>>Hey, welcome to the Cubes coverage of Red Hat Summit 2021, the virtual experience, I'm lisa martin, I have two guests joining me. One is a cube alum kamal Shah is back, he's now the VP of cloud platforms at Brent had come on, it's great to have you back on the program. You're in a new role, we're going to talk about that. Thank you. And Kirsten newcomer is here as well. She's the Director of cloud and Death stickups strategy at Red Hat, Kirsten, Welcome and thank you for bringing the red hat vibe to the segment. >>Absolutely, very happy to be here. >>So looking forward to this conversation that we're going to be having in the next 20 minutes or so. We're gonna be talking about the last time come on, you were on, you were the ceo of stack rocks In January of 2021. The announcement that red hat plans to acquire stack rocks, it wouldn't be talking all about that. But I'd like to start with Kirsten, give us your perspective from red hats perspective, why is red hat a good fit for stack rocks? >>You know, there are so many reasons first of all as as you know, right? Red hat has been working with product Izing kubernetes since kubernetes one dato. Right, so so open shift three dato shipped with kubernetes one dot Oh, so we've been working with kubernetes for a long time, stack rocks embraces kind of is kubernetes native security embraces the declarative nature of kubernetes and brings that to security. Red hats, Custer's red hat enterprise customers, we have a great set across different verticals that are very security conscious and and during my five years at red hat, that's where I spend the majority of my time is talking with our customers about container and kubernetes security. And while there's a great deal of security built in to open shift as it goes to market out of the box, customers need the additional capabilities that stack rock springs. Historically, we've met those needs with our security partners. We have a great ecosystem of security partners. And with the stack rocks acquisition, we're now in a position to offer additional choice. Right. If a customer wants those capabilities from Red hat tightly integrated with open shift, we'll have those available and we continue to support and work with our broad ecosystem of security partners. >>Excellent customers always want choice. Come on. Give me your perspective. You were at the helm the ceo of stack rocks as you were last time you were on the cube. Talk to me about the redhead acquisition from your seat. >>Yeah. So as as Kirsten mentioned, we were partners of red hat. You're part of the red hat partner ecosystem. And uh, what we found is that was both a great strategic fit and a great cultural fit between our two companies. Right? And so the discussions that we had were how do we go and quickly enable our customers to accelerate their digital transformation initiatives to move workloads to the cloud, to containerized them, to manage them through kubernetes and make sure that we seamlessly addressed their security concerns. Right? Because it continues to be the number one concern for large enterprises and medium sized enterprises and frankly any enterprise that uh, you know, uh, working out today. So, so that was kind of the impetus behind it. And I must say that so far the the acquisition has been going on very smoothly. So we had two months in roughly and everybody and has been very welcoming, very collaborative, very supportive. And we are already working hand in hand to to integrate our companies and to make sure that we are working closely together to make our customers successful. >>Excellent. We're gonna talk about that integration in a second. But I can imagine challenging going through an acquisition during a global pandemic. Um but that is one of the things that I think lends itself to the cultural alignment. Kamal that you talked about, Kirsten. I want to get your perspective. We know we talk about corporate culture and corporate culture has changed a lot in the last year with everybody or so many of us being remote. Talk to me about kind of the core values that red hat and stack rocks share >>actually, you know, that's been one of the great joys doing during the acquisition process in particular, Kamal and and ali shared kind of their key values and how they um how they talked to talk with their team And some of the overlap was just so resonated so much for all of us. In particular the sense of transparency, uh, that the, that the team the stack rocks executive team brings and approaches. That's a that's a clear value for red hat um strongly maintained. Uh, that was one of the key things the interest in um uh, containers and kubernetes. Right. So the technology alignment was very clear. We probably wouldn't have proceeded without that. But again, um and I think the investment in people and the independence and the and the strong drive of the individuals and supporting the individuals as they contribute to the offering so that it really creates that sense of community um and collaboration that is key. Uh and and it's just really strong overlap in in cultural values and we so appreciated that >>community and collaboration couldn't be more important these days. And ultimately the winner is the customers. So let's dig in. Let's talk about what stack rocks brings to open shift Kirsten take it away >>man. So as I said earlier, um so I think we we really believe in continuous security at red hat and in defense and depth. And so when we look at an enterprise kubernetes distribution that involves security at the real core os layer security and kubernetes adding the things into the distribution, making sure they're there by default, that any distribution needs to be secured to be hardened, auditing, logging, identity, access management, just a wealth of things. And Red hat has historically focused on infrastructure and platform security, building those capabilities into what we bring to market stack rocks enhances what we already have and really adds workload protection, which is really when it comes down to it. Especially if you're looking at hybrid cloud, multi cloud, how you secure, not just the platform, but how you secure your workloads changes. And we're moving from a world where, you know, you're deploying anti virus or malware scanners on your VMS and your host operating system to a world where those work clothes may be very short lived. And if they aren't secured from the get go, you miss your opportunity to secure them right? You can't rely on, you know, you do need controls in the infrastructure but they need to be kubernetes native controls and you need to shift that security left. Right? You never patch a running container. You always have to rebuild and redeploy if you patch the running container the next time that container images deployed, you've missed, you've lost that patch. And so the whole ethos the whole shift left. The Deb sec ops capabilities that stack rock springs really adds such value. Right? You can't just do DEF SEc or set cops. You need to do a full infinity loop to really have def SEc ops and stack rocks. I'm gonna let Kamal tell you about it, but they have so many capabilities that that really drive that shift left and enable that closed loop. We're just so excited that they're part of our offerings. >>So can you take us through that? How does stack rocks facilitate the shift left? >>Yeah, absolutely. So stack rocks, which we we announced at summit is now being rebranded as red hat. Advanced cluster security was really purpose built to help our customers address the use cases across the entire application lifecycle. Right? So from bill to deploy to run time. So this is the infinite loop that Kirsten mentioned earlier and one of our foundations was to be kubernetes native to ensure that security is really built into the application is supposed to bolt it on. So specifically, we help our customers shift left by securing the supply chain and we're making sure that we identifying vulnerabilities early during the build process before they make it to a production environment. We helped them secure the infrastructure by preventing miS configurations again early in the process because as we all know, MIS configurations often lead to breaches at at runtime. Right? We help them address uh compliance requirements by ensuring that we can check for CS benchmarks are regulatory requirements around the C I P C I, hip hop and this and and that's uh you know, just focusing on shift left, doesn't really mean that you ignore the right side or ignore the controls you need uh when your applications are running in production. So we help them secure that at runtime by identifying preventing breaches the threat detection, prevention and incident response. >>That built in security is you both mentioned that built in versus bolt on Kirsten? Talk to me about that, that as really kind of a door opener. We talked a lot about security issues, especially in the last year. I don't know how many times we've talked about miS configurations leading to breaches that we've seen so many security challenges present in the last year. We talked to me a little bit Kirsten about >>what >>customers appetites are for going. All right now, I've got cloud native security, I'm going to be able to, I'm going to feel more comfortable with rolling out production deployments. >>It's, it's a great place to go. So there are a number of elements to think about. And if I could, I could, I could start with by building on the example that Kamal said, Right, So when we think about um I need to build security into my pipeline so that when I deliver my containerized workloads, they're secure. What if I miss a step or what if a new vulnerability is discovered after the fact? Right. So one of the things that stack rocks or redhead a CS offers is it has built in policy checks to see whether a container or running image has something like a package manager in it. Well, a package manager can be used to load software that is not delivered with the container. And so the idea of ensuring that you are including workload, built in workload, protect locks with policies that are written for you. So you can focus on building your applications. You don't necessarily have to learn everything there is to know about the new attack vectors that are really just it it's new packaging, it's new technology. It's not so much there are some new attack vectors, but mostly it's a new way of delivering and running your applications. That requires some changes to how you implement your security policies. And so ensuring that you have the tools and the technology that you're running on have those capabilities built in. So that when we have conversations with our security conscious customers, we can talk with them about the attack vectors they care about. We can illustrate how we are addressing those particular concerns. Right? One of them being malware in a container, we can look for stack. Rocks can look for a package manager that could be used to pull in, you know, code that could be exploited and you can stop a running container. Um, we can do deeper data collection with stack rocks. Again, one of the challenges when you're looking at moving your security capabilities from a traditional application environment is containers come and go all the time. In a kubernetes cluster nodes, your servers can come and go in a cloud native kubernetes cluster, right? If you're running on on cloud public cloud infrastructure, um, those things are the nodes are ephemeral to, they're designed to be shut down and brought back up. So you've got a lot more data that you need to collect and that you need to analyze and you need to correlate the information between these. Right? I no longer have one application stack running on one or more VMS, it's just things are things are moving fast so you want the right type of data collection and the right correlation to have good visibility into your environment. >>And if I can just build on that a little bit. The whole idea here is that these policies really serve as god rails right for the developers. So the it allows developers to move quickly to accelerate the speed of development without having to worry about hundreds of potential security issues because there are guardrails that will notify that with concrete recommendations early in the process. And the analogy I often use is that you know the reason we have breaks in our cars, it's not to slow us down but to allow us to go faster because we know we can slow down when we need to write. So similarly these policies are really it's really designed to accelerate the speed of development and accelerate digital transformation initiatives that our customers are embarking on >>and come on. I want to stick with you on the digital transformation front. We've talked so much about how accelerated that has been in the last year with everything going on in such a dynamic market. Talk to me Kamal about some of the feedback that you've gotten from stack rocks customers about the acquisition and how it is that maybe that facilitator of the many pivots that businesses have had to do in the last year to go from survival mode to thriving business. >>Yeah. Yes, absolutely. The feedback from all of our customers bar none has been very very positive. So it's been it's allowed us to invest more in the business and you know, we publicly stated that we are going to invest more in adding more capabilities. We are more than doubling the size of our teams as an example. And really working hand in hand with our uh the broader team at Red had to uh further accelerate the speed of development and digital transformation initiatives. So it's been extremely positive because we're adding more resources, We're investing more. We're accelerating the product roadmap uh based on uh compared to what we could do as a, as a start up as you can imagine. And and the feedback has been nothing but positive. So that's kind of where we are today. And what we're doing with the summit is rolling out a new bundle called open shift uh, Open shift platform plus, which includes not just Red hat A CS which used to be Stock rocks, but also red hat open shift hybrid cloud platform as well as Red hat advanced uh container cluster management, ACM capabilities as well as create the container registry. So we're making it easier for our customers to get all the capabilities that they need to for the drive digital transformation initiatives to get. It goes back to this whole customer centric city team that red hat has, that was also core value of stack rocks and and the winner and all of this, we believe ultimately is our, our our customers because that's where we exist to serve them, >>right. And I really like that if I could chime in kind of on top of that a little bit. Um so, so I think that one of the things we've seen with the pandemic is more of the red Hat customers are accelerating their move to public cloud and away from on premises data centers. Uh and and you know, that's just part partly because of so many people working remotely. Um it just has really pushed things. And so with Hybrid cloud becoming even more key to our joint customer base and by hybrid cloud, I mean that they have some environments that are on premises as they're making this transition. Some of those environments may stay that footprint may stay on premises, but it might be smaller, they may not have settled on a single public cloud. They could, in fact, they often are picking a public cloud based on where their development focuses. Google is very popular for ai and ml workloads. Amazon of course is just used, you know, by pretty much everybody. Um and then Azzurri is popular with um a subset of customers as well. And so we see our customers investing in all of these environments and stack rocks red hat A CS like open shift runs in all these environments. So with open shift platform plus you get a complete solution that helps with multi cluster management with a C. M with security across all of these environments, right? You can take one approach to how you secure your cluster, how you secure your workloads, how you manage configurations, You get one approach no matter where you're running your containers and kubernetes platform when you're doing this with open shift platform plus. So you also get portability. If today you want to be running an amazon maybe tomorrow you need to spin up a cluster in google, you can do that if you're working with the K s or G K E, you can or a Ks, you can do that with red hat a CS as well. So we really give you everything you need to be successful in this move and we give you back to that choice word, right? We give you the opportunity to choose and to migrate at the speed that works for you. >>So that's simplicity. That streamlining. I gotta ask you the last question here in our last couple of minutes. Come on, what's the integration process been like? as we said the acquisition just a couple of months in. But talk to me about that integration process. What that's been like? >>Yeah, absolutely. So as I mentioned earlier, the process has been very smooth so far, so two months in and it's largely driven by the common set of culture and core values that exists between our two companies. And so uh you know, from a product standpoint, we've been working hand in hand because I mentioned earlier, we were partners are working hand in hand on accelerating the road map the joint roadmap that we have here uh from a go to market perspective teams are well integrated. We are going to be rolling out the rolling out the bundle and we're gonna be rolling out additional uh options for our customers. We've also publicly announced that will be open sourcing uh red hat A. C. S. Uh formerly known as Stock Rock. So stay tuned for further news and that announcement. And, and so you know, uh, again two months and everybody's been super collaborative. Super helpful, super welcoming. And the team is the well settled and we're looking forward to now focusing on our primary objective is just to make sure that our customers are successful. >>Absolutely. That customer focus is absolutely critical. But also so is the employee experience. And it sounds like we both talked about the ethos and the and the core value alignment. They're probably being pretty critical to doing an integration during a very challenging time globally. I appreciate both of you joining me on the program today, sharing what's going on stack rocks now asks the opportunities for customers to have that built in cuBA and the security. Thanks so much for your time. >>Thank you. Thank >>you for Camel shaw and Kirsten newcomer. I'm lisa martin. You're watching the cubes coverage of Red Hat Summit, The virtual experience. Mhm

>> Live from San Francisco. It's the cube covering IBM thing twenty nineteen brought to you by IBM. >> Welcome back. We're here in Moscow, named North for IBM. Think twenty nineteen. I'm stupid. I'm unhappy. Toe. Welcome back to the program. A cube alone. Dave Russell, who is the vice president of enterprise strategy with Team and IBM partner Dave. Thanks so much for joining us. >> Hey, thank you for having against two. >> All right, S o. You know, big thing we're talking about here of the show. It's hybrid cloud. It's multi cloud and IBM, you know, spent, you know, big money to make acquisitions in the space to be there. Multi club. Something I've been hearing from theme for a number of years. Talk to us about kind of the relevant. Why beams here at this show? And we'll get into it from there. >> Yeah, absolutely. You know, So I've been traveling the world. Really? You mentioned Barcelona just a moment ago. Been? You know, Barcelona, Vegas, a number of other cities really pitching beams, multi cloud capabilities and story. And the short version of it is we believe that all organizations are really multi cloud today. Whether they realize it or not, they're going to be more multi cloud in the future. And what I mean by that is if you think about availability, backup in recovery and replication, you know it's a Zurich zur stack. It's a ws. It's private cloud. It's obviously what you have on premise, and it's the stuff you haven't even thought about tomorrow. And you. If you want to make a little adjacent stretch, you can put software is a service. I think in there, too, So it's about really offering protection, but also portability. >> Yeah, absolutely. When you have that multi cloud world world, of course, data is one of the most important things and how to lie for you. No protect and secure my data and leverage that data is critically important. IBM has a lot of different pieces. Where's the intersection between vehement IBM? >> Yeah, it's actually pretty exhaustive. So I'm a former I B M for fifteen plus years still live in Tucson, where IBM storage has a big presence and, you know, so it's everything from tape. We still believe Tape has a role to play, by the way, actually just released some new tape capabilities. It's, of course, the servers that they offer, and as well as the GTS Global Services and IBM cloud, of course, were interact with but their storage raise their virtual ization solutions. All of that. We have hooks and integration into today. >> Yeah, IBM have a pretty broad and deep portfolio, so lots of places for for being too play Dave. If he had an announcement recently updated, you were just alluding to some of the function of what? Why do you walk us through what the latest is? >> Yeah, it's actually the largest in company's history, which is now eleven years shipping product as of today, which is three weeks ago today we released the product, but as of today, there's sixty four thousand downloads that's against the base of three hundred thirty thousand ish customers might be three hundred thirty two thousand, but sixty four thousand dollars in exactly three weeks. Couple of capabilities from a cloud perspective alone. We've got this kind of probability that we spoke about take any workload on premises or physical virtual that's running in your shop and to be able to move it somewhere else. Really, to click restores to be able to get Teo Zura zur Stak E. W s. From an IBM perspective, we can definitely support IBM cloud in that we've got beam availability suite for a W s, where we can take instances running in a Ws like Mongo to be Cassandra and bring that back. You may want to bring that back for safekeeping or even transformation on prime two of'em instance, we've got all kinds of interesting things to not least of which is called cloud Tear. It sounds like an archive solution. It's it's really not. We underneath the covers take what's on running on premises for you. Let's say you're a beam shop today, and we can take out those unused blocks, unbeknownst to you and stage als off objects storage. And we can optimize how we do that. Right? So we can make sure you avoid egress charges. We essentially short version of that is in active source side D duplication of optimizing the blocks in the cloud. And then we leave uninterrupted access to it on prime. You don't ever have to know what's in the cloud. Change your behaviour. Changed the application to update it. Those are just a couple of the many things that we introduced. >> Well, yeah, quite a few things there, Dave. You know, in a multi cloud world. Can you bring us inside the customers? You know, Who is it that teams working with there? You know, cloud architect. Seems like it would be different than kind of the traditional, you know, storage or system administrator there. You know, one of the things we worry about in a multi cloud worlds is I've got different skill sets I need for all of these and how their organizations manage that. And, you know, how is the organization shaping up? >> Well, today You're right. It can be dispersed people, you know, disparity, folks. You know, it could be the software as a service person. It could be someone that's used to thinking, say, a ws. And I know when we go as a company to ignite their conference when we go there because, Ah, company Ricard called and two ws that specializes in that the people that come up to that desk don't even know who I mean. So >> reinvent your saying for all it was on >> my bed yet. So, you know, they don't even know the on premise, right? They only know what their specific focuses. And so, you know, we interact with a multitude of different roles where they tend to unite is vice president of infrastructure. But it could be many different touch points. I think is an organization. If you're especially a C i. O, you're probably a little bit worried about how many different things are going on there. Can we have a common management plain? >> Yeah. One of the areas that's really interesting. We talk about the public clouds. IBM has a long tradition with kind of C. S, P. S and M s bees, the service providers ahs. You will where does seem interacted at that layer of the ecosystem. Yeah, >> well, we have really twenty one thousand different being cloud service providers today, some of which manage over one million different machine instances just themselves. So we did a number of actually updates for them as well. And that's actually one of the tape integration points we now offer tenant to tape ifyou're a cloud service provider to offer an additional capability. But we offered, you know, the engine, if you will, that people can build it back up as a service disaster, recovery as a service, a solution around. >> Okay. Excellent. And thiss new release. What was it called? Yeah. >> It's a long name. Its aversion nine dot five update for >> that That screams major release. Yeah, >> well, it's the importance of it belies the, you know, the Newman clincher. But, you know, the reality is it's the biggest in our history. >> Yeah. So, Dave, give us a little insight. You know, you're doing the presentation here at IBM. Think give us some of the the team present where we're going to be seeing the bright green throughout the show. >> Yeah. Yeah. So there's been a couple of different things taking place already. I'm really going to hit multi cloud. Very, very hard. Really? From a how you should think about. So I really intended to be so much a beam commercial we'll talk about, you know, unabashedly, what being capabilities are but really set up a thought process. You know, a framework I get to kind of play a little bit of my analyst role, but, well, how much you want, You know, approach this. >> Yeah. David, I'm glad you brought it up. I love when you get here. We put your analyst hat roll on. We can. You know, talk is analysts here when I look at multi cloud networking. Management and security have just been this challenge we've been looking at. We've made progress as a whole, but there's still a lot of concerns. And, you know, multi cod sure isn't simple for the enterprise today. Ah, where we doing well is an industry. I know there's some areas that Beam has specific expertise to help on DH solutions, but I won't give a critical eyes, too. You know, what we need to do is an industry as a whole to make things better for customers, You >> know, the number one thing I would say is have a design, have a plan, don't fall into this haphazard. And one of the reasons I assert that just about every organization is multi cloud is because no matter what size you are, somebody somewhere has deployed something in a cloud or two or more. And again, if you throw software is a service into that. Now, this's just geometrically expanded. But it hasn't been like a conscious design strategy. >> Yeah, in many ways that we used to talk about shadow it Teo and many thie old. It was we used to call it either silos or cylinders of excellent, depending on the organization that you lived into. The concern I have is we're kind of rebuilding these in the cloud. So how we've learned from the past, our customers, you know, the CEOs, the organization's getting a better handle around their environment today. Or are we failed to do what was done in the past? >> I think we're getting incrementally better. Obviously, some organizations are, you know, accelerating faster than others. I think initially, when people thought, well, I can lift and shift and life will be better. You know, I can just like I introduce server virtual ization. Now, everything's cheaper, and I'm going to spend a lot of money to do that, you know? Well, I'm going to go to the cloud. It's going to be cheaper. And I just doing the same exact capabilities, instances and deployment that I was doing before never really worked out. So I think if you're approaching us something fresh and new and trying to actually take advantage of those capabilities here in a better position. >> Yeah. So I had a really interesting discussion earlier today. Had had the heads of V M wears cloud a group in an IBM cloud on. Of course, one of them comes up is you know, are we just lifting and shifting or re transforming and how to developers fit into it? So I'd love to hear from a beam standpoint as that, you know, application, maturity and modernization happens. You know What? What does that mean to the VM portfolio? >> Well, I would be really exciting if we do see more of a development base because I think really then you can add on extensions to what? Today the team is a data capture retention engine. It's best known for backup in recovery, disaster, recovery. But it could be so much more than that. So just a quick commercial button integration. Answer your question of we can now stand up ad hoc, isolated instances of machines and you can run things on that like GDP are scrubbing. You know, you can also do what we call a secure restore you, Khun. Understand? Well or not, it has a virus associated with it before populated back into the environment. But as a application community, you may want to say tomorrow morning at ten AM I want thes ten servers stood up with fresh data so my team could go in there and now generate faster applications for the business. It's really a business transformation St That's why I think we need more developers. >> Yeah, I remember one of the demons I attended, the CTO of Microsoft came, and you handed out his book, which I read recently, and it was kind of that they called it. It's not like science fact. But, you know, you talked about about cyber security and the challenge we faced in, you know? Okay. The global terrorists are going to come, you know, wipe out, you know, the entire infrastructure, and it's a little bit close to home, you know, because you kind of understand the security threat. Where does seem fit into the security picture when it when it comes to multi cloud things like Ransomware and the like, >> Yeah, unfortunately, things are going to happen. And we know this because things are already happen to number of organizations. It doesn't, you know, really take too long to find somebody that's been affected by this already. And so when that happens, you need some first level step of remediation. You need to get back as fast as you can to known. Good copy of your data. You know, Certainly that's where beam comes in, but being ableto also have portability. What if we could go and take your Azzurri instance data? Do the bios conversion for you automatically and send that to Amazon or vice versa. So you can have another offline, baldheaded copy. Or, you know, in that ransom where notion I presented to you. You know what? If you have to go backto backups, put ransomware typically lies dormant before it actually deploys the payload. So you don't know exactly how far back you need to go. So with this capability, you could go back on ly so far as you need to me Because you could verify exactly when vulnerability was introduced. But do that in a way that's sandbox isolated off the network and not putting you at risk. All >> right, Dave gives little look forward. What would be it would be expecting to see from beam through twenty. Nineteen? >> Yeah, we're focused a lot on increasing scale way. Believe that were very easy to use. Solution. People say no. Simple, you know, flexible, reliable. We wantto keep enhancing that, but we're looking at additional work loads to protect all the time cloud capabilities to expand upon a new ways, though, to take what it has always been a data protection company and make it a data management company. Things we were just speaking about from a developer angle. You're going to see us go a lot harder on that. We have a significant amount of investment way Got the largest We believe storage software investment history of five hundred million ended last year with a rich cash reserves. So now, instead of busy trying to do stuff, we're also looking at busy. What else do we need to acquire? Potentially. All right, >> well, Dave, the Cube is really excited to be back here in the redone Mosconi. A little bit more glass, a little bit more light, a little bit more space. The theme is having its annual user conference at facility. We really like to the front of blue in Miami for people that are going or thinking about going to tell him what they should be expected if they attended. >> Yeah, well, you'll get to see live demonstrations of everything I've been speaking about and Mohr, you know, seeing is believing, right? It's one thing to have power point. It's another thing to actually see someone demo it. And some of our folks, they actually demo this live on stage mean they're not canned demos. They're actually going into real servers and doing things like having a virus infiltrate and then remediating from that. So you'll get to see that you get to Seymour of road map. You'll get to see more customers, success stories and our partner ecosystem. We have a huge number of partners, of course, IBM being one of them. But we'll have a whole legal system of people there as well that have built his business around. Wien. >> Alright, Dave, want to give you the final word takeaways as to the importance of what's happening here at IBM, think the partnership and beyond, Well, >> IBM like you mentioned. I mean, they're probably the last major portfolio vendor on the planet, right? And they do just about everything you can imagine. And so from a partnership perspective, there's there's no geography, There's no vertical. There's practically no cos. Size, and there's almost no technology that's untouched. So the opportunity to interact and partner is huge. We believe we can offer some advantages in terms of simplicity in terms of cloud mobility and exploitation of IBM infrastructure. And we're just happy to be here and view them as a very strong partner. >> All right, well, Dave Russell. Always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. All right. And we'll be back with more coverage here from IBM. Think twenty nineteen. Of course, the Cube will also be a giveem on May twentieth through twenty second at The Phantom. Blew in Miami, Florida on stew minimum. And thank you for watching the Cube.