>> Live from Bahrain, it's the Cube, covering AWS Summit Bahrain. Brought to you by Amazon web services. >> Welcome back everyone, we're here live with the Cube here, at Bahrain for exclusive coverage for AWS Summit and the opening in early 2019 just announced previously a few weeks ago, Amazon is opening a region here in the Middle East. It's going to be super impactful in the sense of entrepreneurship business coming together. I'm John Furrier, your host. We have two guests here, Manoj Kanorth, who is the AVP Head of Cloud Data Science Engineer at Mindtree, global company and Snehal Zaveri, Service Delivery Manager at Computer World here in Bahrain partnering. Guys welcome to the Cube. Thanks for coming. >> [Manoj And Snehal] Thank you, Thank you John. >> Good to be here. >> So talk about Mindtree first, what do guys do? Because you now are doing business here. The Cloud's here, not new to you guys, but this is an interesting time. >> It's extremely interesting time. So, we've been doing Cloud for 10 years. So, we do lot of digital transformation work. And, it's a great time that the government of Bahrain has really decided to go all digital and I think this a great, great time for us to be really engaged and we're very happy to be engaged with the Computer World. >> And what do you guys do? What's your main product? You're doing data science, big data analytics, cloud, devops? >> Yes, that's right. So to give you a sense, if you look at India as a country, so the core citizen identity for India, for all the governance initiatives which you could say either it's a big data, the data science piece, the entire piece is actually done by us. So that, what that really gives is, gives identity to citizens, and this is the base for all governance initiatives going forward. So building systems like that, where truly touching the lives of folks through digital transformation where its fundamentally about cloud, it's a big part of data and really about how to drive insights to make this happen, it's something that we're really working towards. So globally, we work with all the global 2000 companies, doing substantial work. >> So the role of data is a big advantage for Bahrain. They're going to make data come center of advantage, GDPR, it's a nightmare, everyone knows how bad that is, and you're living in Europe, people have stopped investing in some cases because of the requirements. So there's some data problems that are hard to solve, easy to say, hey let's create data sovereignty, let's protect consumers, sounds good but is a hard technical problem. Most people don't even know where their data is, nevermind removing, having all these things happen, but the cloud is an opportunity. So, Bahrain is identified data as a major advantage. Your reaction to that? Viable? Will they do it? How will they do it? Your thoughts? >> So I think having a region here is the first step, and I think the data protection act that has really been launched, I think used to form legal foundations to do that. Once you get on to that, after that, the technology pieces of how to put together, you're exactly right. Cloud is a great way to start, get the data together, design the right foundations to put that together. So I think it is just the right foundation for anything to start. >> They should give a hall pass for everyone prior to cloud. I know guys like doing storage. They, wait a minute, where's that data? Because storage is hard. If your provisioning storage. >> So incredibly more hard, in GDPR is the right to forget. So once somebody says forget me, then going back to all the storage's and reviewing information, is even more difficult. >> Still, talk about your role with Mindtree in Bahrain, Amazon, how do you feel about this? >> Great, I think I will, I would love to answer this question. So, first of all, we as a Computer World, we are three decade old company, more than three decades and we have legacy. We started with traditional data center, and then moved ourselves to virtualize us and to public cloud, private cloud to public cloud and from there, we have moved ourselves to digital transformation. Although it is a big buzzword today, but then we actually doesn't like disruption. We want people not to be a victim of disruption. So we always do that, that we always innovate ourself and keep a pace with industries, varied industries of course. Now as Bahrain is a company when government of Bahrain has chosen AWS, a very strong platform. Now what is missing is the best innovative solutions you need skills, resources, knowledge, to actually leverage this platform which is chosen by government, government of Bahrain. So I think as a strategy they'll alliance is once and we have chosen Mindtree, looking at their global presence, their IP, and we would like Bahrain customers, especially in the public sector and non public sector. Leverage their expertise as working with computer world. So this is all about we as in computer world. What we do and with respect to this government of varying initiative, I think we as in, we are not citizen, but as in residents of Bahrain, it is really a proud for us, that this is not a data center or region for Bahrain. It is a regional data center, we have to definitely look into that. So that's we're we are. >> It's a great opportunity, and the thing I want to point out is, this big demand from government to move faster because they're slow generally, but in Bahrain, they're fast compared to other governments. But the private sector is where, the action's going to be with entrepreneurship. So I got to ask you guys a question around cloud native. How do you guys see cloud native architectures? Because you got Amazon's cloud native. This hybrid cloud, sure, I get that, but cloud native is what everyone's going to be using. >> Perfect, so before he starts from by my side, would be foundation and then I think, he will take on from there. So very great question. So, we see cloud journey in four different phases. The first is migration, which might be the first step, which might not be, but that migration doesn't solve any purpose. We have to move beyond. So that's where the optimization phase comes. Whatever you how posted on cloud, how you can optimize it. Maybe one of the example, is you can move your database, as an infrastructure to the ideas or any other services and so on. From there is the innovative solutions, what you have to think beyond, whatever you have today do it better, do it fast and help it should extend to the smart city concept or smart governance concept or something which is beyond the normal data center what can deliver. So this is how we visualize and from there is the, is the time where you have to start developing native applications, cloud native, you should not think traditionally by hosting and then migrating. You change your mindset, start thinking cloud and living cloud. That's where we are and that's where I think they're >> Jump in, you don't want to do a little bit of cloud, you got to go all way in, this cloud operations is what everyone will end end up doing. >> [Manoj And Snehal] Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. >> So globally, any application that we are working today, I think fundamentally we have to think about how it runs from the cloud, so it's inevitable that any new architectures that we do today are fundamentally cloud native. Whether those are containers or serverless applications. >> What's the consequence for people watching, if they don't do cloud native? Because this is super important and smart, smart money, smart entrepreneurs are and smart engineers and smart business people, are doing cloud native because, there are specific things that they benefit from. >> Yes. >> What are the consequences of they don't do cloud native? >> So I think a more than consequences. Bahrain is a great opportunity to leap frog because in many places you have decide somewhere you start with a legacy, then you kind of optimize and today when you speak about and you are starting applications fresh. I think if it's directly starting on cloud native, the overall operational efficiency of how you build your applications to be more self healing. Starting fresh and leap frogging, I think is a great opportunity that a Bahrain really has. >> And certainly one of the consequences might be data impact because if we put everything in the cloud, if you're thinking cloud, you're thinking horizontally scalable and seeking a synchronous, you're thinking parallel >> You are thinking parallel >> You're thinking auto scaling, containers, microservices, service meshes. >> Fundamental service meshes you're thinking about the data discovery because you talked about GDPR and the point of resident data, so how do you apply machine learning to really understand the quality of data? How do you discover the right information and then really expose that to the different places. >> Do you think machine learning is a great weapon against GDPR or helps GDPR? >> It helps identify, classify and identify the information and even when you're sharing that information, it's a great way for you to actually get a sense of what is the classification to do it. Humanly it's not possible. >> Is it a program active, this AI can help you. >> That's where AI comes and the second big piece of how the government of bahrain is really looking at it. When the lab, the Fintech companies and the banks is going to have a lot of API's and I think serverless programming with exposing API's is just the right way for this collaboration >> it's really easy >> Makes it easy make it easy to try new things out and fail very, very quickly. >> If you think in terms of services and there's a collection of services, it's a simply API management and then you've got the future of orchestration with Cooper netties, and this is where you start to get into the state stateless applications. >> Yes >> That's where it gets a little bit difficult and some work to do there, but you can really have some fun with stateless. >> You can really have some fun with states >> and get some stuff up >> to build some stuff up and with ever increasing stability of the database in native place even the stateful applications are much more easier these days. >> This is more work involved on the micro services side. Virtually Cross has got some more to do. All right, final question. What's, what do you think is the impact of Amazon coming to the region? In the short term, medium and long term. What do you think is the impact of Amazon's region? >> Yeah, definitely. So, if you talk about the short term, first of all this is a change of mindset that I say and when government of bahrain and the top, I mean his highness, he's supporting this initiative. So the benefit is the lower costs. Operations cost has to go down. See this is not something that the one ministry or one enterprise level initiative. This is national level initiative. So end of the day when you consolidate 70, 80 ministries and you shut down the data center and host the data into AWS, then you are going to save a huge cost. And that's what AWS is found for. So with that strong commitment from the cost optimization then you get the latest technologies. You don't need to keep spending money behind your upgrades and so on that, that's >> Fine as you go up where as the security by the way people always complained about security. Oh, cloud is never going to make. I heard this right out of the gate. Security is more in the cloud than it is on premise. We hear CSO, Chief Security Officers say my worst day of security in the clouds, better than the best day on premises. >> [Manoj And Snehal] Absolute. >> And I think really in the short term, I think this is a statement of ambition. I think it really changes of the complete mindset of the region itself in terms of wanting to have the cloud here becomes the region for all new businesses to come in. And I think given in the medium term, the number of banks that are actually operate in this region, I think it's going to get great flip. to really make this as the key center of all fintech companies going forward. I think the startup initiative with the presidents of all the banks with a much more open government. I think is the right set of factors for most startups to come in, for more innovation to really drive in this region. And I think from a longterm perspective it really serves the difference in terms of how things actually are going to change and move in this particular place. >> I think you're right I think that there's going to be some poll. In that poll is going to be multidimensional. >> Got It. Got It. >> Economic, Social, Political and there is silence. >> And as Mr. Mohammad Alkiad has mentioned in his keynote during the keynote, the procurement process has reduced by 60%. That's unbelievable. You know, government with their own >> It got a home lived movement from the youth, it's going to be the summer of love. Some are a cloud because when the young people get a hold of the cloud, we're talking about young kids now. They've never provisioned Linux. >> Got It. They'd never had off server under their desk. We're talking about new new developers. >> New developers >> They go, wait a minute, what are you? Old Guys had to do all this stuff >> Exactly >> They go right to machine learning. They go right to AI. They're like, no configuration, no, no rock fetches, no mundane tasks. They want it just to be elastic. Serverless is like the right to serverless. >> and quote 9 is just a right >> creativity will come from that speed of development, creativity. So once that said, the key is setting it up >> Yup, and 2 years down the line. You will see Bahrain might be setting up a very right example for AWS to be to give everywhere. >> but we're going to be doing that. That's going to be the investment. >> We are all aligned . >> That's a good deal. That's a good deal. >> There you are. >> We are not aligned absolutely with the government policies and we will commit and that is the success guaranteed. >> I wish that I was 18 again. What I know now, I'd be killing it in the cloud. [Laughing] We went to the to tough days. Guys, thanks so much for coming on and sharing your insights. Great conversation. Its really about what's happening in innovation. It's about cloud computing, it's about scale, it's about new things. Certainly bring a lot of change and good positive change with challenges as opportunities. CUBE see here for the first time bringing to you. Stay with us for more after this short break.

(gentle music) >> Welcome back to our coverage here on theCUBE of AWS re:Invent 22. We are on day three, starting to wind down, but still a lot of exciting topics to cover here on the AWS Global Showcase, part of the startup program there at AWS. Joining us now, two representatives from LTI Mindtree. You say LTI Mindtree? I thought they were two different companies. Well, they're actually one and the same. Been together just a mere two weeks now. We'll hear more about that from Sid Bohra, who is the Chief Business Officer at LTI Mindtree and Ashish Varerkar, who is the Vice President of Cloud Success at LTI Mindtree. Gentlemen, thanks for being with us here on theCUBE. >> Pleasures all ours. >> Thank you. >> And congratulations. So two weeks in the making in its infancy, still in the honeymoon period, but how's the two weeks been? Everything all right? >> Well, two weeks have been very exciting. >> I'll bet. >> Well, I would say the period prior to that was just as exciting as you can imagine. >> John: Oh, sure. And we are super excited about what the future holds for this company because we truly believe that we have a remarkable opportunity to create value for our clients as one company. >> Well let's talk about LTI Mind tree then a little bit. Ashish, I'll let you carry the ball on this. Tell us about your services, about your core focus, and about those opportunities that Siddharth was just telling us about. >> So I think with the two companies coming together, we have a larger opportunity to like go to market with our end to end business transformation services and leveraging cloud platforms, right? So, and that's what we do. My responsibility particularly is to see to it that what customers are deploying on cloud is aligned to their business outcomes and then take it forward from there. >> Yeah, Vice President of Cloud Success, that gives you a lot of runway, right? Does it not? I mean, how do you define success in the cloud? Because there are a lot of different areas of complexity with which companies are dealing. >> So I think you would agree that in today's scenario, customers are not looking for a platform, right? But they're looking for a platform which can deliver business value. They're looking at business value and resiliency and then at the end, the cost, right? So if you're able to deliver these three things to the customer through the cloud implementation, I think that's success for us. >> Right. We've talked about transformation a lot this week and modernization, right, which is those are two pretty key buzzwords right now we're hearing a lot of. So when you see said, you know, companies come to you and they say, okay, it's time for us to make this commitment. Do they make it generally wholeheartedly? Is there still some trepidation of the unknown? Because there's a lot of, as we've said, complexity to this, it's multidimensional. We can go public, we can go hybrid, we can go multicloud. I mean, we got a lot of flavors. >> Yeah >> Absolutely. >> No, we see a spectrum. There are customers who are very early in the journey of getting onto cloud and are a little uncertain about what value they can get out of it. And on the other end of the spectrum, there are companies who are well into the journey who have understood what are the benefits of truly leveraging cloud who also understand what are the challenges they will face in getting onto the journey. So we get to meet a spectrum of customers, I would say. If you ask me where do bulk of them lie, I would say early in their journey. I would say there are only a handful who have that maturity where they can predict what's exactly going to happen on the cloud journey, what value they will accumulate through the process. So there's a lot of hand holding to be done, a lot of, you know, solving together to be done with our clients. >> You know, it is such a dynamic environment too, right? You have new opportunities that seem to be developed and released on a daily basis, almost, right? There's a large amount of flexibility, I would think, that has to be in place because where you think you're going to go today might not be where you wind up in six months. >> That's true. >> Is that fair? >> Absolutely fair. And I think from that perspective, if you look at the number of services that AWS provides, right? And what customers are looking for is how can they compose their business processes using this multiple services in a very seamless manner. And most of the announcements that we have seen during the re:Invent as well, they're talking about seamless connectivity between their services. They're talking about security, they're talking about creating a data fabric, the data zone that they announced. I think all these things put together, if you're able to kind of connect the dots and drive the business processes, I think that's what we want to do for our customers. >> And the value to AWS, it just can't be underscored enough I would assume, because there's comfort there, there's confidence there. When you bring that to the table as well along with your services, what kind of magnitude are we talking about here? What kind of force do you think? How would you characterize that? >> Well I think, you know, firstly, I would say that most of our engagements are not just services. Ashish and team and the company have invested heavily in building IP that we pair with our services so that we bring non-linearity and more, I would say, certainty to the outcomes that our customers get. And I can share some examples in the course of the conversation, but to answer your question in terms of magnitude, what we are collaborating with AWS on for our clients ranges from helping customers build more resiliency. And I'm talking about life sciences companies build more resiliency in the manufacturing R and D processes. That's so critical. It was even more critical during the pandemic times because we were working with some of the pharma companies who were contributing to the efforts in the pandemic. That's one end of the spectrum. On the other side, we are helping streaming companies and media companies digitize their supply chain, and their supply chains, the media supply chain, so that it is more effective, it's more efficient, it's more real time, again, using the power of the cloud. We are helping pharmaceutical companies drive far greater speed in the R and D processes. We are helping banking companies drive far more compliance in their anti-money laundering efforts and all of those things. So if you look at the magnitude, we judge the magnitude by the business impact that it's creating and we are very excited about what AWS, LTI Mindtree, and the customer are able to create in terms of those business impacts. >> And these are such major decisions. >> That's right. >> For a company, right, to make, and there are a number of factors that come into play here. What are you hearing from the C-Suite with regard to what weighs the most in their mind and is there, is it a matter of, you know, fear missing out? Or is it about trying to stay ahead of your competition, catching up the competition? I mean, generally speaking, you know, where are the, where's the C-Suite weighing in on this? >> I think in the current times, I think there is a certain level of adoption of cloud that's already happened in most enterprises. So most CIOs in the C-suite- >> They already get it. They already get it. >> They kind of get it, but I would say that they're very cagey about a bunch of things. They're very cagey about, am I going to end up spending too much for too little? Am I going to be able to deliver this transformation at the speed that I'm hoping to achieve? What about security? Compliance? What about the cost of running in the cloud? So those are some really important factors that sometimes end up slowing the cloud transformation journeys down because customers end up solving for them or not knowing for them. So while there is a decent amount of awareness about what cloud can do, there are some, a whole bunch of important factors that they continue to solve for as they go down that journey. >> And so what kind of tools do you provide them then? >> Primarily, what we do is, to Siddharth's point, right? So on one end, we want to see to it that we are doing the business transformation and all our cloud journeys start with a business North Star. So we align, we have doubled down on, say, five to six business domains. And for each of these business domains industries, we have created business North Star. For these business North Star, we define the use cases. And these use cases then get lit up through our platform. So what we have done is we have codified everything onto our platform. We call it Infinity. So primarily business processes from level one, level two, level three, level, and then the KPIs which are associated with these business processes, the technical KPIs and the business KPIs, and then tying it back to what you have deployed on cloud. So we have end to end cloud transformation journeys enabled for customers through the business North Star. >> And Infinity is your product. >> Can I add something? >> Please do. Yeah, please. >> Yeah so, you know, Ashish covered the part about demystifying if I were to do this particular cloud initiative, it's not just modernizing the application. This is about demystifying what business benefit will accrue to you. Very rare to find unless you do a very deep dive assessment. But what the platform we built also accelerates, you talked about modernization early in the conversation, accelerates the modernization process by automating a whole bunch of activities that are often manual. It bakes insecurity and compliance into everything it does. It automates a whole bunch of cloud operations including things like finops. So this is a life cycle platform that essentially codifies best practices so that you are not getting success by coincidence, you're getting success by design. So that's really what, that's really how we've approached the topic of realizing the true power of cloud by making sure that it's repeatedly delivered. >> Right. You know, I want to hit on security too because you brought that up just a few moments ago. Obviously, you know, we all, and I'd say we, we can do a better job, right? I mean, there's still problems, there's still challenges, there are a lot of bad actors out there that are staying ahead of the game. So as people come to you, clients come to you, and they raise these security concerns, what's your advice to them in terms of, you know, what kind of environment they're going into and what precautions or protections they can put in place to try to give themselves a little bit of peace of mind about how they're going to operate? >> You want to take it? >> So I think primarily, if you are going to cloud, you are going with an assumption that you are moving out of your firewalls, right? You're putting something out of your network area. So and from that perspective, the parameter security from the cloud perspective is very, very important. And then each and every service or the interactions between the services and what you integrate out of your organization, everything needs to be secured through the right guard rates. And we integrate all those things into our platform so that whatever new apps that get deployed or build or any cost product that gets deployed on cloud, everything is secure from a 360 degree perspective. So primarily, maintaining a good security posture, which on a hybrid cloud, I would not say only cloud, but extending your on-prem security posture to cloud is very, very important to when you go to implementing anything on could. >> If you had a crystal ball and we were sitting down here a year from now, you know, what do you think we'd be talking about with regard to, you know, developing these end-to-end opportunities that you are, what's the, I wouldn't say missing piece, but a piece that you would like to have refined to the point where you come back next year and say, John, guess what we did? Look what we were able to accomplish. Anything that you're looking at that you want to tackle here in 2023? Or is there some fine tuning somewhere that you think could even tighten your game even more than it is already? >> We have a long, long way to go, I would say. I think my core takeaway in terms of where the world of technology is headed because cloud is, you know, is essentially a component of what customers want to achieve. It's a medium through which they want to achieve. I think we live in a highly change oriented economy. Every industry is what I call getting re-platformed, right? New processes, new experiences, new products, new efficiency. So a year from now, and I can tell you even for few years from now, we would be constantly looking at our success in terms of how did cloud move the needle on releasing products faster? How did cloud move the needle on driving better experience and better consumer loyalty, for example. How did cloud move the needle on a more efficient supply chain? So increasingly, the technology metrics like, you know, keeping the lights on, or solving tickets, or releasing code on time, would move towards business metrics because that's really the ultimate goal of technology or cloud. So I would say that my crystal ball says we will increasingly be talking business language and business outcomes. Jeff Bezos is an incredible example, right? One of his annual letters, he connected everything back into how much time did consumers save by using Amazon. And I think that's really where in the world, that's the world we are headed towards. >> Ashish, any thoughts on that? >> I think Siddharth put it quite well. I would say if you are able to make a real business impact for our customers in next one year, helping them in driving some of their newer services on cloud through cloud, that would be a success factor for us. >> Well gentlemen, congratulations on the merger. I said two weeks. Still very much in the honeymoon phase and I'm sure it's going to go very well and I look forward to seeing you back here in a year. We'll sit down, same spot, let's remember, fifth floor, and we'll give it a shot and see how accurate you were on that. >> Absolutely. >> Wonderful. It's been a pleasure. >> Thank you gentlemen. >> Thank you for joining us. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Ashish, good to see you, sir. >> Thank you. >> A pleasure. We'll continue here. We're at the Venetian at AWS re:Invent 22, continue at the AWS Global Showcase startup. I'm John Walls. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in high tech coverage. (gentle music)