(upbeat music) >> Welcome to this Cube Conversation. I'm Lisa Martin. I'm talking next with Sanzio Bassini, the head of High Performance Computing at Cineca a Dell Technologies customer. Sanzio, welcome to theCUBE. >> Thank you, it's a pleasure. >> Lisa Martin: Likewise. Nice to see you. So tell us a little bit about Cineca, this is a large computing center, but a very large Italian non-profit consortium. Tell us about it. >> Yes, Cineca has been founded 50 years ago, from the university systems in Italy to support the scientific discovery and the industry innovations using the high-performance computing, and the correlated mythologies like intelligence together with the big data processing, and the simulations. We are a corsortium, which means that is a private not-for-profit organization. Currently our member of the consortium, almost all the universities in Italy and also all the national agencies. >> Lisa Martin: And I also read that you are the top 10 out of the top 500 of the world's fastest super computers. That's a pretty big accomplishment. >> Yes. That is a part of our statutory visions in the last 10 to 15 years , we have been to say, frequent buyers in the top 10. The idea is that we're enabling the scientific discovery by mean of the providing the most advanced systems, and the co-designing the the most advanced HPC systems to promote to support the accents in science. And being part of the European high-performance computing ecosystems. >> Now, talk to me about some of the challenges that Cineca is trying to solve in particular, the human brain project. Talk to us a little bit about that and how you're leveraging high-performance computing to accelerate scientific discovery. >> The human brain project is one of the flagship projects that has been co-funded by the European Commission and the participating member states that are two different, right now , flagships together with another that is just in progress, which is the the quantum of flagship we are participating indirectly together with the National Disaster Council. And we are core partners of the HPC constructors , that is the human brain project. One billion euro of investment, co-founded by the participating states and the European Commissions. it's a project that would combine both the technology issues and the designing of a high-performance computing systems that would meet the requirements of the community. And the big scientific challenges, correlated to the physiological functions of the human brains, including different related to the behavior of the, of the human brain, either from the pathological point of view either from the physiological point of view. In order to better understand the aging user, that it would impact the, the health the public health systems, some other that are correlating with what would be the support for the physiological knowledge of the human brains. And finally computational performance, the human brain is more than Exascale systems, but with a average consumption, which is very low. We are talking about some hundred of wards of energy would provide a, an extreme and computational performance. So if we put the organizing the technology high-performance computing in terms of interconnections now we're morphing the computing systems that would represent a tremendous step in order to facing the big challenges of our base and energies, personalized medicine, climate change, food for all those kinds of big social economic challenge that we are facing. >> Which reading them, besides the human brain project, there are other projects going on, such as that you mentioned. I'd like to understand how Cineca is working with Dell Technologies. You have to translate, as you mentioned a minute ago, the scientific requirements for discovery into high-performance computing requirements. Talk to me about how you've been doing that with partners like Dell Technologies. >> In our computing architectures. We had the need to address the capability to facing the big data processing involved with respect of the Human Brain Project and generally speaking that evolved with the respect of the science-driven that would provide cloud access to the systems by means of containers technologies. And the capability also to address what will be the creation of a Federation for high performance computing facility in Europe. So at the end we manage a competitive dialogue procurement the processor, that in a certain sense would share together with the different potential technology providers, what would be the visions and also the constraints with respect to the divisions including budget constraints and at the end Dell had shown the characteristics of the solution, that it will be more, let's say compliant. And at the same time, flexible with respect of the combinations of very different constraints and requirements. >> Dell Technologies has been sounds like a pretty flexible partner because you've got so many different needs and scientific needs to meet for different researchers. Talk to me about how you mentioned that this is a multi-national effort. How does Cineca serve and work with teams not only in Italy, but in other countries and from other institutes? >> The Italian commitment together with the European member states is that by mean of scientific methods and peer review process roughly speaking of the production capacity, would be shared at the European level, that it's a commitment that has been shared together with the France, Germany, Spain, and Switzerland. Where also of course, the Italian scientists, can apply and participate, but in a sort of emulations and the advanced competition for addressing what will be the excellence in science. The remaining 50% of our production capacity is for, for the national community and in somehow to support the Italian community to be competitive on the worldwide scenario that setting up would lead also to the agreement after the international level, with respect of some of the actions that are promoted in progress in the US and in Japan also that means the sharing options with the US researchers or Japanese researchers in an open space. >> It sounds like the human brain project, which the HPC is powering, which has been around since 2013 is really facilitating global collaboration. Talk to me about some of the results that the high-performance computing environment has helped the human brain project to achieve so far. >> The main outcomes that it will be consolidated in the next phase that will be lead by Euro SPC, which is called the phoenix that stands for Federation of a high-performance computing system in Europe. That provide open service based on two concepts One is the sharing of the ID at the European level. So it means that open the access to the Cineca system to the system in France , to UNIX system in Germany, to fifth system in Switzerland, and to the diocese the marine ocean system in Spain that is federated, ID management, others, et cetera, related to what will be the Federation of data access. The scientific community may share their data in a seamless mode, the actions is being supported by genetic, has to do with the two specific target. One is the elaborations of the data that are provided by the lens, laser, laboratory facility in Florence, that is one of the core parts of garnering the data that would come from the mouse brains, the time user for caviar. And the second part is for the meso scale studies of the cortex of the brain. In some situations they combinations of performance capability of the Federation systems for addressing what would be the simulations of the overall being of the human brain would take a lot of performance that are challenging simulation periodically that they would happen combining that they HPC facility as at European level. >> Right. So I was reading there's a case study by the way, on Cineca that Dell Technologies has published. And some of the results you talked about those at the HPC is facilitating research and results on epilepsy, spinal cord injury, brain prosthesis for the blind, as well as new insights into autism. So incredibly important work that you're doing here for the human brain project. One last question for you. What advice would you give to your peers who might be in similar situations that need to, to build and deploy and maintain high-performance computing environments? Where should they start? >> There is a continuous sharing, of knowledge, experience, best practices, where the situation is different in the sense that there are, what would we be the integration of the high-performance computing technology into their production workflow. That is the sharing of the experience in order to provide a spreads and amplifications of the opportunity for supporting the innovation. That is part of our social mission in Italy, but it's also the objective. that is supported by the European Commission. >> Excellent, that sharing and that knowledge transfer and collaboration. It seems to be absolutely fundamental and the environment that you've built, facilitates that. Sanzio, thank you so much for sharing with us, what Cineca is doing and the great research that's going on there. And across a lot of disciplines. We appreciate you joining the program today. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Likewise, for Sanzio Bassini. I'm Lisa Martin. 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(upbeat music) >> Welcome to the CUBE Conversation. I'm Lisa Martin. I'm talking next with Sanzio Bassini, the Head of High Performance Computing at Cineca, at DELL technologies customer. Sanzio, welcome to the CUBE. >> Thank you, it's a pleasure, it's a pleasure. >> Likewise, nice to see you. So tell us a little bit about Cineca. This is a large computing center, but a very large Italian nonprofit consortium. Tell us about it. >> Yes, Cineca been founded 50 years ago, from the university systems in Italy. For a statutory mission, which is to support, the scientific discovery, and the industry innovations, using the High Performance Computing and the correlated methodologies like a, Artificial Intelligence, which is one of the, you see the more, in a, in a adopted in those days, but together with the big data processing and and simulation. Yes, we are a consortium, which means that this is a private not-for-profit organizations. Currently, our member of the consortium, almost all the universities in Italy and also all the national agencies for those selected structures. Uh. The main quarter of Cineca is in Bologna, which is in the heart Nation, with the bunch of presence in Milan, in Rome and in Naples, so we are a consultation organization. >> And I also read that you were, are the top 10 out of the top 500 of the world's fastest super computers. That's a pretty big accomplishment. >> Yes. That is a part of our institutional missions, the last 10 to 15 years we have been to say, frequent flyers in the top 10. There been at least two, three systems that have been ranked at the top 10. Apart, the.., whatever would be the meaning of such an advance market, there's a lot of its criticalities. We are well aware. The idea is that we're enabling the scientific discovery, by means of providing the most advanced systems and the co-designing, the most advanced HPC systems to promote and support the, what is the, excellence in science. And that being part of European high-performance computing IT system. That is the case. >> Excellent. Now, talk to me about some of the challenges that Cineca is trying to solve in particular, the Human Brain Project. Talk to us a little bit about that and how you're leveraging high-performance computing to accelerate scientific discovery. >> Um, The Human Brain Project is one of the flagship project that has been co-founded by the European commission and that the participating member states. Is not as another situations that are undertaking, it's definitely a joint collaboration between members states and the European commission. There are two different right now, flagships together with another, that is in progress, which is that the quantum of flagship, the first two flagship abroad that that has been lost. The commission for operation with the participating states has been one on the digraph vein on which also we are participating in directly together with the CNR, is the national business counselor. And the second for which we are core partners of the HPC that is, the Human Brain Project. That, that is a big flagship, one million offer, of newer investment, co-founded by the participating states and that the European commission. The project it's going to set up, in what to do be the, third strategic grant agreement that they will go over the next three years, the good, the complete that the, the whole process. Then we see what is going to happen at Africa. We thought that their would be some others progress offer these big projects. It's project that would combine both the technology issues, like the designing the off high-performance computing systems that meet the requirements of the community and the big challenge, scientific challenges correlated to the physiological functions of the human brain center, including the different farm show survey to do with the behavior of the human brain. A from the pathological point of view, from the physiological point of view, that better understand the could be the way for, for a facing that. Let's say the pathology, some of those are very much correlated with respect to aging, and that it would impact the, the health, the public health systems. Some other that are correlating with what would be the support for the physiological knowledge of the, of the human brains. And finally that they, let me say, technological transfer stuff that represented the knowing off at the physiological, behavior of the human brain. Just to use a sort of metaphor to have happen from the point of view of there computational performance, the human brain is a, a, a, more than Exoscale systems, but with a energy consumption, which is very low, we are talking about some hundreds of Watts. So some hundreds of watts of energy, would provide a an extreme and computational performance. So if would could organized the technology of the high-performance computing in terms of interconnections now we're morphing the computing systems and exploitations of that kind of technologies, in I build a system that it might provide the computational power that would represent a tremendous and tremendous step ahead, in order to facing the big challenges of our base, like energies, personalized medicine, try not to change food for all those kinds of big socioeconomic challenges that we are facing. >> Yes I was reading that besides, sorry Sanzio I was reading that besides the Human Brain Project, there are other projects going on, such as that you mentioned, I'd like to understand how Cineca is working with Dell technologies. You have to translate, as you've mentioned a minute ago, the scientific requirements for discovery into high-performance computing requirements. Talk to me about how you've been doing that with partners like Dell technologies. >> Yes, in particularly in our computing architectures, we had the need to address the capability to facing the data processing involved with backed off the Human Brain Project and general speaking that is backed off the science vendor, that would combine the capability also to provide the cloud access to the system. So by main soft containers technologies and the capability also, to address what would be the creation of a Federation. So Piper problems with people proceeded in a new world. So at the end that the requirements and the terms of reference of the would matter will decline and the terms of a system that would be capable to manage, let's say, in a holistic approach, the data processing, the cloud computing services and the opportunity before for being integrated that in a Federation of HSBC system in Europe's, and with this backed off, that kind of thing, we manage a competitive dialogue procurement processor, I think I the sentence would share together with the different potential technology providers, what would be the visuals and those are the constraints (inaudible) and those other kinds of constraints like, I don't want to say, I mean, environmental kind of constraints and uh, sharing with this back of the technology provider what would it be the vision for this solution, in a very, let's say hard, the competitive dialogue, and at the end, results in a sort of, I don't want to say Darwinian processes, okay. So I mean, the survivors in terms of the different technology providers being Dell that shown the characteristics of the solution that it will be more, let's say compliant. And at the same time are flexible with respect of the combinations of very different constraints and requirements that has been the, the process that has been the outcomes of such a process. >> I like that you mentioned that Darwinian survival of the fittest and that Dell technologies has been, it sounds like a pretty flexible partner because you've got so many different needs and scientific needs to meet for different researchers. Talk to me about how you mentioned that this is a multi-national effort. How does Cineca serve and work with teams not only in Italy, but in other countries and from other institutes? >> Definitely the volume commitment that together with the, European member states is that by means of scientific merits and the peer review process, roughly speaking the arc of the production capacity, would be shared at the European level. That it's a commitment that, that there's been, that there's been a shared of that together with France, Germany, Spain, and, and with the London. So, I mean, our, half of our production capacity, it's a share of that at the European level, where also of course the Italian scientist can apply in the participates, but in a sort of offer emulations and the advanced competition for addressing what it would be the excellence in science. The remaining 50% of our production capacity is for, for the national community and, somehow to prepare and support the Italian community to be competitive on the worldwide scenario on the European and international scenario, uh that setting up would lead also to the agreement at the international level, with respect of some of the options that, that are promoted the progress in a US and in Japan also. So from this point of view, that mean that in some cases also the, access that it would come from researchers the best collaborations and the sharing options with the US researchers their or Japanese researchers in an open space. >> Open space for, it sounds like the Human Brain Project, which the HPC is powering, which has been around since 2013 is really facilitating global collaboration. Talk to me about some of the results that the high-performance computing environment has helped the Human Brain Project to achieve so far. >> The main outcomes that it will be consolidated in the next phase that will be need the by rural SPC that is the Jared undertaking um entities, that has been created for consolidating and for progressing the high-performance computing ecosystem in Europe. It represented by the Federations of high-performance computing systems at European level, there is a, a, an option that, that has been encapsulated and the elaborated inside the human brain flagship project which is called the FEHIPCSE that stand for Federation of a High-Performance Computing System in Europe. That uh provide the open service based on the two concepts on one, one is the sharing of the Heidi at a European level, so it means that the, the high demand of the users or researchers more properly. It's unique and Universal at the European level. That didn't mean better the same, we see identity management, education management with the open, and the access to the Cineca system, to the SARS system in France, to the unique system in, uh Germany to the, Diocese system in a Switzerland, to the Morocco System in a Spain. That is the part related to what will be the federated, the ID management, the others, et cetera, related to what will be the Federation off the data access. So from the point of view, again, the scientific community, mostly the community of Human Brain Project, but that will be open at other domains and other community, make sure that data in a seamless mode after European language, from the technological point of view, or let's say from the infrastructure point of view, very strong up, from the scientific point of view, uh what they think they may not, will be the most of the options is being supported by Cineca has to do with the two specific target. One is the elaboration of the data that are provided by the lands. The laws are a laboratory facility in that Florence. That is one of the four parts, and from the bottom view of the provisions of the data that is for the scattering, the, the data that would come from the mouse brains, that are use for, for (inaudible) And then the second part is for the Mayor scale studies of the cortex of the of the human brain, and that got add-on by a couple of groups that are believing that action from a European level their group of the National Researcher Counsel the CNR, that are the two main outcome on which we are in some out reference high-performance computing facilities for supporting that kind of research. Then their is in some situations they combinations of the performance a, capability of the Federation systems for addressing what will be the simulations of the overall human brain would take a lot of performance challenge simulation with bacteria that they would happen combining that they SPC facility as at European level. >> Right! So I was reading there's a case study by the way, on Cynic that Dell technologies has published. And some of the results you talked about, those that the HPC is facilitating research and results on epilepsy, spinal cord injury, brain prostheses for the blind, as well as new insights into autism. So incredibly important work that you're doing here for the Human Brain Project. One last question Sanzio, for you, what advice would you give to your peers who might be in similar situations that need to, to build and deploy and maintain high-performance computing environments? Where should they start? >> (coughs laughs) I think that at, at a certain point, that specific know how would became sort of a know how that is been, I mean, accumulated and then by some facilities and institutions around the world. There are the, the federal labs in US, the main nation model centers in Europe, the big facilities in Japan. And of course the, the big university facilities in China that are becoming, how do you say, evident and our progressively occupied increasing the space, that to say that that is somehow it, that, that, that the, those institutions would continues collaborate and sharing that there are periods I would expect off what to do, be the top level systems. Then there is a continuous sharing of uh knowledge, the experience best practices with respect off, let's say the technologies transfers towards productions and services and boosterism. Where the situation is big parenta, in the sense that, their are focused what it would be, uh the integration of the high-performance computing technology into their production workflow. And from the point of view, there is the sharing of the experience in order to provide the, a sort of, let's say, spreads and amplifications of the opportunity for supporting innovation. That is part of are solution means, in a Italy but it also, eh, er sort of um, see objective, that is addressed by the European options er supported by the European commission. I think that that sort of (inaudible) supply that in US, the, that will be coming there, sort of you see the max practice for the technology transfer to support the innovation. >> Excellent, that sharing and that knowledge transfer and collaboration. It seems to be absolutely fundamental and the environment that you've built, facilitates that. Sanzio thank you so much for sharing with us, what Cineca is doing and the great research that's going on there, and across a lot of disciplines, we appreciate you joining the program today. Thank you. >> Thank you, it's been a pleasure, thank you very much for the opportunity. >> Likewise, for Sanzio Bassini. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching this cube conversation. (calming music)