>> Announcer: Live, from Anaheim, California, it's theCUBE, covering Nutanix .NEXT 2019, brought to you by Nutanix. >> Welcome back, everyone to theCUBE's live coverage of Nutanix .NEXT here in Anaheim, California. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host, John Furrier. We are so excited to welcome back to the program, Dheeraj Pandey, the co-founder/CEO and Chairman of Nutanix. Thank you so much for coming back on theCUBE. >> Thank you for pronouncing my name diligently. >> You are welcome. >> John: Gotta work on that. >> So, Dheeraj, it was a poignant moment in the keynote when you got up there with many of the people who were sort of employee number one, two, and three, four at Nutanix. They are the builders, the dreamers, the visionaries, the innovators, the disruptors of this company, a company that you started. So I'd love you to just start out by reflecting a little bit on your journey and sort of how Nutanix has evolved. >> Yeah, I mean it's a poignant 10 years, you know. The moment itself is poignant and it brought a lot of nostalgia, you know, for just looking at the early folks and how we had to huddle together in the smallest of technical blips that you'd find in our thesis, because our thesis was very bold. It was, like, hey, we can put a lot of hardware into your software. It's, like, the way Apple would say, we'll get rid of the camera and make it into an app. Like, what? There's no need for a camera anymore. So that's what we had to do with data center infrastructure. So, those moments are memorable, they're etched in history and my memory, and every time you get a tough moment now, we actually invoke a lot of those tough moments from the past and say, look, the more things change, the more they remain the same. >> The beautiful thing about theCUBE, is our 10th year as well, we've been following your journey as well. We actually have soundbites of the early interviews, and one of the things I was always impressed with you guys was you stayed the course, you didn't waver on what was fashionable at the time. HCI was an early category. You were misunderstood at the beginning and then the numbers started to show and you guys built a great business. But now, you're 10 years old, you're public. All the numbers are out there. You gotta go the next level. This is your challenge with the team. What's the focus? What's the strategy? What's the marching orders for the team now, as you go past 10 years old? You got competitive pressure. There's marketplace. The numbers are there. It's a big piece of the pie there. >> Yeah. You know, I go back to everything I just said in my last answer as well. The more things change, the more they remain the same. The friction hasn't changed. Five years ago we were a much smaller brand. We didn't have a customer base. We didn't have money in the bank and we still had to keep raising money to fund ourselves. Today, we are running this business, spending, you know, a billion dollars every year now. But it's a free cash flow neutral business, and we have told the Street that we gonna keep running it like that, but just go back to the basics. The basics of this company are what made it come to here. The same basics will need to take it from here to the next 10 years. 10 years is the new zero. I mean, I said, look, we've reset the clock and it's a very metaphorical thing to say, but it's the new zero for us, you know. So going back to the basics are the three Ds I talked about. Data, we are greater data. And we continue to be amazing at data. Reliable, highly available, high performance data management. A greater design. You know, just making things simple, and we're really really really good at delivery and when we suck at it, we go and improve and are very resilient in delivering things, you know, so whenever some things falter within our customer success, customer service, the way we delivering things with your software and subscription, I think nobody can touch us in these three Ds. >> As you guys have proven a great loyalty, customer basis, very loyal on the product. As you have to go multi-cloud, as the Enterprise gets modernized, this is a big part of your current business. What are some of the things that you're looking at, in terms of these new products? Because you don't want to open the door up for either a competitor or a misfire on you guys. You gotta continue to provide product leadership. >> Well, the most important thing is honesty and vulnerability. The fact that these things are not awesome big products yet, but they are awesome nonetheless. So how do you really have the small wins? You know, I go back in time to, Look, it took 10 years for Amazon Prime to become Primetime. It took six years for YouTube to even start to figure out who YouTube is really gonna be, and you know, Google bought Writely, which was the company that became Google Docs. Five years, they didn't know what they were doing with those things, so what's really important for the new products is this long-term greed. You know, the fact that you really have this 10 year view of a multi-product portfolio, but the most important thing is how they gell well together, how they really integrate well together, because if we don't integrate these products, and we just throw it out as things, as opposed to an experience. Customers are, like, I can buy things from Best of Breed. So how do you really make these multi-product look like an experience is where the real Nutanix design value is actually shown. >> One of the things that you guys have a good customer reaction to is the simplicity and how you can integrate well and reduce all these manual tasks, which is, people talk about automation and everything, but you guys have customers saying, "I went from 24 racks to six. "I now run everything with the push of a button. "Not there yet with the one-click but pretty close." That sounds like the multi-cloud game right now, where it is kinda hodge-podge. No one's actually figured out how to bring it all together and orchestrate it. >> That's the money statement, John. That's where the money is. Complexities where we go in and really figure out how to really save money for our customers, make money for our partners and make money for ourselves. >> And the partner-side, HPE, a big announcement that you guys have been part of. They're gonna be coming on today. How's that going? Give us the update on the HPE. >> You know, the energy levels are high, but there's a bell curve of people, you know. You can't have everybody really be an innovator, an early adopter. We're looking for innovators and early adopters. Some great discussions happening with HP account managers. They're our account managers of very large accounts, and the word-of-mouth has to basically play its powerful game actually. >> I wanna ask you about innovation. Earlier, on a CUBE conversation, you talked with our own John Furrier, and you said, we disrupt ourselves, but you also just talked about these products being these sort of long-term play and really thinking about what the, more of a holistic view of what the customers need. I wanna hear about the Nutanix innovation process and sort of how you have kept that culture of a tech start-up now that you are a company with a market cap in the multiple billions. >> You know, as I said before, we are like a billion dollar start-up, you know. And it's not easy, because everybody wants you to grow up, like, behave and grow up, and I saw one of my slides in there taking real potshots of the sand and we haven't changed much, you know. So in many ways, we're reminding everybody that it's still Day Zero and Day One. Is the great cultural gravitas that we need to keep, retained in the business, actually, in the company? You know, having the kind of humor that we had, and you know, keeping it personal and personable with everybody, as opposed to, you know, stiff upper lip, and suits and mahogany tables and corner offices. Those are things that are the antithesis of what Nutanix is. And just keeping it humble, you know. Like, the fact that even though we have layers of management in the middle, how do you go six levels deep and really have a conversation as technical as you wanted it to be and as business incisively as we want it to be? And you know, there's a lot of things you can do by going six levels deep that otherwise were not possible if you just said, look, I just talked to my next level action team, and to us, that's the engine of innovation. >> And how is your leadership changed? >> I have a new customer called Wall Street. >> That's true. >> 'Cause you know, they buy my product. It just happens to be a retail product that you folks can buy, too. It's called NTNX, the ticker. So I have Main Street customers and then I have Wall Street as a customer, and I need to figure out where to really keep them balanced, because I sell products to both of them, and it's a journey. You know, it's never easy, because there's a customer that actually wants instant success. There's another customer that says we are with you for the long haul, and what I need to find in this Wall Street customer is the ones who are actually for the long haul. My leadership, actually, is about balancing the two together. >> So let's talk about the Wall Street thing for a second, because I think that's interesting. You've always said to me, you're gonna play the long game and you do. We've kinda proved that, but Wall Street, they're very short sighted right? So the earnings come out, you gotta deal with the shot clock, as a public company. As you go to Wall Street, how are they looking at the long game? Because there's major examples. Microsoft stock's at an all-time high. They were in the 20s a few years ago. Cloud obviously is validated, so you got a cloud vision, this cloud marketplace. You're in the core enterprise, which has been revitalized with private cloud. Again, proves your thesis originally. So you're in good position and you got the cloud game right there. What are they missing? What's Wall Street missing? >> I think the biggest thing is that in any transformation is actually messy. Look at all the transformations in the last 20 years. The good thing is that those that took the tough call of transforming themselves, they really have done well, you know. And this is not just Microsoft alone, but Adobe, where I sit on the board. There is Autodesk and there is Parametric PTC and Cadence and many many other companies that have gone through this transition of getting out of the box to being software and subscription actually, and that's the journey that we said we couldn't punt and postpone 'cause we wanna be a hybrid cloud company. How can we not have subscription on prem? If subscription is gonna be the off prem, it has to have on prem subscription as well. And I think it requires communication, constant communication, watch, don't be stupid, with Wall Street as well. >> Well, Wall Street likes those valuations. If you look at the SaaS companies, or subscription-based companies, their valuations are really on a multiple, much higher than, >> I mean, look, valuation, to me, is not an end in itself. If you do it right by Main Street, I think this Wall Street thing will take care of itself. >> Awesome. On the long game with your innovation, I gotta ask you about how you're gonna look at the partnerships and integrating in, because the competitor out there in the middle of the room there is VMware and Dell Technologies. They want to go end-to-end and they want to own everything end-to-end. You guys are taking a different approach. Could you share your competitive strategy in terms of how you guys are different than that, because you're partnering? You're competing in a different way. >> Yeah, as we go into becoming a bigger company and yet, having a real child-like brain, I think it's important, really, that we are in this cooperative world and every competitor is also a company we cooperate with. Look, I mean, we run on top of VMware and more than half our customers still use VMware underneath us. We are an app on their platform. So we are a platform company. We are also an app company and our platform should run all apps and our apps should run on all platforms and that's the way we look at it. That's the reason why Microsoft is relevant again, 'cause they're still looking at, rather than a single stack strategy, how do you really look at yourselves as living two lives actually, you know? And to compete, you just have to go back to the three Ds I talked about. If you just keep doing a really good job of data, disrupting the biggest hardware players out there in data, and be really really good with design and elegance and friction-less delivery, I think we'll be in good shape. >> One of the compliments that the analysts on theCUBE always pay to you, Dheeraj, is that you have a really good sense of the wave. You really know which way the technological and economic winds are blowing. I wanna know, what do you read? Who do you talk to? What signals are you paying attention to? Or is it just this innate sense you have that the rest of us can't hope to ever achieve? >> Well, thank for that compliment, first of all. I'm honored. But I just have this simple mantra which is, the more things change, the more they remain the same. So I bring a lot of things from my consumer life because I read a lot about consumer life and I have a little bit of an artist in me and even though I am supposed to be a geek, I was telling somebody I was trying to recruit the other day that, look, I'm really, at heart, an artist, more so than an engineer, and I think a lot of what you see in this conference and this company and the product portfolio, it's really the empathy for the other side. You know, that really brings out a lot of the innovation, and obviously, I don't innovate alone, but the people that are with us in this company, I just try to tell them about the empathy that I invoke for everybody else and I read a lot of history, I'm a big history buff, and not just the last 30 years of IT, which I invoke a lot, but I'm deep into, like, the history of humans, you know. Like, last two weeks, I spent a lot of time reading about Neanderthals and the hybrid Neanderthals with humans, modern humans, and there's another ones that they found in these caves of Denisova. They call Denisovans, you know. So I read a lot of history and that gives me a lot of perspective and a lot of courage and I bring a lot of those things into this new life, that's again, as I said, it's the same as the old one, with some new color. >> You're an entrepreneur. That's what entrepreneurship is all about. What entrepreneurial thing are you working on right now? 'Cause I've known, You've gotta have your hands in some new things. What's the new entrepreneurial thinking or project that you're taking on? >> Well, the one that is very interesting one for operating a business is Capital Allocation, and it's a difficult one because you have to, basically, be somebody who really balances content and delivery, you know, and content is products and delivery is go to market, and when you go to market, it's marketing and sales. So as a company, we were tested in the last nine months to really understand Capital Allocation. I'm a big fan of the book, The Outsiders. I just read this probably a year ago, and you could see that there was some themes in The Outsiders about running the business on free cash flow, which is nothing new. It's not like Amazon invented it. They've been doing it for those 40, 50 years. Second one is Decentralized Decision Making. The third one is a really good capital allocation. So as an entrepreneur, I'm learning to actually understand what it means to decentralize decision making, and do a really good job of capital allocation, and finally, go and tell the Street about why free cash is the way to run a business as opposed to profitability and a gap way, because a lot of our dollars are sitting in the balance sheet, and they aren't in the P&L. So I think really running the business where growth matters, which is about free cash flow, about making sure that we can really create more CEOs in the company, independent decision making, and finally, this idea that you want to run this business as if it was a bunch of businesses, actually. >> Great. >> Awesome. >> One of the things you keep talking about in this interview is balance. You're balancing the needs of Main Street and Wall Street, the needs of your cloud customers, the needs of your employees, while also growing this business. How do you balance at all? As the CEO of this fast-growing company? You said you're an artist. And you read a lot of history. >> Honestly, I'm not a very balanced person. If you ask me, like, work and life, family and work, is because of my wife that I find a balance there. >> So you owe it all to her? >> Yeah, I think you can say that again, and the same thing is true for, like, one of my team members, our COO, David Sangster. He says, "Look, our health, family, and work, "in that order," and honestly, mine is in the reverse right now. So I need to really go and, These kind of conversations remind myself that it's important to actually have some balance. >> Great, well, Dheeraj, always a pleasure having you on theCUBE. >> Pleasure. >> I'm Rebecca Knight, for John Furrier. We'll have so much more from Nutanix next coming up on theCUBE just after this. (techno music)

(music) >> Everyone, welcome to a special CUBE Conversation. We're here in Palo Alto, theCUBE Studios, I'm John Furrier, the host of theCUBE video, we're here with a very special guest and the new CEO of a hot startup, Christine Heckart, CEO Scalyr. Welcome to theCUBE, great to see you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for coming on. So, you're the new CEO of Scalyr, the CEO transitioned. >> Super great founder, great engineering team. >> Yes, yes. >> Hot startup, lot of finance and a lot of customers. Tell us about Scalyr. >> So, Scalyr was founded by a guy named Steve Newman. He is a serial entrepreneur. Scalyr is his 7th company. His 6th company was called Writely and it got bought by Google and is what we all know and love as Google Docs today. So, when he was inside Google, building out Google Docs he had the same problem that a lot of engineers do right now especially if they're on a modern stack. It's really hard to troubleshoot. It's hard to figure out what's running well and if there's a problem where it's at and fix it quickly. And so he left in 2011 and he founded Scalyr. >> And so, the company has how many employees? Just give us the quick numbers of employees, funding, venture involved, customers... Give us the quick numbers. >> The company has a little over 50 employees. It just took a Series A round about a year, a little under a year-and-a-half ago. Led by Shasta Ventures. There are 300 paying customers. We grew the core customer base last year by 170% revenue. So, it's growing very quickly. We more than doubled the employees in the last year. So, like you say, it's on fire and we're trying to scale up ourselves as we help our customers scale. >> So growth is obviously rocket ship growth is an attractive, enticing opportunity for you. You've been there, done that. So, what else attracted you to the opportunity? What made you make the move to take the leadership helm as the chief of Scalyr? >> The thing that attracted me most to Scalyr is that the world runs on code right now. And for companies for whom the code is the company downtime is money, it's critical. But, in these modern stacks, it's really hard to figure out where the problem is. Everything's been so abstracted. And if you're cloud-based, if you're moving to serverless, if you're on Kubernetes or some kind of container platform trying to do orchestration... Any of that makes it faster and easier to build a service but a lot harder to figure out if and where there's a problem within the service. And Scalyr's designed by engineers for engineers on modern stacks to help them figure out where that problem is and get it solved very quickly. >> So obviously the new wave is the cloud. Cloud natives search for big opportunities converging. What's the market opportunity? What are you guys going after in terms of, if you look at the marketplace, what's the segment you're going after? Lay that out, what segment are you in? Is it just cloud, is it a piece of cloud native, what's the market opportunity? >> We serve customers who have applications built on a new stack a cloud-based stack. And typically the people who use us most and who love us most are the site-reliability engineers, responsible for keeping it up and running. Dev Ops, true developers... One of our largest customers is a company called Zalando. They're an older company that did a digital transition, and so they do online e-commerce now, one of the largest in Europe. And for their engineers, 25% of their engineers use the product daily. 50% use it weekly. So, it's part of the workflow. It helps them do their jobs better. So, it's a utility. And the founder, you said, worked at Google, obviously he saw the scale there. They have a site reliability engineer concept that's obviously run a huge infrastructure. Is that kind-of the market you're going after? Dev Ops, SRE types? >> Yep, so we're an observability tool. There's kind-of two camps of observability. We've started in the logging space. So, what we're really known for is the fast logging tool. And the reason why we're known for being fast is unlike all the other architectures that were optimized for the more traditional stack, we've been written and optimized for the new stack and we're the only architecture that doesn't use keyword index in order to do that search. And that's what makes us fast. But it's also what makes us more affordable. And it contributes to, the architecture contributes to the simplicity of how you can use the tool and how the tool is written. >> So, the core tech is, under the hood would be, what, what's the core tech in that. Because speed obviously means you've got some technology there. What's the core technology that makes that speed work? >> So, we're a true multi-tenancy product, we run on Amazon ourself, it's a multi-tenancy system, it uses massive parallel processing. And basically we can ingest any data, in fact we're designed for machine data, for logs, for things that don't, they're not full documents, it's not like a video or something on the World Wide Web. These are little tiny events that come in and there's lots and lots and lots of them. Scalyr is the name of the company, we scale up and we scale out. And what we do is, when you go to run a query we throw every processor in our system at every query that comes in. And the reason why that becomes important in this multi-tenancy architecture is the more customers we have, the more data that we ingest, the more servers we have to throw at every query for every customer. So as we grow, the service gets better, it gets faster, it gets more affordable for all customers. >> That's the best thing about the cloud, you can bring that compute to bear so you have a little flywheel of acceleration. Talk about the role of data, because this is interesting, one of the core problems we hear a lot in the cloud native world is that so many, now, sets of services being deployed Kubernetes is becoming the de-facto sceme for orchestration around micro-services, containers obviously they're our standard as well. Which means there's more instrumentation, right? So, I could almost see how the founder saw this future because he lived it. >> Exactly. >> He lived the future, and now the real world's going "hey, we have that Google-like problem, we have tons of services playing around but it's not just logging and getting a query back in minutes. These services are talking to applications through each other. This is like mission critical. >> Very mission critical. >> Is this what you guys are doing? >> Right, if you are running in a traditional environment and you're running sort-of traditional applications there are really good logging solutions out there for that. That's what Splunk was founded on, they're amazing at doing that. But, nobody had built an optimized logging system and an observability system for the new stack. And that's what we're designed to do. And you use, you said, in minutes. And minutes is what it takes for most log queries in a traditional environment. 96% of all of our queries happen in less than a second. We're fast. >> So, this is really what the Agile teams need, Dev Ops teams need. >> Yes. When code is money, when it's the company, when every second of downtime, or even a service that's impaired, it might not be hard down but it's not running the way that it should, that impacts the customer experience, it impacts how many customers you can get if you're a real-time business, it impacts revenue. It's important to get that service up and running quickly. >> So, you guys are re-imagining logging, which is more mission critical rather than okay, where the breach is, what's going on in the basic logs, like Splunk used to do. So, talk about the product. Who's the target persona, how is it consumed, you mentioned on the cloud, is it SAS? How does someone get involved, do they just download it, do they get a consult, talk about the product and the target audiences. >> So, it is SAS, it's delivered by SAS. We don't have a non-prime service today or an offering. And, typically it's the site-reliability engineer, the architects, the developers themselves, Dev Ops for sure, Cloud Ops, they're the ones that are using the tool day-to-day. And it's a beautiful dashboard, a lot of it is just point and click. You can go in, if you want to add English-language query, you don't have to learn a special query language to use this, that's why people say it's so fast and easy to learn to use and I think that's why we get the kind of daily usage we have. You don't have to be an expert in the tool, it's very intuitive, you get a dashboard, you can just keep clicking down off of a chart and get all the way to the code. In fact, we can link you from where the problem is straight into the code that underlies that so you can then go and solve the problem. >> So, it's really easy to get into. >> Very. >> So I don't need do any kind of elaborate configurations? >> No. You don't need to do elaborate configurations and, as importantly, you don't need to learn a new specialized query language. Which, again, in the more traditional systems you find that there's only a few people that really know how to use the product because you have to learn the query language. It's kind-of like CLI or something in networking. And so there's a few specialists and they're very good, but if you're an engineer and there's a problem and you want to use the tool, you don't have time to become an expert. You've got to just use it. And so, even though it's designed to search machine language, you can use English, it's pretty easy to figure out how to write that query, and it comes back so quickly, if you didn't get it quite right you can just refine and do the search again and narrow down. >> I can see why the V.C.'s like this, the venture capitalists, because it markets good, big wave, cloud native lot of growth there. Certainly hyper-scalers, enterprisers are coming next, so I can imagine that's more head room. Product is consumable, SAS, in the cloud, technology that's fast, compelling, >> You're good, you can be on the pitch team. >> Final check box is customers. >> Yes. >> So, how many customers do you have? >> We have 300 paying customers. That doubled in the last year, and we have some big names and a lot of small companies. So, some of the fun ones are Giphy, my kids love that, my husband, right? Using them every day. NBC Universal, kind-of on the other side of that. Companies for whom the application is the business. And it can be a traditional company that's trying to launch new digital transformation initiatives, or it can be companies that were born in the cloud. >> And that's only going to get better, again, the markup. There's more companies going to the cloud. Talk about multi-cloud, because you know we had conversations in the past before you came on Scalyr around multi-cloud. That's only going to increase the sets of microservices and the role of data. Not just code, because code is data. Data is code. It's going to be a whole data ops movement coming soon, we see that tsunami coming. How does the multi-cloud fit into all of this in your mind? Is it too early, is that coming later? Or, is it available now? Could your customers have the multi-cloud now? >> For our customers, if they are in a multi-cloud environment today, we're an ideal tool for them 'cause we can run on any of their clouds. Most customers are not yet in multi-cloud, but they're trying to get there. Just like most customers are not yet fully containerized, but you want to pick a tool today that will grow with you and get you to tomorrow. And that's where Scalyr comes in, because we are designed and optimized for that environment. And, there's kind-of no scale too big for us. The company was named very deliberately. We can scale up, we can scale out, and we can continue to be simple and fast as your business scales. >> Christine, you've had a track record, you've had a great career, you've seen a lot of waves of innovation. You've been working for big companies, a dozen start-ups, now you're back at a start-up. So, I got to ask you a personal question, how does it feel? What's it like back into the trenches? And, you've got a hot start-up here. One month on the job, what's going on there? >> I love it. I really love it. You know, there's 50 people in the company every one of them is high-energy they're so committed to the cause. You know, when the world runs on code and you help that code run better, you're making an impact on the world every single day. These people know it, they feel it. They're very committed. And, unlike some of the much bigger companies I've been at, you can innovate so quickly. So, I just finished my first 30 days onboarding, I have talked to our big customers, a couple dozen of our really big customers. And, they all say a couple of things over and over again, there's just some consistent themes. Fast always comes up, it's usually the first word. Simple comes up. Affordable, which is nice. People pay a lot of money for these tools and they don't always feel good about all that money. We can come in and be much more affordable and they appreciate that. But, the thing that kept coming up over and over again was the customer service and the customer support. And nobody, I come from worlds where nobody ever raves about customer service and customer support. So, it was odd and I dug a little bit, and there were two pieces to that. One, because we're 50 people, when somebody has a problem, we're all-in. It gets solved quickly. A lot of times we can sort-of flag that problem for the customer because we're keeping track. But the other thing that was brought up is when they need something that maybe we don't deliver today they ask for it. And a lot of times we can give it to them pretty quickly. There's not some big, huge long roadmap process. We're a small company, we can't always do it quickly, but a lot of times we can turn stuff around and it's great. >> Well, you're hitting the ground running, got your running shoes on, sounds like a great opportunity. You've got a lot of work to do! What are some of the priorities? I'm sure hiring is big. Take a minute to give the plug on for any hirings you have. >> So, we're just moving to brand new facilities in downtown San Mateo a couple blocks from Caltrain. And that is because we doubled the company size last year, and we need to double it again this year. So, we are hiring, if you know of any great people, please send them to us. We announced some new things at Amazon Reinvent, late last year, one of which is new distributed tracing. We're on the very leading edge of this trend, and it's an important one. It's probably a conversation maybe with Steve himself. Yeah, he's very knowledgeable, and it's a fascinating area because the APM systems, again, kind-of the traditional if you can say that for APM, have all been built for the front-end, for the websites. But, once you move into these container environments you need that same kind of capability for the back end. And so you need something called distributed tracing. It turns out that if you're born in the logs like we are doing that distributed tracing which links them together and gives you a picture systemically of what's happening and how you link the events for a fuller picture. We're kind-of uniquely good at that. So, we've got that coming out later this quarter. >> That'll attract some engineers 'cause that's a hard problem. >> It's a hard, a lot of the problems we solve are hard, interesting problems, and they're problems for the new stack, and they're problems at scale. And smart engineers like to work on that. >> You know, state's a big one, stateless applications, state is a huge problem I'm sure you guys are on, this is where the tracing plays in. >> Yes, exactly. >> Final question for you before we end is competition. Certainly people who are in the new world, going cloud native, they get it, they get the complexity, they get the opportunity as well. So, there's a lot of investment there. But, the folks that are looking at Scalyr like "ooh, what's the competitive lens"? How do you answer that? What's your response to differentiate, being different from the competition? So, there's lots and lots of observability tools, and even logging tools in the market. And from that standpoint you could say there's tons of competition. They're all built on keyword indexing, so they're all optimized for looking back, for yesterday's world. We're the only ones that are built on this very new architecture, designed for the future stack, designed for the new stack. And, we're the only ones that don't use keyword indexing. And, what we have is this amazing, multi-tenancy, columnar-based approach that gives you these advantages of fast, simple, and affordable. >> So you're staking the ground in the marketplace of speed, sub-second response, 2 queries, 4 runtime applications that are mission critical to businesses. Is that right? >> Said very well, thank you. >> Well, that's what we do here at theCUBE, we figure it out, we get the data. >> Christine, thanks for coming out. Congratulations on the new role. We'll be following you guys. Love the name, Scalyr. Scaling is table stakes now in the cloud. If you don't compete at scale, or operate at scale, or develop at scale, you're probably going to be in trouble. So, theCUBE's covering it as always. Thanks for watching, I'm John Furrier.