>> Announcer: From Chicago, it's theCUBE, covering Veritas Vision Solution Day 2018. Brought to you by Veritas. >> Hello, everyone, welcome back to the Windy City. We're here with Veritas at the Veritas Solution Day. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. Kevin Bogusz is here, he's a senior information engineer ECECT, a telecommunications company. Kevin, thanks for coming on theCUBE. >> Thank you. >> So, this event, a very intimate customer event. I don't know if you were at Veritas Vision last year, big, huge customer event, many thousands of people. It's an intimate customer event, 50, 75 people. What're your thoughts on, you know, you took time out of your day to come here, why? What's here for you? >> Get a better understanding what Veritas can do for my company in terms of backups and stuff. We do use Backup Exec in my organization. I've been there for four years, and understanding what you guys do and everything, 'cause we're back when you used to be Symantec. Highs and lows, with tech support, whatever, but other than that, it's been great. >> Okay, so talk about ECECT, what's the company do? >> We are the parent company of NEC out in Japan. We do, in the beginning we developed telecommunications for companies ESP via CISCO, then it came us. for companies ESP via CISCO, then it came us. Before I start they gave me some background terms on how they did stuff. They were absorbed by NECJ and after that we went through a reorganization about a year and half ago. So we have grown from 50 people in a small office in Lincolnshire to having almost four to five offices, from all way out to Washington state all the way out to Cheshire Connecticut >> And you're a service provider or-- >> Not a service provider. We're pretty much a development firm. We're all development, they used to do stuff in Lincolnshire, they used to sell stuff before they got absorbed by NECJ. They used to do the sales, they do the development, they did everything in Lincolnshire, before the big dot com bust, which I was told when I got brought in. After the big dot com bust, it was who was going to take us over, and that became NECJ. >> When you say development, you mean product development? >> Yes. >> Okay great, so in your role as Senior Information Engineer you look after lot of things, but one of them is course is data protection services, right? >> So immediately when I hear four or five remote offices you've got distributed data all over the place, you got to figure out how to protect that. So, how do you protect that? I'm really interested in what's changed. You and I were talking before about, remember the virtualization days. You got to rethink everything, in terms of data protection 'cause we didn't have as many servers physically. Things are changing again, so how have things changed? What's changing and what are the big initiatives you're working on? Paint a picture for us if you would. >> Well, in the beginning, we weren't really heavily into virtualization, now we really have. It's actually has saved on a couple of positions, we actually had to move our ticket system over to virtualization because the servers bought the guy. So we took care of it, so we moved it over to virtualization now we are backing up, with Backup Exec, being able to do either files, folders or do the whole virtual. Also we actually did high availability to provide us with more protection everything else, plus in addition to what we are asking to what Veritas can do for us. >> Okay so virtualization is relatively new for you guys >> Yes. >> And what about Cloud? You hear about things like Cloud and Multicloud, you doing much in Cloud? >> Not that much in Cloud, pretty much it's, if it has to been in the Cloud. We have slowly developed going towards the Cloud and what I've have heard and what I've have seen from my manager. But right now, we're kind of backing off just a little bit, just to see is it approved by the big company or can we go on our own whim, and do that sort of thing. Because I have just developed something a clone of Dropbox. At the organization because Dropbox is not considered legit at my company, so I had to come up with a new idea. >> Okay, so let's talk about some of the other trends, that might be driving your business. DR, presumably is one, everyone talks about well, backup is insurance I hate buying insurance, I want to get more out of it. Even though disaster recovery is insurance too it's important insurance, and so, are you trying to extend your backup and recovery, into disaster recovery? >> Yes, we're-- >> How are you doing that? >> As of right now, we are using Backup Exec. There's a little hiccup here and that I am till trying to figure out how to fix. But we do have the DR between two sites in the beginning that my manager wanted to roll out. And we do, do files, folders, you name it even including virtualizations. We do have a secondary server that does the tapes also which we are trying to transition into the whole DR, So, we can do files and then after that we can do the whole tape. Dump at the tape and then send it off to iron them out. >> Your hiccup is a technical issue? >> It's a technical issue, but other than that, we're trying to figure out, what's causing it. Because one side we'll go from perfectly being okay, but when we try to send trillions of data over to the other thing, it mostly turns to the network almost. But right now we are trying to figure out, is it network based or is it something else. >> What was the challenge, right? 'Cause you've done all this distributing data. And you got to make sure it's all consistent. You know, you think about pointing time copies. When things are distributed all over the place, which is the point and time? So how are you sort of dealing with some of those challenges? >> Ways to dealing with that is pretty much figuring out one prime example trying to deal with that was we had our technical publications people and I got a message on our corporate messenger saying, "I kind of screwed up, can you help me?" And I got go, "What did you do?" I kind of over wrote this, and I'll do is, go through the thing, go through the management thing with Backup Exec going what day was it? I went did this day. How far back do you need to go? Oh I need to go about a month. Okay, here you go. >> And so when you do a recovery like that, how do you validate that the data is consistent with what the business user wants it? It's the business user's responsibility presumably. They have to look at it and say, okay, Kevin thank you. You got me what I needed or can you back a little further? >> That has happened too. What I do with my people at work is that especially with the technical publication people is I ask them okay, what happened on this day? Oh, I overwrote this. Okay, from that point in the past, what haven't you written over? and how far can I go back? Oh you can go back this far. Like, okay, here's your date range, I gave you these two files. Oh, yes please recover it, and I go okay, I got to pull on these files and folders, here you go. >> So what are you looking for in a backup software? I did a little sort of preview upfront and the market's exploding. >> Yes >> You seeing some companies raise hundreds of millions of dollars, obviously Veritas is a leader along with three or four of others. They have most of the market. Everybody wants a piece of that action. So, I'm sure you're getting knocks on the door everyday. You are getting inundated emails, switch to us. So what do you look for in a data protection vendor? Why Veritas? Are you are sticking with those guys? Are you are thinking about switching? Maybe give us some color there. >> Right now, with Veritas we have had... before I started they use to be with Symantec and then Symantec got brought up by Veritas, which what happened. So they've been with this company, in the past why I have been told is, they've been with Symantec since Backup Exec 14. Like way before the Backup Exec 2015, the latest one just came out. We been looking at Veeam. At that time Veeam was looking as, all that we do is virtuals. Okay, that kind of helps us but our main thing is if something bad happens, can you do files for us? No. And I've been inundated with them through TDWC say, Oh, so and so can help you, I'm like, "Do you guys do virtuals?" Yeah! So, what has changed? I've kind of stacked with Backup Exec just because I used over the four years I've been here. I used that before in a previous company. So I have some background but other than that, I've seen a thing where, I've been forced with some of the applications at work I've have to gone to Open-source. I have to gone to Winbond 2, I've been going to Red Hat Linuz Enterprise. And the main concern that I have is, yes we can do Oracle and everything else for SQL. What about my SQL Server? Oh we don't do that. So I have to do a virtual machine back up on the virtual. >> So we were talking to Veritas technical people they claim, test this with the customer. They claim they can do a lot of different used cases you mentioned MySQL, they talk about being able to do NoSQL and other unstructured data, where as some others might have to partner with a specialist. Do find that that Veritas actually has that kind of harden stack across lot of used cases? Or would you like them to do more? >> I would like them do more, because I gave them one scenario, where we've actually used one of our test clients. We do test clients type of stuff called TestRail by Gurock. And I've asked them multiple times I have big SQL database and we're bound to. How can I back that up? And I have asked multiple times. Oh, all we do is Oracle. And I go, I understand my SQL is opensource but I know there's post cres. Post cres is like my SQL, it's like a fork of it but at least, give me that ability. >> You mentioned you're a Red Hat customer as well as others but what do you think of IBM acquisition? Announced acquisition of Red Hat does it make you nervous? >> It doesn't make me nervous, it's you're going back to the days of you know the big IBM, we used to be big and they started branching out, selling off stuff to Lenova, all that type of stuff. I just see them going, oh crap! We kind of sold off bits and pieces here. We're going to come back. >> Dave: Shrink to grow. But as a customer of Red Hat, you're not concerned? You feel that Red Hat's going to stay pure? >> If they keep the status quo of that they have done and everything, don't mess with anything, anything like that be able to have like consumers play with what there's out there like Fedora, go right ahead. Do whatever you want to do. If you got the money, the burn, go ahead and do more development and stuff. I would love to see IBM do more with Red Hat. >> So it's awesome to have a practitioner on, who knows where all their skeletons are buried but you still sticking with Veritas is from what I am understanding. I'll give you the last word, final thoughts. >> Veritas to me in a nutshell, they keep on innovating what they have been doing and making the product better, with what they've been doing through the previous versions, that I have dealt with. I think they're going to, in my opinion, they will probably out beat Veeam in terms of back up stuff. 'Cause I know they are the two big players. As Veritas and Veeam are doing the back ups and right now Veeam is probably playing catch up because ever since they told us, "Oh, we are do files." Instead of doing just virtuals. >> Well, Kevin thanks very much for coming on theCUBE, It's great to have you. >> You too. >> Alright, keep it right there everybody, we will be back with our next guest right after this short break. You're watching theCube from Chicago. Right back. (techno music)