>> (dramatic orchestral music) >> Announcer: Live from San Francisco. It's the Cube. Covering Red Hat Summit 2018. Brought to you by Red Hat. >> Hello welcome back everyone. Day three of wall-to-wall coverage here at Red Hat Summit 2018 live in San Francisco, California, here at Moscone West. I'm John Furrier, your co-host of The Cube with John Troyer, analyst, co-host this week. He's the co-founder of TechReckoning, and advisory and community development firm. Our next guest is our (mumble) of the senior Vice President General Manager of Hewlett Packard Enterprises Pointnext HPE. Great to see you. >> Great to see you as well. Thank you. >> So there's not secret HPE been partnering with companies for many generations. And Red Hat is one of the big strategic partners. Lot of services opportunity, a lot of transformation happening, and the biggest thing is that true Private Cloud and Hybrid Cloud, and Public Clouds all happening an IOT Edge is kind of seeing pretty clearly what's happening. On-Premise isn't going away. >> No! >> It'll look like Cloud is going to run like a Cloud. >> Yeah. >> Has to work with the Cloud or Clouds plural, and then you got the IOT Edge out there-- >> That's right. >> All kind of coming together with software Kubernetes containers all kind of being glue layers in here. So, you know, must be good for you guys okay, customers can now see what you guys have been promoting. So what is HP doing with their ad? How's that tie into that-- >> Sure, sure >> You know, transformation with the cloud? >> You said it very well John. In fact when we talked to our customers weather they realized it or not, it's the Hybrid world, and the environments are hybrid, and like you said, probably private (mumble) are not going anywhere. In fact we did the CTPF acquisition, Red Pexia acquisition, and this is really all to help clients on the Cloud journey. Doesn't really matter to us whether the workload ends up in AWS, Google, Azure, on Prime or dedicated infrastructure. So, that's actually been a huge plus for us to really have a seat at the table, to have a discussion on the customers workload strategy. Now a partner like Red Hat, who have been together working together for probably 18 years now, and it's been a long steady partnership. Who they're number one OAM partner but also the point you made I think from a services standpoint that's just a huge opportunity you know, customers tell us anyone can do infrastructure service or they're looking for platforming service. So in jointly with our consumption capabilities, and Red Hat Open Shift. Now who giving them true Container Product Service. >> Containerization, how we were talking yesterday in our wrap-up. You can bring in the new without killing the old and but it's really fundamental because people want Cloud scale, they want the horizontal scalable application, devops and programing infrastructures code. But they can't just throw out their legacy stuff. Containers which allows them to nurture those applications and workload, and let it take it's natural course. This is actually good for services cause you can take-- there's a solution there. >> That's right! There's absolutely. In fact customers tell us when they looking for the platform, it's not just to help them on their new build. They're looking for help also to run the existing environment and most of the times it's not practical to re-factor, re-architect every single of the Legacy applications, and cause some of them applications, as you know, they were done to leverage the performance optimization on the underlying infrastructure piece of it, and so one of the things we're doing join to the Red Hat is leverage Containerization to provide the portability for the applications. To move between the different environments and whether it's Private Cloud, Public Cloud, but the key thing is portability, and mobility and that's sweet spot for containerization. >> Give some use cases of customers. Take us through a day-in-the-life of maybe a couple different examples where you guys are engaging with Red Hat where you coming in the customer is like, "Okay, here's my situation". What are some of the trends and patterns that you see with customers? What specifically are you, is it workload, moving it to the mobile clouds? Is it more re-platforming On-Premise. >> Yeah! >> What are some of the things that you guys are doing? >> I would say that the bulk of our engagement, and that's one thing that we feel really good about joining Red Hat. We have really shifted our engagement model to be much more outcome driven. So the discussions with the client is always start off with like a workshop, and within that workshop we're actually understanding where the customer is really trying to go, what business outcomes they're trying to achieve? Before we start we going to push a specific technology or stack with specific solution set, and by having that alignment, in in fact, we talk about that IT means to be embedded with the business. Not alignment, embedded with the business, and because the role of IT has changed. So when we talk about workload, right, it's about no longer, and I talked about this earlier today, you no longer running workload just within the Forward Data Center, and the traditional view of that IT owns and operates the Forward Data Center, that's just dead. So, it's really more about managing the supply chain. We talk about the overall workload strategy. Which workloads make the most sense to go on Public Cloud, Private Cloud, and then the discussion also centers around their application portfolio and really understanding which applications truly need to be Cloud Native. Which ones really need to be left in shift, and this whole portability concept comes into play and that's one thing joining with Red Hat because Red Hat is really good joining with us on driving this kind of innovation workshops. Then you heard this earlier today as well, and that's just the fun of if. When no longer you talking about PowerPoint presentation, this and that. It's getting in a room, getting on a White Board and talking about what kind of journey really make sense for that party-- >> That's been really notable here, this week at this conference, right. There a lot of tech, a lot of software talked about, but also on the keynote a lot of people talking about culture, transformation, getting beyond your process, and the places you get stuck as IT professionals. So that's a great way to approach it. Right, nobody starts with a list of skews-- >> No! And absolutely, the other point is that one of the things that always gets missed is the focus on the management of change, and that's one of the key pieces we emphasize that not just the business process, but the culture, the people. How you going to bring them along the change journey. So, we actually put lot of emphasis on the whole area around management of change. We actually have a practice that this is one of the keys areas they focus on. So, you're absolutely right. Key focus area. >> I did want to flip to the products for a second. There was an announcement here now and talk a little bit about HP Synergy, Composable Infrastructure, with Open Shift. Maybe if you have a headline on exactly how you guys describe Synergy and then maybe how we working with Open Shift. >> So the HP Synergy the best way I can describe it is it is truly industry first composable infrastructure, and it gives you the ability to pull fluid resources and with software intelligence built in, and Unified API. It really gives you the ability to pull the resource that you need for specific applications. In fact, I use the analogy, it's kind of like building Legos and you can pull together based on what you going to do at a given moment, and then you decompose it and build something new. So it's all done via a software and truly gives you that flexibility that customers have been seeking. So it's just to me its got a great market traction across the globe and we'll just see continued momentum when joining with the Red Hat. What we've done is now with the announcing new solutions like the one you referenced to, to support ansible automation of the Red Hat Open Shift on the Synergy platform from the three part and the Nimble product lines and it just helps scale the Open Shift and while making container operation simple, scalable and more importantly repeatable. >> I want to make sure that I get this out there, because you guys were early with composable. Dave Valata and I had a debate on this at one of your HP Discovers where, I was really lov'n the composable message. Although it was kind of for a different massage but at that time Devos was really picking up steam. But, it's actually happening now three years later the level of granularity to services level as microservices as it comes the architecture of the future. The services model is literally, "What do you want?" it's not, "Here's the solution", it's like< "What do you need?" so, you're buying off the menu, if you will, so that changes the game. So congratulations on having that composable method first. I got to ask you, the impact to the engagements. So you now have menu of services. Does that change how you guys go to market? You mention that you do kick of meeting, you do the needs assessment, so I get that. Check! good approach. But the customers now, they just want to make sure that it's custom for them. How does that change your engagement? >> At the CXO level, the discussion, no mater which way you start the discussion it tends to kind of follow into a few buckets. Rather it's about generating additional revenue, going to market quicker, or it's about safe to invest, reducing their operating expenses, or it's about securing their information network. One of the thing we find is especially if you take a look at even the containers, applications deploying it. It's one thing to deploy in the corporate environment but if you're trying to scale that with an enterprise. If the enterprises look for added features for their security, whether it's persistent storage and again the focus always turns into what can you do to help drive the total cost of ownership down. I think with Red Hat this is one thing that works great with Open standards. The focus is really much more around not just the simplicity, reducing costs, it's also about improving performance. Rather it's the physical virtual environment. So, you're right, the menu of services. Whether it's you talking about IOT Use Scape and I think you going to see more and more of that with the user experience, the focus that we talked about. Context of our apps. I use the example of going to the airport, getting into whatever transportation you using these days, but the point from point A to point B, you're no longer fumbling through cash or credit cards. It's a very easy experience, much more personalized much more usable and a lot of what some of the hospitality franchises are doing, whether you look at Starwood Properties, Marriott. Now you use a mobile device to access your room, and as soon as you get into some of the hotel property, as soon as you access their Wifi coverage all of a sudden you can actually, the hotel property picks you up. They can provide you with the navigation, how to get to your room and depending on your profile, and whether you opted in or opted out, they will push and their partners will push some specific services to you. So, how you are able to create that kind of experience and drive additional revenue and all that is possible to the point he just make, it's truly a flourishing eco-system of micro services and apps driven by the-- >> I think that business now seeing that which is great about that having a clear line of site that these new apps and new experiences is going to drive top line revenue for your customers. I got to ask you about the services now. With more services comes more delivery, right? So, options, ecosystems, you guys have a pretty big ecosystem right as a lot of other providers. You guys always worked will with multiple companies. How are you guys engaging with Pointnext with now new sets of service providers and your network. You got Cloud Service and you have someone actually maybe could be an intergrater, could be a software developer. How do you deal with this new stake holder in your equation? >> After all the spin mergers have been completed now and I think after DXC1 it really open up the door to get a lot of the system (mumble) back on the table because they don't really view us as competitor anymore. Because we no longer have a large the EDS acquisition that we had now the DXE. So whether you look at Accenture or whether you look at Deloitte and the other (mumble) we're actually partnering with them very well both in joint submission creation but also when we talk about true additions transformation for our client a lot of expertise they bring to us is very complimentary to what we have. So one of the thing we do very well is really around the technology advisor services. (mumble) bring more of the business advisory services as well as the specific vertical depth around the specific vertical whether it's emphasized retail. So when somebody talking about retail of the future or something like that. You marry the two together and you have a strong value proposition. I think the area that we have to put a lot more emphasis upon is more around program management, and because now you actually are trying to show that one outcome for the client, so it's very important whether you working with the ISB or whet ever you working with DSI or whether you working with the other intergraters, and your own resources how you going to bring that pool together around specific tracks and deliver a one common objective for the clients? The Program Manager plays a huge role in this process. >> For the folks watching. What should they know about HP Pointnext that they many or may not know about or should know about that that highlights what you guys are doing. Can you simplify, what is the value proposition that Pointnext is bring to customers? >> As the brand itself states, the Pointnext, it's really about working with the clients finding what's next in their journey. One of the thing I would say and a lot of people get surprised by this, even with after all the spin merge. We are twenty-five thousand people plus strong and we have a lot of great and deep appreciation when it comes to some of these solution and one thing we do very well is partner. Whether it's Red Hat and other SI and bring some unique innovative solution to the market and one of the thing Jim talked about here is all about accelerating user driven innovation, and when you take a look at some of the use cases we're rolling out and I talked about the analytics and the one AI project and how we're helping manufacturing clients or other use cases to truly analyze patterns and predict failures and increase productivity. These discussions customers truly trust us. With the (mumble) and CTP acquisitions we no longer just having On-Premise discussions. We have a strong public hard knowledge. It doesn't matter whether you cloud journey involves AWS, Google, Azure and what not. We are able to actually provide a very objective road map for the workload strategy and the transmission journey. >> The users in the communities as Jim pointed out in the meeting yesterday. The communities in Open Source are now also your customers. >> Right. >> So your customers are also participating in these projects upstream. Are you guys doing an Open Source work? What Pointnext doing? Are you guys relying on that community? Is there a crossover between your customers and those users in the Open Source community? >> Yeah, we always had a very strong (mumble) with the Open Source community. We contributed a lot to the Open Source communities and if you take a look at now as we working with the number of this next generation of partners, whether it's darker, scale it and Red Hat and others it's truly opened up the boundaries as to what can we push to drive new kind of solution there. I love what some of the speakers said yesterday. You remember the example from the Boston Children's Hospital where they talked about they didn't want to deal with the complexity, they'd rather focus on what they do best and so one of the thing we're focused on in the Open Source Continuity is the driving more standardization and automation. So you can run applications as scale. You can run analytics as scale. I think those are somethings we can bring to the table. >> Great! You know the thing about what's going on now with these abstraction layers is an opportunity to create new services and accelerate the services, and congratulations. Great to have you on the program. Thanks for sharing the update. >> Absolutely! >> Congratulation on your deep partnership with Red Hat. Go to see HP Pointnext doing well. Thanks for coming on. >> Thank you so much. >> Live coverage here in San Francisco California. Red Hat Summit 2018 will continue. I'm John Furrier John Troyer. 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>> Announcer: Live from Madrid, Spain it's theCUBE. Covering HPE Discover Madrid 2017. Brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. >> We're back in Madrid everybody. This is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vallante and I'm here with my co-host Peter Burris. This is day one of HPE Discover Madrid. Parvesh Sethi is here, he's the Senior Vice President and General Manager of the global client services at HPE Point Next. Parvesh thanks for very much for coming back on theCUBE. >> Good to be here. >> Dave: Last time we saw you, you were 30 days into the job. >> That's right. >> Maybe 45 days. So how's the first six, seven months been? >> It's been busy. It's actually been very good. I administered the transformation change that's taking place within the company. It's actually been really good to also working with the clients on the hybrid IT journey side of the house. And since last we spoke, we also did the CTP acquisition, which has been very well received as well. >> Well I love it, when you guys go and talk about transformations to customers. We're experts. >> Parvesh: Yes. >> We live this. >> Parvesh: Live this everyday. >> Does that enter into the discussions with your customers? It must right? >> Yeah I think it gives us a lot of credibility. Especially when you take a look at the journey they're on. And we talk a lot about hybrid IT today, making it simple. And one of the things we always talk to them about is that hybrid IT is not just infrastructure cloud. You really have to take a look at the full spectrum of the services that had to be delivered. It could be as a service providers, could be subscribing to a platform, and hosting it on-prem, off-prem, private dedicated infrastructure, or public cloud. Just a mix of those and being able to decide as to what are the characteristics that you should look at, and what will decide as to what goes into public cloud, private cloud, or where should those services come from. >> What do you tell the skeptics? You know the, why should I do hybrid cloud? Why don't I just put everything in the cloud? Do you get those questions, or is it more customers saying hey, help me with my hybrid problem? What's the-- >> Almost every single client meeting that I've been in. Everyone acknowledges the world is hybrid IT. And I have not met a single client yet who says all of their workloads are going into public cloud. I think a lot of it depends on what they want to achieve. If they want a lot of elasticity and if they need SLAs, or if they want to bring the workload back in, security compliance or organizational cultural governance processes, performance characteristics. A lot of those factors come into play as to deciding what goes where. And I think almost everyone says that it's never going to be 100% this or that just based on the characteristics that would really dictate where the workload or the application says. >> And that's the characteristics of the data. Is that fair? 'Cause it used to be, oh security. And you know public cloud, gives you fine security. Maybe not exactly the way you want it done, but is it more the realization about, you just can't move all the data into the cloud? Or you can't force your business into the cloud? What are customers saying there? >> I think part of it also comes into, for example, governance as well. If there's HIPAA compliance workloads as an example, that may dictate your decision in a certain way. But you're right though, I mean security used to be one of the big concerns, but it's more about now a person has decided they want to move a certain workload over, it's really more about how do you get them comfortable, how do you de-risk that move? And this is where thinking through the journey roadmap really becomes critical. But just because of that one aspect, it's not necessarily stopping people from moving, but it's really baking that into the design criteria as to how you move it. >> Well while we're on security, I mean, in the last five years it's obviously become a board level topic. People have I think come to the recognition. Maybe the recognition, maybe the spending hasn't shifted, but the mindset's shifted that we can't just create a moat, you know, they're gonna get in. Once they get in we have to respond. We need analytics and response mechanisms and so. How are they coming to you for help? What are they asking you for, and how are you helping? >> So I think it certainly comes into more into place can not be an afterthought. It's really more about security in and the governance has to be kind of baked in from the front end of it. So everything that we do, whether it's any solution that we're doing from IoT perspective all the way to the hybrid IT, from an architecture blueprint perspective we have made sure the security's front and center of everyone of those designs as well as the discussion criteria with the client. And so when you start looking at it's not about security partial assessment. It's also kind of looking at designing security from a, you know, architecture blueprint perspective. And making sure that if somebody's talking about hybrid IT architecture or an IoT use case, that security's front and center of the design criteria. >> If you think about the challenges that your sales, well let's step back. If you think about the challenges that everybody has at conceiving of how best to associate data, workload, and cloud implementation. Hybrid, on-premise, off-premise, wherever it is. There are, you have to have a common framework, what used to be called a computing model. A way of thinking of how you address the problem. That your sales people has to have, your support people have to have, you have to have, your customer has to have. Are there like two or three things that you're telling your people to look forward, or look for and working with their customers to help provide those clues. So crucial to getting everybody on the same page early as to where workloads are gonna end up. Where data is gonna end up. >> That's a great question, and one of the things that we're making sure that our folks are not just talking about the hardware piece of it. It's really more about before the hardware discussion takes place, making sure that we completely align on the workload strategy. As part of the workload strategy, you know we will do workshops, and we'll make sure that we totally understand in terms of what is it they're trying to accomplish in terms of the workload migrations. And before we even get to the migration topic, we really go through this criteria in terms of assessing the workloads. Which workloads are more suited to go into cloud environment. And in areas which we may need to re-architect the application or re-write it. We also kind of put those into a specific category and take a look at making sure that is the performance criteria more, is it security is it more about the TCO, and more and more you're starting to see it's not really a brokerage discussion. It's really more of strategic sourcing discussion because you're more and more are starting to talk about what is the best source to get the service from. Because there's no shortage of choices that they have today where they can provide these services from. So it's really more of about understanding what they're trying to achieve. And then understanding the sourcing policy. Understanding the alignment between the IT and the governance piece of it, the whole business side of it, and the IT side of it. And then it's really more about the supply chain management. You heard about One'Sphere today. But it's really more about how do you take this complexity out of the hybrid IT environment, and making sure that you can provide the automation and that capability to provide it as easy of environment for them to have a single plane of glass. So those are the key pieces of the framework that we try to make sure everyone is on same page. >> You mentioned cloud technology partners. We heard about One'Sphere today, that's obviously the CTP is part of that announcement. Small company, but very high quality customer base. It's very specialized. Take us through the rationale for the acquisition, kind of what the value is to your customers, and where it's headed. >> I think last time when we spoke we talked about our overall strategy. One of the key pillars is really around making hybrid IT simple. And we know when we talk about hybrid IT it cannot be just the on-prem part of the storyboard. You have to talk about the public cloud side of it as well. And this is where the CTP acquisition comes into play to really plug a hole. I mean we had some capability in house, but not to the extent of what CTP brings to the table. I mean they are premiere partner to AWS, premiere partner to Google, silver partner to Microsoft Azure. And so having that kind of credibility and the recognition in the US and North America, certainly gives us more credibility with our customers talking about the hybrid IT story. And then taking that skillset, assets, and the IP, we want to take that and leverage of our channel community, as well as our install base, as well as of our capabilities in Europe as well Asia, and help scale that globally is really a way how we're gonna leverage this skillset and asset set. >> So we're in beautiful Madrid, Spain at the EMEA Discover. Cloud is a global phenomenon, but it's not uniform. From your perspective of providing services to customers that have global needs as well as local needs, take us through how Europe is different. Start from the observation that we've got North American cloud players, public cloud players, we've got Asian cloud players, we have not an obvious European cloud player. How is it different on a global basis, and what is HP doing to mass those differences, HPE doing, to mass those differences from your global and local customers. >> So I think one of the things you are finding here the need, and we talked about this earlier today, the need for as a consumption models. And you're seeing that the trend globally. And more and more people, more and more customers are talking about not wanting to necessarily own, but how do they pay for what they use. And so one of the things we do is from a framework perspective we've really deployed a very consistent framework, uniformed transformational framework, UTF. And we did apply for a patent for it as well. But the idea there is to leverage a common methodology, common framework to take a client through in terms of how to go about this cloud journey. Everyone is on a different place in terms of the cloud adoption, their digital transformation journey. But through the experiences that we have, I mean we do well over 10,000 engagements a year. Leveraging that IP, we have really built like full interconnected journey roadmaps. And so a client, you can take any client, whether a service provider or enterprise, they're somewhere on that journey roadmap. And they may be in a different place, but being able to talk to them, leveraging that common IP and say look, this is where you're at today, here's the roadmap that you can take to get to your desired end state. And that has really resonated with the clients. And if they truly don't want to own the infrastructure, and they just want to pay as you go, this is where the whole HPE, GreenLake announcements have really come into play. So I think those teams when you take a look at the performance characteristics, organization governance issues. Because one of the things that we find is 70% plus of the clients that we talk to, they have not been able to really maximize the full potential of what hybrid IT gives them. And one of the major hurdles we see, and doesn't matter whether you talk to a client in North America or EMEA or APJ. It's really the lack of focus on management of change. It's the organizational, the cultural barriers that get in the way. It's the competencies, the organizational processes that get in the way. So those are the pieces we want to make sure as part of the UTF framework, IT is just one of the principles. And of the other domains, management of change is one of the key elements that we see, which is common across all the client base that we talk to. >> When you go back to the early part of this decade, and you observe sort of the big, remember the big data meme it sort of exploded in 2010, 2011, 2012. It ended up being a very, complex of course, but also very services led, engagements because it was so complex. IoT is somewhat similar, it's very data oriented, it's very complex. So talk about services and the relationship with IoT, the opportunity for you and how you're helping add value to customers. >> Now that's a great question also Dave. I think when you take a look at the IoT. I think we're starting to get past that half cycle. And a lot players will talk about they got hundred plus proof of concepts going in their lab, but they just have not been able to bring it into the mainstream. And so one of the things we're talking to clients about is starting to move away from the terms like proof of concept. Focus on proof of value. Because at the end of the day, if you cannot help your line of business accelerate time to value, no matter how great of a concept you have, it's never going to see the day of light. So this is where the point next services really come into play with the whole advisory led motion because it's still very much a services led motion today. Working with the clients around how they can really help shorten the time to value. Accelerate time to value. And if we can take even one or two use cases they have in their labs today. And show them how they can get to 50, 60 million dollars of savings like one of the oil and gas customers we were just talking to. Same thing we see in the retail manufacturing. Is just taking some of the spoof points, and say this is how you can actually bring them into the mainstream, and make sure they also start to have the business alignment. That's one of the common things we hear from the CXOs here this week is the business alignment between the IT and the OT side if they're talking to the IoT use cases. Because without the business alignment, believe me you're not gonna be able to get the management of change that you're seeking to derive. >> So do you expect or are you seeing yet new business models. You were talking about the cost savings, but what about sort of the new business models emerging from those discussions and opportunities. >> Definitely I mean if you take a look at whether it's the hospitality suite, you know Kathy talked about main stage about even the retail experience that we're just starting to be very different. So when you look at the new value that's being created, you know a lot of us who travel to get here, when we check into the hotel, a number of places now, you can check in digitally, 24 hours in advanced. You never have to stand in line for a queue. Don't have to flash up your credit card because the hotel's have really now started to leverage the digital transformation where 24 hours in advanced you can check in online. They'll give you a digital key so on your phone when you walk into the hotel, as soon as you're within a threshold you get onto your wifi network and you see a personalized message. And it has also the directions to your room. And when you get to your room, you use the digital key to get in. Think about the possibilities it creates to launch new services for not just the hotel, but it's also affiliates, the partners for pushing specific targeted advertising offers while you're in Madrid here or some other place. So you're starting to see these new value creations even though behind the scenes you still have them integrate a lot of their digital critical business systems whether it's CRM, reservation systems, or smart buildings. You have to still make sure the security's in play. And so it is really you checking in, not someone else. As well as making sure the room is available. But it's really more focused on the business outcome. And this is one of the things that you're seeing even in a portfolio shift, it's no longer talking about some implementation services, integration services. When we sit down with a client it's really more focused around what outcome are we delivering. It's not talking about, look we can sell you x numbers of servers, or we can sell you devices. More about here's the business outcome that we'll deliver for you. And this is what you're gonna be able to do with that additional value creation. >> Do you mean I might be able to not have to wait in line a half hour when I check into a Las Vegas hotel in the future? >> Parvesh: Absolutely. >> Peter: No that will never happen. (laughing) >> No definitely, I mean you see improvements every single year. And hopefully, whether you walk into a retail shop, be able to experience differently walking from home into a branch store and what that experience will look like, it'll be very very different than what some of the people experience today. >> Lots of changes coming. All sort of based on the data, Parvesh thanks very much for coming on theCUBE, it was great to see you. >> Absolutely it's great to be here, thank you so much. >> You're welcome alright keep it right there everybody we'll be back with our next guest Dave Vallante for Peter Burris. This is theCUBE, we're live from HPE Discover Madrid 2017. (electronic music)

>> Narrator: Live from Las Vegas, it's the CUBE covering HPE Discover 2017. Brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. >> Okay, welcome back everyone. We are live here in Las Vegas for SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE's three-day exclusive coverage of Hewlett Packard Enterprise, HPE Discover 2017. I'm John Furrier with my co-host, Dave Vellante. Our seven-years covering HPE, and we have our next guest whose been on the job for seven weeks, Parvesh Sethi, Senior Vice-President of HPE Pointnext Consulting. Industry veteran of cloud. You understand what's going on. Appreciate you coming in and sharing-- >> Thank you for having me. >> Your talking points with seven weeks on the job, but you're new to HPE, welcome to theCUBE. So fresh in to HPE, got a fresh eye. You've been around the industry for a while. What is the hybrid journey for HP? Because you were just in the Q&A with Meg and Antonio with the press and the analysts, and still people are trying to put it together. Like, with no cloud, how do you guys fit in this? So, hybrid cloud, simplifying hybrid IT. They're not saying simplifying hybrid cloud, simplifying hybrid IT, which implies cloud. >> Exactly, I think the approach that I would take is if you look at the role of the IT, it's really changing. I mean, you can consider IT to be the strategic sourcer now. It's no longer we built it, we own it, we run it, because now they're really managing a supply chain. So, you're looking at the private cloud, public cloud, and people having the highly-automated infrastructure, or software-defined infrastructure, and legacy b-spoke systems. The job of the IT is really getting very complex. When you heard Meg talked about making hybrid IT simple, so for Pointnext Consulting standpoint, it's really working with the clients about making that journey much more simpler, and making sure it's not just simple, but the speed is there. Also we'll ask that we are focused on the workloads to really moving the workload securely. Because, at the end of the day, the whole journey is really centered around the workload-side of the house. >> And your role is, am I correct, is tip-of-the-spear consultant? Is that right, and strategy consulting? >> That's correct. It includes the consulting and the professional service portfolio. >> So, help us understand, because when EDS went to CSE with the spin-merge, all of the sudden you're seeing Accenture, Deloitte, and others come out of the woodworks. And this is their wheelhouse, in strategic consulting, so where do you pick up, and how do you relate to those guys? >> Yeah, no, it's a great question. In fact, it's with the spinoffs, it's also given us a great opportunity to really work with number of the SIs, and so we're have a close work relationship with number of them, and the way I look at the strategic consulting, where we add value is really more around the technology consulting piece of it. And because that's where we feel that we can really add differentiation. And partnering with some of our SIs, that's where they can help us from the verticalization piece of it, the business process side of it, because that's not really our core strength. Our core strength is really around the technology consulting, and also being around, and dealing with, and doing 11,0000 plus engagements every year. From Pointnext perspective, that's lot of experience that we bring to the table partnering with the ecosystem, we truly bring some of these outcome-based solutions that we keep referring to. >> Dave's team at Wikibon has put out some pretty seminal research. I think it's very unique. I don't think any other research firm has actually documented this, even captured the numbers. But, they just did a report called The True Private Cloud Report, go to wikibon.com for the folks watching, but really what it illustrates is that IT is not declining, it's only increasing in its capabilities. So, yes, server shipments might be declining, but, at the end of the day, IT is changing and growing with cloud. But one of the points in that survey is the TAM is 260 billion plus in true private cloud. And that doesn't include hybrid. But, the other statistic besides the TAM is the fact that the labor costs are undifferentiated, and being automated away with cloud, which is a good opportunity. And then the shifting of those resources to differentiated apps or services is the focus. That's business transformation. That's what you guys are doing. Share with us your thoughts, and how you guys look at that. Obviously, you're only seven weeks in from an HP perspective but you been in the industry. How are you guys going to attack that trend, and ride that wave of shifting that to differentiated capabilities? >> Yeah, I think so one of the things you always hear about from a technology standpoint, lot of folks focus on just the technology piece of it. What we're finding is when we engage with the clients, it's really taking a look at, even before the technology, it's what is the strategic framework. Why do so many digital transformation projects stall, or fail? Because there's no interned alignment in terms of business, IT, and OT side of the house, so what you're seeing is from the consulting side of the house is kind of making sure that we bring these things together. And we have a methodology called Unified Transformational Framework, UTF, which has seven key domains, and one of the first things we do when we engage with the client, we bring them together, business side of it, the IT side of it, and we assess where they're at today in each one of those domains, and assess the gaps. We actually put together a strategic framework with them in terms of what is the desired state where they want to be, where they're at today, and how do we map out that cloud journey together with them. And, more importantly, what are the key outcomes they are really seeking. And so if they are looking at focusing on achieving certain cost-efficiency, or launching new services faster, or securing information network, or from an IOT perspective, what are the specific use cases, like for oil and gas, you may have heard some of the examples here with Tech Smart on refinery of the future. What are some of the outcomes they're looking for, and then kind of working backwards to make sure that we can take them on that journey roadmap, and accelerate that whole journey. It's the time to value equation. >> So it would seem like the hybrid IT message that you guys provide is the foundational infrastructure for a digital transformation. Okay, sounds good, now, let's peel that back a little bit. Because, if I'm an executive in a board, I'm saying, "Okay, great, how do we get started, "how do we pay for it?" You come in with your maturity model, here's where you guys are at. How much of that conversation is around the data? And data, data value, how to monetize data, how it contributes to whatever objective, raise revenue, cut costs, et cetera. How much of the conversation do you anticipate is going to be around that data? >> No, it actually is quite a bit of floor discussion on the data as well. So, I'll take it in steps of there's two main types that come up. One is really around the workloads as to enterprises have hundreds, thousands of applications running but not every application, not every workload needs to move to a public cloud or private cloud. Some of them may be more suited towards just a dedicated infrastructure that they already have. One of the first things we focusing on through the tool, we do an inventory, as well as through the interviews. Because one path doesn't give you all the information that you seek. Synthesizing the two really gives you the full picture. And, then on top of it, more and more data is getting generated at the edge, and so in terms of what do you do with the data, how can you help them drive a real-time action, and then what can you do to monetize on that data, just like the example with the M1GD team that's been showcased here, that's not just change the fan experience, it's also helping them taking the look at the data, the loyalty, and everything else, and then increasing opportunities to drive top-end growth from the revenues in the concession stand, or promotional material, your absolutely right, the focus is more about not just guarding the data, the data production, data consumption, it's how do you monetize on that piece of it. >> And does HPE focus more on the IT transformation, and your partners like the big SIs on the business transformation, or no, is it not that simple, it's not that clear? >> Yeah, I mean, it's hardly just kind of say, okay, those are in their silos because there's that intersection point that really drives additional transformation. That's one thing that I think we are uniquely positioned, because number of these solutions you see on the demo floor here who are jointly partnered up with our ecosystem, and that really drives that value up from the business outcome standpoint, it's not just what the technology is able to do, it's not just, yeah, if we're able to have a faster server, this then that, it's really more about what will that enable. In turn, what is the business outcome that's enabling. >> But I would imagine your partners are deep experts in some healthcare business process that HPE doesn't possess, then you guys, from a technology standpoint, can go much deeper than they can. My question is how much of the conversation from your partners has been, or do you expect it to be, "Hey, you know what, if you could do this, you know, "with the technology, you know, we can really "help this company, and win a large deal," for example, which is a semi-custom, you know, and it requires a deep technological expertise to marry with that business process. >> No, absolutely, in fact, I was with a partner earlier, and actually what you just called out was very similar discussion with him. From a healthcare perspective, one of the things we can do, and we have done, where the picture in archiving communication system, we can package what one of the other providers does along with computing and for storage, package that up, and where the configuration provisioning time is reduced dramatically when they show up on site, everything is preconfigured. But, then jointly with a partner who has more knowledge about the patient experience. Marrying the two, you can actually see not just how the healthcare provider and the patient are going to interact, but how also the information that's generated there, how can that be analyzed at a remote location through a specialist. So it's that whole value chain that you can do with a partner that you're just not able to do yourself. >> Am I correct that you run a PNL, right, this is not a free-beat. >> That's correct, no. >> Okay. >> Yes, so from that standpoint we do work with the ecosystem where there is some investment made on the solution of it, but then, obviously, you take a look at does the solution make sense, is there a market for it, can you do the repeatability aspect of it, and, if the answer is yes, then certainly both starts get much more happily engaged. >> Parvesh, talk about the dynamic in digital transformation, specifically, around as companies really transform from being analog to digital. That basically makes them cloud service providers. >> Right. >> So if you have a sass-ification, that's kind of a shift, this is the shift in IT we're talking about, yeah, keeping the lights on, running servers in the data center, old way, classic enterprise. Portions of their operations now have to be shifted to this new way of doing IT to be a service provider, yet they're not service providers, but they're becoming one, or the end-user customer might buy from a partner that's becoming a service provider, either building their own cloud. Is that how you guys see it at Pointnext, and how are you nurturing this, or working with this mega-trend that's the cloud is enabling? >> Couple of things happens. I was with a client very recently, and they've been actually doing number of use cases, fifty plus use cases in the labs, and on the whole use cases around digital transformation. Each use case theoretically can generate millions of savings for them. By the same token, they haven't been able to take it out of the lab and mainstream it, so this goes back into the alignment piece of it, and then also the cultural and the organizational aspect always gets overlooked. Because if the focus is just on the solution piece of it, or digitalization of the workflow, and you have not the trends from the workforce in terms of how they should evolve, how the skillsets should evolve, and if certain roles are getting combined, how should they be dealing with that piece of it. We are talk about DevOps or OpsDev. It's really the whole notion around how they should be working differently than before. If that aspect of it hasn't been put a lot of focus on, most of these transformations literally stall or fail. >> You mean on the cultural piece of it. >> On the cultural piece of it, absolutely. This is another area that we put lot of focus on, and, in fact, one of the offers we rolled out, the management of change, is actually getting lot of traction just because of that reason. >> You know, one of the challenges that the companies that I talk to have is actually funding the digital transformation. The incentive to do it is well, if we don't do it, we're going to get uber-ized, okay. So people get that, but, at the same, then the CFO's are, "Okay, that's fine, "but how are we going to make money at this, "how are we going to actually pay for this?" And, really, for organizations that can show that type of path to profitability, if I may, it seems like it gets more traction, and has staying power. I wonder if you could comment on that. >> Well said. In fact, a number of the engagements we start off with, that discussion always comes up that we don't have any extra funds to go do this thing, but we have to do this thing in order to stay relevant. >> John: What do we do. >> Yeah, so one of the things we focus on is safe-to-invest initiatives. For example, you heard the example of ALDO Group, one of the large global retailers. The federate structure, and then moving towards where it can be had they can move towards a centralized as well as a global centers architecture that can help them drive more speed, cut down the provisioning time, cut down on the operating cost. When you have initiatives like that, the enterprises can then take those savings and then show the CFO that this is how we can apply those savings into these key initiatives that can continue to make us more relevant, and also transform the end-user experience, or their end-customer experience. So, I think as you do this on prioritized use cases, that gives you more credibility in the organization to go do lot more and much faster. >> So, final question for you. Observations, new to HPE, now, Pointnext, New to HPE Discover here, as an employee, what's your observation about HPE Discover, their position in the marketplace, vis-a-vis, the industry scope and trends that are out there? >> First of all, I think coming out here, this is my first Discover so I see a lot of excitement here, and I think up to the point that you made earlier, Dave, with the spun-offs, I think that has really opened up a lot of the doors where a lot of the partners say, "Look, this is something we can do more together of." So, every meeting that I've been with a customer since we're partners, they see us kind of where we're the top stack, who are not biased towards that, right, because this is not where we play, but we play more for roll out the solution aggregation, plus also bring lot that experience to really guide them on their journey. One of the things I constantly hear is if you can help us accelerate time to value, and you can help us drive the acceleration, because a lot of these initiatives stalling, help us on that journey, there's tremendous opportunity for both sides. So that's what we see lot of excitement here. Parvesh Sethi, Senior Vice-President, Pointnext, welcome to theCUBE, thanks for your commentary and insight. >> Thank you for having me. >> Appreciate it, good luck with your journey. This theCUBE bringing you all the digital transformation and conversations here at HPE Discover 2017. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. We'll be right back. (upbeat music)

>> Narrator: Live from Madrid, Spain it's theCube, covering HPE Discover Madrid 2017. Brought to you by Hewlitt Packard Enterprise. >> Welcome back to Madrid everybody. This is theCube, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante and I'm here with my co-host for the week, Peter Burris, otherwise known as Mr. Universe. This is HPE Discover Madrid 2017. Flynn Maloy is here as the Vice President of Marketing the HP Point Next. >> Hi guys. >> And John Treadway is here as the Senior Vice President of Strategy and Portfolio at Cloud Technology Partners, an HPE company. Gentlemen, great to see you again. Welcome to theCube. >> Great to see you. >> It's been a good week. We were just talking about the clarity that's coming to light with HPE, the portfolio, some of the cool acquisitions. You and I, Flynn, were at this event last year in London. You had the Cheshire Cat smile on your face. You said something big is coming. I can't really tell you about it partly because I can't tell you about it. The other part is we're still shaping it. Then Point Next came out of it. How are you feeling? Give us the update. >> It's been a really exciting year for services. This time last year we knew as Antonio announced, we're going to be bringing our services together after we announced that we're spinning out our outsourcing business. We're bringing technology services at the time forward. We had a new brand coming. We purchased Cloud Cruiser in February so we're investing in the business. We also invested in services back in the engine room all year long to really build up to our announcement this week with Green Lake which takes our consumption services to the next level. Then of course in September we continue to invest and acquire Cloud Technology Partners and by the way brought on our new leadership team with Ana Pinczuk and Parvesh Sethi. For us here at HP it's really been a banner year for services. It's really been transformative for the company and we're excited to lead it going into FY '18. >> John, Cloud Technology Partners specializing, deep technology expertise. You've got an affinity for AWS, you've got a bunch of guys that reinvent this week in close partnership with them. Interesting acquisition from your perspective coming into HPE. What's it been like? What has HP brought you and what have you brought HP? >> That's a fantastic question. We have really found that everything about this experience has exceeded our expectations across the board. When you go into these things you're kind of hoping for the best outcome, which is we're here because we want to be able to grow our business and scale it and HP gives us that scale. We also think that we have a lot of value to add to the credibility around public cloud and the capabilities we bring. You hope that those things turn out to be true. The level of engagement that we're getting across the business with the sellers, with the customers, with the partners is way beyond expectations. I like to say that we're about six months ahead of where we thought we'd be in terms of integration, in terms of capability and expertise. Really bringing that public cloud expertise, not just to AWS, we do a lot of Azure work, we do a lot of Google work as well, really does allow the HPE teams to be able to go into their clients and have a new conversation that they couldn't have a year ago. >> What is that new conversation? >> The new conversation is really about, and we like to use the term "the right mix." I.T. is not just one mode. You're gonna have internal I.T., you're gonna have private clouds. Public cloud is a reality. AWS is the fastest growing company in tech history ever. If you think about that it's a reality for our clients, HPE clients, that public cloud is there. That new capability that we could bring, that credibility is that we have done this for the last seven years with large enterprises across all sorts of industries and domains: Toko, healthcare, financial services in particular. We bring that to the table, combine that with the scale and operational capability of HPE and now we have something that's actually pretty special. >> Just to add, it is about the customers at the end of the day. It's about where do those workloads want to land? Public cloud, private cloud, traditional, those are all tools in your toolbox. What customers want to know is what is the right mix? There are workloads that are ideal for going to the public cloud. There are workloads that are ideal for staying on prem. Finding that right mix, especially by bringing in the capabilities of what needs to go to public cloud that really rounds out our portfolio for hybrid I.T. >> I'm starting to buy the story. The upstarts, the fastest growing company in the world would say old guard trying to hang onto the past. I like the way you framed it as look, we know our customers want to go to the cloud. They want certain workloads to be on prem. We want them to succeed. We're open, we're giving them choice. Maybe two years ago it sounded like bromide. But you're actually putting it into action acquiring a company like CTP. It's interesting what you were saying, John, about well no not just AWS, it's Google, it's Azure. You've got independent perspective on what should go where or on prem. >> We always have so even as a company that derived most of our revenue from public cloud over the last few years, we've never, ever been the company that said everything should go to public cloud. Toss it all, go to Amazon, toss it all, go to Azure. Never been our perspective. We've had methodology for looking through the application portfolio and helping determine where things should go. Very often a large percentage of the portfolio we say it's good where it is, don't move it. Don't move it right away. >> But in the past that's where it ended. You said okay, hey, go figure out, go talk to HPE. >> That's actually a funny thing because we've had this conversation. Literally when we would say okay we'll take care of this part for the public cloud, but you're on your own for the private cloud stuff, in the past HP would do the reverse. We'll help you with the private cloud stuff, and we think this could go to public cloud. But you're kind of on your own with that. Not that there wasn't any capability, but it wasn't really well developed. Now we can say this should go to private cloud, this should go to public cloud and guess what? We can do both. >> Dave: So now you've got a lean-in strategy. >> Absolutely right, as John said the funnels and the response from our customers have been outstanding. As you can imagine, Mike, all of our top customers are saying fantastic, come talk to us, come talk to us. They're having to prioritize where they go over the last few months. We are well ahead of where we were. >> We strongly believe over the years that the goal is not to bring your business to the cloud. It's to bring the cloud to your business. That ultimately means that public cloud will be a subset of the total although Amazon's done a wonderful job of putting forward the new mental model for the future of computing. Can you guys reliably through things like Green Lake and other, can you present yourselves as a cloud company that just doesn't have a public cloud component? >> Let me approach the response to that question in a slightly different way. When you look at our strategy around making hybrid I.T. simple it's not necessarily which cloud is the right cloud? It's not really about that. It's about where should the workloads land? We do believe that the pragmatic answer is you need to be a little bit above all of those choices. They're all in the toolbox. If you look at, for example, our announcement with One Sphere this week that's a perfect example of what customers are asking the industry to do which is to look across all of it. The reality is it's hybrid, it's multi-cloud and speaking at that length. >> But you're saying it's a super set of tools that each are chosen based on the characteristics of workloads, data, whatever it might be, that's right. So John look, as human beings we all get good at stuff. We say I know that person I can stereotype him. I can stereotype that. What's the euristic that your team is using to very quickly look at a workload? Give our audience, our clients a clue here so that they can walk away a little bit and say well that workload naturally probably is going to go here. And that workload's naturally going to go there. What's it like 30 second where you're able to generally get it right 80% of the time? >> It really comes down to a set of factors, right? One factor is just technical fit. Will it work at all? We can knock out a lot of workloads because they're on old Unix or just kind of generally the technical fit isn't there, right? Second thing is from a business case. Does it make sense? Is there gonna be any operational saving against the cost of doing the migration? Because migrating something isn't free right? It's never free. Third is what is the security and governance constraint within which I'm living? If I have a data residency requirement in a country and there's no hyper-scale public cloud presence in that country then that workload needs to stay in that country, right? It's those types of high-level factors we can very quickly go from the list of here's your entire list down to already these are candidates for further evaluation. Then we start to get into sort of deeper analysis. But the top level screen can happen very, very quickly. >> You do that across the, you take an application view, obviously. A workload view. Then how do avoid sort of boiling the ocean? Or do you boil the ocean? You have tools to help do that. >> We do, I mean we've invested a lot in IP, both service IP and software IP in both Point Next also comes with some strong IP in this as well that we've been able to merge in with. Our application assessment methodology is backed by a tool called Aura. Aura is a tool for taking that data, collecting it, and help providing individualization in reporting and decisioning at the high level on these items. Then every application that looks like a great candidate for something that I'm gonna invest in migration, we need to do a deeper analysis. Because it isn't lifting and shifting. It doesn't work for 90% of the applications, or 80%, or 70. It's certainly not anywhere near 50% of the applications. They require a little bit of work, sometimes a lot of work, to be able to have operational scale in a public cloud environment because they're expecting a certain performance and operational characteristic of their internal infrastructure and it's not there. It's a different model in the public cloud. >> A lot of organizations like yours would have a challenge presenting that to a customer because they can't get the attention of the senior leaders. How is it that you guys are able to do that? You were talking I think, off-camera, talking about 20-plus years of experience on average for each of your professionals. Is that one of the secrets to how you've succeeded? >> This is a big thing and why this integration's working so well is that the people, the early team all the way through today of CTP are all seasoned I.T. professionals. We're not kids straight out of school that have only known how to do I.T. in an Amazon way. We have CIOs of banks that are in our executive team, or in our architecture team that have that empathy and understanding of what it means to be in the shoes. Not having this arrogant approach of everything must be a certain way because that's what we believe. That doesn't work. The clients are all different. Every application is a snowflake and needs to be treated as such, needs to be treated like an individual, like a human. You want to be treated like an individual, not like -- >> Stalker! (laughing) >> Gezunheit. (laughing) >> Okay, so now the challenge is how you scale that. How you replicate that globally and scale it and get the word out. Talk about that challenge. >> That's right and one of the big things we're really excited to see is the merger of the IP that comes from CTP along with everything that we have inside of Point Next and then rolling that out to the 5,000 plus consultants that we've got inside of HP and our partners. That's really where we're expecting a lot of the magic to come from is once we really expose the integrated set of what those capabilities are we think, and Ana has said it on stage. We had heard from a couple of analysts that we believe that together we have the largest cloud advisory in the industry today. >> It was interesting we actually had, we've had challenges in the past where we've gone into clients and were starting to get into some pretty serious level of work. We were a younger company, didn't have the scale, and scope, and capability of HPE. Now we're being brought in to these opportunities and the clients are saying HP, you're right here. We can do that. We have the scale to now start doing the larger transformation programs and projects with these clients that we didn't have before. Now we're being invited back in, right? In addition to that being invited in because now we have the cloud competency that we can bring to the table. >> You know what, I kind of want to go back to the point you made earlier about how it's all cloud. That resonates with me. I think it is all cloud depending on where you want to land the various pieces. If that's what you want to call that umbrella I think it makes a ton of sense. You know, a lot of what we've announced this week with Green Lake is about trying to bridge the benefits gap with public cloud as the benchmark for the experience today for what needs to stay on prem. When you sit down and for all those reasons you outlined, whether it's ready, whether it isn't ready, where the data has to sit, or whether or not. There's gonna be x-workloads that need to stay on prem. We've been working hard in the engine room to really build out an experience that can feel to the customer a lot like what you get from the public cloud. That's gonna continue to be an investment area for us. >> If the goal is success for the business then you don't measure success by whether you got to Amazon. >> That's correct. >> The goal of success is the business. You measure success by whether or not the business successfully adopts the technology where the data requires. What's interesting about the change we're experiencing is in many respects for the first time the way of thinking about problems in this industry is going through a radical transformation. Let's credit AWS for catalyzing a lot of that change. >> Absolutely, setting that benchmark. I mean it really is a catalyst. >> But you look at this show, HP has adopted the thought process, it's adopted it. It's no longer in our position to say fine, you want to think this way, we'll help. >> Imagine this, as One Sphere comes up and as we really can manage multi-clouds and as we'll eventually be able to move workloads between the various clouds, manage the whole estate, view the whole estate and everything under it whether it's off-prem or on-prem is all consumption. I mean, how does that change central I.T.? Central I.T. radically changes. If everything's consumed, wherever it is and you've got a visibility to the whole estate and you can move stuff depending on what the right mix is, that's a fundamental change and we're not there yet as an industry. But that's a fundamental change to the role of Central I.T. >> But your CIOs are thinking along those lines. We can verify they are thinking along those lines. >> Again the strategy's coming into focus for me personally. I think us generally. We talked to Ana about services-led, outcome-led. And if it's big chewy outcome like kind of IBM talks well you've got partners to help you do that. Deloitte, we had PWC on. They're big, world-class organizations with deep expertise in retail and manufacturing and oil and gas. You're happy to work with those guys. If it is service-led or outcome-led you can make money whether you're going to Amazon, whether you're staying on prem, whether you're doing some kind of hybrid in between and you're happy to do that as an agnostic, independent player. Now yeah, of course you'd like to sell HP hardware and software, why not? >> I think that's really an important point. When it comes to the infrastructure itself we do believe we have the best infrastructure in the industry, but we play well with others and we always said HPE plays well with others. When it comes to the app layer we are app agnostic. A lot of our biggest competitors are not. When you go out and talk to CIOs today that's really, this is my app, this is my baby. This is the one that I want. They're not really looking for alternatives for that in many cases. When you're thinking agnostic that's really where we think partner, being agnostic, working with all the ad vendors, working with all the SIs, we think that's where the future-- >> And it's a key thing. You guys are younger, but you remember Unix is snake oil. I mean-- >> Designing is a Russian Trump. >> Unix is snake oil and then two years later it's like here our Unix. >> Flynn: It's the best thing ever. >> So you now are in a position to say great, wherever you wanna go we'll take you there. That's powerful because it can be genuine and it can be lucrative. >> What's unlocking here is the ability to actually execute a digital transformation program within the enterprise. One of the big things the public cloud providers brought to us and that HPE's now bringing in through the internal infrastructure is that agility and speed of innovation of the users. Their ability to actually get things done very quickly and reduce the cycle time of innovation. That frankly has always been the core benefit of the public cloud model, that pay-as-you-go, start with what you need, use the platform services as they grow. That model has been there since the beginning and it's over 11 years of AWS at this point. Now with enterprise technology adopting similar models of pay for it when you consume it, we'll provision it in advance, we'll get things going for you, we're giving that model. It's about unlocking the ability for the enterprise to do innovation at scale. >> I wanna end if I can on met Jonathan Buma last night, J.P., J.B., sorry. You're J.T. >> It's confusing. >> But one of the things I learned, a small organization, 200-250 people roughly when you got acquired, but you've got this thing called Doppler, right? Is that what it's called, Doppler? Explain that, explain the thought leadership angles that you guys have. >> Actually from the very beginning. >> The marketing team loves this, it's fantastic. >> So follow up with how. >> From day one there's a few things that we said were core principles, the way that we were going to grow and run the business. I'll talk about one other thing first which was that we were gonna be technology-enabled, technology-enabled services company. That we were gonna invest in IP both at the service level but as the technology level to accelerate the delivery of what we do. The second thing as a core principle is that we were going to lead through thought leadership. So we have been the most prolific producers of independent cloud content as a services firm bar none. Yeah, there's newspapers, magazines, analyst firms like yourself producing a lot of content. The stuff that we're producing is based on direct experience of implementing these solutions in the cloud with our clients so we can bring best practices. We're not talking about our services. We're talking about what is the best practice for any enterprise that wants to get to the cloud. How do you do security? How do you do organizational change? That has a very large following of Doppler both online where we have an email newsletter. But we also do printed publication of our quarterly Dopplers that goes out to a lot of our clients, the CIOs and key partners. That kind of thought leadership has really set us apart from all of the rest of the, even the born in cloud consultancies who never put that investment in. >> Flynn, you're a content guy. >> Absolutely. >> So you've got to really appreciate this. >> That's a dream, it's an absolute dream. One of the things, another proof point as a way to end, services first strategy is what we're doing in the market community at HP more money, energy, content, time is going into how we're talking, thought leadership and services than anything else in the company. We've got not just branding for Point Next and Green Lake, but bringing Doppler forward, bringing those great case studies forward. Putting that kind of content at the tip of the HPE sphere. It's not something you've seen from our company in the past. I think keep your eyes out over the next year. We'll have this conversation in six months and you'll see a lot more from us on that topic. >> Great stuff, congratulations on the process, the exit, the future. Good luck, exciting. >> Thanks guys. >> Really appreciate it. Keep it right there everybody, we'll be back right after this short break. Dave Vallente for Peter Burris from HPE Discover Madrid. This is theCube. (upbeat instrumental music)