>> From Boston, Massachusetts, it's The Cube, covering WTG Transform 2018. Brought to you by Winslow Technology Group. >> Welcome back to The Cube here at WTG Transform 2018, I'm Stu Miniman and happy to welcome to the program, a first time guest, Claude Lavigne, who's the director of product management and servers at Dell EMC. Claude, thanks so much for joining us. >> Thank you, Stu. >> All right, so I had David Singer on this morning, who is from the EMC legacy side of things >> Yes. >> talking about storage, so you're from the legacy Dell side, if we will. You know we're working on servers. So tell us a little bit about your background and what you work on these days. >> So yes, so I'm doing planning for several powers. I've been on the server team for about 18 years. So, all the way from the beginning to now I'm #1 in the world, so it feels very, very good after 18 years. But yeah, that's why we do it. So I'm based in Austin with the product group over there and our role is to optimize and plan the best possible road map and portfolio of servers for rack towers and module. >> Yeah, it's funny, I remember back, you go back 5-10 years ago >> Yes >> and some people were like: wait, Dell does servers? You know, aren't they, you know, here's a Dell laptop sitting in front of me, and it was like Dell's done a lot of servers. I mean, I remember when Dell's Blade server first came out. A lot of pieces, but you know, so get us at a high level. You know, what's Dell's position in the marketplace these days? >> I mean, #1, but also to me, at the profile level #1, but at the platform level, we have one rack, the rack, the R740, our mainstream rack. It's the #1 server sold in the world. So, we're #1 profile, even at the platform level, and the 740 is used across, it's kind of a bedrock, it's used for as a server, but also in all of the EMC solution. It's used for virtualization, VDI, so that platform is kind of the, it's doing very, very well these days. >> Yeah, it's one of those things: see, people sometimes forget that a server isn't just something that does the compute for, you know, when an operating system sits on it, there's servers in lots of devices. Every year when I go to Dell World, I would see that giant OEM rack, >> Yes. >> and it was servers, OEM storage, OEM, HCI of course all has servers inside of it. And it was one of those things when the acquisition was initially announced of EMC, it was like, well, look, EMC both in their products and bundled with their solutions really pushes a lot of servers >> Yes. >> that didn't get talked about, you know, in the discussion. >> So now it's great for us. We have the full portfolio. I mean, every day you're going to see new announcements. We're going to have the best VFC solution, the best VxRail. We have best in class, you know, performance, and all that, I mean, the big part I mean, it's the research of years and investments and the system management we have at the server level. Because we have a great automation and system management, we're able to kind of reimagine or create profile on our servers, so it can be a VDI server again, but the best VSUN server or the best VxRail server. And all that because we have a great system management engine called the iTrack 9 inside our servers. And that's years of engineering and6 development, but now finally, now you have the hardware on the system management. We get the reconnection from the customers, and I think that's what made us #1. I mean, we see a lot of acceptance in 14G, a lot of demand for our security and system management capabilities. So I think that's the overall solution that help us, I mean, get to the point. >> All right, so Claude actually as an industry the server business is doing pretty well. >> Yeah. >> Especially for the last few quarters. What's driving growth? You're working on the product strategy, you know, what are some of the interesting nuggets in the portfolio? >> All, I mean, so how much we have to call. So the, like I just mentioned, the one year and two year servers but there is a couple pockets on innovations, so that's what we did in the last few months. So, I mean, the first one is, you see different key or card architecture that something to be very interesting not on the AMD, so we're trying to balance the portfolio to really showcase each of the goodness of this architecture. So that's why we launched the full AMD portfolio not a long time ago. Then, the other one is in the full circuit. What's really interesting, something I've never seen in 15 years, more and more people are doing, not on the database, machine learning, AI on full server, they're requiring more chip use and all flash solution within the server to get the best possible performance. So that's what we did, we announced that a month ago at the award and now in the future, it's the, we're moving to kinetic architectures. So we had a preview at the award of our Annex platform that we're going to launch later this year. And that one is really going to take the IT infrastructure to the next level. So, it's designed for the next 10 years of, again, modular, flexible, kinetic architecture that not only can optimize the right balance between compute and storage, but future technology like all flash and in-memory compute with the right fabric. So that's what you're going to see from us. It's going from the traditional rack servers to this advanced, modular architecture for the big design for the next 10 years. >> Claude, maybe give us a little compare and contrast. How is the module architecture different from what we saw on traditional racks or even blade servers? >> Yeah, so the traditional blade servers, I mean the, we don't blade for, I don't know, 10-15 years. And in the past it was, compute and then outer storage will external to a send. It was very traditional, but now with scale out storage, #1, scale out storage and all this HCI solution, customers asking us have very flexible computer and storage architecture. So that's kind of the first step and most of the blade architecture today are out there. It's like storage and compute, but moving forward we're going to go way beyond that. It's, we're going to have blocks of memory and GPU and flash storage, you know, and different cares of, you know, architecture ahead of the traditional storage. And if you look at the modular architecture, nobody else can deal with that today. Annex is going to be the first platform that can handle all that. It's not going to happen in the next three months, but the chassis is designed to be ready for this architecture of the future. Because we have very unique design in the bag. You know, we're getting rid of the traditional midplane that we have in the past and our competition is still using today. So it's going to be much more open to future, flexible, connectivity in the back of the chassis. So, that's why they never asked us to be ready for these next 10 years of IT innovation. >> Alright, so, Claude we're here at the Winslow Technology user event. What kind of feedback are you hearing from Winslow and their customers and what kind of things are you talking to the channel about these days? >> I mean, we've been in this conference for the last few years and we still think it's a great, great poniverse and they are part of what we call the technical council back in Austin. So, they are CTO sits with us on the PG side to help us plan future warmups, so they are very, very close now. And that's what we're doing, I mean, this, we're trying to optimize the portfolio with these guys. But right now, it's mostly the trying to improve the server, I mean, around storage and compute. So what you're going to see us launching toward the end of the year on the storage side. We're going to have a, remember the #1 server mentioned the alt 740, #1 in the world. Again, talking to the Winslow team and their customers, that server is great, but not good enough, so you're going to see us later this year, based on that feedback launching a new, improved version that will still base, use the 740 base, but be even more optimized for HCI and this several story solution. And that's the perfect example of the feedback we're getting from the Winslow team that we're integrating into the roadmap. So yeah, we are here every year because, I mean these guys are very sharp, they are good. >> Claude, last thing I wanted to ask you is, you know, for a very long time when you thought about the server market, it was, let's watch the intel, the tick-tock, the roadmap. So every few months you could expect something happened. That was what drove the innovation. >> Yes. >> What's the cadence today and what's driving innovation going forward? >> I mean, the cadence is getting faster, so for serving planning it makes it a little bit difficult. Also, now you have again you have these two vendors. Before it's really the innovation and I think that's what made us #1 is beyond the server, beyond the two processors and the storage solution. It's how we manage, how we make sure we have the best security end-to-end. So, our system management, the way we can provision servers, make sure we can do the update in the most secure way. The premise, that's kind of what makes a difference for PowerEdge and I think that's why, I mean, it took years of investment from, you know, the pitching team but I think that's what is making a difference, and the differentiation right now. It's like, you know, our servers are not just like any other servers. They're much easier to, much more secure, much easier to manage, you know, through the entire life cycle. So, I think that's the key differentiation is how we manage the server, you know, so not just at the server level, but we have deployments of thousands of servers. So we have a new console called OpenManage Enterprise. We just launched that, I think that was, what, six months ago, and that's the latest and greatest of one too many managements of servers and it's free. I mean, it's, that's another good think about PowerEdge. You can get OpenImage Enterprise for free. >> Alright, well Claude Lavigne really appreciate the update on everything happening in the server world. Lots more coverage. Check out theCUBE.net for everything we're doing, as well as, we actually take some of the key analysis from the shows that we go to, put that in our podcast that's called theCUBE Insights. Find that on iTunes, GooglePlay, Spotify, your favorite podcast player. I'm Stu Miniman. Thanks so much for watching theCUBE. (techno music)

>> From Boston, Massachusetts, it's the Cube, covering WTG Transform 2018, brought to you by Winslow Technology Group. >> Welcome back, I'm Stu Miniman and this is the Cube's coverage of WTG Transform 2018. We're excited, we've actually gotten to speak to quite a few end users here at the show which always is one of our favorite things to do on the Cube. Joining me, first time on the program, Todd McIlroy, who's Vice President and Systems Engineering Manager, Eastern Bank, thanks so much for joining me. >> You're welcome, glad to be here. >> All right, so first of all, how many of these shows have you been to. >> This is my first WTG event, but I tend to go to several smaller type conferences per year to keep on top of the technology, network, and with so much rapid innovation these days, you need to get out there and talk to people and learn little tidbits of information each one, do a couple of conferences each year. >> Yeah, you said, technology's changing really fast, which is great, my joke usually is like you're in financial, things don't change fast, there's nothing going on. What is happening in your role these days? >> Eastern Bank is a 200 year old bank, we're celebrating our 200th anniversary this month. >> Hey, congratulations. >> A big celebration next week. A lot of traditional architecture, it's a very large bank, it's a 11 billion dollar bank, but very small community feel as well. Even our team is very tight, and very close together. Even though it's an older bank, we have a lot of innovation and technology going on, in the last few years, especially. >> It's one of those things, if I was going to start a company, or had started a company in the last five or ten years, here's the technology I'd choose, here's the applications I'd roll out. It's a 200 year old bank, walk us through a little bit about the pros and cons of having that legacy if you will. >> We have been around for like I said 200 years and even a lot of the technology we have on premises has a lot of legacy applications. We have to keep supporting that for a long time. We're challenged with keeping those older systems up and running as well as providing new technology to the business so they can innovate and bring new and better products to the market. Both worlds. >> Tell me what's under your purview when it comes to the bank. >> When it comes to the bank, I manage the systems engineering team, I manage the team that does servers and virtualization, storage, we're getting into the cloud as well, this is a big push to start innovating in the cloud as well to allow our developers to use services to help them innovate faster and better. That sort of thing. >> Okay, so in the keynotes this morning, there's the discussion really of hybrid cloud. When you say in the cloud, that tends to make me think of public cloud, maybe some SAAS in there, tell me what cloud means to your organization. >> Well, right now our cloud footprint is primarily software and service type applications, like Office 365. We had a major migration to move our email and Skype and users facing applications to the cloud. But we're also trying to expand our footprint in the cloud so we can enable services to our customers, internal customers, to innovate as well. That's why we're looking at technology like Nutanix, the innovation that they're bringing to market to allow our developers to be more self-sufficient, provide the platform for them, allow them to innovate and develop on a platform, both on premises to keep it secure as well as in the cloud to keep it secure as well. >> Okay, it's interesting. I was actually talking to some of the Nutanix team here and been talking to customers that are doing development, playing with the containers, things like that, a couple years ago, if you talking about developers, you'd say, oh, okay, they're building something in the public cloud. >> Right. >> Because that's where it is. Help us understand how you decide, what do I start playing with in the cloud, where does the Nutanix fit into that discussion? >> We're a relatively new Nutanix customer, within the last year or two. We started with a small concept to give some of our workloads for the developers to work on, but now we've expanded upon that it's now become our primary production platform. It's going to take a lot of our older Hypervisor virtualization technology and move it to Nutanix so we're trying to grow that footprint because the amount of innovation that they're bringing with Calm and Flow and all those sorts of new services is going to enable us to build a platform that they can develop on a lot better. >> Great, what virtualization are you using on this? >> For? >> For the Nutanix, like are you using VMware, >> No, we're HV, Native HV. >> Using all HV? >> All HV, yup. >> Okay, were you VMware before? >> Not at Eastern, no. We have a small VMware footprint for specialized application, but the rest of our virtualization platform is Hyper-V. >> Okay, and you said you're running in production, does Nutanix run all of your on-premises applications? >> No it doesn't, we have a lot of still physical infrastructure as well, but anything that new is going towards Nutanix. We have some older hardware that we're aging out, as those age out and we have to expand the new hardware, we're going to go with Nutanix platform. >> You've got some I-series sitting in the back, I'm sure, the old AS/400, most banks have, things like that. >> Exactly, exactly, yeah. >> Great, tell us a little more from a cloud standpoint, how did you determine what goes where? >> We haven't really determined that yet, we're really in the early stages of our own adoption to the cloud. We're really taking the first steps and making sure we are governing it properly, and we're finding the right use case for it. Really we're trying to find the right use case for our developers. We had some meetings recently and we outlined a few things that we could target. So we're really taking our first steps, getting our own competencies up with our own engineers and our developers and making sure we, learning from the people that already done it, and maybe learning from some mistakes they've made and using partners like Winslow to help us get there. >> Great, can you speak a little about from an operational standpoint? You've talked about developers, you've got public cloud, you've got your infrastructure, how do those all play together? >> Well today I mean systems engineering and my department is really the go to department when they request a service, or request a new server, request a new application be built. We interface with a lot of different teams at the bank so we're really the go to team that is going to help them innovate. They know what applications they need to run, they need, they make requests for services. We're trying to reduce the time to fulfillment, allowing them to have a platform where they can build on, innovate and be more self-sufficient. >> Yeah, you bring up a really interesting thing. How long people think it will take from when I ask for something to where I get it. Used to be I put in a support ticket, 24, 48 hours that was great. Some things it's like ah, heck, we're going to have to buy a server, or allocate different pieces. Today it's come on, it's instantaneous. >> Yeah, everybody's ready to go. >> Talk to that, the good and the bad of that from your standpoint. >> That's what we want to be in the business of allowing them to self-sufficient, build the platform for them, we don't want to be managing building VMs over and over again. We want to templatize things and allow them to be on their own timeline, to be able to develop, deploy, break down, so we're really trying to innovate in that way. I think that's our job as an engineering team to provide that to the business so they can innovate more quickly. >> Love the idea of self-service. The concern always is sprawl. Used to be I stuck a server in the corner and then I forgot about it. Now VMs pop up and I forget about them all the time, doesn't the CFO ever come say, hey, am I really using all this stuff? >> That's the big driving factor is cost, making sure you don't going to drive over a huge cost in the cloud. I think governance and managing that and using tools and using some of the use cases and some of the knowledge others have been before to help you build that framework so you're not breaking the budget, or what not, you find the right use case, whether it's on premises cloud or in the public cloud. >> Great, last thing, Todd, as you look forward through the rest of 2018, any interesting new technologies you're looking at or other things coming down the pike other than celebrating the big 200th anniversary. >> Well I mean, I'm really excited about the bank has really made a commitment to move towards innovation and using cloud technology so I'm really excited to be part of the team that's going to help innovate and drive the business forward in that regard. >> Todd McIlroy, I really appreciate the updates here, Eastern Bank a 200 year old company driving innovation forward. This has been our live coverage here from WTG Transform 2018. Be sure to check out thecube.net for all the shows we're going to be at, all the replays that we've been at before. Stu Miniman, once again thank you so much to Winslow Technology Group, their partners and of course all the customers, thanks so much, for the viewers also for watching, thank you. (techno music)

(electronic music) >> From Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE. Covering WTG Transform 2018. Brought to you by Winslow Technology Group. >> Welcome back to theCUBE. I'm Stu Miniman, and we're at WTG Transform 2018, happy to be welcoming one of the users at this show, Jerry Flick, who's with Belmond. He's the Divisional Director of I.T. Thanks so much for joining us. >> Thank you for having me. >> All right, and welcome to the Boston area. You're from Charleston, South Carolina. >> I live in Charleston now, yeah. But I'm familiar with the area. I'm from the Northeast, but I love being here. Boston's a great town. >> Yeah, we had a lovely weather. It's in the low '70s, you know, the Sox should have a nice game here, so. Have you been to this event before? >> I have, this is my third year. >> Okay, excellent. You've been to more of 'em than me. >> Okay. >> So, let's start with Belmond. Tell us a little bit about the organization, for those that don't know. >> Absolutely, so Belmond is a worldwide luxury hotel experience, hospitality industry. So we have hotels, we have restaurants, there's train excursions, river cruises, and really, the focus on Belmond is providing a superior level of service to the guests that take part in our experiences. >> Well Jerry, the great thing I love talking about users is, their lives are pretty stable. There's not these things like Airbnb, and you know, other technologies left that are just saying oh yeah, we'll spin up an app and just put your company that's been around for decades out of business, right? It's nice and stable. >> Yeah, that sounds like a little sarcasm, but. (laughs) >> I've been known to be a little sarcastic. So yeah, Jerry, tell us how long has Belmond been in business? You said it's worldwide, how many employees, and how does Belmond deal with the digital transformation? >> Oh, absolutely. >> That's, you know, coming down? >> Well, they took the name five years ago. They used to be Orient Express prior to that, and many people know the Orient Express from the Agatha Christie novels. >> My wife loved the new movie, so. >> Yes, so did mine actually. But what they do is, we have over 50 properties worldwide. I joined about seven months ago, and one of the initiatives they have now is to double the amount of properties and experiences they have by 2020. So, as part of what I do in the division I manage, I have North America, Central America, Mexico, and the Caribbean, and I have about eight properties under my belt, and we have to make sure that we coordinate with corporate for our company policies, our I.T. structure, which is kind of complicated because you're dealing with multiple countries, and different technologies that people like, different flavors, so it certainly presents its own challenges. >> All right, so Jerry, when you say you've got those properties, and really the I.T., what does that mean? What's under your purview from an I.T. perspective? >> Sure, so each property has either an I.T. director or a manager, and then depending on the size of the property they have different I.T. personnel that handle everything from the infrastructure, the servers, as well as through user support and even interfacing with the clients. Guest wifi is a big thing, so people want to come to our properties and make sure that they can get on the internet well, they can watch T.V., and they can do that, and that all comes down to what we have to provide them. >> Yeah, I love that. Yeah, help connect us a little bit, you know, the role of I.T. and the pressures put on you, versus wow, we've got lots of challenges from the business side these days. I'm sure cost pressure are there, you need to able to know when things are available, know that the client is getting great service when they're at your facilities. >> Yeah, actually they like to use the term, we need to be cost neutral. >> Okay. >> So everything that we do, of course I.T. is a cost within itself, but when the clients come in, and again, they expect that high quality of service, that internet connectivity, and really just whatever it is that the technology can drive to make their experience better, they look to us. But from a standpoint of support, we're 24/7. We have to keep the systems running, we have to make sure that everything from property management is going, and that we keep them moving, we keep business running. >> Yeah, so in my career in I.T., I've gotten to get under the covers sometimes in hospitality. When you've got hundreds or thousands of rooms, just even the basic phone system, let alone the internet and everything, there's a lot that goes into it. There's a lot of gear, maintaining. People talk about their data centers, but boy, you've got so many properties to deal with. What are some of the challenges there, and you know, bring us inside that infrastructure as to, how you have to build and architect it to fit that cost neutral mandate that you have. >> Yeah, we definitely want to be innovative, so for example with our Charleston facility, we recently deployed a Nutanix cluster on a Dell XC series, and we did that through Winslow Technology. And some of the things that we look to that for is, we don't have a lot of data, we don't have big data. And recently, we had to implement a GDPR policy, because we are worldwide, so that really kind of limits, you know, we're going to have even less data within our system. So having an implementation of Nutanix is really a great way to provision the service we need. We do have a mix of Cloud systems, as well as on-prem, so definitely a hybrid Cloud model would be something that I would like to see moving forward, as well as within the division, try to synchronize everything. Make everybody synergized, so that we can try to be like a flagship to the brand, and really set the standard for what is the best in technology. >> Yeah, so a lot of conversation in the keynote this morning about hybrid cloud. Want to get your reaction as to what you heard, as well as, you know, the big question is, how do you figure out what to put where? >> Yeah, that's a good question, and I've had a lot of sessions with Rick. I think he's really in tune with what's going on, so, pretty much the whole Winslow staff. You can reach out to them, and if you don't specialize in something, you know, you're not going to know everything in I.T., especially when you're dealing with as you mentioned, what's underneath. But to be able to reach out to a partner like that and say hey, do you have a subject matter expert in this? It really gives you a good idea of where the industry's going, and that's my goal is to make sure we stay ahead of that, so that we can provide the business what's a cost neutral way to make it better, and continue to provide that superior service. >> Okay. You said that you've deployed the OEM Nutanix solution with Dell. Can you give us a little bit of insight, you know, what applications sit there? What kind of scale do you go to with that? Is it something that mostly just runs, and you don't need to touch it, or is it something that's growing over time? >> Yeah, I mean, we recently did it within the last month. So what we did, fortunately we were able to just build it, and not initially have to migrate anything over. But for our use, property management, we have an Opera property management system, and that's going to be key to keeping that running, and we are looking to keep that on-prem. Everything else, like our point of sale service, they do need a cached systems within the infrastructure. And then we're looking to upgrade our phone system which depending on if we do that Cloud based or not, having a Nutanix cluster in play like that, and really just the reactions I'm getting from my team that's working with it, they've used other systems. They've used the huge SAN systems of the past, and to be able to spin up a Windows server in less than six minutes, you know, they really love it. We're using the Acropolis Hypervisor, and the simplivity of it, it's easy to use. The buttons, it's real, it's just very simple. It's not as layered as a lot of the systems, so I think as we move forward the performance of it, we're really going to see a quick turnaround, and it's going to make the employees happy working with it, as well. >> Awesome, Jerry. Last thing I want to ask you, you've been to this show for three years. What bring you up besides, you know, the beautiful Boston weather. You mentioned talking to Rick and the team, maybe checking out the Red Sox. What's the value of coming to events like this? >> Well, you know, and again, Winslow's a unique company. They're smaller, and they have a certain niche in an area, but you know, I've worked with several of the account reps, I've worked with the engineers, and they really have a good foothold on technology, but their process of getting to know the customers, and being able to really anticipate what they need, as well as they're not going to oversell you. They're not going to sell you something you don't need, and even if they present something and you're not interested, there's no pressure there. So, they really make it easy to work with them. And so, aside from being here in Boston and loving it, I do enjoy being with the Winslow team, and being treated so nicely by them. >> All right. Jerry, pleasure meeting you. Thanks so much, and congrats on the progress with Belmond. >> Awesome, thank you. >> All right, always love talking to the users, and we'll be back with lots more coverage. Thanks for watching theCUBE. (electronic music)

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group this is the cubes cover of wtg transform 2018 happy to welcome to the program the keynote speaker and first time on the program David singer who's the senior vice president and chief operating officer of storage at Dell EMC David great to see you great to see you Stu thanks for having me all right so I liked we talked a lot about transformation and boy there's a lot of transformations going on from the technology to the workforce you know security is top of my night 'm you know let's start there you know what is what is transformation mean in that with the customers that you're talking to these days transformation for our customers is delivering next generation business outcomes really ensuring that they could find a way to to remould their businesses for the digital economy and figure out how to drive tremendous amounts of value and they understand that it all starts with IT and being digital and so it's one of the key things that we hear from our customers as they as they engage with us and look to move forward yeah it's an interesting conversation because there's there's two things that have kind of struck me as a little bit funny lately number one is data is really important and to WoW intelligence is really going to transform all these environments and the reason I think you kind of agree with me we've been talking about these things for decades I mean you know you and I both started back at EMC back similar times when storing was really one of the main things you're doing but of course that data was very important in the eight years since I left EMC boy you know it's not like a storage isn't any less important but you know it's data and it's everywhere and it's distributed so we speak a little bit to you know the value of data to your customers and we'll keep going with that commerce date data is the next asset class you know and for our customers it should be their gold it's it's not how they just manage their business it's actually how they start making money we called ourselves a storage business and we probably did ourselves a disservice they want to engage and they want ensure their data safe and they want to figure out how to monetize it and monetizing it means retaining it moving it keeping it safe and then ensuring that you can inject it into the right applications and get the right the right knowledge and efficiency out of it and what we've seen in a storage industry over 18 years that the technologies keep changing applications have greater and greater demands there's more and more need to consume adjust and analyze this data and we need to keep up and we need to deliver more intelligent infrastructure and storage solutions that can move this data and help us help applications deliver tremendous performance let's talk about the company itself so when I think about Dell you know I think back you know even talk to my parents you know they know who Dell is they'd use Dell computers for many years over your shoulder this Fenway Park you know the club level is the Dell level you know you've got such a broad portfolio and your keynote you kind of put together this do you know comprehensive everything from Dell and Dell EMC and VMware and pivotal and everything but to you know the global companies or small companies what is you know what where does Dell sit in the picture I think I think the the merger has been a major transformation for the company itself we talk we evangelize transformations for other companies were undergoing one ourselves and the transformation we're undergoing is understanding what other companies needs and applying it to ourselves and drinking our own champagne and making it a reality the the brand Association is changing and customers are starting to realize that we can become the essential infrastructure provider and they could look to us to solve a holistic set of their needs as opposed to pinpoint so their needs and make it an easier journey themselves you spent a bunch of time talking about the operating model when we talk about cloud it's you know use the line actually we've used many times you know cloud is not a destination really is an operating model how does that impact the portfolio you know you're helping to put together really the long-term strategy so the first is the operating model is all about simplicity right we need to make infrastructure more simple for our customers and that means re-engaging and re-architecting our software stacks from the ground up to be more nimble more accessible via api's and other automation engines that that will really drive more value and allow IT professionals to spend more time partnering with the business to drive revenue as opposed to problem-solving and punching out bugs David that was what one of the knocks that competition of you know EMC back in the day always had was MC has a broad portfolio and leadership in many positions but simple was never the word to describe the the offerings how does del and LEM see from a storage perspective how will we be looking at that differently you know come a year or two from now and so I think that's a fair point it's a great point simplicity was probably not a great synonym for what we did but what we did was was accumulate a tremendous amount of intellectual property and assets that we've been able to mold and transform and adapt for the future well when the process of doing is making it simpler for customers to consume it and delivering and deploying it in simpler ways to make that to make it easier to choose and implement and what we're in the process doing is take the lessons of the past integrate the technology from the past and drive something that's going to be easier to understand and to drive value alright help connect the dots we're here at one of one of Dell's uh you know larger partners maybe not larger in size but you know very important partner when the Technology Group was a dell partner of the year for a couple of years what is that you know that simplification and you know change in the portfolio mean you know and how's the relationship changing with the channel so you know very fair the the channel community is extremely important to Dell and and we know that we've not made their lives very easy right they have they have sales engineers and sales sales professionals that are trying to deliver solutions and applications for customers and it's hard for them to choose which building blocks or which piece parts to build and by simplifying and putting together better better technologies and better intellectual properties that are easier for them to consume and understand make it easier for them to do their jobs and and our outcomes for their customers right when I focus a little bit on the customers you know what do you see some of the biggest challenges that they're facing in their business you know not not just from a storage standpoint but you know the business side sure well every business including our own is it's a balance of priorities right the customers know that they want to take their business forward they want to drive growth they want to drive profitability and there's so many different opportunities to go after and just how do you prioritize and and and trying to manage those discrete priorities and ideas and initiatives is is not easy and then implementing actions especially with an IT to go solve some of those problems is resource intensive right and so we need to do a better job of thinking about transformation and simplifying our structure to really really alright so you're an Operations guy you've you've got you know so some business background what one of the things I look at in my career is you know boy you know we've looked at the pace of change but you know technology is an enabler for you know how we change operations has been pretty amazing the last last 20 years of wondering if you have some ruminations on that as to you know what you've been seeing in your career and you know especially over the last you know five years or so yeah the the pace is confusing it really is you know at times we feel like we're moving at light speed and other times we feel like we're gonna crawl and I think the interesting aspect is it's it's a journey and every customer is approaching it differently there are some customers that are in the bleeding edge and looking for us to keep them on the bleeding edge and there are other customers that are that are more more steady in their operations and looking to take baby steps as they transform and it's been a really interesting challenge trying to solve and maximize outcomes for both those types of yeah absolutely I'd say it's usually it's it's dizzying and you need to be careful one of my favorite Ben Franklin lines is you know don't confuse activity with with progress because it's easy to chase the new shiny but you know what am I actually doing to drive the business and drive efficiency of what weird and can actually get any value out of the new shiny there are so many buzzwords that we have in our industry right now some of which customers consume can consume really easily and get a tremendous amount of value some that customers just are having a hard time understanding how they actually implement to get value yeah so you know what's the biggest threat for for businesses these days you talk about them going through transformation there there's everybody's concerned about you know - over the overuse term you're gonna be over eyes or Netflix or you know choose your point you know how do you balance I need to transform and move faster but you know I I don't want to be you know chasing my shadow yeah I think I think the person that had the perfect answer to that would be would be amazingly wealthy right now I think you know that's the dichotomy that we're trying to deal with and the industry has dealt with for a very very long time great point you know we talked about it's not always about chasing the technologies what's interesting you in the marketplace these days - I think that the pace of change in the pace of innovation has really kicked up it goes through cycles and right now the new technologies that are getting introduced by a lot of startup communities and and and and ourselves organically has been amazing and I love the innovative spirit that is coming back together as we formed Dell EMC and the new and the new company and the collaboration that we're seeing with the intellectual property across the family of companies delivers really exciting results right last thing I wanted to ask you really about the merger you know personally you've so you've been with you up from the EMC side of things you know there are many similarities and culture but some significant differences between these two cultures well you know what could you share you know so everything changes right I think we learned a long time ago at EMC and there's probably some acronym about change using the EMC letters you need to be able to adapt to change and both cultures we're very very much the same the businesses are very very interesting and I like to think of them and in a let ik metaphor right there are very different flywheels to the paces of the businesses we have we have a portion of our business that is a flier that spills really really fast and very and very transactional and we have another flywheel that is solution oriented and solution driven it drives a different speed and the miracle the mergers we've been able to figure out how to operate both those flywheel in the same ace David singer definitely the customer flywheels keep a lot of things going and the feedback from our users is one of the flywheels that keeps us going here at the cube so btran sure to check out all the content and as always you can reach us hitting us up on the website hit is up on social media 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from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group I'm Stu minimun and you're watching the Q's coverage of wtg transform 2018 happy to welcome to the program got a CIO in the house Russ Roderick who is the with chin bro that's correct how you doing to be here excellent so third year for yourself at the show first first impressions at the show what brings you back yeah third year I've really enjoyed it each of previous years I skipped a year last year travel related issue but I think the layout I like the naming convention change I like everything about it I think this is an excellent program that technology excellent they felt pity on me when they did the name change if you heard because saying the whole user group Dell EMC winslet Technology Group was a bit of a tongue twister but that's you know first world problems so Russ wrote for people that don't know tell us a little bit about chin bro yeah so Tim bro is a construction company headquartered in Pittsfield Maine we're nationwide where we do our projects we're in numerous markets from building infrastructure oil gas chemical industrial manufacturing we have a lot of projects done every year in the hundreds range and we were a little under a billion dollars got about 2,500 team members across the country okay and is the CIO you know how BIG's your team how many locations do you manage and you know tell us yeah let's go there for sure yes so I have 30 person team we have everything from application development to help desk to data analytics business intelligence teams I have infrastructure organization I have field support business analysts and we're a full-service organization all right so restless first start with with chin bro would you know what are some of the biggest challenges you're facing into business what does that term digital transformation resonate with with with your world it does the construction industry is very interesting it's a low margin industry right and so as a result of that we're always always looking to save money we're always looking to be lean we have a major initiative in the company around lean transformation some of that is digital related you know getting off of paper moving into paper forms into electronic forms and then not having to touch the data too many times so we have been moving too for quite a few years now so it's not new to the organization but it is a big challenge okay so absolutely we see that a lot what is the role of IT to the business these days so we have gone from being the elevator music as I like to call it like we're in the background you know we're kind of there to a strategic partner and I've reported from finance and I've moved to into the up to the CFO from CFO excuse me into the CEO role and it's been a great challenge there's some other organizational changes that we're looking at but we're no longer that background music we're very strategic in what we do we actually run several committees for the company looking at project prioritization workflow prioritizations and helping the organization to build an application roadmap new strategy yeah I love that I mean when you talk to us organizationally it says a lot you know under the CFO your call center we are moving under the CEO your strategic to the business right all right you talked about application so let's go there first because that's you know that application modernization is big challenge when I talk about modernization I always say you know application is a long pole in the tabs so what what does that mean to you what what kind of transformations are you going through inside yeah again our industry is dealing with a lot of fragmented software and it's a it's a problem a lot of industries face but ours I feel is we're on the very tail end of the industries that have moved to digital that have moved to modernization of our apps a lot of our products are on-premise our ERP system we've been on for 20 years for example and they've they've modernized we're getting it to mobile our imaging and workflow systems are starting to get more modernized but they're their legacy products and it's difficult when you have to deal with infrastructure that we have in the construction world we don't always have connectivity so we have to have a lot of offline we do all work with Citrix and it can be very problematic yeah you've been doing with the issues that we talked about with edge computing and IOT is you know something you've been living with for years right absolutely so IOT is one of those transformational pieces for us as well you know we have a lot of equipment that's one of the parts of our business you know 25,000 pieces of gear and heavy iron and we don't have a really good solution in place today that we're monitor all of the the meters and the performance and the of those devices so we're looking to IOT to help us get a better picture of that at an aggregate data level okay so I love we started up the stack with the applications let's come down a little bit tell us about your infrastructure what what are you using today how long you been using it for Winslow's in in the mix there's o windows absolutely in the next Dave we've moved from the traditional data center I had a lot of servers and racks and and moved to a V block and the X block with the X rail and our disaster recovery center out in Chicago and we did that because we had you know all the traditional problems of maintenance and and patching and licensing and everything and we never really had to deal with any of the power and heat and energy problems were up in Maine so we don't we're not an issue with cooling but that was a challenge for us having to manage all that stuff so we worked with Winslow and Dell EMC to figure out how do we get into the hyper converge to move away from all those server for administration and management and we did that project a little over a year ago implemented a little year ago and we've seen tremendous opportunities and for how we how we provision equipment and how we manage that need for the applications you know standing up new environments virtualizations really helped us do yeah so did you roll up the VX block and the VX rail together or the were those two sever they were slightly delayed so we did the X block first and then a few months later we did the the VX ray okay so the V block and the VX block after it been around for a number of years that you know 8 10 years at this point VX rails a little bit newer there's some people out there that are like oh wait HCI takes over the whole market tell us why each of those solutions and you know what was it an application price thing what what how did that go yeah we looked at it wasn't necessarily that we were in you know any position where you had to have this massive return on our investment right we built our business case around disaster recovery we our data center our primary or secondary were in the same town you know so we had all those elements of disaster recovery that were a problem for us so when we looked at the solution we wanted to be able to replicate our data more effectively get away from the traditional tape backup models and really help provision the equipment as quickly as we could in the event of you know a disaster and get ourselves recovered business continuity wise so it was a financial decision obviously that we had that we had thing had to pay for itself in which it did but we didn't spend a lot of time really kind of honing in on it has to be an ROI and a payback it was it was really about performance and disaster so is the VIX Bach in the primary and the BX rail and the secondary correct okay really cool on any you know what would you sell your peers is you after you've rolled us out any learnings that you had or the things that you'd go back and you know adjuster tweak no actually we had a really incredible experience working with with Winslow they were able to help us work through all of our any of our production issues very quickly we did replication through zurdo so that's moving our data very efficiently and my my IT team feels very confident that should and we're doing a test later this year but should we have a production incident we'd be able to recover lessons learned you know I think it's it's more about planning your work you know making sure that you've got your activities planned and that you're looking at the operational performance of the applications great all right Russ last question I have for you as a CIO how things been changing yeah you've been in the role for seven years you've moved inside the organization what are some of the things that are changing and some of the things that aren't yeah so the CIO role I believe personally is really kind of gearing towards more of a strategic element you know being part of that business making sure that we're not just providing those generic services of you know ping power and pipe right we're there for the business to understand what their business processes are all about and how they run their workflows and use their applications on a daily basis most of my conversations with my vice-president peers and and business leaders isn't around the technology that's being used yeah they're interested in iPhones and tablet devices but they're really geared at how do I help them solve their business problems and that's where IT is really evolving and the CIO role is doing a lot of that it wraps around that you know the teams you have around you and the strategic elements of the organization and just to follow up on that to do the SAS applications that your business using following under you is there any public cloud in there - what we do we have we have a hybrid cloud solution so we do a lot of on-premise solutions but we have several cloud and they're they're growing as needed but we have a business model that basically says let's look at our infrastructure internally first as a as an employee-owned private company we tend to gravitate towards keeping in-house but we have several business solutions that are in the cloud that are providing value all right well rust pleasure to meet you take so much for you to us and Congrats on everything that Kimbrough is done thank you very much back with lots more coverage here at wtt transform 2018 I'm Stu minimun and thanks so much for watching the Q [Music]

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group welcome back I'm Stu minimun and you're watching the cube at wtg transform 2018 happy to welcome to the program two gentlemen from the Boston Architectural College to my left is Carl Jasperson who is the systems administrator and to his left is Jason O'Brien who's the director of IT gentlemen thanks so much for joining us thank you for having us all right so Jason why don't we start with you help us power up this conversation to tell us a little bit about the college so Boston Architectural college we started in the late 1800s it's a small design at school and we offer programs in landscape interior and traditional architecture yeah so I love that to talk to a little bit more about you know that the charter of the school and how IT fits into that so we we are a mission of the schools to provide excellent education to a diverse population technology factors in is very important and over the last ten years the Carll I've been at the school technology has use has increased immensely our students are using it more and more every year and meeting those needs has become you know difficult and it's a challenge we we strive to achieve every year well Design Thinking is is so important these days I I studied engineering as an undergrad in which I've learned more about design one of my favorite authors so I have an interview about a month ago Walter Isaacson you know the ones he studies are the ones that can take that design thinking and technology and bring them together Carles bring us up to speed on from from the IT standpoint you know how big of a team do you have what are you involved with I said you know things have been changing over the last few years yeah so I mean we've got Jason in addition to running the department he runs our online learning system I'm responsible for all the backend its infrastructure servers networking backup virtualization we recently hired a junior systems administrator to help me out we've got a web guy we've got a DBA to the woodshop is under IT because we have a fabrication guy so 3d printing laser cutting we have the help desk and the help desk manager who also does our purchasing and she and I will take escalations so it's there's not a lot of crossover you know skill crossover in the group but we managed to keep everything going yeah but as you said they've been you know woodworking not something you think of in Italy as you know an IT thing IT an OT or you know really converging a lot when you talk about manufacturing as you know we talk about sensors and IOT it's it's hitting everywhere yeah for us you know 3d printing and laser cutting and we also have a CNC router they all started as experiments at the school and have turned into a major factor in for our students it's a resource that they demand and the increasing use every single year and how we meet those demands is is becoming tricky to accomplish in our you know we're in the Back Bay real estate is very expensive and we have to make our space do amazing things Jason that's great points I mean I've talked to lots of higher education and even you talk to the K 2 through 12 it was you know what mobility has had a huge impact you know therefore stresses and strains on wireless you know how do I get devices into the classroom how do I manage it I had gentleman from bu who's here at the show last year we were talking a lot about MOOCs so you know it's that that role of i TS but it's expanding but luckily they're throwing way more money at you I'm sure well we've been flat headcount over the last eight years we lost someone last year and gain someone this year so you know we we basically have to do more with less every year like most IT departments so you know we've we redesign our spaces periodically to meet those our students needs you know and turn returning what was labs just computer labs into more flexible space where students are can move the tables around and you the computers are available sometimes there we have high end alien wares in a in a cabinet they pull out news or they can use it to make models we have they can put up their designs on a 3d TV they're using VR headsets to walk around their own designs it's really fascinating where the technologies okay I wish we could spend more time anywhere in VR stuff and everything like that our production crews gamers my son's into this stuff but but Karl I'm hearing things like space constrained we need to do more with less we need to simplify this environment wow that seems like a really good set up for kind of infrastructure modernization so how long have you guys been there about 10 years right yeah so it's a change don't want one in ten years so walk us back 10 years ago and give us that point when you went to modernize yeah well when we started there's no virtualization 3 server racks in a room in the basement for 10 years that we've been there there's been water in that room twice so that always gave us the warm fuzzies you're saying it wasn't water cooling I mean no we tried for that but it didn't you know it didn't work out last year we moved to Colo facility in Summerville so and by the time we did that move yeah we did we started virtualization with VMware like three five within a year or two of me starting and the racks got you know less and less full and now in the fall we rolled out VX rail and we're in a single rack in a data center and there's I think three physical servers in that rack that aren't the VX rail at this point so it's it's consolidation power savings stuffs in a much better physical location than it used to be moving that server room out we were able to free up that space for you know the students to be able to have it's a it's a meditation space now so it's it's been really interesting kind of going through all that great what I wanted you know we don't have a ton of time but let's talk about that VX rail was your team were you looking for HCI was it you know just time for a server refresh you know what what kind of led to that was there a specific application that you started with so this event two years ago we saw Brian from bu give this presentation on their tan and that really turns us on to the whole hyper-converged option we we worked with Winslow we actually talked to another vendor and we looked at Nutanix we looked at pivot three we looked at rolling our own you know visa non FX 2 and after kind of comparing everything and seeing the pros and cons VX rail made the most sense from management perspective and a price perspective our old cluster was coming up on the five-year mark things were going out of warranty we had ecologic sand with 7200 rpm drives one gig I scuzzy just flow for most of its life we were just doing lightweight servers and applications two years ago we needed to virtualize our database server and we threw her Knicks in there with 800 gig on VM e drives and that was a great stopgap but you know we we needed something more permanent more robust - that's how we got to be X ray from a management standpoint the hyper-converged model gave us more flexibility it's easier to expand and since we're small we're not talking about you know racks and racks working together ryote you started with just three hosts so from a overview standpoint it's easy for us as we grow to just add another node and we get the compute we get the storage and we get the memory all at once as an expansion so it's the model is just fantastic for our workload that we put on it we've got like 70 servers in there the only stuff that's not in there yet is our student file server and exchange and they're going in there in the next six months yeah yeah good great and that's so so it sounds like you're real happy with the solution you've been with Dell for four years so from an Operations standpoint was there you know a lot of steep learning curve or was this pretty straightforward and very easy I mean I was I was already really familiar with the VMware piece going into this so that you know that wasn't a big deal we were already on Ruby sphere 6 and we started in the it's row of B so 6px role manager is it's kind of a stupid easy interface you know you can go in you can see are there alerts is there an update you know can it see my hardware is all that good there's not a whole lot to learn from there if we were doing V San on our own my understanding is that some a lot more complicated to stand up once you have it going you're good until you try to make a change so the VX rail manager extract abstracts all that away and just kind of gives you the the VMware experience that you're used to yeah any commentary on the economic service you know we actually found it was very interesting because our original assessment of our own needs were there was no way we could afford all flash and we started we focused exclusively on hybrid solutions and after a certain point we saw I think a presentation from Rick on the external platform and we saw the VX rail as inline dedupe and compression with the all flash and we thought wait maybe we could make this work with all flash and so we actually had a very slight reduction in RAW storage in our new platform but the percentage that we're actually consuming is far less than on our old platform simply because of those gains and it is the performance is far far faster and it's a we've just been very pleased with the implementation from a cost perspective the all-flash VX rail came in under the hybrid pivot 3 and the hybrid Nutanix products so you know we it was a huge win from that perspective we were shocked we could be able to do it thrilled with it ok final word it sounds like you're real happy with the solution when it smoothly operates well economics were good what final takeaways would you give for your peers I mean I'd say the implementation was you know the VX rail platform the the installation is as advertised it was it's basically a wizard that walks you through the installation process the very few minor issues we encountered the winslow team and the is EMC no support support people had no problem solving for us it was really a pretty easy migration to the new platform and we were able to do it with essentially zero downtime yeah awesome well gentlemen thanks so much for joining that's the promise is to get that easy button for IT HD I definitely helping to move in that direction next time we'll get to talk a little bit more about cloud and everything like that be back with lots more coverage here from wtg transform 2018 I'm Stu minimun thanks for watching the Q

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group you're watching the cubes coverage of wtg transform 2018 happy to welcome back to the program fresh off the keynotes page where he discussed the specter of clouds Rick Cowan who is the chief technology officer of window technology group Rick great to talk to you thanks for having me - all right yeah thank you for having us here so we're talking about this whole cloud thing and you and I've been talking about this for a couple of years gives it gives your viewpoint you talked a lot of customers we can talk about architecture but you know the average customer when they hear you know cloud you know there's some puffy things up in the sky but you know what what does it mean to them sure yeah so I think one of the things that we're advocating as it relates to sort of starting that cloud journey is to do some homework ahead of time make data-driven decisions and we don't want you as our you know customer base to get into a situation where you're kind of backed into a corner right where you move something you decide you need to bring it back or or or anything like that so we're a big advocate of you know running some analytics and making some intelligent decisions you know try and start with that low-hanging fruit where you can kind of ease your way in and and the stuff that doesn't require re-platforming and you know get your toes toes in the sand a little bit before you wade all the way out there yes so if I step back for a second just immersed and point one of the things I liked in your keynote is so many times we think about technology it's like oh well it's a new server or it's you know something I swipe a credit card and I go using the cloud cloud really we need to think about the operating knowledge as it's the policies and the people that are as important if not more important than the okay what's the pipe price per CPU and things like that right right yeah yeah and one of the things that we talk about a lot is that when we're talking about cloud we're not talking about a place we're not talking about who owns it we're not talking about any particular public cloud provider we're talking about a way of doing business a way of bringing your services to your internal customers and a way of kind of transforming your IT infrastructure to more efficiently consume those resources right and that's that's a change in operating model that's a change in sort of way of thinking not just from you know this whole cloud thing but also towards delivering IT more as a service yeah and you spent a lot of time talking about applications which I really like because I'm an infrastructure guy by background when we talked about virtualization when we talked about converge and hyper-converged a lot of times we're talking about you know boxes and cabling and networking and things like that the role of infrastructure is are on my application they're all the applications to run my business right that's the big theme we've been hearing for years is you know IT your role isn't to be this thing off on the side and it's not necessary you know dollars in headcount and all that are important but if you don't serve the ultimate business and what they need to do to keep us running we're all out of business right yeah this whole transformation is all about aligning right those business requirements with IT and starting to deliver services that are tailored towards what the business needs as opposed to what I can offer what my capabilities are right those need to be more in synced and that's what this whole operating model is all about right is aligning those services to the business and and creating the infrastructure so that the business can consume it more easily yeah and you gave some really good pointers I want you to give us the you know your customers because when I heard things like oh well you know let's say I'm using a public cloud well I need to understand how availability zones work and how I spread things out which you know if I'm used to you know H a on VMware or you know your hypervisor Troy some of those things I got used to it because things work they were built for the enterprise now it's you know well it's distributed but you need to think about things from that application level a little bit more right yeah and so that's something that we're trying to educate our customer base on is as we move forward and as we start to move workloads into various you know clouds public/private what-have-you we have to start considering some of those availability aspects that today we don't even think about right almost everybody who is still sitting in that traditional infrastructure they're all having their availability provided probably at the hardware level they have you know multiple controllers and clusters and all this stuff so they put a they drop an application into their environment and it's already gonna have pretty good availability when we as we move forward we have to start pushing that availability up the stack and thinking about it more at the application level and so when we're deploying workloads into different cloud environments we may be sponsible for providing our own high availability and that's something that in some cases requires a fair amount of expertise to to you know get that architecture right so that we do have the same level of high availability out in these cloud environments that we have in our on-prem infrastructure all right so Rick inside your customers you know who are the people you're talking to that kind of get this you know we lived through the transformation of like well you know the storage guy was doing this thing we need to kind of have the virtualization person own more you know cloud architect has been a title that's been you know expanding quite a lot over the last few years who are you getting at the table who's making these architectural decisions when you're working with your users yeah so we feel like it's something that we have to get the entire team on board with it's something where it might be an initiative that we start to address with the CIOs and the IT directors but it's important to get the entire organization's IT staff on board with the transition because each one is going to have a part to play and in sort of moving forward into that IT as a service sort of an organization great so you know when it looked at some of the things that wtg is doing you know obviously you know Dell EMC Nutanix VMware your biggest partners you know what's what's kind of you know the the big you know big push team today from the majority your customers and what are some of the you know more advanced customers getting excited about yeah so I think you know you listed off those those partners and when we look at them a common theme there is adding this built-in sort of cloud interoperability connectivity and feature set so when we're thinking about all the characteristics that we look for in a cloud operating model we're seeing things like self-service portals things like you know the ability to measure multiple tenants and things like this and so what we're seeing across all those partners is more and more of those features come as parts of the infrastructure solutions and that's reducing the burden on our customers to be able to deploy something that you know operates in that cloud sort of IT as a service offering and so you know some of these customers are getting really excited about that capability to write out-of-the-box deploy a self-service portal deliver these these capabilities straight to their in colonel customers without having to do a bunch of development or or you know build complicated systems to deliver them so it's a self-service portals it's the built-in cloud connectivity to be able to archive things and and send dr out to you know third-party service providers so those are some of the things that our customers who are on this journey and you know maybe they started last year the year before they're moving forward those are the sorts of things that they're starting to point out you know one of the big challenges when we talk about this rather dispersed world we're moving towards you spend some time talking about SAS absolutely SAS is the biggest piece of you know if you call public cloud some of it doesn't live in one of the big clouds or can live lots of places data right data protection a security are something that no matter where I go I need to worry about that it's there's there's no way actually in your definition you're like oh if I do SAS I don't need to worry about the data no no no great - well I think you took somebody's slide there but you know there are some people that mistakingly oh well I ran on a pass I don't need to worry about security no you do containers any of these things data protection my data and you know security I need to worry about that everywhere and that brings a whole new set of challenges yeah and and you know so you make a good point because on for example I'm a security side of things it's continues to be just as much of a concern as it ever was but it's an entirely different way to think about it you know likewise with data protection it's just as important as it ever was but it's an entirely different way to think about one of the things though that I thought was really interesting about security is that when I'm talking to these CIOs and IT directors across our customer base in the past you know if I go back rewind this thing three years they would say I can't go to the cloud because of security right now we're you know were a little bit more mature and in our cloud understanding and and starting to you know transform a little bit and they now that lists that as one of the reasons they want to move to the cloud and I think that was one of the most startling sort of realizations as that shift in my chair yeah absolutely we actually did did some surveys there was a big survey we were attached with called the future of cloud computing and you're right if I hadn't dipped my toe in I was worried about it but once I got there I realized I kind of looked in sighed and said oh my gosh what did I be doing interesting analogy I've paired sometimes is you know the autonomous vehicles and things like that I'm worried about this self-driving or even the braking or things like that that challenging have you looked at most drivers most people you know oh my gosh they're checking their tax they're you know doing all sorts of stuff there it is a bit of a mind flip as done how you think of these things doesn't mean it changes overnight or that there's there's never a silver bullet night day but you know it's some of these viewpoints that we need to change and think a little differently yeah yeah I think that's a great analogy I'm probably SD laughs all right Rick what's exciting you these days your CTO you know you're here there's you know Boston area love if you've got you know anything about you know cool things in the area or just cool tech in general yeah I think you know and and I dressed a lot of this in my keynote earlier today but I'm really high on an analytical approach to a hybrid cloud I want to start to get customers thinking about you know how we can make this a transition as opposed to a you know just jump in right in the deep end it doesn't have to be this this big jarring event as we sort of transform this is something where we can take baby steps and and start to move ourselves forward and so you know we're getting really excited about those technologies that allow us to integrate our existing infrastructure with various other you know cloud services whether they be you know platforms infrastructure and software offerings things that allow us to take the investments that we already have and you know sort of integrate and make use of these cloud services that we know can deliver value to our organization that's what we're most excited about is you know getting more out of what we have yeah you mentioned analytics I mean here in Boston you had in the opening video there was some of the I think it's the Boston Dynamics robots you know right across the river here yeah in the area when I talk to people like in the storage world we talk about intelligence but their eyes light up because we've been talking about intelligence storage for decades but no really now that with all the cool technologies yet we can really put this in here and it's not about you know getting rid of the admins it about really supercharging and be able to deal with you know we've got way more data we've got way more devices we've got way more things I'm going to have to do so you know we need some help with all of these machines to be able to pair the machines with the people to make them do their jobs better yep yep couldn't agree more all right we're going pleasure to catch up with you and thanks again thanks so much for having us here be sure to check out the cube net for all of the content here and all the shows will be back with lots more coverage thanks for watching the Q

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group welcome back I'm Stu minimun and this is the cube coverage of wdg transform 2018 I'm happy to welcome back to the program probably an interesting who's come all the way from Boston University he said three blocks away about three blocks why yes all right Brian's the director of College of Arts and Sciences information technology great to see you again thank you all right back so good news is we spoke it was just about a year ago it was August last year it's June this year I'm sure nothing's changed in your environment you know students never change technology never changes there's a little bit of change on your end a little bit a little bit last year we'd spoke of quite a bit about hyperconvergence and what's that's gonna mean in terms of Education and how we deliver that and what the experience could be like for these students and I think at this point we're satisfied with everything that Nutanix has brought to us we've deployed VDI and a couple of large deployments for whole bunch of classes so we decided to reassess and reevaluate work what we're doing this year and now we move on to application development that's great so we get many ways they say you need to modernize your platform and then once you do that we can look at what the long haul 210 which is really at the application side right exactly once we knew what we had what we could possibly do with it we decided to move forward and figure out what else can we change and we had a lot of legacy applications for the business and so this past year we hired a developer who's focusing solely on docker izing our applications so we're deploying docker and a whole bunch of applications within the college and then we're going to be doing kubernetes deployment later this year ok and let's be clear where does this live you know is this on the Nutanix platform is it in you know service riders public clouds where does this span because kubernetes can live in all of those environments in the containerized stuff at Casa and currently it's all contained within a handful of VMs within our Nutanix server environment ok we're planning on looking at calm and use using natural blueprints to deploy kubernetes and docker down the road ok so I've got the Nutanix platform what hypervisor am i using HP ok so using the HP using which of courses Newt annexes comes on on the platform and then you know in the VMS you're using containers we are um have you looked at bare metal um you know because that's one of the discussions is like well if I'm doing containers you know do I just do that on Linux on bare metal or do I do it virtual is a virtualized and there's there's pluses and minuses for each of those we did a few of the pluses that my sis had means really enjoy is when our developer is going to go crazy and do new things we can make snapshot so if he happens to do something to the environment we can restore it in ten minutes and I think as far as my developer is concerned he doesn't want to have to rebuild the environment every time he makes a mistake he's had a few close calls so far and having HP and the ability to snapshot restore it's been awesome for him okay what insight can you give us about what you know what sort of applications are they building and you said Dockers in two minute Kruger burn Eddie's you know are they building their own stack are they leveraging you know how are they getting to that state well we're taking some business apps that were focusing on both student and faculty applications dealing with various components of each and he's pulling them apart to figure out what components go into the docker containers what do we have to still reside in VMs for security and long-term use and try to figure out how to reimagine the application stack to move forward we're starting to look at reusing components that he's developing and I'm hoping that we have a lot of pieces that we can do that with so we have a lot of applications to rewrite okay and just to drill in a little bit because I've got we've got a team of the cube that's gonna be at docker con next week I've been go to the kubernetes show for a while so when you say docker are you using just the free containers which is now called mobi or using the dr. CEO as part of that I actually can't tell you that because that's miss all my developers work I did so they're using docker as you said it's like the Kleenex and do you know from kubernetes standpoint have they just built their own do you have a distribution or a platform that you just do Tanic we just downloaded the distro from kubernetes instead of a small cluster himself we're going to be looking at using calm to do a deployment on their channels natively okay really interesting stuff what what is you know you talked a bit about you know you can give a little bit of stability and recovery and things like that for your developers to be able to play in that sandbox is what gives us a little bit of the roadmap as to you know how long do they play with this and then you know how does this roll out for the university so we're looking at probably a three to six month development cycle on a lot of new applications right now part of my developers job is to try to figure out how this environments going to work my sis admins are deeply engaged with him but since most of doctrine kubernetes is developed with faced he has to do most of the legwork and figure out how it's all gonna work and so we're hoping to leverage Nutanix to have multiple environments all with the same back-end so we have dev tests and production all in the same hardware but different pieces of actually physical clusters that'll be separated so he doesn't mess around the production all too much but set up a baseline that we can use to short that development cycle even further yeah one of the things we always look at is right you've got your developers doing their thing how does that fit with the operation side is it DevOps even I interviewed Solomon hikes last year that was the founder of docker and he said actually it was an operation mindset that I had when I created this container format how are you seeing it's actually great you're all working together you're you're in discussion there do you have a DevOps rollout and what you're doing or you do you keep it separate I still keep them somewhat separate but my administrators are writing a little bit more code and scripting than they used to and I think in general that's going to be the in the entire industry where you can't just look at and have your developer do everything in docker and not understand how it works Brian talk to us about your partners for doing this how involved are the likes of Nutanix and Winslet technology and you know in Dell in this discussion of the containers agent and your developers Nutanix we've been utilizing a lot of documentation and we're gonna be leveraging them a lot when we start to look at com Winslow's we haven't really talked to them about it to be honest we probably should because they might have some ideas and other partners we can talk to Dell in it there's really just a hardware to run everything on that's stable we don't have to worry about it I'm so happy with that yeah that's not in any you know oh I don't need to worry about them there's certain pieces we always look at and I'd love your feedback on this if you know when we virtualized first and now even when we containerize how much don't I need to worry about the infrastructure I mean remember back you know 15 years ago it's like oh I'll virtualized that well have you checked the BIOS because the BIOS might not work and the server could break things the OS could cause problem you know virtualization relatively stable these days how are you finding the container stuff it's really interesting and very very unique to virtualize a virtualized environment even further it's it's kind of mind-blowing just I've been doing this for twenty years and this is much further than I've ever expected the industry to go oh yeah just wait and it's you go even further than kubernetes it's like wait is it on top of underneath or side by side with the technologies you're doing from a Cooper nettie standpoint you said today it's all in the note annex what's the value of kubernetes for you is it just kind of the cluster orchestration of containers or you know are you is its portability a piece even part of the concern that you look at there oh it's it's mostly from portability part of the applications that we're looking at down the road are going to be vertical applications especially some student facing ones and certain times of the year we're gonna have to go from maybe a hundred people logged in to several thousand at the same time so we're hoping to stand up something that we can easily move to a cloud provider and still work the same way that we're expecting it to and so I think kubernetes along with the orchestration internally on-prem it's gonna be a huge benefit for us to know the environment it's gonna be exactly the same when we move it to Amazon or Google or adder all right so so Brian you're still kind of in the thick of it here but from what you've learned so far any any learnings or things that you'd recommend to your peers that oh wait if I could turn back the clock three months I might have adjusted or pointed things in a different direction yes yeah well when our developer started he focused more on getting an application up and running before starting to learn docker I would encourage anybody that's just starting down the road get your developer learning doctor and kubernetes first because they might want to rewrite what they're doing in the application okay well Brian this has been fascinating want to give you the final word is that you look out through the rest of the year so it's a lot you know so far since last time we talked but by the time we come around next year you'll be all serverless and you know deploying things off side the globe I'm assuming but I have no idea if you told me your ago that we're gonna be doing what we're doing now I wouldn't believe you it's it's a fantastic journey it's it's amazing what we learn every day all right well Brian appreciate you sharing some of the learnings as we go it's one of the reasons we come to events like this I know yourself to talk to your peers here what's going out thank you for moving forward with thank you all right plus more coverage here at wtg transform 2018 I'm Stu minimun and thanks for watching the Q

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group hi and welcome to Silicon angle media's production of the cube I'm Stu minimun and we're at wtg transform 2018 14th annual Winslet Technology Group user conference new name happy to be back here at the heart of Boston in the shadows of Fenway Park and welcome back to the program Mike burthew who is now a senior systems engineering manager with mechanics like RIT to see it's a pleasure to be here Stu thanks for having me again really appreciate it I can't believe it's been a year since we last talked it hasn't been quite a year they moved it from August to Gok me makes me feel a little vacation there's more people here yeah gorgeous sunny day and Mike the reason one of the reasons I love doing it I get talked to a lot of users and especially up here in my backyard you talk to them all the time so give me kind of the sentiment of you know what are you hearing from users these days what kind of top of mind what you know bringing them to Winslow technology and Nutanix these days yeah I think top of mind for everybody is cloud right a lot of people are talking about you know what it's going to take to move workloads into the cloud and you know it's it's really understanding that in having conversations the customers to explain to them that that cloud is you know you have a lot of choice and flexibility with cloud today you know it's not about moving applications to your you know Amazon Web Services or Azure or Google although that makes sense for some applications that's truly an operating model right so explain to them that yeah you can still maintain your on-premises infrastructure to maintain the control that you need and also control your costs where it makes sense but there are certain applications that certainly benefit from running you know on prime as well as a public cloud yeah Mike I love that you brought up applications because sometimes you know I've got a lot of infrastructure people here we're talking about servers you're talking about networking and storage and the whole wave of converge and even hyper-converged there was so much focus on well you know let's take that infrastructure let's pack it a little different we of course want to make it simple we want to change the operating model but it's really about those applications what lives where give us what what's the mindset customers have for you know HCI near and dear to tune in hand annexes heart you know it was certain applications that usually drove that initially helped us bring together kind of the infrastructure in the applications in an HDI today I'm sure sure well you know I think many customers were initially drawn to Nutanix for the simplicity that we bring to the data center right eliminating the kind of the three-tier as we call three-tier silos of complexity in with an IT it really is all about the applications and that's becoming more and more apparent you know businesses don't want to spend money you know paying people to configure infrastructure right so but until you know relatively recently there was still certain applications that required more of that legacy infrastructure whereas now you know with with some of the work that Nutanix is done we actually can successfully virtualize or successfully move any application into the simplified infrastructure this this cloud like infrastructure and it can be managed you know in a holistic way and even if we're leveraging public cloud resources we still have that consistent control plane you know across the board yeah Mike absolutely at the Nutanix dot next show when New Orleans was just about a month ago there was still some of the messaging it's about Enterprise Cloud is that operating model that spans between you know my private data center and in the public cloud how are customers viewing cloud these days and I say that you know the journey to cloud reminds me a lot of the journey to virtualization that we've had but there is you know maybe even a little bit more discussion of applications cloud native apps you know am i lifting and shifting am i refactoring how am i doing that so you know here England what was cloud mean to them and how is that yeah and again I think it depends on who you're speaking with some organizations are all in with you know with cloud right and and there is a bit of a region where you know a cloud is again it's an operating model right it's not it's not a destination and we'll continue to say that and that's going to continue to be the case right our view is you know regardless of your applications all those applications belong within that cloud operating model but do they belong in the public cloud and again our perspective is there are certainly applications that do that can be cost effective in the public cloud just as Rick mentioned in his keynote some applications are actually more cost effective but the majority of our legacy traditional applications that are running our businesses today actually a more cost effective to run with you know your on-premises data center and the cloud operating amano really enables you to manage everything in a consistent way where regardless of you know where that application resides whether it's in the public cloud or whether it's in your on-premises data center you're going to get that same control experience that same management experience right and then you know if we kind of fast forward things a little bit in terms of where we're going with all this you know some of the announcements we recently had our our doc next show actually really show that the the we're blurring the lines even more right so it's more more about understanding cost of applications so so beam and we'll talk about this and my session a little bit later today beam is actually a product set of Nutanix our it's our first software as a service offering that actually will quantify and look at costs in the public cloud and then the goal of that is to make true comparison as to what it will look like on premises right and be able to make that transition potentially dynamically without any disruption to the actual application yeah absolutely at the end of the day when I talk to customers Mike they you know IT is heterogeneous it's always additive seems like nothing ever dies and therefore in this ever-changing and growing in even more complex world yeah I get my arms around that so you know definitely something we heard Nutanix with beam and the like what other technologies you know what what's interesting you what things that Nutanix is doing that you want to help educate us yeah so we're doing a lot of interesting things and again you know important point I want to make is we're not losing focus on our core you know when we first you know released our platform back in 2011 we built that platform to be scalable and extensible right so what we've really done is we've continued to enhance the platform truly develop the enterprise cloud operating system and what that means is we can manage our in our on-premises resources in much the same way as we can manage those public cloud resources again with that consistent experience and control plan so some of the things that we announced that dot next an including beam which again is all about costing and compliance in your public cloud you know across public clouds and again on-premises in the future we're also we also have another technology called net silk right and that still actually allows us to understand application patterns and behavior regardless of where those applications reside right and in taking all that and being able to kind of create these bubbles of platforms and have mobility of those those platforms across both your on-premises and your in your public cloud infrastructure again regardless of what public cloud provider you're actually using so that's those are two things and then the third big announcement was we call Nutanix era and what errors it's a it's a database is a service that platform it's our first platform as a service offering native offering from Nutanix so database is a service but now having the ability to take enterprise databases that you're running either an oracle or Postgres today sequel and in the near future and being able to deploy those in a very simple way or you know have a repeatable process to be able to deploy them and also have the ability to clone in provision in other locations right so if I have a large production database that I actually want to provision or that my QA department needs to actually do some analysis on ik I can do that very easily with the arab product a lot of excitement a lot of buzz around that and really adding a level of simplicity to databases that's just not existed before yeah database definitely a very hot space we've been covering a lot of the you know modernization and open source database is having on that a lot less thing I want to ask you on that is I was talking to a CEO recently and he said you know if I'm a 5 to 10 year old company it's really easy I'm not choosing one of the old databases or old applications I'm I'm gonna do something more modern I'm gonna you know using all the cool new tools like no hub spot to be able to leverage their um if I'm an older company I've got some of the technical debt it's tougher for me to make changes what are you hearing from customers as they kind of look at their application portfolio yeah you know what moving fast and what is taking a little bit longer I mean I think everybody has digital transformation top of mine and we do need to kind of rewrite those legs or app customers know they need to rewrite their legacy applications well the good news is you know during you know the time it takes to do that we can still offer our customers a good solution so you know I think it's a breath of fresh air knowing that I I don't need you know go all-in with cloud I can kind of start small start where it makes sense and then start to kind of evolve my operation of my infrastructure and I can do that in a cost-effective way the beauty of you know the Nutanix platform is we can run our mode one traditional legacy applications in our mode to applications in the same environment so if I want to leverage you know if I want to start rewriting or re-architecting those applications I can do it on premises where I'm not gonna have to worry about the cost right it's going to be cost effective it's in my own data center and then when it makes sense potentially move those to the public cloud and again do that in a very seamless way all right well Mike barthian pleasure to see you as we as well be sure to check out the cube net where if you on the top hit the search search for Nutanix you'll not only find the hundreds of videos that we've done with Nutanix their customers and the partners all of the events that we've done in the past so make sure to check out all the website material and thanks so much for watching the queue [Music]

from Boston Massachusetts it's the cube covering wtg transform 2018 brought to you by Winslow technology group hi I'm Stu minimun and this is the second year of the cube at what is now wtg transform 2018 and happy to welcome to the program Scott Winslow who is the president and founder of winslet Technology Group Scott always great to see you good afternoon still happy to be with you hey and Scott thank you so much you you not only brought us back a second year we've got a nice table here but I'm not tripping over myself saying that it's the you know 14th anniversary Winslow technology group Dell EMC user conference and lovely Boston Massachusetts in the background it was like ha it's literally wtg transform rolls off the tongue so thank you you were the inspiration for us to you your comments last year precipitated to change our name III know your team just looked at it and felt sorry for me because it didn't roll off the tongue quite as easily as as the new it was a mouthful yeah so Scott you and I did we bump into each other a bunch we'd say we tend to go to many of the shows the Dell show the Nutanix show let's talk about your show first here you said it is the 14th year its users one of the reasons Idol of coming here besides getting to talk to you and Rick and some of your partner's is users I will speak to more users in one day here than I do it some of the big shows I go to yeah I mean it's it's a great opportunity to thank our existing customer base you know we have a fourfold purpose for this event we like to educate our customers we hope that they can pick up some knowledge and maybe an aha moment that they have with they're looking at a hyper-converged solutions or all-flash solutions we've got a new Dell client display here this year that we've never had in the past so we're looking to educate we love to give them an opportunity to collaborate with other practitioners to compare notes the feedback I get from them is they really enjoy that piece of it we want to have some fun and you know it's a tradition that we want to keep rolling and they're helping you know to make it very successful so it's been a great it's been a great venue for us and a great event for so over 14 years now and Scott you couldn't have ordered a better day I mean New England you know it might change in an hour but right now temperatures in the low 70s it's mostly clear you know gorgeous backdrop here as you mentioned in the you open you know Sox have their ace pitching tonight and there are still in first place so yeah it doesn't doesn't hurt well you know we're in the customer service business right so you have to think of everything temperature starting pitcher and you know we try to make sure we've got a good agenda and there's a lot of good information for them here there to get customers to come out and spend a day with you like this is why there's a great event has going to be so biggest because year after year after year I feel like we've delivered and then we have kind of a continuous improvement process and we try to improve it every year here we are Scott one talk about your business you know first time we met you know winslet technology was one of the it was it was the Dell Partner of the year so you know been a long time dell partner the dell you know acquisition merger with emc it's been interesting to watch i know you've got some viewpoints but before we get into kind of the dell piece of it talk about your business as you know because we call you a channel partner and they're you know what's driving your business how's growth going how are things up here in new england and Beyond because yeah you're much more than New England yeah I mean well we've certainly evolved our business over the years with acquisitions being a big part of that initially we started out as a compelling partner then Compellent was acquired by Dell and then you know five or six years later after that we've the Delhi you see consolidation so I think we've had to learn to be flexible and and one of the things we've seen with that is we just each time there was an acquisition it allowed us to increase the size of our portfolio with more solutions that we can offer our end-users more services that we can provide you know along the way we've added a lot of other solutions too like the Nutanix solution and the hyper-converged space so our business is going great we're you know the highest employee count we've ever had our revenues were as high as they've ever been last year we had a record q3 record q4 in q1 we grew our Dell business by over 30% that makes Dell very happy and makes us very happy as well so you know as as this whole industry evolves and you know the digital economy progresses there continue to be the need for the services that we provide all right so let's talk about Dallas you said you've come from the compelling piece the the delicacy which the Nutanix OEM is something that I know your team is you know very involved with you know how is Dell and LEM see how they do and for the channel these days I think they're doing very well I think they you know tell likes to save they big ears and they listen well I think that they have proven that they put together a very good channel a partner program under the leadership of John Byrne initially and now Joyce Mullen you know I think that they incent you to work with them they try to incent the salespeople and sent the companies but they also put together very good programs for you to run marketing events like this so an event like this we couldn't do it without the support of Dell technologies and they've been you know very supportive of us you know they're providing speakers like Dave singer you've got all kinds of subject matter experts here we've got lots of hardware and software for folks through you know demo so I think I think overall the partner programs been very good great in Nutanix is this a you you get it through the Dell so I'm curious has it has the move as Nutanix is shifting more to really that software model does that have any impact on on your business or are you isolated from that since you've been using the Dell xcs yeah well I mean first of all we've been involved in Nutanix for you know three plus years now right before Dell acquired EMC our hyper-converged solution was Nutanix we've built together you know a very nice base with customers many of whom you know are here today so as they evolve to a software model I do think they're going to be less concerned about what or where platform it goes on because they're truly creating all their revenues you know from the software side so they're very they're they don't care really what you know what hardware platform is being used so you know we feel like we've got the best two solutions in the hyper-converged marketplace between the portfolio of Dell solutions you know visa and VX rail vce and then Nutanix with the Nutanix solution typically with Nutanix we tend to put that on a Dell server platform that's where we lean we think Dells got the best server technology in the industry that's a nice way for us to bridge that gap between the two companies so a lot of times our customers are putting a new tannic solution on a dell platform you know key themes I heard your talk rick's talk david singers talk this morning and what i hear from customers digital transformation and hybrid cloud are those top of mine with your customers today absolutely yeah I think you know Rick alluded to it in his talk a lot of customers are coming to us saying hey help us with our cloud strategy and so we're going in and saying tell us about your applications you know these are applications that we think belong in the public cloud that makes sense and the public cloud and you know that could be disaster recovery could be backup it could be office 365 and these are other applications that we think might be more well suited for an on-premise solution so that could be active file transfer and so you know we think that leads naturally to a hybrid cloud discussion we've got a customer here today a financial customer from New Hampshire and their CIO called me I had known him previously at a famous sneaker company in town he went to a financial institution and he said hey we wanna we want to move everything to the cloud can you come up and consult with us on that and we ended up putting in a hybrid cloud for him you know featuring a hyper-converged solution that had the cloud integration that he needed so I think that's the kind of activity we're involved in today yeah you use the word conversation that and the customers I've talked to they like they they need advice and they want someone that's not just oh well here's the solution that you're going to buy it no no it's a conversation there's lots of decision points and as you build out that hybrid cloud yes it's going to be made of by definition multiple pieces it's not necessarily going to be one company that's going to do it all but you know your team helps them that journey absolutely I mean you can't go in with a cookie cutter approach at sea you know you've got two years in one mouth we tell other salespeople you got to use them in that portion so you really kind of listen to the customer as I said try to understand what their applications are you got to understand what their biases are if it's a Microsoft shop you know as your might be their choice for you know public cloud or they might be interested in AWS so you got to kind of work through those you know scenarios and then build out a solution that's gonna work for them we and we rely on our solutions architects Brian veenu runs our sa team and he's got a group of five essays that we think are very adept at you know putting those solutions together yeah Brian's actually not not far from I said here you've got the new hands-on lab is one of the new things that you added here and anything from that or from other things at the event that you won't want to highlight as we wrap yeah I think I mean the hands-on lab gives you know customers the opportunity to come in and play with kind of structured and scripted demos and I see a number of customers in there using that so I'll talk to our team after the event and find out how it went we always try to look for you know improvements along the way but you know there's opportunity in there to play with those demos in terms of storage in terms of hyper-converged in terms of Dell OpenManage essentials which is the software that manages your entire server farm so I think that's been a good addition I'd say the other addition is this year is we were planning it we said hey our people are really good we need to get our people up in front instead of relying so much on the OEM and they're great and they provide great resources but I know that our people have so much to offer as well particularly because you know we're out there you know you're putting solutions together for customers and I think that breadth and depth you know comes through so that's been a nice addition this year where it's not just been Rick out on myself but we've utilized a number of members on our team Ed Palmer is the moderator for a customer experience as an outcome session this afternoon that we're really excited about because at the end of the day is a solution provider that's our job is to produce results and outcomes for our customers that's how we're going to be judged that's how we want to be judged so I'm really excited about that session because we've got em privada and Boston Architectural College they're going to present up their respective deployments and they were different of hyper-converged technology so I think the voice of the customer we really want to make sure we're continue to bring that back to this event so well Scott always a pleasure to see you thanks so much for taking the cube back to this event and thank you for all the customers we get access to we always loved to talk to the customers by the way if you're looking to get a customer on the cube that's we were always looking for customers so we look at the events or we do have a Boston area studio and a lovely Palo Alto studio so reach out to the team be happy to talk mom's to minimun thanks so much for watching the Q