>> From the SiliconANGLE media office, in Boston, Massachusetts, it's the CUBE. Now, here's your host, Stu Miniman. Hi, CUBE nation, I'm Sam Kahane. Thanks for watching the CUBE. Due to popular demand from the community, I will be interviewing the legendary Stu Miniman, here today. He is S-T-U on Twitter. Stu and I are going to be digging in to the 2019 predictions, and also recapping 2018 for you here. So, Stu, let's get into it a little bit. 2018, can you set the stage? How many events did you go to? How many interviews did you conduct? >> Boy, Sam, it's tough to look back. We did so much with the CUBE this year. I, personally, did over 20 shows, and somewhere between 400 and 450 interviews, out of, we as a team did over a 100 shows, over 2000 interviews. So, really great to be in the community, and immerse ourselves, drink from the fire hose, and some of the data. (laughs) >> So, over 400 interviews this year, that's amazing. What about some of the key learnings from 2018? Yeah, Sam,my premise when I'm going out is, how are we maturing? My background, as you know, Sam, I'm an infrastructure guy. My early training was in networking. I worked on virtualization, and I've been riding this wave of cloud for about the last 10 years. So, about two years ago, it was, software companies, how are they living in these public clouds? Amazon, of course, the dominant player in the marketplace, but we know it will be a multi-cloud world. And the update, for 2018, is we've gone from, how do I live in those public clouds, to how are we maturing? We call it hybrid clouds, or multi-cloud, but living between these worlds. We saw the rise in Kubernetes, as a piece of it, but customers have lots of environments, and how they get their arms around that, is a serious challenge out there, today. So, how are the suppliers and communities, and the systems integration, helping customers with this really challenging new environment, that we have today. >> I'd love to hear any OMG moments from you. What surprised you the most this year? >> It's interesting, when I wanna think about some of the big moves in the industry, I mean, we had the largest software acquisition in tech history. IBM, the company you used to work for, Sam, buying Red Hat, a company I've worked with, for about 20 years, for 34 billion dollars. I mean, Red Hat has been the poster child for open source, and the exemplar of that. It was something that was like, wow, this is a big deal. We've been talking for a long time, how important developers are, and how important open source is, and there's nothing like seeing Big Blue, a 107-year-old company, putting in huge dollars, to really, not just validate, cause IBM's been working in open source, working with Linux for a long time, but how important this is to the future. And that sits right at that core of that multi-cloud world. Red Hat wants to position itself to live in a lot of those environments, not just for Linux, but the Middleware, Kubernetes is a big play. We saw a number of acquisitions in the space there. Red Hat bought CoreOS for $250 million. VMware bought Heptio, and was kind of surprised, at the sticker shock, $550 million. Great team, we know the Heptio team well. We talked to them, some of the core people, back when they were at Google. But, some big dollars are being thrown around, in this space, and, as you said, the big one in the world is Amazon. One of the stories that everybody tracked all year was the whole hq2 thing. It kind of struck me as funny, as Amazon is in Seattle. I actually got to visit Seattle, for the first time, this year, and somebody told me, if you look at the top 50 companies that have employees in Seattle, of course, Amazon is number one, but you need to take number two through 43, and add them together, to make them as big as Amazon. Here in Boston, there's a new facility going up, with 5,000 employees. I know they're going to have 25,000 in Long Island City, right in the Queens, in New York City, as well as Crystal City, right outside of DC, 25,000. But, the realization is that, of course, Amazon's going to have data centers, in pretty much every country, and they're going to have employees all around the world. This doesn't just stay to the US, but Amazon, overall. So, Amazon, just a massive employer. I know so many people who have joined them. (laughs) Some that have left them. But, almost everything that I talk about, tends to come back to Amazon, and what there are doing, or how people are trying to compete, or live in that ecosystem. >> You're always talking to the community. What are some of the hottest topics you're hearing out there? >> So, living in this new world, how are we dealing with developers? A story that I really liked, my networking background, the Cisco DevNet team, led by Suzie Wee, is a really phenomenal example, and one of my favorite interviews of the year. I actually got to talk to Suzie twice this year. We've known her for many years. She got promoted to be a Senior Vice President, which is a great validation, but what she built is a community from the ground up. It took about four years to build this platform, and it's not about, "Oh, we have some products, and developers love it.", but it's the marketplace that they live in, really do have builders there. It's the most exciting piece of what's happening at Cisco. My first show for 2019 will be back at Cisco, live in Barcelona, and Cisco going through this massive transformation, to be the dominant networking company. When they talk about their future, it is as a software company. That actually, it blew my mind, Sam. You know, Cisco is the networking company. When they say, "When you think of us, "five to ten years from now, "you won't think of us as a networking company. "You'll think of us as a software company." That's massive. They were one of the four horsemen of the internet era. And, if Cisco is making that change, everything changes. IBM, people said if they don't make this move for Red Hat, is there danger in the future? So, everything is changing so fast, it is one of the things that everybody tries to sort out and deal with. I've got some thoughts on that, which I'm sure we'll get to later on. >> (laughs) As is Suzie Wee one of your top interviews of 2018, could you give your top three interviews? >> First of all, my favorite, Sam, is always when I get to talk to the practitioners. A few of the practitioners I love talking to, at the Nutanix show in New Orleans this year, I talked to Vijay Luthra, with Northern Trust. My co-host of the show was Keith Townsend. Keith, Chicago guy, said, "Northern Trust is one "of the most conservative financial companies", and they are all-in on containerization, modernized their application. It is great to see a financial company that is driving that kind of change. That's kind of a theme I think you'll see, Sam. Another, one, was actually funny enough, Another Nutanix show, at London, had the Manchester City Council. So, the government, what they're doing, how they're driving change, what they're doing with their digital transformation, how they're thinking of IOT. Some of my favorite interviews I've done the last few years, have been in the government, because you don't think of government as innovating, but, they're usually resource-constrained. They have a lot of constituencies, and therefore, they need to do this. The Amazon public sector show was super-impressive. Everything from, I interviewed a person from the White House Historical Society. They brought on Jackie O's original guidebook, of being able to tour the White House. So, some really cool human interest, but it's all a digital platform on Amazon. What Amazon is doing in all of the industry-specific areas, is really impressive. Some of these smaller shows that we've done, are super-impressive. Another small show, that really impressed me, is UiPath, robotic process automation, or RPA, been called the gateway drug to AI, really phenomenal. I've got some background in operations, and one of the users on the program was talking about how you could get that process to somewhere around 97 to 98% compliance, and standardize, but when they put in RPA, they get it to a full six sigma, which is like 99.999%, and usually, that's something that just humans can't do. They can't just take the variation out of a process, with people involved. And, this has been the promise of automation, and it's a theme. One of my favorite questions, this year, has been, we've been talking about things like automation, and intelligence in systems, for decades, but, now, with the advent of AI machine learning, we can argue whether these things are actually artificial intelligence, in what they are learning, but the programming and learning models, that can be set up and trained, and what they can do on their own, are super-impressive, and really poised to take the industry to the next level. >> So, I wanna fast forward to 2019, but before we do so, anything else that people need to know about 2018? >> 2018, Sam, it's this hybrid multi-cloud world. The relationship that I think we spend the most time talking about, is we talked a lot about Amazon, but, VMware. VMware now has over 600,000 customers, and that partnership with VMware is really interesting. The warning, of course, is that Amazon is learning a lot from Vmware, When we joke with my friends, we say, "Okay, you've learned a lot from them means that "maybe I don't need them in the long term." But in the short term, great move for VMware, where they've solidified their position with customers. Customers feel happy as to where they live, in that multi-cloud environment, and I guess we throw out these terms like hybrid, and multi, and things like that, but when I talk to users, they're just figuring out their digital transformation. They're worried about their business. Yes, they're doing cloud, so sassify what you can, put in the public cloud what makes sense, and modernize. Beware of lift and shift, it's really not the answer. It could be a piece of the overall puzzle, to be able to modernize and pull things apart. An area, I always try to keep ahead of what the next bleeding-edge thing is, Sam. A thing I've been looking at, deeply, the last two years, has been serverless. Serverless is phenomenal. It could just disrupt everything we're talking about, and, Amazon, of course, has the lead there. So, it was kind of an undercurrent discussion at the KubeCon Show, that we were just at. Final thing, things are changing all the time, Sam, and it is impossible for anybody to keep up on all of it. I get the chance to talk to some of the most brilliant people, at some of the most amazing companies, and even those, you know, the PhD's, the people inventing stuff, they're like, "I can't keep up with what's going on at my company, "let alone what's going on in the industry." So, that's the wrong thing. Of course, one of the things we helped to do, is to extract the signal from the noise, help people distill that. We put it into video, we put it into articles, we put it into podcasts, to help you understand some of the basics, and where you might wanna go to learn more. So, we're all swimming in this. You know, the only constant, Sam, in the industry is change. >> Absolutely. (laughing in unison) >> So, things are changing. The whole landscape, as you said, is changing. Going into 2019, what should people expect? Any predictions from you? Any big mergers and acquisitions you might see? >> It's amazing, Sam. The analogy I always use is, when you have the hundred year flood, you always say, "Oh gosh, we got through it, "and we should be okay." No, no, no, the concern is, if you have the hundred year flood, or the big earthquake, the chances are that you're going to have maybe something of the same magnitude, might even be more or less, but rather soon. A couple of years ago, Dell bought EMC, largest acquisition in tech history. We spent a lot of time analyzing it. By the way, Dell's gonna go public, December 28. Interesting move, billions of dollars. As Larry Ellison said, "Michael Dell, "he's no dummy when it comes to money.' He is going to make, personally, billions of dollars off of this transaction, and, overall, looks good for the Dell technologies family, as they're doing. So, that acquisition, the Red Hat acquisition, yeah, we're probably gonna see a 10-to-20 billion dollar acquisition this year. I'm not sure who it is. There's a lot of tech IPOs on the horizon. The data protection space is one that we've kept a close eye on. From what I hear, Zeam, who does over a billion dollars a year, not looking to go public. Rubrik, on the other hand, somewhere in the north of 200 million dollars worth of revenue, I kind of remember 200, 250 in run rate, right now, likely going to go public in 2019. Could somebody sweep in, and buy them before they go public? Absolutely. Now, I don't think Rubrik's looking to be acquired. In that space, you've got Rubrik, you've got Cohesity, you've got a whole lot of players, that it has been a little bit frothy, I guess you'd say. But, customers are looking for a change in how they're doing things, because their environments are changing. They've got lots of stuff in sass, gotta protect that data. They've got things all over the cloud, and that data issue is core. When we actually did our predictions for 2018, data was at the center of everything, when I talked about Wikibon. It was just talking to Peter Burris and David Floyer, and they said there is some hesitancy in the enterprise, like, I'm using Salesforce, I'm using Workday I'm using ServiceNow. We hear all the things about Facebook giving my data away, Google, maybe the wrong people own data, there's that concern I want to pull things back. I always bristle a little bit, when you talk about things like repatriation, and "I'm not gonna trust the cloud." Look, the public clouds are more secure, than my data centers are in general, and they're changing and updating much faster. One of the biggest things we have, in IT, is that I put something in, and making changes is tough. Change, as we said, is the only thing constant. It was something I wrote about. Red Hat, actually, is a company that has dealt with a lot of change. Anybody that sells anything with Linux, or Kubernetes, there are so many changes happening, on not only weekly, but a daily basis, that they help bring a little bit of order, and adult supervision, to what most people would say is chaos out there. That's the kind of thing we need more in the industry, is I need to be able to manage that change. A line I've used many times is, you don't go into a company and say, "Hey, what version of Azure are you running?" You're running whatever Microsoft says is the latest and greatest. You don't have to worry about Patch Tuesday, or 08. I've got that things that's gonna slow down my system for awhile. Microsoft needs to make that invisible to me. They do make that thing invisible to me. So does Amazon, so does Google. >> What's your number one company to watch, this upcoming year. Is it Amazon, Sam? Look, Amazon is the company at the center of it all. Their ecosystem is amazing. While Amazon adds more in revenue, than the number two infrastructure player does in revenue. So, look, in the cloud space, it is not only Amazon's world. There definitely is a multi-cloud world. I went to the Microsoft show for the first time, this year, and Microsoft's super-impressive. They focus on your business applications, and their customers love it. Office 365 really helped move everybody towards sass, in a big way, and it's a big service industry. Microsoft's been a phenomenal turnaround story, the last couple of years. Definitely want to dig in more with that ecosystem, in 2019 and beyond. But, Amazon, you know, we could do more shows of the CUBE, in 2019, than we did our first couple of years. They have, of course, Amazon re:Invent, our biggest show of the year, but their second year, it's about 20 shows, that they do, and we're increasing those. I've been to the New York City Summit, and the San Francisco Summit. I've already mentioned their Public Sector Summit. Really, really, really good ecosystems, phenomenal users, and I already told you how I feel about talking to users. It's great to hear what they're doing, and those customers are moving things around. Google, love doing the Google show. We'll be back there in April. Diane Greene is one of the big guests of the year, for us this year. I was sorry to miss it in person, 'cause I actually have some background. I worked with Diane. Back before EMC bought VMware. I had the pleasure of working with Vmware, when they were, like, a hundred person company. Sam, one of the things, I look back at my career, and I'm still a little bit agog. I mean, I was in my mid-20s, working in this little company, of about 100 people, signed an NDA, started working with them, and that's VMware, with 600,000 customers. I've watched their ascendancy. It's been one of the pleasures of my career. There's small ones, heck. Nutanix I've mentioned a couple of times. I started working them when they were real small. They have over a billion in revenue. New Cure, since the early days. Some companies have done really well. The cloud is really the center of gravity of what I watch. Edge computing we got into a bit. I'm surprised we got almost 20 minutes into this conversation, without mentioning it. That, the whole IOT space, and edge computing, really interesting. We did a fun show with PTC, here in Boston. Got to talk to the father of AI, the father of virtual reality. It's like all these technologies, many of which have been bouncing around for a couple of decades. How are they gonna become real? We've got a fun virtual reality place right next door. The guy running the cameras for us is a huge VR enthusiast. How much will those take the next step? And, how much are things stalling out? I worry, was having conversations. Autonomous vehicles, we're even looking at the space. Been talking about it. Will it really start to accelerate? Or have we hit road blocks, and it's gonna get delayed. Some of these are technologies, some of these are policies in place, in governments and the like, and that's still one of the things that slows down crowded options. You know, GDPR was the big discussion, leading into the beginning of 2018. Now, we barely talk about it. There's more regulations coming, in California and the like, but we do need to worry about some of those macro-economical and political things that sometimes get in the way, of some of the technology pieces. >> I'd love to put something out into the universe, here. If you could interview anyone in the world, who would it be? Let's see if we can make it happen. It's amazing to me, Sam, some of the interviews we've done. I got a one-on-one with Michael Dell this year. It was phenomenal, Michael was one. It took us about three or four years before we got Michael on the program, the first time. Now, we have him two or three times a year. Really, to get to talk to him. There is the founder culture John Furrier always talks about. Some of these founders are very different. Michael, amazing, got to speak to him a couple of times. There's something that makes him special, and there's a reason why he's a billionaire, and he's done very well for himself. So, that was one. Furrier also interviewed John Chambers, who is one of the big gets I was looking at. I was jealous that I wasn't able to get there. I got to interview one of my favorite authors this year, Walter Isaacson, at the shows. When I look at, Elon Musk, of course, as a technologist, is, I'm amazed. I read his bio, I've heard some phenomenal interviews with him. Kara Swisher did a phenomenal sit-down on her podcast with him. Even the 60 Minutes interview was decent this year. >> The Joe Rogan one was great >> Yeah, so, you'd want to be able to sit down. I wouldn't expect Elon to be a 15-minute, rapid-fire conversation, like we usually have. But, we do some longer forms, sit down. So he would be one. Andrew Jassy, we've interviewed a number of times now. Phenomenal. We've got to get Bezos on the program. Some of the big tech players out there. Look, Larry Ellison's another one that we haven't had on the program. We've had Mark Hurd on the program, We've had lots of the Oracle executives. Oracle's one that you don't count out. They still have so many customers, and have strong power in new issues, So there are some big names. I do love some of the authors, that we've had on the program, some thought leaders in the space. Every time we go to a show, it's like, I was a little disappointed I didn't get to interview Jane Goodall, when she was at a show. Things like that. So, we ask, and never know when you can get 'em. A lot of times, it's individual stories of the users, which are phenomenal, and there's just thousands of good stories. That's why we go to some small shows, and make sure we always have some editorial coverage. So that, if their customers are comfortable sharing their story, that's the foundation our research was founded on. Peers sharing with their peers. Some of the most powerful stories of change, and taking advantage of new technologies, and really transforming, not just business, but health care and finance, and government. There's so much opportunity for innovation, and drivers in the marketplace today. >> Stu, I love it. Thanks for wrapping up 2018 for us, and giving us the predictions. CUBE nation, you heard it here. We gotta get Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Larry Ellison on the CUBE this year. We could use your help. Stu, thank you, and CUBE nation, thank you for watching. (electronic techno music)

>> Narrator: Live from Las Vegas, it's the CUBE. Covering AWS re:Invent 2017, presented by AWS, Intel, and our ecosystem of partners. (the CUBE theme music) >> Hey, welcome back everyone. Here live in Las Vegas, the CUBE's coverage of Amazon re:Invent. It's 45,000 people, lot of action. Again, three days of wall-to-wall coverage. This is day two, trying not to lose my voice. I'm here with Justin Warren, my cohost this week, along with Stu Miniman, Keith Townsend, and a variety of other great, great hosts for the CUBE. Doing our share to get that data to you. Our next guest is Kalyan Ramanathan, who's the vice president in product market at SumoLogic, but also the author with a group of people from SumoLogic on a great report that they have out called Modern Applications in the Cloud, and he came and he took some time to come from his meetings to come on the CUBE to talk about it. Because we've been riffing on what is a modern application? What is a modern cloud? You know that Justin and I were talking about this renaissance in software development. Obviously, the cloud wars are happening. The water's being pulled out, that tsunami's coming. It's changing the face of startups, IT, and developers at the heart of the action, a new cultural renaissance. Welcome to the CUBE. >> Thank you very much. >> So, a little editorializing there, an opining. But we believe that we are seeing a C change, a renaissance in software. Because the things that are now possible, the creativity, the power of developers, the end-to-end visibility into services is just like putting a PowerPoint slide together, or LEGO blocks. It's just like, it's so easy, not. But I mean, it could be easy, it's easier. >> Kalyan: Absolutely. >> So modern applications are top of our mind, so everyone wants to be modern. They wanna be hip, they wanna be cool. But there's some serious work getting done right now in the cloud. And there's a shift of greatness coming. What does your report show? Because we wanna dig into it. What the hell is a modern application? Is Oracle a modern application? Do I buy Watson at IBM? I see that on TV a lot. What is a modern application? >> Yeah let me, thank you John. So let me start with a quick introduction about SumoLogic, so that I can set a context about this modern application report. So SumoLogic is a cloud-native machine data analytics service, and what we do is to help our customers manage the operations and security of their mission-critical applications, right? The end goal to our customers is that now they can deliver an application with very good security posture and with exceptionally good customer experience. Now, we've been in AWS for about seven years. We have about 1,600 customers under management today. So what we've been able to do in this modern application report is to fundamentally mine data from our customers in a very anonymous way and give insight into what typically makes up a modern application in the cloud, right? And when we talk about a modern application, and I typically see three characteristics to these modern applications. First and foremost, many of these applications are indeed architected or perhaps I should say even re-architected in public cloud environments like AWS or Azure or Google Cloud Platform. Secondly, many of these applications are built using DevOps and Agile-style practices, so the rate and speed of change in this application is completely off the charts. The third thing that we are starting to see a lot more of is that many of these applications are built using Microservices-style technology, so it's very easy to compose these applications. You can put them together very easily, you can make changes to these applications a lot. So that's our typical definition of a modern application. >> Okay, well, we heard Andrew Jassy, I think, one or two days ago, was talking about if I started AWS again from scratch, today I would be using serverless. So I wouldn't be deploying virtual machines, I wouldn't actually be using a lot of the AWS services that we have today. So what are you seeing in the momentum for how developers are using the different types of stack. We're seeing a lot of growth in NoSQL, we're seeing a lot of growth in serverless functions. If I were starting a modern application today, what would my stack look like? >> Yeah, I mean, that's at the heart of the report that we put together, right? The report actually provides an end-to-end application stack, starting all the way from the infrastructure layer to the applications and even perhaps the management and the security technologies that you may need to manage these modern applications well. So let's start off with the infrastructure layer, right? So what SumoLogic has identified in, anonymously again, mining our customer data is that, you know, on the infrastructure side, Linux rules. As a operating system, goes without saying, Linux is the dominant operating system in AWS and that is to be understood. But here's the other interesting data point. Linux is also getting significant foothold in the Azure world. And that is not commonplace knowledge today, right? I mean, you would expect that Windows is ruling the Azure world, but we are actually starting to see dramatic year over year growth in terms of Linux within the Azure world. Now, let's move up the stack, right? Let's go from the host and the operating system now to the container world. What we are starting to see is dramatic growth in container adoption within AWS. Last year, when we put out the first version of this report, we saw that 18% of our customers are using Docker within AWS. This year, we are seeing that one in four customers are actually using Docker within their environment. >> Node.js, we saw a New Relic kind of report too. They laid out a little bit different instrumentation of it, with what languages. Python and Node.js, certainly Node.js, really awesome for the cloud and you're seeing that continue to be great. How does that gonna fit into Azure, for instance? What are they doing in their clients? So we were talking about Azure, right? So you look at their numbers, right? Azure versus AWS OS adoption. Okay, Linux is moving up because they made that announcement. But people have been looking at Azure and confused by the Azure stack. It's almost like a black box. Here, Amazon lays it out very cleanly. How is the Azure stack piece impacted? >> Yeah I mean, Microsoft, they've historically been a much more of a closed ecosystem. But I think in the Azure world, we are definitely starting to see Microsoft open the kimono, in some sense, and start to adopt, not just opensource technologies, but also technologies that are not very core to the Microsoft stack itself. A lot of our customers who are using us in Azure today, are, as I mentioned, they're using Linux in a fairly significant way. We are also starting to see Azure functions being used in a significant way. In terms of the entire application stack, again, Azure has, while they are behind AWS in terms of the number of services, the richness of the services, we are starting to see them catch up in a very significant way. >> All right, here's a Here's a pointed question for you, it's a tough question, okay? Maybe tough to answer, maybe you know the answer. A lot of people will try to fake it until they make it. And you've heard that term around. You really can't fake being a modern application, so what do you see as ones that aren't making it, in terms of architecture and stacks? Maybe it's Legacy trying to bolt on a little bit of glam front end, Javascript, or Node. Where's the failure, or having one relational database, maybe Oracle and trying to blend that in? Is there a formula that you see that's not working? >> You know, I think the act of just putting on a shim around a Legacy technology and calling that modern, I think what we are starting to see more and more of, is that that can take you so far, but only so far, right? The underlying infrastructure technologies of today, especially containers and you guys heard Andy Jassy talk about Kubernetes today at his keynote. There are such technology advances that are so core to the architecture of the modern app that if you choose not to implement them and if you just put, in some sense, a lipstick on a pig and a tiny little shim on top of a Legacy application, >> Sprinkle a little bit of glitter on things, yeah. >> You're, can you get away with it for a year or so? Absolutely, but then you're talking about, you know, dealing with extreme scalability, high elasticity, security of the kind that is needed for most enterprises. That's where the Legacy technology and just a sprinkling of dust, as you described it, is going to fall apart. >> I love the top two data, two of the three top datas are NoSQL. Interesting you got MySQL, Redis, Mongo and PostgreSQL, and then Cassandra and then Redshift. Redis, really kicking ass at number two. >> Kalyan: Absolutely. That's surprising. I always loved Redis but that's moving up. That's ahead of Mongo. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Redis has a huge following. It's a in-memory database, as you know. It also has a lot of shades of NoSQL. >> John: It's flexible. >> It's very flexible, absolutely. So I mean, the interesting data point in the database analysis that we did was that in the cloud world, NoSQL and SQL are pretty much head-to-head, right? So, I mean the way we think about it is, when you are re-architecting your applications to the cloud, it really gives you the opportunity to step back and say, what do I do with my data store? Does it have to be the Oracle of the past? Can I re-architect it for something that's more optimized for what I'm trying to do now? And that's where, I think NoSQL has really caught on. >> We, you know Justin, we were talking yesterday, and then Andy's keynote. I had one-on-one with him a week ago. It's good, some of my content made it into his keynote, because one of the things I've been banging on we talked about yesterday was, these modern databases, modern apps, could have multiple databases. And you, look at Redis, there's different use cases. DynamoDB is slow on lookups, I might wanna have a queue there. I might wanna tie it with Redis and a little bit of architectural shape. It's a whole new normal, it's not a one trick pony. >> Yeah, and Redis is really popular in the Kubernetes community, I know. So as we see Kubernetes growing, then I expect that the Redis growth will also follow that. >> The question is, this is what I've put, and he put inside his keynote was, the new modern app can have multiple databases. This is gonna have a huge impact. How does that impact this report? What do you see, because now it kinda changes the game? It's not one, I can't just throw MySQL at it, or Mongo. Used to be the old days, LAMP stack and say, okay, Mongo's awesome, I'm gonna build my app, but now I gotta integrate it with another app. >> Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, we're seeing heterogeneity across the board, right? And that is part of the goal of a report like this, too. Right, I mean, we put this report out mostly focused on cloud architects, DevOps engineers, SRE engineers who are rethinking what it takes to run an application in the cloud, may it be AWS, Azure, et cetera. And we wanted to provide them a roadmap of what are their peers doing in this world. >> Well, we really appreciate you and SumoLogic doing a report. New Relic has one. We love these kind of reports and when they're this good, we like to talk about them. I know you're being really nice and you don't wanna lose customers by pissing off other cloud guys, because you're in Switzerland, you play with all of them. But there's really some interesting data here that points to who's leading and who's not, and then the stacks do matter. The developers are influencing IT decisions now. So knowing the stack, knowing your stack, what works for developers, super important. We're gonna keep track of it. We'll certainly invite you into our powwow out at the studios to do some check-ins on the report. Maybe do a deeper dive, appreciate it. >> Yeah, and all I'll say is this report is available on our website. It's, you know, you don't have to register, you get it. >> John: Free. Yeah, it's free. >> They don't even ask for an email address, which is great. (laughter) So thanks so much for SumoLogic. Thanks for coming on the CUBE and breaking down the report. More live coverage here from Las Vegas, from Amazon re:Invent, I'm John Furrier with Justin Warren. We'll be right back with more after this short break. (the CUBE theme music)