(Music) >> Announcer: Live from the Bill Graham Auditorium, in San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering Pure Storage accelerate, 2018. Brought to you by Pure Storage. >> Welcome back to theCUBE, we are live at Pure Storage Accelerate, 2018 at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco. I'm Lisa Martin sporting Prince today, with Dave Vellante sporting The Who. And I'm sandwiched, most importantly, between two Celtics fans. And the Warriors are across the bay. We'll save that for after the conversation. So we want to welcome to theCUBE for the first time Ken Ringdahl the VP of Global alliance Architecture. From Veeam, welcome. >> Great. Thank you, Lisa. >> Dave: Well the truth be told, we're afraid of the warriors, okay. We really don't want to play the Warriors. >> Oh really, alright. >> And we're not afraid of many people in Boston, but I don't know, they look pretty good. >> Well, I appreciate the honesty, that's pretty cool. >> Well... Though they lost last night. Right? We're going to start the sports talk now. >> Yep. >> Iguodala was out, they showed some foulability. So, anyway. >> We digress to- >> We'll be back to it later on in this segment stay tuned. >> Alright, so you're just fresh off Veeam On, last week. We're impressed that you still have a voice, you've recovered from that. Tell us a little bit about some of the things that are new with Veeam and Pure. So just a month ago, in April, new intergradation between VM availability platform, and Pure Storage flash a way to deliver business continuity, agility, intelligence for the Cloud era. Expand a little bit upon that. >> Yeah, sure, I mean really this integration with Pure Storage, in the VM backup and replication product, end of last year we introduced this new functionality called Universal Storage API. And what this really is, is a way for us to enable our partners to take control of their destiny a little bit more. It's a program we invite our partners into, you know Pure is one of the first that we integrated with, and invited into the program very early. We announced this last year, and we've now finished the integration, as you've mentioned, we announced it last month. It's now been out there, and I think the number I heard earlier today is that we've already had a couple hundred downloads and deployments. So that's just great adoption, and just shows the pent up demand for that. But what we've integrated is the ability for our partners, our storage partners in particular to integrate with our storage snapshot technology to really off load the snapshot from the VMware side, and really put more of it on the storage side, and take it really off the production environment. And so it's a better together story where you know we take the feature that we've introduced into the backup and replication, and Pure built this plug-in, and they integrate with their own APIs and we jointly test and develop, and release that plug-in. And they can install it with VM backup and replication, and it really takes the mention, it takes that load off the production environment. So that snapshot without this integration, it's a VMware snapshot, that snapshot stays open as long as the backup is. Which can be minutes, and you know tens of minutes potentially for a large system. But now we shrink that down literally to just seconds. So we take a VMware snapshot, we take the Pure snapshot, we close the VMware snapshot. And typically it's like 10-12 seconds long where as opposed to the minutes, and even tens of minutes from before. So, really it's really offloading a lot of that back up impact, and we're able to do it in a very secure quiesce fashion from the production environment. >> Lets roll back and understand that a little bit better. >> Ken, if you could explain it to us and our audience. In the 2008, seven, eight, nine timeframe. Virtualization Gem of VMware in particular started to take hold. And you ended up replacing a bunch of physical servers with virtual servers, which was awesome, because all those physical servers were underutilized, except for one major workload, which was backup. So when you did want to do the backup, you didn't have enough resources. Veeam's ascendancy coincided with that trend, so there was a simplicity component, but it seems like what you're describing now is another instantiation of offloading that bottle neck. So what was the journey to Veeam's efficiency in a virtualization environment? >> Ken: Yeah if you look at that journey, and Veeam really grew up in the virtualization age, right. So backup prior to VM, or virtualization was all agent based, it was physical. So everything was over the wire, and Veeam went and said, hey look you know we see VMware really sort of growing, and we see that trend towards virtualization, right, and at this point, what's the world 95 percent virtualized, at this point the only workloads that aren't virtualized are really legacy work loads. And so we made a significant leap forward in a data protection stance, by integrating with the hyper visors. So instead of off loading that into the individual guests, right. The Windows guest, the Linux guest. We said, okay we're going to go the hyper visor. Right? And we're going to do this in an agent less fashion, so that you don't have to go an visit every little, every system that you're looking to backup. That was sort of the first step, right. Now what we're saying is we can do even better. And we can off load the hyper visor, and off load that to the storage system. So we can have a very small impact on the hyper visor, really minimize that. And now really put that workload on the storage system which has a lot of extra cycles and availability, and we can go straight to the backup environment. And not through the VM, or through the hypervisor to get there. >> Dave: So VMware admins, they don't like snapshots because it's overhead intensive, it clogs up their system if you will. This capability makes that transparent, or irrelevant to them? >> It does, it minimizes them to such a small degree that it's a blip. You know it's a little blip on the radar, as opposed to when you snapshot a VM you're essentially quiescing that VM, so everything sort of slows down for a very short period of time. And what happens is that it spawns another virtual disc. So while that snapshot is open this other virtual disc is being written to. And then when you close that snapshot, and you remove that snapshot, that disc gets merged back in, right. This is generally how VMware snapshots work. And what we're saying is we're going to minimize as much as we possibly can. The data that goes in there, so if you think of a running virtual machine, if you're merging back in a Gigabyte disc versus a disc that has 10 Megabytes, you know that's going to be really, really quick, as opposed to, you know if you keep that snapshot open for a long period of time that merge operation, and it just slows things down, and we're trying to minimize that impact on the system. >> Lisa: So business benefits; I get the performance improvements that this integration with Pure facilitates, if we think of this in the context of digital business transformation, where companies that are doing well, have the ability to really glean actionable insights from their data to be able to drive, you know, new products and get products to market faster. Is this actually going to facilitate a company being able to get new products to market faster? >> Absolutely, so there a feature inside of VM backup and replication we call data labs. And what data labs is, is the ability to take a production snapshot, in this case, we're talking about a pure snapshot, and be able to stand that up in a sandbox environment. And you can run DEV tests, you can apply your Windows' patches in an environment that literally matches production. And it's a key differentiator. It's a key differentiator for Veeam, and it's enabled by the Pure Snapshot integration that you have this environment, and even if you have an infected system, you go put it over in data labs, it's sandboxed, so you can put in a private network so it doesn't have any connectivity. Say if you have a worm, or some other ransom ware, you can run analytics, you can run diagnosis on any of that, and not worry about it infecting any other environment, nor does it put work load on your production environment. So you get patched Tuesday, right, and we all know that Windows' patches don't always go as they seem, right? So data labs, let's take that Pure snapshot, let's stand up a virtual environment, which exactly matches production, let's test that patch, right. And we have confidence there, so when we go to production, we have confidence because we've already done it. We've already run that in production. So there's a lot of value in that capability. >> So we were at Veeam On last week fresh off the Kool-Aid injection. It's all orange here, it was all green at Veeam in Chicago. The messaging there was all about multi-cloud and hyper availability in this multi-cloud world. We're hearing a lot about cloud like function here, but of on prem activity. Of course multi-cloud includes on prem, so I wonder if you could dove tail your messaging last week, what you're seeing in the field, and what you're seeing with the partnership with companies like Pure. >> Yeah no question. I mean the Veeam platform, and really you saw it last week at Veeam On we talked kind of about sort of private cloud, and public cloud and our ability to orchestrate, and really stretch across all those environments, and we know that customer all the way from SMB all the way up to enterprise, right. They have remote offices, branch offices some of them use the cloud, some of them use multiple data centers, and really they need their data protection to be able to stretch across those environments. They don't want point solutions in each of those locations. They want a platform that they can trust, and have visibility, right. That's one of the five stages that we talked about about hyper availability, like last week. Is visibility, they want visibility across those clouds. Phase two is aggregation, they want to be able to aggregate all these different places. And that's what we provide our customers with the platform is backup, visibility, aggregation, orchestration, automation. And we provide them on different stages of that journey for our customers. We have different products, services and integration actions with our partners, that really help our customers along that journey. >> We know from our research, the crew at Wiki Bond does some great work on this. We know that data protection, and orchestration are moving up on the list of CXO priorities. At the same time, for a lot of IT practitioners who are under real budget constraints it's like trying to sell more insurance to a 24 year old. So those are kind of two countervailing trends, what are you seeing in the market place? >> What we're seeing is customers, you know down time is really is gone. I mean, I think last week we heard in one of our keynotes, you know you roll back a couple of years, you were talking about availability in terms of five-nines, right? Now it's zero. I mean people don't talk about down time because down time can't exist, and customers need that sense of security and availability. You know, it will happen, lets face it even Amazon, the best data centers in the world, go down, right, there's been some notable S3 outages, but it's about how fast can you recover. And you're talking about low RPOs, and one of the things that this week at Pure Accelerate we're hearing a lot about rapid recovery, flash blade, and the ability and you take rapid recovery and flash blade, and you combine that with the Veeam platform and our instant recovery, and you can get to near zero time recovery, in your environments. To really provide that security, and lets face it, time is money for a lot of our customers, right? So they longer they're down, the more time their losing money, they need availability, and the RPOs are near zero these days. = [Dave] The other thing, if I may just follow up, just one follow up. The other thing our research shows is the average Fortune 1000 company, over a three or four year period is leaving, literally, a billion plus dollars on the table because of poorly architected backup, or inadequate backup. So that's a huge opportunity for you and others, obviously. There's a lot of opportunity right now for vendor turn. That's the other thing our research shows, is that people aren't wed to their backup and recovery vendor. So, does that resonate with customers, are they because of digital, for example, are you seeing that tipping point, that critical mass occur, and then if you could tie that in to sort of your partnership with Pure, I'd be interested in that. >> Sure, yeah, no doubt about it. We're seeing customers, you know, they want that flexibility and that portability. One of the things we do with out platform, it's one of our unique selling features is is that it is agnostic, right. And I'll tie it back to Pure in a moment, but you know when we back up, we back up in a storage agnostic fashion. So any Veeam backup that lands on a disc on the tape anywhere, can be reconstituted, can be re imported, so even if you have a full disaster scenario, we can go stand that back up some where else, and fully consume that backup and restore it, and we have direct restore capabilities. We can port those backups and direct restore them. For example, a direct restore Azure, for example. So that flexibility, and portability is extremely valuable. Now, bring that back to Pure, some of the things we're doing around rapid recovery around the snapshot integration, we talked about is we're really enabling customers to have high performing primary storage environments. High performing secondary storage environments. And really bring that together in a way that works. We talked about multi cloud, right, you know, remote data centers and work across, and aggregate and give visibility. That's really where the Veeam Pure story together, becomes really strong because you've got an incredibly high performing primary and secondary with a highly flexible, portable secondary data protection environment. And you get the capability to get to the cloud. You know DL, a lot of customers looking to the cloud for DR, because they don't have to stand up infrastructure there. When they need it, they can spin it up, and then they can bring it back. And there's a lot of value there. >> I hear a lot of harmony, but I actually read recently, online, that a different analyst firm called the Pure Veeam relationship a match of opposites. Now they say opposites attract, and you've done a great job of talking about the integration, do you agree that it's a good blending of opposites, and if so what's that kind of symbiotic benefit that those bring to each other? >> Yeah, I don't know that I saw that report, but what I would say you know, there's a lot of synergy, we're growing at a very rapid rate, I think. When I looked at Pure, and I look at Veeam we grew 36 percent last year, I think Pure is growing at like 50 percent year over year. We have NPS scores, our NPS score is 73, we're really proud of that. The Pure NPS score, I think I saw- >> 83. >> Ken: 83. >> Dave: I didn't think it could be higher than 73. >> It's incredible. It is incredible, and I think there is a lot of synergy, the size of the organizations, I think the age of our organizations, the aggressiveness that we have, we have joint competitors in the market, so I think there's a lot of synergies between where we are as an organization, as Veeam, and where Pure is. I wish I read the article in terms of the opposites, because I'd love to understand. >> Personally, as a long time analyst, I would say the similarities are greater than the differences. >> Sure sounds like it. >> You're both about a billion dollars, you're both growing at lets call it 35-40 percent a year. You're both pursuing platforms, your both really aggressive, you're insanely passionate about your customers and winning. And you like colors, you like green, they like orange. Alright, we got to talk a little sports here. >> Lisa: Speaking of green. >> I'm going to start somewhere else though because I asked this question of a number of folks at Veeam On. If you were, Ken, if you were Robert Kraft would you have traded Tom Brady? >> {Ken] No. >> Elaborate. >> I think when you look at a, the guy was the MVP of the league last year, so that by itself stands on it's own, but you have to look and the Patriots have always been about, sort of you know, trading or moving on a year or two early, versus a year or two late. So you could make that case with Tom Brady, but I think there's always exceptions, and when you look at, I mean he is basically like an adopted son of Robert Kraft and the organization. He's brought five Superbowls, he's basically, he built Patriot place, you know. Robert Kraft built Patriot place on the backs of Tom Brady and Bill Belichik to that extent. But how do you move on from someone who's brought you so much success, that has been under market. You know, get paid under market so that they can go and do other things, and have flexibility with the gap. I just don't know how you could move on from that. >> So, that's consistent now, I think it's four for four of people we've asked, Boston fans. So appreciate that feed back. Let's talk a little hoops, you know Celtics we were feeling pretty good, up two zip, now it's tied two-two. Houston, Golden state, tied two-two. Those two teams have proven they could win on the road, Celtics haven't proven that yet. What are your thoughts on that series? >> Yeah so certainly Cleveland came storming back, I think the stories of the down fall of the Cavs were clearly over exaggerated. They came back in a big way. I think they Celtics started to figure out the Cavs in quarters two, three, and four. They got themselves in a big hole in the first quarter in the last game. I feel good, the Celtics are nine and O at home this year in the post season. You know, it's basically the best of three, and they have two of them at home, so. The Cavs will have to break serve if they want to win the series. >> Dave: If they're lucky enough to get through to the finals, which would be unbelievable, do they have any shot against the Warriors? >> So, I think to say they have no shot is probably going a little too far, but- >> Dave: Got to play the game. >> You know you got to play the games, and the Celtics have, traditionally, matched up well against the Warriors. I mean least year, the Celtic actually came into Oracle, and broke, I don't know, what was it, like a 50 game home winning streak or something. So, you know, and that was a team that didn't have Kyrie, or Gordon Haywood, and I know they're still out so the future looks bright for the Celtics. But in the context of this years finals, certainly, if I were a betting man, I'd be putting my money behind the Warriors, but I don't doubt that Brad Stevens could come up with a scheme that could steal a couple of games, and make people in the Bay area feel a little uneasy. >> Would love to see a non Lebron Final, you know. >> Yeah I think as the words would like the Celts >> Sorry Brandon, sorry buddy. >> A little diversity, you know three years in a row we've had the same things, so I'll extend my support to the Celtics in honor of both of you guys. >> Alright, and we can talk, if they get to the finals then we can take it from there. >> I can't imagine what the day after the Superbowl was like for both of you. We won't go there. >> I still haven't recovered, so. >> (laughs) Awesome, well Ken, thanks so much for stopping by. Congrats on being a CUBE alumni, now. We look forward to seeing you Veeam World in just a few months time. >> Yes, great. Thank you. We'll be there for sure. >> For Dave Vellante, I am Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE live from Pure Accelerate 2018. Stick around, Dave and I will be back with a wrap in just a moment. (music)

>> Announcer: Live from Chicago, Illinois, it's theCUBE! Covering VeeamON 2018. Brought to you by Veeam. >> Welcome back to the Windy City, everybody, you're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. This is day two coverage of VeeamON 2018. I'm Dave Vellante with Stu Miniman, my cohost. Peter McKay is here, he's the co-CEO of Veeam. Peter, great to see you again, >> Great to be here David, Stu. >> Thanks so much for making some time. Lovin' the show, we're watching the evolution of Veeam. You know, go from scrappy fighter, now movin' up the stack. We know from our research that data protection and orchestration are moving up the list on CXO priorities. You were brought in to really uplevel, top-level the company's messaging, the branding, the talent. How you feelin'? >> I'm feeling good, I think this was a major step, right. You know, a lot of work going in to just really understanding the market, for me at least. Coming out of VMware and coming into an availability market. So I became a student of the space, talking to a lot of customers, talking to a lot of partners, really pulling together what that business message is, versus a feature-function message. What we were doing to actually help drive the business, you know, especially now when more and more data is being accumulated, more and more companies are digitizing their organization. And for us, we're kind of the ones that keep that up and running. I think it was important for us to make sure that message gets out, to when we deliver it in the market, that people think of us as that strategic solution for their mission critical, always-on, which we call hyper-availability, for the enterprise. Any app, any data, any time. >> Very partner focused event, here. You can't walk anywhere without bumping into a partner. When, you were at VMware for a number of years, and VMware was famous for every dollar spent on a VMware, some number, $15, $17 was spent on the ecosystem. So that was sort of, probably ingrained, in the ethos of your career, right? >> Yeah, and you know, when coming here you recognize there was a lot of great discussions, a lot of good technology integration with, you know, companies like Cisco and HP and NetApp and others. But there wasn't this follow-on go-to market. Like, how can we make it easier for our customers? How can we make it easier for our customers to buy a combined solution versus a technology? And so to do that well, we recognized early that we had to uplevel the relationships we're having with Pure and Nutanix and all these other companies that were really getting in front of these enterprise and mid-market companies, but with multiple tracks. And we felt that if we can do more together with them, that we would have, the customers would have a better experience. And so, we started going down that path, we started to do things more together. Merging that value proposition together with these companies. And then merging our sales efforts together. It brought about a tremendous impact on just the customer success, their experience in leveraging our technology. And this is just kind of the start of it, because I think there's a lot more to come, that on the partner side that I think is going to be, you know that gets us to that two billion, three billion mark. >> Yeah, so I wanted to touch on that so, that combined with the expansion of your product portfolio, the move into cloud and multi-cloud and orchestration expands your TAM significantly. Talk about some of the numbers. Over $800 million in bookings-- >> 827, yes. >> 30 plus percent growth, >> 36. >> 36% growth. >> But who's countin'? (laughs) >> Oh that's good, and so, now, and of course currency as a Swiss based company, let me get this right, currency now is somewhat of a headwind for you guys, right? So you're blowing through that, or no, do you guys hedge or how do you handle it? >> Nope, we're US dollars, everything is US dollars. Everything is US dollars. >> So that's a tailwind then for you guys? >> That is, it is, you know, lookit. We've always operated as a long-term software company. A long term sustainable, we don't have the quarterly, we're not public, right? So we don't have to hit targets in earnings along, and you know currency's going to go up and down at various times. Some days, some times, you're going to have the benefits, the tailwinds and headwinds. So, for us, we just continue to make the right decisions based off of where we see what's the best interests of our customers, what's the best interests of our partners, and then let the dust settle. >> But you do pay attention to the months and the quarters internally? >> We do, yes, well in large part because our ecosystem does, right? When you're selling with Cisco you need to know when their quarter ends, and when their year ends, right? Or Nutanix, because they're all motivated by those quarters. And I've always been in, for the most part, public companies that had that quarter. So we still operate that way, but the way we make decisions is based on what's the long-term best interests of our customers. >> And there's not that external 90-day shot clock, Stu, as we talked about. >> No, yeah, no. Yeah, so Peter one of the things that's really interesting to look at at your company, you're at 133 customers a day. That's 10,000 a quarter. Very different when you talk about the enterprise, it's not just how many customers, but there's, at least traditionally been more, it's more belly-to-belly. You have to be deeper engaged. You've got this partner? Bring us inside a little bit, some of the challengers there are about going from the scale and simplicity that built Veeam, to deeper in to these enterprises. >> That's a really good question, and you know there is two elements of that. The first one is first, do no harm. Your SNB business is cranking double digits, your mid-market is cranking double digits, and invest heavily in this massive opportunity we have in front of us in the enterprise. But make no mistake, that's a major effort that we've embarked on two and a half, three years ago. Our technology, as you mentioned it, is broadening. Our messaging is upleveled. Our focused marketing efforts are very much targeted to very specific customers. Our support is different, I mean everything we do. The ecosystem is different to go into that enterprise space. So it's a massive investment that we're doing around the globe, to get much closer to those companies. But, we're not losing what made us great. Which, get in the door, just get in the door to any of these companies. You're going in, you're going to Coca-Cola, just get in the door and then do a really good job and expand from there, which is really what we've been doing since the beginning. >> On that, you know I heard like, AIX support is coming. All the enterprises like, well but I have this other application that you're not certified. You go down the SAP HANA route, and Oracle and everything else, you can just get bogged down in so much red tape. >> And that's changing, it used to be that we're, not used to be we are the number one VMware backup. We're the number one virtual backup. And we're the best in the world at virtual. But, and Ratmir would always say, we're just going to do virtual, virtual. Well in the enterprise, that can't be, right? You need to be, obviously virtual, cloud, 'cause every conversation you're having is multi-cloud, right? And you need physical, because there's 10, 15, 20% of all these enterprises that are going to stay physical. And so for us, we needed to do that. Now we've done, now we can do virtual, physical, and cloud for our enterprise customer, for everybody, but we see it more in the enterprise. >> When Veeam first started, it saw an opportunity to help with the virtualization problem. Backup had to change with virtualization. Veeam, right place, right time, right product and right attitude, boom. What's more straightforward than what's going on now, what's happening now, and I wonder if you could comment, from our perspective is, there's a dichotomy between what the businesses expect in terms of the levels of data protection, the levels of orchestration and automation that exist, and what IT can deliver. And it seems like Veeam is trying to fill that gap. Which says a couple things, it's a jump ball, to use the basketball analogy, which we'll be talking about later. And the second thing is that there's a lot of potential for customer churn. Which is good news for you guys. >> First off, there's a lot of churn going on. Anybody that bought a solution two, three, four, five, 10 years down the road, the game has changed, right? We kind of track three things. One, it's all about the data, right, and the data today is becoming much more critical for businesses, right? Our business, every business, it's all making better decisions with more critical data and at the right time. The second is it's massive data growth. It's exponential, it's, what did they say? 2x every, every, 10x every five years? And so we're seeing this massive increase in growth of data that if you use the same methods you used in the past, it's really expensive and really difficult to be able to manage that and keep it running and available. And the last is sprawl, it's everywhere. I mean data is on devices, from thermostats to automobiles to everywhere. And so, used to have it sitting in an easy data center, and now the data is everywhere. And so, you have the criticality of data, you have the massive growth in data, and you have a massive sprawl of data. And what we believe is we want to be that hyper-availability solution. That we're protecting that data, we're helping you manage that data, we're helping you orchestrate that data, and be able to protect it for companies who need it in real time because it's becoming so critical today. >> The other change that we would observe, is you're really kind of going from what was a product company, to a platform company. You showed that platform slide. Talk about the importance of platform in the enterprise to sustain growth. >> Yeah, I think there's, in the enterprise obviously it's more complicated. And you know, because of the sprawl, because of all the things I mentioned, it needs a bigger, broader solution that can be able to handle backup, backup and recovery, replication, failover. You need to be able to have a single pane of glass, whether it's in the cloud or on premise. You need to be able to manage and orchestrate workloads, from on premise, I want to put it in Azure, or I want to put it in Service Provider, and so the ability to be able to automate and orchestrate that movement requires a platform to be able to do that. With us, but also the ecosystem, right? I mean do it with the hardware providers, people who have a component for security, to make sure that if we detect ransomware, to kick off a backup, a clean backup. And so, this orchestration and automation is going to be a critical part of that platform. >> Peter, I wonder if we could step away from the technology for a second, talk a little bit about culture. We've been noting you come on board, Veeam's always had a good team, but been bringing on some key pieces, especially help focused on the enterprise. It's a challenge for a lot of companies to get into that space. Why is Veeam positioned well, talk to us about your methodology on how you bring these type of people in. >> We have, we've grown a thousand people over the last 12 months and that's on top of what we did the year before, and we're probably going to add another seven, eight, a thousand people this year. And the key is to do two things. One, we're investing heavily in our team, today, right? Because we're growing at 36% year over year, you're doubling almost every three years, less than three years. So you need to have that investment in the existing team, married with skillsets from outside, and bring in the best talent I can get to blend with that culture. So marry the culture of old with the culture of new, and that's, you know we look for hungry, humble, and smart. People who fit that description, that's what we look for, that's what we check for when we're recruiting top talent, whether an executive or you know, a front line sales rep or customer support. >> So, we only got a couple minutes, I got a question. If you were Robert Kraft, would you have traded Tom Brady? >> Oh, you saved that question! (laughs) >> What do you think? We're going to chime in, Stu and I have an opinion. >> If I was Robert Kraft, no, I would not have traded Tom Brady, Tom Brady has earned the right to plan his future with the Patriots. I think this needs to be a happy ending for Tom Brady, and I think it would be a happy ending for Robert Kraft, I would have proactively figured out how to handle Garoppolo far better than they did, I thought they handled that poorly, but no I would not have traded Tom Brady. >> So you mean, you would have wanted to get more for Garoppolo? >> Definitely. >> Yeah obviously, right, okay. >> If you were going to get rid of him, you should have done it sooner, or you should have done it, you should have figured out, how you'd be able to do it later. >> And got more value. Okay, so you're on the side that basically, Brady should be allowed to cash his chit for all these years taking haircuts, okay. (all chattering) >> Most importantly, performance. There's nobody who performed better. >> And Dave, Brady's performance, it's not like he's fallen off a cliff or he's some old man. >> He was MVP! >> Come on Dave, didn't you hear the note today? The reason Tom Brady's staying in there, is he hasn't gotten a thousand yards of rushing yet. I think he's 36 yards off, you know, >> That could take another three more years! >> He's way more mobile now than he was 10 years ago. >> Oh, so you guys are both optimists for the coming year? >> Oh, yeah. Well you know-- >> As long as we don't play the NFC East in the Super Bowl, we're okay. (speaking quietly) >> Okay, how about the Celts? Up two-zip, LeBron really, he showed up in the first quarter last night. I know you couldn't watch the game, because you were hosting a bunch of different events, but do you think LeBron's going to come back at home, a little home cooking? You know, can the Celts make it to the finals? >> I think Brad Stevens has exposed the Cleveland Cavaliers for the team that they are. Which is LeBron and a bunch of other guys. And so I think, yes LeBron's going to have, I mean he had 45 points, so it's like we're waiting for him to break out, hit 45 points and they still lost. So I'm not so sure you're going to see that massive resurgence, I think they'll get one game in Cleveland, I think the Celts will have one game, they'll win one game in Cleveland. >> I mean, I think you're right, I think Brad Stevens has exposed the supporting cast. Now unfortunately, if the Celtics make it that far, the Warriors aren't going to be exposed, 'cause their supporting cast is pretty strong. But it'll be great to get there, to compete. >> How about getting there, with your two top players are out. >> And what do you think, Gordon Hayward comes off the bench next year, he's your sixth man, I mean wow. >> Yeah, who do you trade to get even, and what would you trade for, to make the team better? I mean it's already in great shape. >> It's good to be a Boston sports fan isn't it? >> Peter: It's great to be a Boston sports fan. >> Peter thanks so much for coming to theCUBE, always a pleasure seeing you. >> Dave, Stuart, good to see you. >> Alright, keep right there, everybody, we'll be back with our next guest. VeeamON 2018, from Chicago, you're watching theCUBE.