>> Live from Los Angeles, it's theCube covering Open Source Summit North America 2017 brought to you by the Linux Foundation and Red Hat. >> Hey welcome back everyone, live here at Los Angeles, California it's theCUBE's exclusive coverage of the Open Source Summit in North America. I'm John Furrier, your host with my co-host Stu Miniman with Wikibon, and our next two guests, Alan Dickenson who is the program director of the blockchain platform at IBM and Shaun Frankson, who's the co-founder and TED speaker at a company called The Plastic Bank doing some truly amazing things with technology for the betterment of society and communities. We'll get this out in a second. Guys, welcome to theCUBE. >> Thanks for having us. >> So two important things honestly. IBM, well-known in the history books that's being written. Real proponent of Linux, they were one of the early guys in during that movement, with a billion dollars in cash. That's a big number. You guys went all in on Linux, good bet, Linux was successful, it's now the standard so congratulations. Now you have the same thing going on with Blockchain. IBM's got the big bet, the company's best brains at work working on blockchain, kind of reminds me of the Linux move back in the day. Pretty impressive. >> Yeah I mean, there's a lot going on with Blockchain and one of the reasons we're here is that this is a developer event. We really want to help accelerate technology adoption and with our platform we launched two weeks ago, we have a whole suite of capabilities that developers can use that's complimentary, that's free and they can use that to go and try blockchain with a Hyperledger Composer and they can experiment and work on blockchain projects. >> You know I love the IBM marketing department, they always have the best commercials. To me I also love the Smarter Planet and I think Shaun, I would like to give you a chance to talk about your amazing project you have going on. Take a minute to explain, you're up on stage here at the event, pretty compelling, great social good, real value. What's some tech behind it. Take a minute to talk about your work. >> At The Plastic Bank we make plastic waste a currency so in developing countries it can be too valuable to enter the ocean. So the mission to use technology to stop ocean plastic. So we create a recycling ecosystems all around the world where people can go out, recycle the plastic that's abundant in the environment, they can earn enough value to provide for their families, send their kids to school and we have this entire ecosystem where we gather the plastic, we have these incentive programs to sort it, recycle, then we actually sell it back to some of the world's largest corporations who can use that recycled social plastic in their products instead of using new plastic. Which means that every single product tells a story of stopping ocean plastic, reducing global poverty and this really allows just a responsible consumer to make a choice that's helping to stop ocean plastic in the end. >> Well great story I just want to drill down because this highlights couple of big trends we've seen in the Internet business as it got into Big Data. And certainly you guys know a lot about that at IBM. The collective intelligence idea of having these self-forming communities, you think of any problem. Recycling plastic, which is not that hard to do, you go to the placement. How do you get it institutionalized? Is the collective intelligence problem. So you got a clever idea to do this but you also have to support it. There's a lot of cost involved so how did you pull this together? What were some of the nuance to keep the incentives, to keep the motivation, to create the payouts. We all recycle our cans for five cents at some points in our lives, I remember when I was in college it helped me a lot. But it's a whole other scale here. Take a minute to talk about the technology. >> For sure. So we're starting in developing countries that essentially have almost no existing waste management systems so we're really starting from the ground and looking at the way of how do we remove the dangers of the cash-based systems, instead have an asset-backed token that we can safely distribute and create new abilities. So really we're dealing with the unbankable who can now for the first time, save and earn through recycling. So it's not really not looking of how do we go back to you know, what's been done in the past, it's how do we take an area and start with the best technology that exists to safely bring in these new systems. >> When you say unbankable, what does that mean? >> I mean sadly, but most of the world does not qualify for a bank account. They don't have the identity, they don't have the credit history, so it's simple concept of how do you save 200 dollars to send your kid to school. You essentially hide it under a mattress and hope that nothing happens in between. But when you can safely have a digital wallet, it's just instant savings. >> Mobile phone penetration is pretty high in these areas, so they might have mobility but no actual institutional credit bank account, am I getting that right? >> Oh exactly. It's amazing when we think there's countries with no power but who have phones. So that means the education of the mobile payments is still there, it's not a foreign concept, but now you can earn the tokens which can then even be converted into mobile payment. Again where recycling is the equal opportunity. >> So are you using the blockchain component, IBM blockchain, or are you guys using a derivatives, what's the tech? >> So we use IBM blockchain, Hyperledger Fabric and LinuxOne and you know it's a system designed to scale around the world without any interruptions and just it's a go big go at home and do it right. >> You mentioned LinuxOne and I believe there's some announcements week around how to secure containers even more and we've been trying LinuxOne, Linux on the mainframe for quite a few years. Give us the update on what's new. >> One of the new things that we're announcing at this year's show is Emperor II. It's a new Linux platform and it's the technology that's underpinning The Plastic Bank's blockchain. The other thing that we're announcing is the beta for Secure Services Containers. Around the globe we have a lot of cases where data is stolen and blockchain's another type of data, we don't want it to get stolen even though there's a lot of encryption in blockchain. We still don't want the data stolen and people trying to get at it. So we have this idea of Secure Service Containers that kind of wraps around the application and protects it from malware, protects it from insiders, can't see it, insider credentials get compromised, goes into the main ways, data gets stolen. You have to do it that way. Even if IBM gets a court order for us to reveal your blockchain data, we can't do it. It's protected and encrypted in this area, and only you have the encryption keys. So the beta for that is something we also announced today. And then two weeks ago we announced the blockchain platform, it's kind of a technology that we put in place to accelerate and help people. >> Security is a huge issue, I mean the ICO marker for instance, remind me of the old stagecoach robberies, right. You literally do like a multimillion dollar ICO, completely a secured, when you're getting your wallet getting snatched, you're getting hijacked, is that something that is related to that? Or is that just a point of the security is still an open book? I mean you can have secure transactions on the blockchain but you still got your wallets out there, so you got to have a wallet strategy. >> Most of the Secure Container technology can be used for any Linux application that you run when it's out of beta. Right now it's in beta. So we're looking for users that want to have a very secure application environment, running on Linux and sign then up for our beta. >> Shaun can you tell us, what led you to this solution? I'm sure security has got to be high on your list, the kind of financial transactions that are involved in it, but I have to say a young small company, mainframe is not the initial thing that we think of. >> Again, the only way to solve the global problems is really go on such a scale that we can have hundreds of millions of pounds provided to the world's largest companies. Which just means it's got to be large scale, no interruptions and for us, trust is the biggest thing. Investor trust, client trust, and just even everyone's trust that not only the financial side, but you know we're delivering a promise of social good, environmental justice, that if we get an irrefutable trust that it's just the right system, and to me, blockchain's a trust stamp, IBM's a trust stamp, LinuxOne is a trust stamp that just it's the right way to do it on a global scale. And for us it was global was the only way to go. >> And now of course, the supply chain is a channel that you're dealing with that blockchain is a good fit for. A lot of these early use cases, their supply chain like, well you got to keep track of a lot of moving parts and who's contributing to what. >> You can have a digital token that represents the physical asset and you can kind of track it through that way and blockchain can keep the information safe and documented so that you don't lose track of the value. >> Well we're super excited. As you know, we're looking at blockchain for our audience and our world, so it's interesting, a lot of the blockchain, certainly people see the hype and the scams out there and the ICO stuff, which is natural, they're early market, the underbelly kind of shows itself, we've seen that movie before. But, here's the thing that I've never seen in my career ever. Very often, when you have alpha geeks getting super excited, we're talking CTOs, really strong technical people, and A plus entrepreneurs, they're salivating at the blockchain opportunity because they're the canaries in the coal mines in my opinion on disruption opportunities. You seeing use cases where I can solve that problem, people with passion are going after these new opportunities that were ungettable before because you'd have to roll out this complex software product, all these costs to get started. Same pattern. >> We're seeing a lot of technology people get excited about it. But they understand the technology relatively quickly and they can get it. What seems to be slowing down a lot of blockchain adoption is more the linkages with other organizations because when you're exchanging value, you're passing it between one organization and another, and another and a value chain. And getting that value chain where you can articulate who it is, and codifying the ways that you work with the people in the value chain and create a smart contract around that, that's what we see slowing down the progress of blockchain. >> We had Brian Behlendorf on yesterday, he runs the SmartLedger project for the group and we talked about decentralizations versus distributive, we all know what distributive computing is, we've seen that. But now with decentralizations, he had a good quote, he said, minimum viable decentralization and 'cause if people think that you have to have a completely decentralized environment which I thought was a really good observation. >> I agree, I heard him say that and it reminded me of one of the steps we see in blockchain progression is we have to get a minimum viable ecosystem together. We see people sometimes biting off too big of a problem and one thing I like about The Plastic Bank's approach is that they try to get it working right somewhere first and then scale from there. And then the same thing with blockchain. You have to get your ecosystem defined, you have to get that working and then expand from there. And that's one of the things that we've designed into our blockchain platform, is the ability to govern a group of folks that are trying to exchange value and then also how to operate a blockchain once it's exchanging value with a group of folks. Things like, lets say you have a new version of Hyperledger Fabric, you want to take down your blockchain that's operating while you install the new version, but we've made sure that you can do that in a smooth way that keeps on running. >> You know Alan, that is a super smart observation. I hundred percent agree with you. I've always said this, and Stu and I and Dave, we talked about this. Blockchain is a community win. The community could win this together as the community participants increase in that kind of philosophy, the value increases. If it's a winner take all, it doesn't work, clearly. So what do you guys with the ecosystem? That's a good question. Are you guys investing in the ecosystem? Can you give some examples. Obviously you're supporting great projects. >> We've built a lot of technology but one of the things that is unique about IBM's approach to blockchain is the governance tools that we've created to help manage the ecosystem. We're the only blockchain partner out there right now that has these kind of ecosystem partner tools that can kind of speed the creation of bringing multi parties together and helping them think through how they should govern the creation and then also the operation of the blockchain. What if you want to add a few more members after your blockchain is running? That's a technology problem, but it's also a business problem. And will your blockchain keep running? >> Well we'll keep in touch, we definitely want to do a lot more coverage on what you guys are doing. I think it's instrumental, we're doing a lot of coverage as well on the ICO side, tracking that business side of it, but down on the enterprise it's a lot of activity coming and I think Accenture is going to do very well. Shaun, get back to you for a second. Want to ask you a quick question. On a personal note, what has been a learning from your process? You're doing, what seems to be probably an exciting and intoxicating job where you're making social good happen, using some tech. I mean, it's a cool project. Assuming there's been some bumps along the road like any other entrepreneurial venture. What are some of the learnings you've taken away from where you are today, where you've come from and what you achieved? What are some personal learnings? >> I think really the two biggest things is one, especially coming from just a entrepreneurial nature, it's not what you know, it's what you can figure out. There's always a how. And for us, when it was when you come up with such a giant idea and you just know where it's going and where it can go past there. Mentally just becoming the person capable of achieving what you are trying to achieve as compared to getting caught up on all the things you don't know, I mean the more you know, the more you know how much you don't know and it's really just getting inspired by the fact that whatever the next answer, whatever the next hiccup, whatever the next how, we'll figure it out. I might now know the answer, but I'm committed to figuring it out and committed to becoming the person capable of figuring it out. And you know it's a journey and process and an inspiring journey to be on. >> You got to dream the future to create it. What you're saying is it's a growth mindset, I love that growth mindset, say hey we're going to go after it, we're going to see some things and have to figure it out, that's a great mindset. Versus nervousness and insecurity. Good job, well done. Well congratulations on your success and thanks for coming on theCUBE, we really appreciate it. Alan, we look forward to chatting with you in the future and talking blockchain. IBM here on theCUBE with the great projects they're doing on blockchain and also they had an announcement a couple weeks ago around some really cutting edge value around food distribution and value chain so again, Smarter Planet, I know you guys do a lot of investments early on but congratulations, and continued success Shaun. Live coverage here from the Open Source Summit in Los Angeles, California. It's theCube, I'm John Furrier, Stu Minniman, be right back with more after this short break.

>> Announcer: Live, from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering InterConnect 2017, brought to you by IBM. >> OK, welcome back everyone, live here in Las Vegas for IBM InterConnect 2017. This is theCUBE's coverage of InterConnect. I'm John Furrier, Dave Vellante, my co-host. Our next guest is Deon Newman, CMO of IBM Watson IoT, and Slava Rubin, the founder and Chief Business Officer of Indiegogo. Great keynote today, you're on stage, welcome to theCUBE. Deon, great to see you. >> Thanks for havin' me. >> I got to first set the context. Indiegogo, very successful crowdfunder you guys pioneered. It's pretty obvious now, looking back, this creates so much opportunity for people starting companies, whether it's a labor of love or growing into a great business, so congratulations on your success. What's the IBM connection? Because there was some stuff on the tweets, I don't want to break the news, but you guys are here, share the connection. What's the packaging? Why is IBM and Indiegogo working together? >> Yes, so back up to 2008, we launched to be able to get people access to funding and over the last several years, we've done a pretty good job of that, sending over a billion dollars to over a half a million entrepreneurs around the world, and more recently, we've had a lot more requests of Indiegogo, can you do more? And we knew we couldn't do it all on our own, so we partnered first with Arrow, to be able to bring these ideas more into reality around components and engineering and supply chain, and we knew we needed more in terms of these IoT products, so they need to be smart and they need software, so we were really excited to be able to announce today the partnership with IBM, around everything IoT, clouds, security, and being able to provide all the block chain and any other elements that we need. >> Deon, I want to ask you or get your thoughts on, we have the Watson data platform guys on earlier in the segments, and the composability is now the normal around data, brings the hacker-maker culture to IoT, which, if you think about it, is a sweet spot for some of the innovations. They can start small and grow big. Is that part of the plan? >> I mean, if you look at what's going on, we have about 6,000 clients already working with us in the IoT space. They tend to be the big end of town, whether it be a Daimler or a Airbus, whether it be a KONE, the world's biggest elevator company, or ISS, the world's biggest facilities management company, so we were doin' a lot of work up there, really around optimizing their operations, connecting products, wrapping services around them so that they can create new revenue streams, but where we didn't have an offering that was being used extensively was in the start-ups place, and when we saw what Indiegogo had been doing in the marketplace, and when our partner, Arrow, who, as Slava said, has really built up an engineering capability and a component capability to support these makers, it was just a match made in heaven. For an entrepreneur who needs to find a way to capture data, make that data valuable, we can do that. We have the cloud platform, we have the AI, et cetera. >> It's interesting, we just had the Strata Hadoop, we have our own big data Silicon Valley event last week and the big thing that came out of that event, finally, the revelation, this is probably not new to Slava, what you're doin' is that the production under the hood hard stuff that's being done is, in some ways stunting the creativity around some of the cooler stuff, like whether it's data analytics, or in this case, the startin' a company, so, Slava, I want to get your thoughts on your views on how the world is becoming democratized, because if you think about the entrepreneurship trend that you're riding, there's a democratization of invention. This is the creative, it's the innovation, but yet, there's all this hard stuff, that's called, like, production, or under-the-hood, that IBM's bringin'. What do you expect that to feel up? What's your vision of this democratization culture? >> It's my favorite thing that's happening. I think, whether it's YouTube democratizing access to content, or Indiegogo democratizing access to capital, the idea of democratizing access to entrepreneurship between our partnership, just really makes me smile. I think that capital is just one of those first points and now they're starting to get the money, but lots of other things are hard. When you can actually get artificial intelligence, get cloud capabilities, get security capabilities, put it into a service, so you don't need to figure all those things out on your own, so you can go from a small little idea to actually start scaling pretty rapidly, that's super exciting. When you can be on Indiegogo, and in four weeks, get 30,000 backers of demand across 100 countries, and people are saying, "We want this," it's good to know that you don't need to start ramping up your own dev team to figure out how to create a cloud on your own, or create your own AI, you can tap right into a server that's provided, which has really revolutionizing how quickly a small company can scale, so it proliferates more entrepreneurs starting, 'cause they know there's more accessibility, plus it improves their potential for success, which in the long run, just means there's more swings at the bat to be able to have an entrepreneur succeed, which I think all of us want. >> Explain for the audience how it works a little bit. You got the global platform that you built out, Arrow brings its resources and ideation, IBM brings the IoT, the cognitive platform. Talk about how that all comes together and how people take advantage of it. >> Sure, I mean you can look at it as, one example like WaterBot. So WaterBot is an actual sensor that you can deploy against your water system to be able to detect whether or not your water that you're drinking is healthy. You're getting real-time data across your system and for some reason, it's telling you you have issues, you can react accordingly. So that was an idea. You go on Indiegogo, they post that idea, and they're able to get the world to start funding it. You get customer engagement, you get actual market validation, and you get funding. Well now you actually need to make these sensors, you need to make these products, so now you get the partnership with Arrow, which is really helpful, 'cause they're helping you with the engineering, the design, the components. Now you want to be able to figure out how you can store all that data, so it's not just your own house, maybe you're evaluating across an entire neighborhood, or as a state, you want to see how the water is for the whole entire state. You put all that data up into the cloud, you want to be able to analyze the data rapidly through AI, and similarly, this is highly sensitive data, so you want it to be secure. If WaterBot, on their own, had to build out all this infrastructure, we're talking about dozens, hundreds, who knows how many people they would need, but here, through the partnership, you get the benefit of Indiegogo to get the brilliant idea to actually get validated, Arrow, to bring your idea from back of the napkin into reality, and then you get IBM Watson to help with all of the software components and cloud that we just talked about. >> Great, and how did this get started? How did you guys fall into this and how did it manifest itself? >> Take it, I tell the story? >> Go for it. >> So, I love this story. So, Slava's explained that the front end of this, it was really a partnership of Arrow and Indiegogo that came out of the need of entrepreneurs to actually build their stuff. You know, you get it funded, and then you say, "Oh boy," now I've got a bunch of orders, how do I now make this stuff? And so, Arrow had a capability; of looking at the way you designed, looking deeply with their engineers, sourcing the components, putting together, maybe whiteboxing it even for you, and so, they put that together. Now, we'll all seeing that IoT and the connected products are moving for disconnection, it's actually generating data and that data having value. And so Arrow didn't have that capability, we were great partners with Arrow, you know, when we all looked at it, you know, the need for AI coming into all these products, the need for security around the connection platform, that can actually do that connection, we were a logical map here, so we're another set of components, not the physical. We're the cloud-based components and services that enable these connected devices to sync. >> If you think about the impact, it's mind-boggling with the alternative. You mentioned, the example you gave, they probably might have abandoned the project, so if you think about the scale of these opportunities, what the alternative would have been without an Indiegogo, you probably have some anecdotal feeling on this. Any thoughts on what data you can share, do you have any kind of reference point of like, OK, we funded all this and 90% wouldn't have been done, or 70% wouldn't have been done, do you have any flavor for what's... >> Hard to know exactly. Obviously, many of these folks that came to Indiegogo, if they could have gotten funded on another path, earlier in the process, they would have. Indiegogo became really a great choice. Now you're seeing, instead of being the last resort, Indiegogo's becoming the first resort because they're getting so much validation and market data. The incredible thing is not the thing that adds scale, when you think about 500 or 700,000 entrepreneurs or over a billion dollars and it's in virtually every country in the world, if you really just look at it as one product. So, like, Flow Hive is just one example. They've revolutionized how honey gets harvested. That product was bought in almost 170 countries around the world, and it's something that hasn't been changed in over 150 years, and it's just so interesting to see that, if it wasn't for Indiegogo, that idea would not go from the back of the napkin to getting funded, and now, through these partnerships, they're able to really realize so much more of their potential. >> So, it's interesting, the machine learning piece is interesting to me, because you take the seed funding, which is great, and product market fit as they say in the entrepreneurial culture, is validated, so that's cool, but it could be, in some cases, small amounts of cash before the next milestone, but if you think about the creativity impact that machine learning can give the entrepreneur. >> Slava: Right. >> On their discovery process, early stage, that's an added benefit to the entrepreneur. >> Absolutely. Yeah, a great example bears against SmartPlate. SmartPlate is trying to use the combination of weight sensing plate, as well with photo detection, image detection, and software. The more data it can feed its image detection, the more qualified it can know, "Is that a strawberry or a cherry or is that beef?" Right? And we take that for granted that our eyes can detect all that, but it's really remarkable to think about that instead of having to journal everything by hand or make sure you pick with your finger what's the right product, how many ounces, you can take a photo of something and now it'll know what you're eating, how much you're eating and what is the food composition? And this all requires significant data, significant processing. >> Well, I'm really pumped about that, congratulations, Deon, on a great deal. I love the creativity. I think the impact to the globe is just phenomenal. I mean, by what the game-changing things that are coming out. Slava, I got to ask you, and Deon, if you could weigh in, too, maybe you have some, your favorites, the craziest thing you've seen funded, and the coolest thing you've seen funded. >> Cool is hard, because it's kind of like asking, "Well, who's your favorite child?" I have like 700,000 children, not even Wilt Chamberlain, (laughing) and I like them all. But, you know, it's everything from an activity tracker to security devices, to be able to see what the trend is 24, 36 months ahead. Before things become mainstream today, we're seeing these things three, five years ago. Things are showing up at CES, and these are things we get to see in advance. In terms of something crazy, it's not quite IoT, but I remember when a young woman tried to raise $200,000 to be able to get enough money for her and Justin Bieber to fly to the moon. (laughter) >> That's crazy. >> That didn't get quite enough funding, but something's that flush right now is Nimuno Loops is getting funded right now on Indiegogo Live, and they just posted less than seven days ago and they have Lego-compatible tape, so it's something that you can tape onto any surface, and then the other side is actually Lego-compatible, so you're actually putting Legos onto that tape. So, imagine, instead of only a flat surface to do Legos, you could do Legos on any surfacing, even your jacket. It's not the most IoT-esque product right now, but you just asked for something creative, there you go. >> That's a creative. >> I think once you got Wilt Chamberlain and Justin Bieber in conversation, I am out. (laughter) >> Keepin' it fresh. (voices overlapping) >> Slava, how does Indiegogo sustain itself? Does it take a piece of the action? Does it have other funding mechanisms for... >> The beautiful thing about Indiegogo is, it's a platform and it's all about supply-and-demand, so supply is the ideas and the entrepreneurs, and demand is the funders. It's totally free to use the website and as long as you're able to get money in your pocket, then we take a percentage. If you're not taking any money into your pocket, then we get no money. As part of the process, you might benefit from actually not receiving money. You might try to raise 100 grand, only raise 31, and learn that your price point is wrong, your target audience is wrong, your color is wrong, your bond cost is too high. All this feedback is super value. You just saved yourself a lot of pain, so really it's about building the marketplace. We're a platform, we started out just with funding, we're really becoming now a springboard for entrepreneurs, we can't do it all ourselves, which is why we're bringing on these great partners. >> And you know, we've done, just to add to that, I think it's a relevant part here, too. We've actually announced a freemium-based service for the entrepreneurs to get onto the cloud access, the AI, or to access the services as a starting point, it's a complete freemium model, so that they can get started, very low barrier to entry and obviously, scale as they grow. >> What do you call that? Is it IBM IoT Freemium or is it? >> Hasn't been a name specifically to the Freemium element of it, it's what in IoT platform, available on Bluemix. >> So, it's like a community addition of lots of, so Deon, a new chapter for you, >> Yeah. >> I saw a good quarter for mainframes last quarter, still drafting off your great work, and now you've shifted to this whole new IoT role. What's that been like, relatively new initiative for IBM, building up on some historical expertise, but give us the update on your business. >> It's about 15 months ago, we announced a global headquarters that we're going to open in Munich and we announced the Watson IoT business, which brought together a lot of IBM's expertise and a lot of our experience over the years through Smarter Cities, through the Smarter Planet Initiative, we'd been working the Internet of Things. We'd made a three billion dollar commitment to that marketplace, though we were going to go big and go strong. We've built out a horizontal platform, the Watson IoT platform. On top of that, we've got market-leading enterprise SF management software, the Maximo portfolio, TRIRIGA for facilities management, and then we have a whole set of engineering software for designing connected products as well. So we've built out a very comprehensive industry, vertical-aligned IoT business. We added, last year, we went from about 4,000 to about 6,000 plants, so we had a very good year, in terms of real enterprises getting real outcomes. We continued to bring out new industry solutions around both connected products and then, operations like retail, manufacturing, building management, Tokyo, transportation. We're building out solutions and use-cases to leverage all that software, so business is going well, we officially opened the Watson IoT headquarters three weeks ago in Munich, and we're jampacked with clients coming through that building, building with us. We've got a lot of clients who've actually taken space in the building, and they're using the co-laboratory with us to work on PSEs and see the outcomes they can drive. >> Deon Newman, with Watson IoT platforms. Slava Rubin, founder of Indiegogo. Collective intelligence as cultural shift happening. Congratulations. Crowdsourcing and using all that crowdfunding. It's really good data, not just getting the entrepreneur innovations funded, but really using that data and way in your wheelhouse, IoT. >> Yeah. >> John: Thanks for joining us in theCUBE, appreciate it. More live coverage after this short break. It's theCUBE, live in Las Vegas, for IBM InterConnect. We'll be right back. Stay with us. (theCUBE jingle)