>> Narrator: Live from The Wigwam in Phoenix, Arizona, it's the CUBE. Covering Data Platforms 2017. Brought to you by Qubole. (techno music) >> Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with the CUBE. We are in The Wigwam Resort, historic Wigwam Resort, just outside of Phoenix, Arizona at Data Platforms 2017. It's a new Big Data event. You might say, god there's already a lot of Big Data events, but Qubole's taken a different approach to Big Data. Cloud-first, cloud-native, you're integrated with all the big public clouds and they all come from Big Data backgrounds, practitioner backgrounds. So it's a really cool thing and we're really excited to have our next guest, Colin Ridell, he's a Big Data architect from Epic Games, was up on a panel earlier today. Colin, Welcome. >> Thank you, thank you for having me. >> Absolutely, so, enjoyed your panel, a lot of topics that you guys covered. One of the ones we hear over and over again is get early wins. How do you drive adoption, change people's behaviors, it's not really a technology story. It's a human factors and behaviors story. So I wonder if you can share some of your experience, some best practices, some stories. >> So I don't know if there's really a rule book on best practices for that. Every environment is different, every company is different. But one thing that seems to be constant is resistance to change in a lot of the places, so... >> Jeff: That is consistent. >> We had some challenges when I came in. We were running a system that was on it's last legs basically, and we had to replace it. There was really no choice. There was no fixing it. And so, I did actually encounter a fair bit of resistance with regards to that when I started at Epic. >> Now it's interesting, you said a fair amount of resistance. Another one of your lessons was start slow, find some early wins, but you said, that you were thrown into a big project right off the bat. >> Colin: So, we were, yeah. >> I'm curious, how did the big project go, but when you do start slow, how small does it need to be where you can start to get these wins to break down the resistance. >> I think what we, the way we approached it was we looked at what was the most crucial process, or the most crucial set of processes. And that's where we started. So that was what we tried to convert first and then make that data available to people via an alternative method, which was Hive. And once people started using it and learned how to interact with it properly the barriers start to fall. >> What were some of the difficult change management issues? Where did you come from in terms of the technology platform and what resistance did you hit? >> So it was really a user interface was the main factor of resistance. So we were running a Hadoop cluster. It was fixed sized, it wasn't on PRaM, but it was in a private cloud. It was basically, simply being overloaded. We had to do constant maintenance on it. We had to prop it up. And it was, the performance was degrading and degrading and degrading. The idea behind the replacement was really to give us something that was scalable, that would grow in the future, that wouldn't run into these performance blockers that we were having. But again, like I said, the hardest factor was the user interface differences. People were used to the tool set that they were working with, they liked the way it worked. >> What was the tool set? >> I would rather not actually say that on camera, >> Jeff: That's fine. >> Does it source itself in Redmond or something? >> No, no it doesn't, they're not from Redmond. I just don't want to cast aspersions. >> No, you don't need to cast aspersions. The conflict was really just around familiarity with the tool, it wasn't really about a wholesale change in behavior and becoming more data-centric. >> No, because the tool that we replaced was an effort to become more data-centric to begin with. There definitely was a corporate culture of we want to be more data-informed. So that was not one of the factors that we had to overcome. It was really tool-based. >> But the games market is so competitive, right? You guys have to be on your game all the time and you got to keep an eye on what everybody else is doing in their games, and make course corrections as I understand, something becomes hot, or new, so you guys have to be super nimble on your feet. How does taking this approach help you be more nimble in the way that you guys get new code out, new functionality? >> It's really, really very easy for us now to inject new events into the game, we basically can break those events out and report on them or analyze what's going on in the game for free with the architecture that we have now. >> Does that mean it's the equivalent of, in IT operations, we instrument everything from the applications, to the middleware, down to the hardware. Are you essentially doing the same to the game so you can follow the pathway of a gamer, or the hotspots of all the gamers, that sort of thing? >> I'm not sure I fully understand your question. >> When you're running analytics on a massively multi-player game, what questions are you seeking to answer? >> Really what we are seeking to answer at the moment is what brings people back? What behaviors can we foster in-- >> Engagement. >> in our players. Yeah, engagement, exactly. >> And that's how you measure engagement, it's just as simple as, do they come back or time on game? >> That's the most simple measure that we use for it, yeah. >> So Colin, we're short on time, want to give you the last word. When you come to a conference like this, there's a lot of peer interaction, there's some great questions coming out of the panel, around specifically, how do you measure success? It wasn't technical at all. It's, what are the things that you're using to measure whether stuff is working. I wonder if you can talk to the power of being in an ecosystem of peers here. Any surprises or great insights that you've got. I know we've only been here for a couple days. >> I would say that one of the biggest values, obviously the sessions and the breakouts are great, but I think one of the greatest values of here is simply the networking aspect of it. The being able to speak to people who are facing similar challenges, or doing similar things. Even although they're in a completely different domain, the problems are constant. Or common at least. How do you do machine learning to categorize player behaviors in our case and in other cases it's categorization of feedback that people get from websites, stuff like that. I really think the networking aspect is the most valuable thing to conferences like this. >> Alright, awesome. Well, Colin Ridell, Epic Games, thanks for taking a few minutes to stop by the CUBE. >> You're welcome, more than welcome, thank you very much. >> Absolutely, alright, George Gilbert, I'm Jeff Frick, you're watching the CUBE from Data Platforms 2017 at the historic Wigwam Resort. Thanks for watching. (upbeat techno music)

>> It's theCUBE, covering AWS Summit, New York, 2018, brought to you by Amazon Web Services and its ecosystem partners. >> Here in New York City, we're live at Amazon Web Services AWS Summit. This is their big show that they take on the road. It kind of originates at Amazon re:Invent in Las Vegas, their big kickoff show for the year, and then goes out to the different geographies and goes out and talks to the customers, and actually rolls out all the greatest of the cloud from Amazon's perspective. Of course theCUBE covering it, wall-to-wall cloud coverage, I'm John Furrier, co-host with Jeff Frick here today in New York City for special coverage. Jeff, Amazon obviously continue to dominate, but competition is heating up, Google Nexus next week, we'll be there live. Microsoft's got a big show, Azure's gaining market share, Amazon's still racing ahead. They got a book they're giving out here called Ahead in the Cloud, Best Practices for Enterprise IT. Amazon, clearly we talk about this all the time, they've cleared the runway from winning the startups, small, medium-sized growing business in the cloud native, to actually putting big dent in the market share for acquiring large enterprise customers. That has been their mission, that's Andy Jackson's mission, that's the team. Their head count is growing, Jeff Bezos is the richest man in history of the world. Pretty impressive story, we've been covering it since 2012, >> What's crazy is it's barely got started, John. I mean, just looking up some numbers before we came on, Gardener has a bunch of projected public cloud cans, anywhere from 180 billion to 260 billion. So even with Amazon at the head of the pace, I can't remember their last statement, I think it was 18 billion run rate, and everybody's saying Microsoft's brewing so fast. They barely still scratch the surface, and that I think is what's really scary. There'll be 50,000 people probably at re:Invent, there's 10,000 here in New York, they have these summits all over the country, all over the world, and so as impressive as the story is, what I think is even crazier is we've barely just begun. You were just at Public Sector, that's a whole 'nother giant tranche that's growing. >> Well you started to see the ecosystem develop nicely, and cloud native certainly is a tailwind for overall Amazon. Obviously the have the winning cloud formula, they've been ahead for many, many years. But again, competition's keeping up. But if you look behind us, you probably can't see in the cameras, it doesn't give justice, but this show, it's in New York City, it's a regional kind of like event. Its now looking the size of what re:Invent was just a few years ago. Public Sector Summit, which is the global public sector that Teresa Carlson runs, in really its third year roughly since it got big, started out a couple years ago. That's now morphing into the size of re:Invent, so pretty massive. >> And they said there's 10,000 people here. I don't know how many were at Public Sector. 138 sponsors, just some of the numbers that Werner shared in the keynote. 80 sessions, really an education session, it's a one-day event. We're excited to be here, but what's amazing is even though pretty much every enterprise has something going on in the public cloud, in terms of the vast majority of the workload, still most of 'em are not, and you know, really an interesting play. We were there when the AWS VMware announcement was made a couple of years back in San Francisco, as kind of this migration path, that's both been really good for VMware, and also really good for Amazon, 'cause now they have an answer to the, kind of the enterprise legacy question. >> I mean Jeff, did you look at the big picture? If you want to squint through the noise of cloud, what's really going on is, one, the analysts that are looking at market share, I think are looking at old data. It's hard to know who's really winning when you look about revenue, 'cause everyone can bundle in, Microsoft bundles Office revenue in. So it's actually, that's hard to understand, but if you look at the overall big picture, the landscape that's happening is that the enterprise and IT market has moved from being consumerization of IT to digital transformation. Those are the two buzzwords. But really what's happening is the operational model of cloud has created two real personas in the enterprise from a technical perspective. The developers who are building apps, and operators who are running the infrastructure, running the software, running the dashboards, running the operations. And so you start to see that interplay between operators and developers working together but yet decoupled, different personas. These are the ones that are changing how work gets done. So the future of how work and computing is going to be applied for end user benefits, user benefits, consumers, whether it's B2B or B2C companies, the cloud is the power engine of innovation, and new apps are coming on faster, and the roles are changing, and this is causing a shift of value. This is what the analysts at Wikibon, theCUBE, insights team has been looking at is that this is really the big thing. And machine learning, and AI, really take advantage of that, and you're going to start to see IoT, security, AI, start to be the critical apps to take advantage of this power of the cloud, and as enterprises transform their operations and their development frameworks, then I think you're going to see a whole new level of innovation. >> Right. They just had Epic Games on, the company that makes Fortnite which is a huge global phenomenon. If you don't know anything about it, ask somebody who's under the age of 15, they'll tell you all about it. >> 135 million gamers. >> The core value proposition of cloud is still the same, its flexibility, its global reach, its ability to scale up and scale down, and we've asked this question before and we're getting closer and closer with each passing day, is if we live in a world, John, with infinite compute, infinite bandwidth and infinite store, basically priced at zero, asymptotically approaching zero. What could you build? And if you could get that to the entire world instantly, what could you build, and we're really getting closer and closer to that and it's a very different way to think about the world than where you have to provision at 50% overhead, and you got to buy it and plug it in and turn it on. You know, that world is over. We're not going back, I don't think. >> If you look at the cloud players you've got Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and then we throw Alibaba, that's more of a China thing. Those are the main ones, you got Oracle for Oracle and IBM in there. You look at the companies, and look at the ones that have consumer experience, and look at the ones that don't. Microsoft has failed on the consumer business, although they have some consumer stuff, really not really been successful. Oracle and Microsoft, IBM have been business to business companies. Google and Amazon have been consumer companies that have bolted on a cloud just to run their operations. So to me what's interesting is, which one of those sides of the street, which one will emerge as the victorious cloud platform. I think I would bet on the consumer side. I like Google, I like Amazon better than Azure and Oracle and IBM, mainly because they have consumer experience, they understand the ultimate end user, and built clouds for that, and now are rolling that business. So the question is will that be the better model than having Azure or Oracle or IBM, who know the business model-- >> Right. >> But yet, will the devices matter? So this is going to be a big thing that we're going to watch on theCUBE is, which cloud play will win, or does it matter? Is it winner take all, winner take most? >> Yeah. >> This is the questions. >> Pretty interesting. You know you interviewed Mark Hurd many moons ago, for a long time, and he talked about cloudifying all the Oracle applications. The problem is, Clayton Christensen's book, Innovator's Dilemma, is still the best business book ever written. It's really hard to knock off your own core business, especially when it's profitable. That I think is Oracle's biggest problem. The other thing I think they have is, they're a sales culture, it's built around a sales culture. People are going out and it's a hard sell. That's not what the cloud is all about. It's really the commercialization of shadow IT. I need it, I turn it on, I activate it, I don't need it anymore, I turn it down, I turn it off, I turn it over. So I think Oracle's in a tough position to eat their own business. IBM is you know, continues to try different things and you know, with The Weather Company and Ustream, and they're doing a lot of things. But the core three have such momentum, Google we'll see, we're excited to be there next week and kind of get an update on what their story is, but still in the enterprise they barely scratch the surface of the available workload. >> I think that's the main story, the surface is just being scratched. If this is like the first or second inning of this game, or the second game of a double header, as Matt Dew has said on theCUBE many times, he'll come on today, it's interesting because if you think about the clouds that are best position to take advantage of new technologies, like AI, like blockchain, like token economics, those are the ones that have to be adaptable and flexible enough to take on new things, because if we're just scratching the surface, the new things that are going to come out have to scale, have to be data driven, have to be mobile, have to use AI, have to have the compute power. If you're kind of stuck in the old model and you have a ME2 cloud, it's going to be always hard to ratchet up and kind of always rearchitect and change, you need an architecture that will essentially be flexible and be adaptive. To me I think that's what we're going to look for here in the interviews today, and of course, security, Jeff, continues to be the number one conversation, at AWS re:Invent, and AWS Public Sector Summit. Security is getting better and better in the cloud and some say it's better than on-premises security. >> I think the resources that can be applied at a company like AWS, the security teams, the technology, the hardening, the private fiber connections, I mean so many things that they can apply because they have such scale, that you just can't do as a private enterprise. The other thing, right, is that people usually take better care of their customers than their own, and we know a lot of security breaches and data breaches are just from employees or somebody lost a laptop. They're these types of things where if you're an actual vendor for someone else and you're responsible for their security, you're going to be a little bit different, a little bit more diligent than kind of protecting once you're already inside the wall. >> And it changes the infrastructure, I mean just in the news this week, obviously Trump was in Helsinki, all I can see in my mind is, the servers, where are the servers, where are the servers? With the cloud you don't need servers. The whole paradigm is shifting. If you use cloud you can get encryption, you can get security. These are things that are going to start that I think be the table stakes for security, the idea of having a server, provisioning a server, managing servers per se, unless you're a cloud service provider, at some level, you're tier two or tier one, you don't need servers. This is the serverless trend. Again, Lambda functions, AI, application developers, all driving change. Again, two personas, operators and developers. This is what the swim lanes are starting to look at, we're starting to get the visibility. And of course we'll get all the data here in theCUBE, and share that with you this week. Today in New York City, live theCUBE, I'm John Furrier with Jeff Frick. Stay with us for coverage here for AWS Summit 2018. We'll be right back.