>>Hey everyone, it's Vegas. Welcome back. We know you've been watching all day. We appreciate that. We always love being able to bring you some great content on the Cube Live from AWS Reinvented 22. Lisa Martin here with Paul Gill. And Paul, we've had such a great event. We've, I think we've done nearly 70 interviews since we started on the Cube on >>Monday night. I believe we just hit 70. Yeah, we just hit 70. You must feel like you've done half of >>Them. I really do. But we've been having great conversations. There's so much innovation going on at aws. Nothing slowed them down during the pandemic. We love also talking about the innovation, the flywheel that is their partner ecosystem. We're gonna have a great conversation about that >>Next. And as we've said, going back to day one, the energy of the show is remarkable. And here we are, we're getting late in the afternoon on day two, and there's just as much activity, just as much energy out there as, as the beginning of the first day. I have no doubt day three will be the >>Same. I agree. There's been no slowdown. We've got two guests here. We're gonna have a great conversation. Chuck Kubota joins us, senior Director of Cloud Services, GTM at Red Hat. Great to have you on the program. And Ted Stanton, global head of Sales, red Hat at IBM at aws. Welcome. >>Thanks for having us. >>How's the show going so far for you guys? >>It's a blur. Is it? Oh my gosh. >>Don't they all >>Blur? Well, yes, yes. I actually like last year a bit better. It was half the size. Yeah. And a lot easier to get around, but this is back to normal, so >>It is back to normal. Yeah. And and Ted, we're hearing north of 50,000 in-person attendees. I heard a, something I think was published. I heard the second hand over like 300,000 online attendees. This is maybe the biggest one we ever had. >>Yeah, yeah, I would agree. And frankly, it's my first time here, so I am massively impressed with the overall show, the meeting with partners, the meeting with customers, the announcements that were made, just fantastic. And >>If you remember back to two years ago, there were a lot of questions about whether in-person conferences would ever return and the volume that we used to see them. And that appears to be >>The case. I think we, I think we've answered, I think AWS has answered that for us, which I'm very pleased to see. Talk about some of those announcements. Ted. There's been so much that that's always one of the things we know and love about re men is there's slew of announcements. You were saying this morning, Paul, and then keynote, you lost, you stopped counting after I >>Lost 15, I lost count for 15. I think it was over 30 announcements this morning alone >>Where IBM and Red Hat are concern. What are some of the things that you are excited about in terms of some of the news, the innovation, and where the partnership is going? >>Well, definitely where the partnership is going, and I think even as we're speaking right now, is a keynote going on with Aruba, talking about some of the partners and the way in which we support partners and the new technologies and the new abilities for partners to take advantage of these technologies to frankly delight our customers is really what most excites me. >>Chuck, what about you? What's going on with Red Hat? You've been there a long time. Sales, everything, picking up customers, massively transforming. What are some of the things that you're seeing and that you're excited >>About? Yeah, I mean, first of all, you know, as customers have, you know, years ago discovered it's not competitively advantageous to manage their own data centers in most cases. So they would like to, you know, give that responsibility to Amazon. We're seeing them move further up the stack, right? So that would be more beyond the operating system, the application platforms like OpenShift. And now we have a managed application platform built on OpenShift called Red Out OpenShift service on AWS or Rosa. And then we're even further going up the stack with that with, we just announced this week that red out OpenShift data science is available in the AWS marketplace, runs on Rosa, helps break the land speed record to getting those data models out there that are so important to make, you know, help organizations become more, much more data driven to remain competitive themselves. >>So talk about Rosa and how it differs from previous iterations of, of OpenShift. I mean, you had, you had an online version of OpenShift several years ago. What's different about Rosa? >>Yeah, so the old OpenShift online that was several years old, right? For one thing, wasn't a joint partnership between Amazon and Red Hat. So we work together, right? Very closely on this, which is great. Also, the awesome thing about Rosa, you know, if you think about like OpenShift for, for, as a matter of fact, Amazon is the number one cloud that OpenShift runs on, right? So a lot of those customers want to take advantage of their committed spins, their EDPs, they want one bill. And so Rosa comes through the one bill comes through the marketplace, right? Which is, which is totally awesome. Not only that or financially backing OpenShift with a 99.95% financially backed sla, right? We didn't have that before either, right? >>When you say financially backed sla, >>What do you mean? That means that if we drop below 99.95% of availability, we're gonna give you some money back, right? So we're really, you know, for lack of better words, putting our money where our mouth is. Absolutely right. >>And, and some of the key reasons that we even work together to build Rosa was frankly we've had a mirror of customers and virtually every single region, every single industry been using OpenShift on AWS for years, right? And we listened to them, they wanted a more managed version of it and we worked very closely together. And what's really great about Rosa too is we built some really fantastic integrations with some of the AWS native services like API gateway, Amazon rds, private link, right? To make it very simple and easy for customers to get started. We talked a little bit about the marketplace, but it's also available just on the AWS console, right? So customers can get started in a pay as you go fashion start to use it. And if they wanna move into a more commitment, more of a set schedule of payments, they can move into a marketplace private offer. >>Chuck, talk about, how about Rosen? How is unlocking the power of technology like containers Kubernetes for customers while dialing down some of the complexity that's >>There? Yeah, I mean if you think about, you know, kind of what we did, you know, earlier on, right? If you think about like virtualization, how it dialed down the complexity of having to get something rack, get a blade rack, stack cable and cooled every time you wanted to deploy new application, right? So what we do is we, our message is this, we want developers to focus on what matters most. And that's build, deploy, and running applications. Most of our customers are not in the business of building app platforms. They're not in the business of building platforms like banks, I, you know, financials, right? Government, et cetera. Right? So what we do is we allow those developers that are, enable those developers that know Java and Node and springing and what have you, just to keep writing what they know. And then, you know, I don't wanna get too technical here, but get pushed through way and, and OpenShift takes care of the rest, builds it for them, runs it through a pipeline, a CICD pipeline, goes through all the testing and quality gates and things like that, deploys it, auto wires it up, you know, to monitoring which is what you need. >>And we have all kinds of other, you know, higher order services and an ecosystem around that. And oh, by the way, also plugging into and taking advantage of the services like rds, right? If you're gonna write an application, a tradition, a cloud native application on Amazon, you're probably going to wanna run it in Rosa and consuming one of those databases, right? Like RDS or Aurora, what have you. >>And I, and I would say it's not even just the customers. We have a variety of ecosystem partners, both of our partners leveraging it as well. We have solos built their executive management system that they go ahead and turn and sell to their customers, streamlines data and collects data from a variety of different sources. They decided, you know, it's better to run that on top of Rosa than manage OpenShift themselves. We've seen IBM restack a lot of their software, you know, to run on top of Rose, take advantage of that capabilities. So lots of partners as well as customers are taking advantage of fully managed stack of that OpenShift that that turnkey capabilities that it provides >>For, for OpenShift customers who wanna move to Rose, is that gonna be a one button migration? Is that gonna be, can they run both environments simultaneously and migrate over time? What kind of tools are you giving them? >>We have quite, we have quite a few migration tools such as conveyor, right? That's one of our projects, part of our migration application toolkit, right? And you know, with those, there's also partners like Trilio, right? Who can help move, you know, applications back 'em up. In fact, we're working on a pretty cool joint go to market with that right now. But generally speaking, the OpenShift experience that the customers that we have know and love and those who have never used OpenShift either are coming to it as well via Rosa, right? The experience is primarily the same. You don't have to really retrain your people, right? If anything, there's a reduction in operational cost. We increase developer productivity cuz we manage so much of the stack for you. We have SRE site reliability engineers that are backing the platform that proactively get ahead of anything that may go wrong. So maybe you don't even notice if something went wrong, wrong. And then also reactively fixing it if it comes to that, right? So, you know, all those kind of things that your customers are having to do on their own or hire a contractor, a consultant, what have to do Now we benefit from a managed offering in the cloud, right? In Amazon, right? And your developers still have that great experience too, like to say, you know, again, break the land speed record to prod. >>I >>Like that. And, and I would actually say migrations from OpenShift are on premise. OpenShift to Rosa maybe only represents about a third of the customers we have. About another third of the customers is frankly existing AWS customers. Maybe they're doing Kubernetes, do it, the, you know, do it themselves. We're struggling with some of the management of that. And so actually started to lean on top of using Rosa as a better platform to actually build upon their applications. And another third, we have quite a few customers that were frankly new OpenShift customers, new Red Hat customers and new AWS customers that were looking to build that next cloud native application. Lots of in the startup space that I've actually chosen to go with Rosa. >>It's funny you mention that because the largest Rosa consumer is new to OpenShift. Oh wow. Right. That's pretty, that's pretty powerful, right? It's not just for existing OpenShift customers, existing OpenShift. If you're running OpenShift, you know, on EC two, right. Self-managed, there's really no better way to run it than Rosa. You know, I think about whether this is the 10th year, 10 year anniversary of re right? Right. Yep. This is also the 10 year anniversary of OpenShift. Yeah, right. I think it one oh came out about sometime around a week, 10 years ago, right? When I came over to Red Hat in 2015. You know, if you, if you know your Kubernetes history was at July 25th, I think was when Kubernetes ga, July 25th, 2015 is when it g you have >>A good >>Memory. Well I remember those days back then, right? Those were fun, right? The, we had a, a large customer roll out on OpenShift three, which is our OpenShift RE based on Kubernetes. And where do you think they ran Amazon, right? Naturally. So, you know, as you move forward and, and, and OpenShift V four came out, the, reduces the operational complexity and becomes even more powerful through our operator framework and things like that. Now they revolved up to Rosa, right? And again, to help those customers focus on what matters most. And that's the applications, not the containers, not those underlying implementation and technical details while critically important, are not necessarily core to the business to most of our customers. >>Tremendous amount of innovation in OpenShift in a decade, >>Pardon me? >>Tremendous amount of innovation in OpenShift in the >>Last decade. Oh absolutely. And, and and tons more to come like every day. Right. I think what you're gonna see more of is, you know, as Kubernetes becomes more, more and more of the plumbing, you know, I call 'em productive abstractions on top of it, as you mentioned earlier, unlocking the power of these technologies while minimizing, even hiding the complexity of them so that you can just move fast Yeah. And safely move fast. >>I wanna be sure we get to, to marketplaces because you have been, red Hat has made, has really stepped up as commitment to the AWS marketplace. Why are you doing that now and how are, how are the marketplaces evolving as a channel for you? >>Well, cuz our customers want us to be there, right? I mean we, we, we are customer centric, customer first approach. Our customers want to buy through the marketplace. If you're an Amazon, if you're an Amazon customer, it's really easy for you to go procure software through the marketplace and have, instead of having to call up Red Hat and get on paper and write a second check, right? One stop shop one bill. Right? That is very, very attractive to our customers. Not only that, it opens up other ways to buy, you know, Ted mentioned earlier, you know, pay as you go buy the drink pricing using exactly what you need right now. Right? You know, AWS pioneered that, right? That provides that elasticity, you know, one of the core tenants at aws, AWS cloud, right? And we weren't able to get that with the traditional self-managed on Red Hat paper subscriptions. >>Talk a little bit about the go to market, what's, you talked about Ted, the kind of the three tenants of, of customer types. But talk a little bit about the gtm, the joint go to market, the joint engineering, so we get an understanding of how customers engage multiple options. >>Yeah, I mean, so if you think about go to market, you know, and the way I think of it is it's the intersection of a few areas, right? So the product and the product experience that we work together has to be so good that a customer or user, actually many start talk, talking about users now cuz it's self-service has a more than likely chance of getting their application to prod without ever talking to a person. Which is historically not what a lot of enterprise software companies are able to do, right? So that's one of those biggest things we do. We want customers to just be successful, turn it on, get going, be productive, right? At the same time we wanna to position the product in such a way that's differentiating that you can't get that experience anywhere else. And then part of that is ensuring that the education and enablement of our customers and our partners as such that they use the platform the right way to get as much value out of as possible. >>All backed by, you know, a very smart field that ensures that the customer get is making the right decision. A customer success org, this is attached to my org now that we can go on site and team with our customers to make sure that they get their first workloads up as quickly as possible, by the way, on our date, our, our dime. And then SRE and CEA backing that up with support and operational integrity to ensure that the service is always up and available so you can sleep, sleep, sleep well at night. Right? Right. One of our PMs of, of of Rosa, he says, what does he say? He says, Rosa allows organizations, enables organizations to go from 24 7 operations to nine to five innovation. Right? And that's powerful. That's how our customers remain more competitive running on Rosa with aws, >>When you're in customer conversations and you have 30 seconds, what are the key differentiators of the solution that you go boom, boom, boom, and they just go, I get it. >>Well, I mean, my 32nd elevator pitch, I think I've already said, I'll say it again. And that is OpenShift allows you to focus on your applications, build, deploy, and run applications while unlocking the power of the technologies like containers and Kubernetes and hiding or minimizing those complexities. So you can do as fast as possible. >>Mic drop Ted, question for you? Sure. Here we are at the, this is the, I leave the 11th reinvent, 10th anniversary, 11th event. You've been in the industry a long time. What is your biggest takeaway from what's been announced and discussed so far at Reinvent 22, where the AWS and and its partner ecosystem is concerned? If you had 30 seconds or if you had a bumper sticker to put on your DeLorean, what would you say? >>I would say we're continuing to innovate on behalf of our customers, but making sure we bring all of our partners and ecosystems along in that innovation. >>Yeah. I love the customer obsession on both sides there. Great work guides. Congrats on the 10th anniversary of OpenShift and so much evolution, the customer obsession is really clear for both of you guys. We appreciate your time. You're gonna have to come back now. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. For our guests and for Paul Gillin. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching The Cube, the leader in live enterprise and emerging tech coverage.

>>From London, England. It's the cube covering Coupa. Inspire 19 AMIA brought to you by Cooper. >>Hi. Welcome to the cube Lisa Martin on the ground in London a Coupa inspire 19 please to walk to the cube for the first time. Mads think Jensen partner advisory firm. KPMG. NADHs welcome to the cube. >>Thank you Liza. It's a pleasure to be here. >>Great to have you. So we have all this excitement around us. Lots of folks here in London for Coupa inspire. Talk to me about the state of procurement. Guba talks about P IPE procurement, invoicing, payments, expenses. The procurement has been changing a lot recently. You have a lot of experience in procurement. Talk to me about what the state of procurement is like today. What some of those waves of disruption are. >>Yeah, so you could say traditionally procurement has been very much about, you know, making agreements with suppliers. Uh, the business has have had an, uh, a need and asked or requested procurement to fulfill that need. Typically, it has taken a lot of time and a lot of effort from the procurement departments, uh, in many cases delaying projects. And, and things like that. Businesses are much more agile now. They expect, you know, from different back office functions including procurement, they expect a much more agile approach to delivering services. So if you are running a project, uh, in the business and you go to procurement asking for a specific surface service or product and procurement says, ah, this will take, you know, four to six months, that is absolutely not acceptable. So the businesses in general are now you could say transforming the way that they are requesting procurement services, which means procurement are now being disrupted quite a lot. >>Eh, they have to think very differently. They have to be more proactive instead of being a reactive business partner, you could say. So being proactive in the sense that they embrace the business and actually deliver the needs before they are asked by the business. So that's a way where procurement organizations, they need to be much more predictive and understand what's going on both in the business but also in the market. And then you could say on the other hand, procurement, traditionally they do a contract and then they finalize the contract. And then they kind of keep the hands off. Yeah. So the future is that procurement, they do a contract, of course that's a a key part of being a procurement department, but they also need to operate, operationalize the contracts. So in terms of making sure that the users in in the business that they can actually use the contract and buy onto that specific contract. So a lot of things are changing in procurement and which also means that you will see now different operating models. You will see different interactions with businesses and will see quite a lot of different expectations coming from the business to the procurement departments. >>I can imagine that will be, those are challenges for say an incumbent, a chief procurement officer or financial decision maker who's used to certain processes with certain boundaries. How in your advisory role do you work with clients to help them even just embrace the cultural change that's required of this function to be much more strategic and much more impactful to a business? >>Absolutely. I mean, you know, we use Kupa as a platform to, to help clients transforming the way that they are doing procurement. Eh, and, and actually we don't see a copayment implementation as an it implementation project. We see it as a business transformation project. And the thing is that one thing is that you start changing the way that you're doing things, but it's also a mindset change. And the challenge here for, for CPO so far, procurement officers is actually to make sure that the procurement organization have the necessary challenges to make that transformation. And you know, a lot of the stuff that we are doing when we are implementing solutions like Cooper is of course taking away all the transactional work that's automated. And we are also providing insight. So insight into spin, into to a transaction, to transaction processes, to turnaround times, to delivery, to, you know, all these kinds of things. And the, and the challenge for the CPO is to make sure that the part of the organization that are currently doing very transactional processes, how can they transform to becoming more strategic thinking and proactive people? >>And tell me how from KPMGs perspective, how is Kupa helping to drive that transformation for its customers? >>Yeah, it's a good question actually, because I mean Kubota's a technology, but it's also much more than a technology because as Cooper also emphasizes, it's also about a community. Yes. So the thing is that with a platform like Uber, you get technology support for your processes, but you also get a lot more insight. So you get a lot of possibilities to act in a very different way. So for instance, you can see eh spin patterns. So in that way you can predict how businesses actually on an annual basis, what their need will be. So in that way you can also prepare for some of the stuff that are happening in the business. And also you could see as a procurement person, as assaulting a manager or category innovators as Cooper's calling it, eh, you now have the insight to act. You think more strategic on your supplier, BS, on the marketing, on the market tendencies. You can see how other companies are procuring stuff. Are they going from one type of windows to another type of vendors and how is that going? So you could see Cuba is a tool not only to structure processes and to transformations, but it's also a platform and a technology that changes the way that you think and you act. >>You mentioned the word predictive, it's not going to go. And one of the things that that will, the P and Kupa stands for prescriptive. Rob talked about, I think the number was over 22,000 prescriptions that were delivered through the community just in the last, I think he said 12 months, very short period of time. A lot of innovation there going helping a business in whatever industry it's in. Go from being reactive to proactive, to predictive. Is that a game changer or is that something that you think every business has to become predictive to be relevant? >>Yeah, so you could say, of course it differs a little bit from industry to industry. There are many different ways of of looking at procurement, but a general thing across industries that, that that doesn't really change whether it's manufacturing or fast moving consumer goods or pharmaceutical or whatever is that that the procurement needs to understand the business that they are serving because uh, you know, traditionally procurement, they are a little bit isolated. Like it was, you know, 10, 15 years ago didn't really understand what's going on in the business. In many cases, in many cases it's not like that, but in many cases it is, you know, they are very transactional, they are establishing contracts and things like that. But the thing is that if you don't understand your business and if you don't understand the way your business operates, you know you can have annual cycles, you can have innovation cycles, you can have different demands in the market depending on the time of year and things like that. >>So in general, procurement organizations really need to change their mindset of getting out there, speaking with the business, understanding the business, understanding the strategies, aligning the procurement strategies into the general business strategy. And then embrace innovation. Because, I mean, even though coop as a platform is at a really, really nice place right now with a lot of transformational possibilities, I mean who knows what comes tomorrow. That will be a number of different things changing over the course of you know, two, six months, a year, two years, things like that. So I think in general, procurement organizations need to think in a much more agile way. Adapting, adapting, sorry. What the, what the company in general is adapting. >>So tell me a little bit, let's dig a little bit deeper into what KPMG and Coupa are doing together to drive the future of procurement. >>Absolutely. So KPMG have developed a framework we call power procurement, which F which is a framework that gives, you could say clients are very, very structured way of doing a transformation. And that framework is actually built on top of the Cooper platform. So we have developed a model, which is you could say technology agnostic, but we have specifically developed a model that a, that is placed on top of the Cooper platform where we utilize as a, you know, the possibilities that platform have. And one core thing is that the mantra of Cooper is is measurable business value and the transformation that we want to do together with our clients is exactly open their eyes in terms of how do you get that measurable business value because how do you measure it? What is it that you want to measure? Is it savings only? Not necessarily. It can be a lot of different things. And the Cooper platform you could say enable that transformation process in a really, really good way because you actually don't really think about technology. You think about business transformation and that's why I think you know, the way that we utilize this group as a platform is quite unique. >>So thinking back to your long history in procurement advisory, your background as a supplier and on the industry side, when you look at that compared to you know your, your day to day life where you're a consumer and you're buying things very easily through Amazon and different marketplaces, how is Coupa helping to bring in some of that consumerization and help meet the demands of people that want things to be? To your point, I don't want to be looking at a UI or a technology. I want this to be simpler like it is when I'm going to buy groceries online. Are they helping to really bridge that gap? >>Yeah, so it's a really good question actually because you could see in reality the value comes from a meaningful experience. And you could say traditionally when you have, you know, I was part of the mask organization, the Danish shipping company and eh, you know, we did a lot of stuff on behalf of the business to make sure that they could, you know, do the, execute the role and get the products and services they needed. It was typically a very cumbersome process where people had to think in very complex processes and you know, how do I actually get this thing I need now? And what's happening now with a platform like Kupa is that you actually adopt the way of thinking coming from your private life as well. So it's kind of merging a little bit the way that you think when you do procurement because it's not a complex process. Of course it takes longer in a business environment you can say because also because you need to do a different sourcing exercises. They are regulations in the public safety and so forth. But in, in, in the way that you are thinking of how you procure and get access to the goods and services that you need for, for, for, you know, executing your role. It's a very different mindset and that's where technologies like Cooper comes in as you could say, straightforward way of getting access to these things. >>So KPMG clearly has choice and who it chooses to partner with. Tell me a little bit more about what Kupa and the partnership means to KPMG and the competitive differentiation it might deliver.. >>Yeah, absolutely. I mean they are a number of different platforms in the market of course. And, and it's actually quite interesting these year because there's a lot of development. I actually started out a new company in 2001 where we developed an e-procurement platform. And uh, I can tell that both the suppliers and the market and the suppliers in general have changed quite a lot since then. And a lot of more actors are coming into the market. And the interesting thing is that you know, the, the traditional actors, they have quite some difficulty in following up with, with a company like Cooper. And you could see Cooper as a platform is really interesting because it, first of all, it adopts the cloud technology, which means that eh, companies doesn't have to think about, you know, maintenance operations, you know, all these things that typically come with on premise solutions. >>And, and it has this ability to create this community because the technology platform is developed and designed and architected in the way it is, which means you have a suite of components that all feeds into a common community. Yes. Which create, you could see a much, much better platform to innovate than what we see in the competitive compete competing landscape. So in H in essence, when Rob today talked about the community, that's where we see a huge differentiator, the way that Cooper works with the community and takes intelligence from the community. And based on that can actually come up with really, really impressive, innovative ideas. >>Last question for you. The Mads, the category of business spend management that Coupa is working hard to define. What does that mean from Cape KPMGs perspective? >>Yeah, so so you could see for me it's actually quite eh relieving that eh, that those an actor in the market that that starts to talk about business spend management. It's a, it's a new term that the Cooper have introduced. I mean there have been variations on the, on the, on that subject, but it's the first time that you have a very clear pronunciation of what this all, what this is all about. Because business spend management is much more, more than just the, you could say the narrow procurement bit. Procurement is a course as a huge part of it, but I mean they are expense management as an example. You have all the procurement staff, you have spinned in a lot of different areas, like a salary that's not kind of the part part of the platform yet, but which would make a lot of sense. >>You could say. So this is the first time where you actually have a suite that in all the different components and areas embrace business, spend management, and in in essence, you could see, I think Rob also mentioned it in a very good way. This is actually, it's the procurement department that managers, you know, a huge part of the value of the, in terms of managing the spend. So it's an extremely important task the procurement, uh, organizations have. And the good thing is that we see increasingly see that procurement gets closer and closer to the strategic area of businesses. >>Well, Matt, thank you so much for joining me on the cube and describing the procurement history that you have, what KPMG a Kupa are doing together. We appreciate your time. Thank you, Lisa. It was a pleasure to be here. Likewise for a Mads. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching the cube from Kupa inspire London 19. Thanks for watching.