(upbeat music) >> Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick with The Cube. If you can't tell over my shoulder, we are at Oracle Park. It's a glorious day. The marine layer is burning off and it is really spectacular. We're happy to be here. Haven't been here since, I think 2014. It's an interesting event called Sports Tech Tokyo World Demo Day. About 25 technology companies in the sports area are giving demos all day today. It's a huge program, and we're excited to have our next guest coming from the analytics side. She's Sezin Aksoy, Global Data Strategy and Analytics for AXS. >> Correct. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Glad to be here. >> So Global Data Strategy. Everything's all about data. >> Correct. >> So, somebody's really happy to have you on board. What are so... What do you, what are you working on, what was top of line. >> Sure, so it's going to sound cheesy but data is the power of the world. >> Yes. >> It's going to empower people making better decisions, so that's kind of my role is at AXS. So AXS is the ticketing platform for live entertainment events. We operate in the US, Europe, as well as in Japan. And, if you think about it, when a consumer comes to your website, that's the first touchpoint that you have. Whether they buy the ticket or don't. Whether they buy or sell, and transfer the ticket, or they attend the event, all those are various touchpoints that we are collecting. So that we can inform our clients to make better decisions with data. >> Right. >> Whether it's pricing decisions, or marketing decisions, or scanning an event, which gates will be more busier than others. So, that's kind of what my team works on. >> Excellent. So, let's jump into a little bit on the dynamic pricing. >> Sizen: Hm mm. >> Because we saw, we've seen dynamic pricing. And you said you were in the airline industry. >> Correct. >> We've seen it in the hotel industry. >> Yup. >> My father in law talks about when he was doing dynamic pricing as a young kid. >> Sizen: Okay. Just making a call when somebody came through the door, at eleven o'clock. >> Sizen: Yeah. (laughs) >> Jeffrey: What's my marginal cost... >> Okay, yep. >> Jeffrey: with somebody in that room or not. There's really slow to get beyond, kind of the entertain, oh excuse me, the travel industry for other people... >> Hm mm. Yep. >> To kind of get on board the dynamic pricing. >> Yeah. We saw the Giants here... >> Yep. >> Actually a couple of years ago. We came by, they were starting to do dynamic pricing. >> Sizen: Hm mm. >> A Friday night Dodger game, compared to a Tuesday day... >> Sizen: Yep. >> Milwaukee game, very, very different. >> Sizen: Hm mm. >> So, what are some of the factors going in, what are some of the resistance, >> Sizen: Yeah. >> that had to be overcome for people to actually accept that it's okay to charge more for a Friday night Dodger game, than a Tuesday afternoon Milwaukee game. >> Yep, so yeah, so my background start with the airlines, which is where dynamic pricing, revenue management started at, specifically the American Airlines. If you think about there are a lot of similarities between airlines and live entertainments. Fixed costs, you have to, flight has to go, or the game has to be played no matter how many people are there. So, you really have a limited time to really maximize your revenue. And you kind of have a product that the demand level is different by day, whether it's a Tuesday game or Friday game. It really something you have to study the sort of the behavior from the consumers when they buy their tickets. What are the factors they put into play to make that decision? And in that mix, San Francisco Giants was one of the first teams that actually incorporated dynamic pricing about ten years ago, that slowly. The challenges with it is we are not as the consumer, not as trained to know that the price may change. Hotels, airlines been doing it for years and years. >> Right. >> And for them, also it didn't start from like doing all the flights in day one. So it's really needs to be a phased approach. It needs to be a lot of education for the public, and to think about the right way to think about it is, you want incentivize people to buy early. And you want to make sure they are the ones that getting the best price, and not necessarily the people that are buying last minute. >> Right. >> If you're buying last minute, then you must accept that it maybe the available today you're not looking for or the price not you looking for. But I will say though that plans change, people decide to not attend the game. The reason is that, potential for finding other seats for that similar game. But, really for you, have your plans. It's better to buy early, and that's kind of what the industries needs to be trained on, more and more. >> Right. >> Was there more opportunity in getting additional value out of that high demand game? Or was the bigger opportunity in getting, kind of lowering the prices on the less desirable games, and getting kind of marginal revenue on that side. Where was the easy money made, >> Yeah. >> Jeffrey: On dynamic pricing? I mean the immediate impact is from the high value seats for the high value games, cause that's really is your premium product at that point. But in the meantime, there's always a low number of seats that you have in your premium area. And if you find the right price, and if you start earlier. And really the goal is to sell all the seats, and to fill all the seats. >> Right. >> Also, just selling the seats is not, doesn't get you far enough. You want to make sure people actually come to the game, and they're the people that are going to attend the game. Right? >> Right. >> So, if you kind of, the lower level has many more seats, so it's really has to be both ways. It can't be in one area, either dynamic pricing and you don't do it. It's just all about training the public and consumers. >> Right. Now, the other interesting you said in your kind of intro, was keeping track of... What are the busiest turnstiles? And where people coming? And the flow within the game. >> Sizen: Yep. >> What are some of the analytics that you do there, >> Sizen: Yep. >> And how are teams using those... >> Sizen: Yep. >> that information to provide a better fan experience? >> Yeah, so we have scanned data, and we actually have it real time. So, we are able to provide the teams. We have kineses streams, not to go too technical, to kind of empower them to do their game operations in a certain way. So example would be, you could study the past games and understand where people came from. Typically for a Friday game verse a Tuesday game, your crowd will look different, right. The Friday game, maybe the more the families or Saturday or Sunday. But Tuesday may be more corporate world, right. So understanding they're patterns, but also than having that data accessible to you to real time. So, that way you're able to see how many people are coming in from this one gate to other. You can man the gates differently that way. And the real time data is not something that comes just easily. There's a lot of infrastructure built for it. >> Right. >> But we've done it at AXS, and we've been able to provide to the teams so they can manage their getting in better. >> Right. >> So real time's interesting cause you know a lot of these conversations about real time, and I would say, "How do you define real time?" And in my mind, it's in time to do something about it. >> Exactly. >> So, using real time, I mean are there things they can do in real time to either lighten the load at an overdone gate, or... >> Sizen: Yeah. >> What are some of the real time impacts that people are using this data to do? >> Yeah, so exactly the example you provided. Like making sure there are more people at this one gate as opposed to others. But also, like knowing who's coming into the arena. So AXS's I-D ticketing, I-D based ticketing platform, so we actually know who's coming in. It's a rotating barcode, so if you just copy-paste the ticket, and text your friend. That doesn't work, that eliminates fraud as well. But because we know who's coming in, you can actually empower your sales reps as a team to make sure you are, you know, if they are coming to a suite or a premium area. So in so actually just scanned in, so you kind of come up with ideas for sales reps. As well as some of the marketing activations, like... It could be that you have people that typically come in late. You want to incentivize them. You could actually come up with promotions on merch and food and beverage to incentivize them early, right? Or at the same time you can actually, there are some platforms that do marketing activation. You may have had a lot of hotdogs left that you couldn't sell. Towards the late quarter, you could send a message to everyone saying, "Okay, ya know, hot dogs are 20 percent off." >> Right, right. >> So that, you need real time for it, for data for that. Cause you again need to know how many people scanned in. You may want to know how many people scanned out. So for some conferences and other type events, you want to make sure there's a Fire Marshall rules, so you want to make sure. So all the real time data is helpful for that if you just look at the purchaser data, you're not going to get that specifically there. >> That's really interesting cause I was going to say, What are some of the next things that we can expect to see dynamic pricing applied to, and you just went through them which are really situational specific. >> Yep. >> Opportunities to clear inventory, to do whatever. >> Exactly, it's not just a ticket purchase. It could be applied to other things as well. >> Right, Right. >> Yeah. >> How cool. So what other kind of data sets are you looking at to help teams that maybe we're not thinking about. >> Sure, just when people buy their tickets. What marketing may have they done, so that we can understand the web traffic, and did they buy the ticket when you send out that email. Or did they buy it three days later. So that's one area. As well as sort of, the inventory that you have available for that game. Does it sell faster for that Friday game versus a Tuesday game? We also, we're a comprehensive marketplace where we have both primary and secondary in the same map. To give the convenience back to the consumers, so you kind of have a chance to see all the inventory available in front of you. So, a bit of understanding how tickets transact in the secondary marketplace is helpful for the teams to really price their product better. Cause sometimes we have... I work for a team, so I have that background where you may have just 20 price points, and you've done it for 20 years but it's been certainly changing then. But now that you have all these different data points on the second, you also you kind of maybe is like, 'Okay I need 40 price points really because there's that much differentiation demand. >> Wow, really sophisticated analysis... >> Yeah, it's a passion area for me, so... >> And doing the real time, real time data flow and everything. >> Yeah, yeah. A really interesting, interesting conversation. >> Yeah. >> To go so far beyond just dynamic pricing. >> Exactly. >> It uses more sophisticated methods to get more value, provide better experience for the fans. >> And actually in Japan, they do more about dynamic pricing. So they utilize our platform to actually able to price every seat differently if they wanted to. We've just went out with on sales for Big League teams, and that's how they apply that. So it's been used elsewhere, maybe in the U-S in sports. It's definitely catching up, and it's much much big difference from the 10 years ago. But, I think Japan has already been kind of doing that. >> Excellent. >> Mm hm. >> Well Sizen, thanks for taking a few minutes, and sharing those stories. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that may not be conscious of, but hopefully we're getting the benefit of. >> Yeah, thank you. >> All right. Sizen, and I'm Jeff. Yes, we're live. They're banging on something down there. I'm not sure what, but keep watching. We'lls be here at Oracle Park in San Francisco. Thanks for watching, and see ya next time. (upbeat music)

>> Hey, welcome back, everybody. Jefe Rick here with the Cube. Where? It Oracle Park in San Francisco, on the stork with cubby code. We're excited to be here. They're moving a lot of dirt, I think downstairs. But we're at a very cool event. It's called Sports Tech Tokyo World Demo Day. And we're excited. Have our next guest. He's Todd Simms s VP of corporate development from access taught. Great to see you. Great >> to be here. Thank you. Absolutely. So, for people are familiar with access. Give us kind of the company over here. >> We're a global ticketing company. We were launched out of ah global sports and entertainment company called E E G in 2011. And we serve live the live entertainment market and ticketing. Excellent. >> All over the world, >> different types of events. >> E e g. Is a global company with a run venues worldwide. And we serve them as well as third party clients. >> Okay, great. So we're here. It's sports tech, Tokyo. It's a little bit different. Type of an organization. Kind of an incubator. Not really an incubator kind of association, early association, but certainly a community. Why are you guys here. What is this organization mean to you? Why is that important? >> Yeah, it's really important. We We launched our ticketing service in Tokyo last year, and you know, that's a market that we love. It's a vibrant large market with super passionate fans, both on the sports side and on the music side. What it really needs is more of an ecosystem. It can't just be a new, innovative ticketing platform needs all the bells and whistles around it to really innovate the fan experience. And that's what these startups are doing. I >> just I just love this job because, you know, you think of many industries if you're not familiar with them, and they seem really simple on the outside and like everything, once you get under the covers, >> a lot more going on. So >> from the outside, looking in a ticket is a ticket. Yeah, what's the innovation and tickets? What's different about somebody in Japan buying a ticket to watch a baseball game than >> somebody find a ticket to come here to talk >> a little bit about what we're bringing to Tokyo and what we brought to our platform of clients here in the States as well as in Europe, and that's really a digital I. D based ticketing system. So when you walk into the Staples Center at L. A live in Los Angeles, that thing that's getting scanned is not a ticket. It's an identity, it's you. And what's being reviewed is whether you have access to that building on that night or not. So what that allows for is full data around the customer base. Every president of every team wants to know two things. They want to know who's in there building, and they wanna have some control, whether it's economic control or otherwise on the secondary market. Our digital I D ticketing system enables both of that, and that's kind of the innovation that we're bringing to the Tokyo market. >> But I would imagine when you say, you know it's me, you know the opportunities way beyond that because now you know what in my preference is, how often do I come? What kind of beer do I like to drink? It just opens up a whole kind of CR m ah, world of opportunity for this relationship between the team now in that person with that barker, >> absolutely, and that happens today, but what you're missing is every time someone comes in with a paper ticket, you're really not sure who's entering the building. So that eliminates that piece of that. And it gets all these teams with analytic departments to really have a full picture of their fan base. So, you know, they may have been investing in some of this and capturing 60 70% of their who's in the building. Now they have 100% right, >> and I would imagine they've been doing this for a long time, with kind of their season ticket base and knowing they're in the building. But it got a lot of data on their season ticket holders. How is that? You know, changed. What can they apply there to? The casual fan that maybe bought a ticket on the secondary market and his, you know, common is sitting in the bleachers? >> Well, it's huge >> for up sales and establishing that relationship. A lot of teams, if you've you know, just buying a single ticket off a secondary market, you're nowhere in that database now because of our I D based system. Those people are now prospects for either mini pack or a season ticket back. It's right. Just >> curious how the rise of the secondary market really impacted the teams and how they think about their own ticket based. I think the 1st 1 is probably StubHub back in the day for some, and it all happened kind of outside the purveyor of leagues and outside the purveyor of the teams. Likely, they're pretty smart and figured out we need to be a piece of this. So how did that kind of evolution change the way the teams think about their fans? Well, look, I mean, teams >> like music promoters, they Sometimes they like the brokers getting involved because it takes risk off the table. I think teams air realizing, though, that a riel yield management perspective on their ticket inventory to really revenue manage this appropriately. They have to take a holistic approach on their >> tickets, and any time you >> have a segment of your >> ticket base where you really don't have control of pricing distribution, >> all of that, it really hurts and it has an impact on your unsold primaries. So what teams are looking to do is gain more control and manages inventory more holistically to do that you really need to know all the data. And again, the I. D based ticketing system enables secondary sales. But at least you are tracking those sales and, you know, from one person to the next who who sold it, who bought it >> right? I'm curious to get your perspective on on the difference between if you arm or >> entertainment focused. So you know, the Rolling Stones were in town a couple nights ago, and it's really a one shot deal for the Rolling Stones in the Bay Area that night versus the Giants game, right where you're hoping that your people come back over and over. Did they think of it differently? Or is it Maur? You know, Jeff, you like music? You went to the Rolling Stones last night. Maybe you'll come and see somebody else tonight. Is that is that well, can't were they? No doubt, sports teams are >> a lot smarter about their fan base. They have loyalty built in. They have got history, you know there's variability. There's night of game. And then there's weather in who's on the mound and all of those factors. But promoters are, ah, lot more in the dark about, you know, Is this an artist that you know? How much credence can they put in the last two? Or they did. It's too been two years. Is that artist still going to sell appropriately or similarly than they did last time again? The secondary market on the music side is made a bigger issue because of that variability, and those promoters are willing to take risk off the table. But the same thing applies in order for them to really manage and revenue manage that tour. They really need to know who's buying and grab some of that secondary economics out of the system. Right? And that's again, what our platform enables, and that's what we're really bringing to the Tokyo market. It's really exciting. That's a great market for >> us. I was gonna say just to close. >> You know what's special about the Tokyo market either? From an opportunity side, we're kind of a unique way which they do things or unique way in which the kind of the fan experiences as you look at that market. >> Well, it's interesting. I mean, in a culture that is so reliant on such interesting technology, these ticketing technology is actually quite old, and so we're excited to bring that. We've got great partners past Revo is our partner there, and they're really selling that through the Yahoo ticketing channel. Uh, they we have we just signed the B league, which is the professional basketball league will be rolling them out in their fall season coming up soon here. But basically, they are looking for the same things. We're looking for more data and Maura capturing of the secondary market, and we can bring that to them. >> All right. Well, Todd, thanks for taking a few minutes. Pull the covers back off ticketing A lot more going on than people think. Thank you very much. All right, He's >> taught. I'm Jeff. You're watching The Cube. Were Rhetorical Park on the shores of >> McCovey Cove in San Francisco. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.