the inside it. And so the notion now is how do we bring security inside the data center? Protect those applications. But in order to do that, you know that traditional models were doing that, or just two operationally complex or too expensive just can't do it. Physical systems. So the beauty of never quit realization use and start to bring that in inside the data center, bring those security controls the BM and do so in with enough automation and policy based on mation that it's operationally feasible to manage. >> Well, what about the flip side of that? When the queen wants to leave her castle, >> how do >> you secure that use case? If I'm making sense and >> I'm not sure I understand. >> So Okay, so you get queen being the data, let's say and the data by its very nature is distributed. Right? So, um, okay, protect the perimeter. That's that's not enough. Now I can go deeper inside the data center and provide tools to make it simpler to deploy. Or if Aiken, you know, find a problem faster toe to solve that problem. But it's the data starts to become dispersed. How do I create a security model on? Does this software defined data center Help me do that. Accommodate that dispersed data that distributed data model? >> Yeah, because I mean the great thing is as you bring security controls into software and set it in the hardware, then you can travel and be part of that application. And actually, as the application moves or the date of that application moves, you can tie the security policies. The application itself >> was an application centric data centers security model, >> and it's and it's a platform also that you know, an ecosystem is building on top of to go, bring even deeper set of security capabilities. And top of you talk about the startups you're talking about a second ago, you know, it's this whole platform doubted for innovation. On top of that, you could bring really interesting ways of thinking about new security. >> Two years ago, when Pat Gelsinger took over as the C E o m. C. Had a financial analyst meeting, and Pat was part of that of your new C C F O stood up and talked about tam on gave a really good Chris presentation run that. I'm sure you're seeing these slides a lot. We see them as analysts big, big opportunity for VM wear, and a huge part of that opportunity is the software to find data center. So I wanted to dig into that a little bit. Specifically, when I look at things like Tam, I say, Okay, what's the business case? Because the business case is gonna ultimately determine the degree of the rapidity of the adoption. So I want if you could talk about the business case for the software defined data center, maybe compare it to sort of phase one, which is, you know, virtualized compute. Yes, this case was enormous. It was a 10 X value proposition. Is this bigger? Similar, Smaller, twice as big when we could talk about a little bit. >> And when you say business case obviously thinking about from the customer perspective, >> Wellit's, either I'm gonna cut costs or I'm gonna create some other kind of incremental business value. Other. I'm gonna drive revenues. I'm gonna reduce cycle times or introduce the lap times timeto value, et cetera. >> Yes, that's the interesting thing is often find data centers really kind of hitting on all of those things where the key motivators is really moving faster and be able to reduce like a times instead of four weeks to deploy an application. Let's get it down to a couple of minutes. Let's be able to meet the needs of developers to do Dave off style soft development. So it's all about speed and kind of driving revenue from the back end. If you start to think about the operating expense and capital expense, so shoot with the infrastructure. You can start to address those pretty aggressively, you know, if you think about virtual sand, for example, it's all about a different operating model for deploying storage virtual machines, its applications centric and V M Central, and so you can reduce the amount of time that initiators of spending, managing infrastructure and get them focused on the energy and kind of applications. So, one way to address topics, or if you think about the capital expense, what we see now you've done quite a bit of analysis is by virtual izing network fertilizing storage you can actually get down to anywhere between I think it's 35 49% reduction in the total capital expense of building your data center. So really significant opportunities to reduce costs both on the operating expense side through automation, but also the capital expense side by moving more intelligence into the hardware itself so that just like with virtualization, if you go back, you know, 5 10 years virtualization was a very simple capital expense story here. Now, where we have a story that's well, much broader than that, but still inclusive all those kind of capital expense benefits. >> I gotta ask you about competition. Just chicken out. What's going on around the conversations? Um, obsolete VM where staking their claim out Amazon on one front. But Microsoft's a player in the enterprise. So what do you guys do? These of the Microsoft partner frenemy. They're in there and start stuff. Our players got plowed. So how do you guys look at those guys? You guys too far down S o. >> You know, with Microsoft? Yeah. At this point, we still are. Let's see ourselves. It's really kind of leading the way around sort of virtual ization. And that's really been the kind of core in the foundation which we started from, and we still have tremendous set of capabilities there. And so that's kind of a starting point. And then you build off on everything we're doing around network fertilization, everything you're doing around soft defined storage, really a very differentiated set of capabilities and your eyes really unique set of capabilities from be able to build that whole virtualized infrastructure, then your episode of management capabilities on that that are increasingly header genius in nature. And we have this ability to kind of extend the data center in unique ways, you know, managing automated here but extended after the cloud as well. So pretty powerful set of kind of technology. >> Car legend Box said that VM wears it is a data center automation company. Um, should he added orchestration to that, too, or talk about that. What is data center automation company mean? Because he's referring to the South to find a descent course cloud certainly is automation, orchestration and the cloud, but from your in your world What does that mean? >> Automation is really about taking a lot of the manual activities that United Administrator or anybody else who's spending time infrastructures does. And let's run that in software. And that's not tie ourselves to operations that are specific, proprietary pieces of hardware. Let's get to a model where everything could be automated through software. We could get the scalable models of deployments and operations naturally, what automation means. Automation then allows you to start to move at the speed of business rather than being tied to the kind of infrastructure in the hardware and everything else underneath. >> So the other quote from Carl was awesome, by the way. Great interview, he said. How glad the customers still on friend. Okay, I buy that you have a zillion customers, a lot of Amon prim. Why not private club or private cloud is today? Or his private cloud, the halfway house or a way station to the hybrid cloud? So talk about that dynamic. You know, summer defined data center at the end of the day could be software driven. The end of the day is still a data center. You still have a data center somewhere where the damn ploughed or on Prem talk about that on premise dynamic. Yeah, >> so, yeah. Ultimately, if you think about kind of hybrid Cloud hybrid Cloud is really the combination of assets that you own inside the data center, along with assets. They're sitting someplace else. And you know, the motivations for that are I want to be able to think about how do I optimized? I want to think about how Doe I optimize my choices, a placement for projects that are either short lived, etcetera. And so there's a set of applications or projects where makes sense to go rent capacity. But if you actually look at the total total cost of ownership inside the data center, you can actually get too much better economics by owning the assets yourself, building on top. So there's definitely a ongoing and continued rule for the private cloud. But there's a very clear you said the use cases for extending periodically into the hybrid cloud. So, really, you know, let's combine both of those that could boast best of both. So let's do that away that seamless. So we really treat the management. The operations of everything is the same, regardless of whether it's inside or outside, right? >> So I mean the buzzword. Bingos all getting resect is the new new new names Air coming out of that re naming convention? I gotta ask you about kind of specifically around the suite that Pat talks about talks with sweet. So I just don't understand how that parses out relative the hyper conversion and describe to the folks what is hyper converge. That's the new buzzword I know. I know. Hyper scale is a hyper scale with convergence. Is that Web scale? So what you guys to find hyper converged as hyper >> converged is, in our mind, really kind of the coming together of prescriptive hardware definition with software that's preinstalled on tightly integrated so that it's really easy to get to time to die So you could get up running virtual machines in less than 15 minutes and do that all with kind of a prescriptive design, guidance, prescriptive kind of price understanding and a single support organization that call and get support. If you need help on, that's really >> built definition right here, up and running with >> 15 minutes right and one of the key enabler. So that is the sphere and other key enablers virtual sand and really building all that and types of inside. One of these kind of off the show, >> called Converge, Prepackaged, converge on purpose, built, converged essentially. But that's where it's going, right? That would be me. That's >> where it's headed, right? And it's so it's really about making it easy for an organization to get up and running, get person machines deployed super quickly on, then be able to expand that in a building block way that's expand very quickly and easily. >> John Gill Martin is the V P and general manager. Somebody find business unit for the M. Where, um, tell the folks out there the last word he had in the segment. Um, what's the biggest misconception of summer defined data center in context? Of'em, where >> I think the biggest misconception is that it's something that's far into the future. The reality is this is something that people are doing today. Technology exists. We can build this, and you know this is the way in the architecture that everyone's headed down doors. >> And what's the one thing that you could share that they might not know about you guys? It's a very positive thing. >> Well, you know, I hopefully people saw all the announcements and work we're doing around open staff, for example, Really looking to bring these types of open a pea eye's been a neutral AP eyes on top of this soft to find platform. And yeah, that's a big news item for us. I wanna make sure that everybody saw that. It's a big part of Webber Head >> Open Stack and Dr Too Big Documents. Relevant news pieces exactly. Gives the app developers essentially access to infrastructure without being infrastructure. Guys. Right, that's fundamentally >> again helping enterprise guys set up in infrastructure that developers can access. Programmatically. That's >> John Gill Martin inside the Cube. We're here live in San Francisco for the emerald 2014. I'm John for what David wanted right back after this short break

(upbeat electronic. music) >> Announcer: Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE covering VMworld 2017 brought to you by VMware and it's Ecosystem partners. >> Hi, I'm Stu Miniman here with Keith Townsend and you're watching theCUBE's broadcast of VMworld 2017. One of our guests earlier this week called this set the punk rock set and one of my guests here in a preview said that this is going to be the battle of the baldies (laughter) so I'm really happy to bring two leaders of two of the hottest topics being discussed this week, welcoming back to the program Dom Delfino of course representing NSX and Security at NSBU and Lee Caswell from the vSAN Team. Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us. >> Stu, how are you, buddy? >> I'm doing phenomenal. Dom, are you making network great again, yet? >> It's fantastic again now. We're making network fantastic again. >> Yeah and I expected you to show up a little more bling because we were talking Silicon Valley. Your group is reaching the three commas of a billion dollars. >> Dom: That's right. >> So let's start there, NSE when it was bought a few years back, over a million dollars. SDN was something that we all in the networking world was talking about and things have changed. I don't hear SDN talked at this show, it's real customers, real deployments, pretty good scale. The interconnected fabric if you will for VM's cloud strategy. >> Yep, absolutely. So Stu, these major transformational shifts in the industry take time, right? You know, you're not going to undo what you've done for the last 25, 30 years in a month or a quarter or a year and I think what you saw initially was adoption of NSX or automation of network provisioning. Then what you saw second to that was microsegmentation as a defense in depth strategy for our customers and now you see the multi data center moving into the hybrid cloud. vRNI is a service, NSX is a service, App Defense, layering additional security capabilities on top of that and as our production customers sort of adopted it in the beachhead methodology operationalized it, you see additional follow on adoptions. We've got one customer running 18 data centers on NSX today so this is becoming more and more mainstream and as you look at our approach moving forward in terms of where we are and the software defines us in our journey, how that connects to our strategy for VMC on AWS or VMC on Blue Mix. You saw Agredo Apenzeller yesterday demonstrate crossed into Microsoft Azure. When was the last time you thought you'd see that at VMworld, huh? >> Hey Lee, I got to bring you in here. (laughter) It's funny, I've lived in the storage world. >> I thought this was a storage show. >> And now we're tech people throwing all these acronyms. >> I know, they're so excited. >> And you know because come on, NSX is not simple. Who's the one that's saving customers money so that they can buy all of these? >> NSX is a great value, but vSAN pays for the ride, right? >> Here we go, right? >> They do. We'll happily accept it. >> I mean, we're consolidating storage in a way that basically brings back the magic of consolidation, right? The first time you consolidated, people called it magic because you consolidated servers, bought shared storage and had money left over, right? Now we're doing the same thing again, right, with now storage, right? What's interesting is is this is a huge career path gain for the virtualization administrator. >> Wow, so talking about being disruptive, vSAN. You know, I've got to rib you guys a little bit at the dodge ball tournament benefiting Unoria, the vSAN team lost to the Dell EMC team, so. >> Can you imagine? And did you see how valiant we were? >> Dom: You guys fall hard. >> You fall hard. (laughter) >> You looked like you could have used a little youth on that team, by the way, Lee. >> So a lot of competition, you walked the show floor. >> Lee: Yeah. >> This, we usually call this storage world. I think it's fair to say it's HCI world now. >> Lee: It's amazing, right? >> How is vSAN fitting into the larger ecosystem? >> You know, we announced, Pat said we have over 10,000 customers now, right? And yet VMware has hundreds of thousands of customers right? So we're just getting started here and what you're finding is the two assets to bring to this party are a hypervisor or a server. >> Keith: Right. >> Right, you don't have either one of those, it's going to be very difficult because if you go back and you'll appreciate this, right? You remember a Type 2 hypervisor? >> Yep, vaguely. I almost wrote about it, like wait, they don't even exist anymore, do they? >> Well, Workstation still, right? If you start thinking, right, that was a hypervisor on a guest, right? And so what happened though, as soon as these XI came out, right, integrated the compelling performance advantages, the resource utilization and then the idea that hey, I got a common management through vCenter, right? That's what's playing right now is users are trying to find leverage and scale, how do I do that and that's where we've just seen a massive adoption of ECM. >> Alright, one of the reasons we brought the two of you together though is because while peanut butter and chocolate are great on their own, the cloud foundation. >> Dom: I have the whole sandwich now, Stu. >> Yes, yes, so you know Cloud Foundation, NSX might be the interconnective fabric between all of them. Cloud Foundation is that solution, there's a whole business unit, put that together and drive that, so talk about how you feed that solution, how that changes the way you think about it. >> Probably the most interesting thing and I've only had the vSAN team for six months but I think the most interesting thing for me and vSAN is it scales downmarket very well as well, so we have massive enterprise customers, right, who have large global deployments of vSAN but you can take vSAN, put it on three nodes and see value out of that, right? And I think when you look at, you know, this is the year of cloud reality I'm calling it now, Stu, right? That's what's happened here this weekend at VMworld. When you look at that I think the most fundamental thing the customers are taking out of this week is my private cloud has to be as good as the public cloud offering, okay? Now if you're a Fortune 1,000 customer you certainly have a lot of resources, a lot of talent, a lot of expertise, a lot of history, and potentially a lot of budget to throw at that problem. But if you're a mid-market customer, right? And you look at I need to build a private cloud that's fast and easy, right? Which was the two primary reasons to adopt public cloud, you have a good place to start with Cloud Foundation and I think it's just the beginning so you get vSphere, you get NSX, you get vSAN, and you get SDDC Manager to do life cycle management, certainly you could layer vRealize on top of that for automation, orchestration, provisioning and self service as well and it really allows everybody to start to take advantage of the capabilities that only existed in the major cloud providers before on-prem and their own data center so I think as you look at Cloud Foundation and I'm working very closely with John Gilmartin on this, moving forward, it is going to become the basic foundational element, pun intended, right, for many of the VMware offerings moving forward as we turn into next year, that we'd look at this very closely and we have a lot of plans as that being the base to build off of in terms of how we help our customers get to this private cloud. >> Lee, I need to hear your perspective because some of this Cloud Foundation, there's got to be some differences when you talk about some of the deployment models whether where I'm doing it, how I'm doing it, VMC, the VMware managed cloud I guess on AWS, VMware on AWS something getting a lot of buzz. You know, everybody's digging into to it. What's it do today, what's it going to do in the future? >> Well, you know I thought it was really impressive when Andy Jassy got up and basically said, "We've been faced with a minor choice." Customers want these to be integrated, right? And the second day was Google, right? Talking about how we're taking developer tools, right, and making them common, so that element. Now storage people think that the strategic engagement with the cloud is about data, right? >> Stu: Right. >> Putting a VM in the cloud, I mean that's a credit card transaction, but once you put your first byte of data into the cloud, now you take on sovereignty issues, you think about performance and where you're going to get guaranteed ihovs out of it. You start thinking about how am I going to move that data? It's not fast or free or as anyone who has emailed a video knows, right, so you start thinking that it's the data elements and now what's really powerful and we saw some of this in the demos in general session. Once you have a common data structure, we call it dSAN, right, all the way from the edge into the data center of virtual private cloud then into the public cloud, now I've got the opportunity to have this really flexible fluid system, right? All virtualized, it's so powerful, right? About how I can manage that and we think, it'll be interesting, does the virtualization administrator then become the cloud administrator, right? >> So then, let's expand that one, vSAN everywhere. vSAN in the AWS, vSAN in vCAN, vSAN in my own data center. How do I protect that data? That seems just, is this where NSX comes in? How do I protect that data? >> Can we let Lee talk the security first? >> Where's the security, is the security in vSAN? >> Cause I know Dom >> We'll let Lee go first and then I'll correct him, okay? (laughter) >> Well, I mean you start with a security like encryption on the data, right? I mean one of the things why vSAN's so portable is because there is no hardware dependency. I mean, we're using like all, we support all different servers, there's no proprietary cards or anything, right, to stick in these servers so we can go run that software wherever. Now, we're also then as a result doing software encryption with our latest release on 6.6 software encryption allows us to use common key management partners, right, and so we use those partners including iTrust, Vales, FlowMetric, and others and now you can have key management regardless of where your data resides, so we start there but then what customers say really quickly, right, is if I start moving something, they say, "NSX help me out, right?" >> So I think Lee took to a very critical part of it, the ability to encrypt that data at rest and you know, as it transits, there's really three elements to this, it's the data itself, which we say that 6.6 introduced, right, the ability to encrypt that data, microsegmentation and upcoming DNE to both protect and encrypt that data while it's in flight and now if you look at that App Defense strategy, right, it's to secure that data while it's being processed as well at the host level up at the application layer, so I think Stu this just continues to be a huge challenge for our customers. Particularly with the breeches, we saw what happened with Wannacry, with Pedia, with non-Pedia, the different versions of that, Electric Blue and all. >> Stop, you know, your boss who's on theCUBE on the other set right now said, "As an industry, we have failed you." Pat Gelson gave the keynote, so when we're solving it, you know we're going to have like next year I expect both of you to have this all fixed. >> One of these, you asked like with all the HCI enthusiasts that are out there in many companies, you know, how do we differentiate? Well, part of it is this is not just a drop in a little box, right, someplace, right? This is how do you go and modernize your data center, basically tie into the complete software stack and regardless of the timing in which you're going to go and deploy that, right, if you're going to deploy the full stack today, that's a VMware cloud foundation, awesome, if you want to go start with vSAN, great, and then add in other pieces, or you can start with NSX. In any event, the common management is the piece that we really think is going to go and set us apart, right, as a part of it's an infrastructure play, not just a point component. >> So? >> Hold on I want to let Don finish. >> Stu, I think three years ago if we sat down here and told you you're going to encrypt your software defined storage, in software, no hardware requirements, I probably would have said I was nuts for saying that and you definitely would have said I was nuts for saying that so this is critical and we are hyper-focused on solving this problem and what customers have to recognize is that you have to make some foundational architectural changes in order to fix this problem and if you don't it's not going away, it's only going to get worse. >> So, I took a peep in at FUTURE:NET. First off, VMware does an awesome job of this conference within a conference. >> Isn't it fun? >> It is fun, a little bit over my head at times, which we have to be getting that same reaction from the CIOs that this stuff even when we're taking stuff that we know very well, Vmware or vSphere, starting with that, adding on vSAN, again the conversation, Dom, we can encrypt at both network and compute and storage? That's a little deep, but now we're talking about this crosscloud conversation that FUTURE:NET is most definitely addressing. How is that conversation going with customers? Are they finally starting to get their arms around the complexity of the situation? >> Absolutely Keith, because when you look at our multi-data center functions of NSX that we introduced back in NSX 6.2 at VMworld two years ago, three years ago, I'm getting long in the tooth here, so I can't remember times anymore. Those were the foundational elements for the components of crosscloud today so many customers who started the NSX journey with one use case and one data center and expanded it horizontally and then down through a number of use cases and then across to another data center are already taking advantage of those crosscloud functionalities from private data center to private data center. Now we've just taken them and extended them into Google Cloud, Azure, and AWS as well. So the customers who've been on this journey with us from the beginning have seen this step by step and it doesn't really seem like a big leap to them already. Now obviously if you haven't been on that journey it seems like you know, hey can you guys really do this and yeah, we've been doing it from private data center to private data center, now we're just bringing that capability to public data center and certainly the partnership with Amazon is a tremendous help to that as well. >> Yeah, when customers are buying into these solutions, and I know you like to look at it as a platform, so let's look out a little bit. I want you to talk a little bit about what we should expect from the future, if it makes edge computing kind of IoT is a big one, I have to expect that both of you have a play there, so? >> I guess I'll touch on that in two pieces so you sort of see us extending this up a little bit initially with PKS with pivotal container services, with Kubernetes on BOSH and the ability to do rolling upgrades and NSX is embedded in that solution, right, it's not a built-on offering, it's natively part of that for all the reasons that we talked about earlier and we see a lot of opportunities as it relates to edge computing, right, and I think this is something that, wasn't it file computing like seven years ago, Stu? >> Your former employer was one that was pushing that. >> Dom: Oh okay, yeah what happened to that? >> Yeah I have heard it come back from data center to cloud. >> I'm just needling you Stu, we didn't need to get into that. >> But you know, terminology does matter, but I hear your point. >> So I think A. IoT is the biggest security challenge that we face, right? >> Stu: Yep. >> That's number one. If you think it's bad now it's about to get a lot worse with the wholesale adoption of IoT. I think that when you look at the remote office, the branch office, what's going on with the transition with wide area networking right now, I think there's a tremendous opportunity there. Clearly we have a play where you can provide sort of a branch in a box with our technology but I think there's a lot of things you'll see coming from us in the near term as far as innovation that we can do there to really enhance edge computing as it relates to IoT and certainly our user computing platform with Horizon Air of the Legacy AirWatch venture, is an important part of securing those edge devices as well. >> Lee? >> On the vSAN side, this week we announced the HDI Acceleration Kit and that's basically a way to take advantage of single socket servers, right? And one of the things we're seeing for bandwidth reasons and economics you don't want to have everything centralized so the ability, particularly in an IoT environment, but also in retail or robo, if you've got hundreds of stores there's no way to put a sandbox and a fiber channel switch in separate storage and scale that, right? So what we're doing is we've got a very cost-effective license, right, incredible where you can get with hardware now, you can go and drop in a three node fully configured vSAN plus vSphere for under 25K. Drop it in, now you've got a virtualized environment, unlimited VMs, this sort of thing where we're helping basically bring the accelerating the adoption using HDI of enterprise modern infrastructure outside the data center. >> So last question around customer adoption and again, assessments of this model. The push, I think 816Z said that the edge is going to eat loud computing. Where do you guys see in the real world, the ground, is it a push towards the cloud or is it this combination of doing? >> In my experience, right and this is like an accordion, right, it goes in, it goes out it goes in, it goes out, why? Well it goes in and out based on economics and bandwidth. Right, so you start looking and saying, now until HDI came out, it just wasn't really feasible to put enterprise infrastructure at the edge, right? >> Keith: Right. >> So things were centralized, right? Well now, right, now we start distributing again, right? The cloud is an example of more centralized, right? But I think we're going to see both, right? And you're going to see this what's particularly interesting right now is right, the new advances in media, CPUS, low-latency networks makes it possible to use these I call it the serverization of storage, but really it's a serverization of the modern data center, right, and which by the way is common to how clouds are built. >> But does that mean the overall IT management or complex, as I build it out that control plane. >> I'll give you an example from this morning. I was meeting with one of the largest banks, right? And they were looking at HDI, they've used a lot of stance ORKS in the past and do you know what he asked at the end? "Could you give me the ORK charts of customers "in my scale who are using HDI?" >> Stu: Yeah. >> Because I want to go figure out how I hyper-converge my team. We'll never be fast until we go and get teams that are working more closely together where they start from the VM level and then they look at the network attributes and the storage attributes and the compute attributes. That's going to speed up everything. >> And I think Lee is 100% spot on there and every customer I've talked to this week, you have to make the transition to an infrastructure team, not a network team, a storage team, a security team, you're an infrastructure team, and this is why the app developers have been going around you, right? And this is why you have Shadow IT, it's because they want fast and simple and they don't want to have to deal with four different people, right? They don't want to have to deal with a serialization of a deployment that they're left waiting for the lag for and I think in terms of the edge computing, I think you related it to one of the conversations by Andreessen Horowitz. I think that might differ a little bit in the consumer space and in the enterprise space as well so it may be the case in the consumer space that it erodes some functionality from the cloud, particularly on the IoT side of things as well, driverless cars and things of that nature where it makes sense that if you get disconnected that you still need to have some computing capacity so you don't crash, right Lee? Crashing is not good. But I think the behavioral change, the people change, the mindset change is much more challenging than the technological change. Everything you haven't done before seems complicated until you actually do it, right? >> Alright well, we talked a lot to customers. Actually some of that organizational change is helping them to tackle things like those new architectures. Security is one that is I've been leaving it for too long and now absolutely front of the table. Don Delfino, Lee Caswell, always a pleasure to catch up with both you. >> Always a pleasure. >> Hope it lived up to your expectations that we brought the heat. Keith Townsend, I'm Stu Miniman. You're watching theCUBE, back with lots more coverage here from VMworld 2017. Thank you for watching the CUBE. (light electronic music)