(light music) (airy white noise rumbling) >> Hey everyone, welcome back to Las Vegas. It's theCUBE. We're here, day four of our coverage of AWS re:Invent 22. There's been about, we've heard, north of 55,000 folks here in person. We're seeing only a fraction of that but it's packed in the expo center. We're at the Venetian Expo, Lisa Martin, Dave Vellante. Dave, we've had such great conversations as we always do on theCUBE. With the AWS ecosystem, we're going to be talking with another partner on that ecosystem and what they're doing to innovate together next. >> Well, we know security is the number one topic on IT practitioners, mine, CIOs, CISOs. We also know that they don't have the bench strength, that's why they look to manage service providers, manage service security providers. It's a growing topic, we've talked about it. We talked about it at re:Inforce earlier this year. I think it was July, actually, and August, believe it or not, not everybody was at the Cape. It was pretty well attended conference and that's their security focus conference, exclusive on security. But there's a lot of security here too. >> Lot of security, we're going to be talking about that next. We have two guests from Capgemini joining us. Mike Wasielewski, the head of cloud security, and NextGen secure architectures, welcome Mike. Anne Saunders also joins us, the Director of Cybersecurity Technology Partnerships at Capgemini, welcome Anne. >> Thank you. >> Dave: Hey guys. >> So, day four of the show, how you feeling? >> Anne: Pretty good. >> Mike: It's a long show. >> It is a long, and it's still jamming in here. Normally on the last day, it dwindles down. Not here. >> No, the foot traffic around the booth and around the totality of this expo floor has been amazing, I think. >> It really has. Anne, I want to start with you. Capgemini making some moves in the waves in the cloud and cloud security spaces. Talk to us about what Cap's got going on there. >> Well, we actually have a variety of things going on. Very much partner driven. The SOC Essentials offering that Mike's going to talk about shortly is the kind of the starter offer where we're going to build from and build out from. SOC Essentials is definitely critical for establishing that foundation. A lot of good stuff coming along with partners. Since I manage the partners, I'm kind of keen on who we get involved with and how we work with them to build out value and focus on our overall cloud security strategy. Mike, you want to talk about SOC Essentials? >> Yeah, well, no, I mean, I think at Capgemini, we really say cybersecurity is part of our DNA and so as we look at what we do in the cloud, you'll find that security has always been an underpinning to a lot of what we deliver, whether it's on the DevSecOps services, migration services, stuff like that. But what we're really trying to do is be intentional about how we approach the security piece of the cloud in different ways, right? Traditional infrastructure, you mentioned the totality of security vendors here and at re:Inforce. We're really seeing that you have to approach it differently. So we're bringing together the right partners. We're using what's part of our DNA to really be able to drive the next generation of security inside those clouds for our clients and customers. So as Anne was talking about, we have a new service called the Capgemini Cloud SOC Essentials, and we've really brought our partners to bear, in this case Trend Micro, really bringing a lot of their intelligence and building off of what they do so that we can help customers. Services can be pretty expensive, right, when you go for the high end, or if you have to try to run one yourself, there's a lot of time, I think you mentioned earlier, right, the people's benches. It's really hard to have a really good cybersecurity people in those smaller businesses. So what we're trying to do is we're really trying to help companies, whether you're the really big buyers of the world or some of the smaller ones, right? We want to be able to give you the visibility and ability to deliver to your customers securely. So that's how we're approaching security now and we're cloud SOC Essentials, the new thing that we're announcing while we were here is really driving out of. >> When I came out of re:Invent, when you do these events, you get this Kool-Aid injection and after a while you're like hm, what did I learn? And one of the things that struck me in talking to people is you've got the shared responsibility model that the cloud has sort of created and I know there's complexities across cloud but let's just keep it at cloud generically for a moment. And then you've got the CISO, the AppDev, AppSecDev group is being asked to do a lot. They're kind of being dragged into security that's really not their wheelhouse and then you've got audit which is like the last line of defense. And so one of the things that struck me at re:Inforce is like, okay, Amazon, great job for their portion of the shared responsibility model but I didn't hear a lot in terms of making the CISO's life easier and I'm guessing that's where you guys come in. I wonder if you could talk about that trend, that conceptual layers that I just laid out and where you guys fit. >> Mike: Sure, so I think first and foremost, I always go back to a quote from, I think it's attributed to Peter Drucker, whether that's right or wrong, who knows? But culture eats strategy for breakfast, right? And I think what we've seen in our conversations with whether you're talking to the CISO, the application team, the AppDev team, wherever throughout the organization, we really see that culture is what's going to drive success or failure of security in the org, and so what we do is we really do bring that totality of perspective. We're not just cloud, not just security, not just AppDev. We can really bring across the totality of the Capgemini estate. So that when we go, and you're right, a CISO says, I'm having a hard time getting the app people to deliver what I need. If you just come from a security perspective, you're right, that's what's going to happen. So what we try to do is so, we've got a great DevSecOps service, for example in the cloud where we do that. We bring all the perspectives together, how do we align KPIs? That's a big problem, I think, for what you're seeing, making CISO's lives easier, is about making sure that the app team KPIs are aligned with the CISO's but also the CISO's KPIs are aligned with the app teams. And by doing that, we have had really great success in a number of organizations by giving them the tools then and the people on our side to be able to make those alignments at the business level, to drive the right business outcome, to drive the right security outcome, the right application outcome. That's where I think we've really come to play. >> Absolutely, and I will say from a partnering perspective, what's key in supporting that strategy is we will learn from our partners, we lean on our partners to understand what the trends they're seeing and where they're having an impact with regards to supporting the CISO and supporting the overall security strategy within a company. I mean, they're on the cutting edge. We do a lot to track their technology roadmaps. We do a lot to track how they build their buyer personas and what issues they're dealing with and what issues they're prepared to deal with regards to where they're investing and who's investing in them. A lot of strategy around which partner to bring in and support, how we're going to address the challenges, the CISO and the IT teams are having to kind of support that overall. Security is a part of everything, DNA kind of strategy. >> Yeah, do you have a favorite example, Anne, of a partner that came in with Capgemini, helped a customer really be able to do what Capgemini is doing and that is, have cybersecurity be actually part of their DNA when there's so many challenges, the skills gap. Any favorite example that really you think articulates how you're able to enable organizations to achieve just that? >> Anne: Well, actually the SOC Essentials offering that we're rolling out is a prime example of that. I mean, we work very, very closely with Trend on all fronts with regards to developing it. It's one of those completely collaborative from day one to going to the customer and that it's almost that seamless connectivity and just partnering at such a strategic level is a great example of how it's done right, and when it's done right, how successful it can be. >> Dave: Why Trend Micro? Because I mean, I'm sure you've seen, I think that's Optiv, has the eye test with all the tools and you talk to CISOs, they're like really trying to consolidate those tools. So I presume there's a portfolio play there, but tell us, tell the audience a little bit more about why Trend Micro and I mean your branding with them, why those guys? >> Well, it goes towards the technology, of course, and all the development they've done and their position within AWS and how they address assuring security for our clients who are moving onto and running their estates on AWS. There's such a long heritage with regards to their technology platform and what they've developed, that deep experience, that kind of the strength of the technology because of the longevity they've had and where they sit within their domain. I try to call partners out by their domain and their area of expertise is part of the reason, I mean. >> Yeah, I think another big part of it is Gartner is expecting, I think they published this out in the next three years, we expect to see another consolidation both inside of the enterprises as well as, I look back a couple years, when Palo Alto went on a very nice spending spree, right? And put together a lot of really great companies that built their Prisma platform. So what I think one of the reasons we picked Trend in this particular case is as we look forward for our customers and our clients, not just having point solutions, right? This isn't just about endpoint protection, this isn't just about security posture management. This is really who can take the totality of the customer's problems and deliver on the right outcomes from a single platform, and so when we look at companies like Trend, like Palo, some of the bigger partners for us, that's where we try to focus. They're definitely best in breed and we bring those to our customers too for certain things. But as we look to the future, I think really finding those partners that are going to be able to solve a swath of problems at the right price point for their customers, that is where I think we see the industry moving. >> Dave: And maybe be around as an independent company. Was that a factor as well? I mean, you see Thoma Bravo buying up all his hiring companies and right, so, and maybe they're trying to create something that could be competitive, but you're saying Trend Micros there, so. >> Well I think as Anne mentioned, the 30 year heritage, I think, of Trend Micro really driving this and I've done work with them in various past things. There's also a big part of just the people you like, the people that are good to work with, that are really trying to be customer obsessed, going back right, at an AWS event, the ones that get the cloud tend to be able to follow those Amazon LPs as well, right, just kind of naturally, and so I think when you look at the Trend Micros of the world, that's where that kind of cloud native piece comes out and I like working with that. >> In this environment, the macro environment, lets talk a bit, earning season, it's really mixed. I mean you're seeing some really good earnings, some mixed earnings, some good earnings with cautious guidance. So nobody really (indistinct), and it was for a period time there was a thinking that security was non-discretionary and it's clearly non-discretionary, but the CISO, she or he, doesn't have unlimited budgets, right? So what are you seeing in terms of how are customers dealing with this challenging macro environment? Is it through tools consolidation? Is that a play that's going on? What are you seeing in the customer base? >> Anne: I see ways, and we're working through this right now where we're actually weaving cybersecurity in at the very beginning of how we're designing offers across our entire offer portfolio, not just the cybersecurity business. So taking that approach in the long run will help contain costs and our hope, and we're already seeing it, is it's actually helping change the perception that security's that cost center and that final obstacle you have to get over and it's going to throw your margins off and all that sort of stuff. >> Dave: I like that, its at least is like a security cover charge. You're not getting in unless we do the security thing. >> Exactly, a security cover charge, that's what you should call it. >> Yeah. >> Like it. >> Another piece though, you mentioned earlier about making CISO's life easier, right? And I think, as Anne did a really absolutely true about building it in, not to the security stack but application developers, they want visibility they want observability, they want to do it right. They want CI/CD pipeline that can give them confidence in their security. So should the CISO have a budget issue, right? And they can't necessarily afford, but the application team as they're looking at what products they want to purchase, can I get a SaaS or a DaaS, right? The static or dynamic application security testing in my product up front and if the app team buys into that methodology, the CISO convinces them, yes, this is important. Now I've got two budgets to pull from, and in the end I end up with a cheaper, a lower cost of a service. So I think that's another way that we see with like DevSecOps and a few other services, that building in on day one that you mentioned. >> Lisa: Yeah. >> Getting both teams involved. >> Dave: That's interesting, Mike, because that's the alignment that you were talking about earlier in the KPIs and you're not a tech vendor saying, buy my product, you guys have deep consultancy backgrounds. >> Anne: And the customer appreciates that. >> Yeah. >> Anne: They see us as looking out for their best interest when we're trying to support them and help them and bringing it to the table at the very beginning as something that is there and we're conscientious of, just helps them in the long run and I think, they're seeing that, they appreciate that. >> Dave: Yeah, you can bring best practice around measurements, alignment, business process, stuff like that. Maybe even some industry expertise which you're not typically going to get from a product company. >> Well, one thing you just mentioned that I love talking about with Capgemini is the industry expertise, right? So when you look at systems integrators, there are a lot of really, really good ones. To say otherwise would be foolish. But Capgemini with our acquisition of Altran, a couple years ago, I think think it was, right? How many other GSIs or SIs are actually building silicon for IoT chips? So IoT's huge right now, the intelligent industry moving forward is going to drive a lot of those business outcomes that people are looking for. Who else can say we've built an autonomous vehicle, Capgemini can. Who can say that we've built the IoT devices from the ground up? We know not just how to integrate them into AWS, into the IoT services in the cloud, but to build and have that secure development for the firmware and all and that's where I think our customers really look to us as being those industry experts and being able to bring that totality of our business to bear for what they need to do to achieve their objectives to deliver to their customer. >> Dave: That's interesting. I mean, using silicon as a differentiator to drive a lot of business outcomes and security. >> Mike: Absolutely. >> I mean you see what Amazon's doing in silicon, Look at Apple. Look at what Tesla's doing with silicon. >> Dave: That's where you're seeing a lot of people start focusing 'cause not everybody can do it. >> Yeah. >> It's hard. >> Right. >> It's hard. >> And you'll see some interesting announcements from us and some interesting information and trends that we'll be driving because of where we're placed and what we have going around security and intelligent industry overall. We have a lot of investment going on there right now and again, from the partner perspective, it's an ecosystem of key partners that collectively work together to kind of create a seamless security posture for an intelligent industry initiative with these companies that we're working with. >> So last question, probably toughest question, and that's to give us a 30 second like elevator pitch or a billboard and I'm going to ask you, Anne, specifically about the SOC Essentials program powered by Trend Micro. Why should organizations look to that? >> Organizations should move to it or work with us on it because we have the expertise, we have the width and breadth to help them fill the gaps, be those eyes, be that team, the police behind it all, so to speak, and be the team behind them to make sure we're giving them the right information they need to actually act effectively on maintaining their security posture. >> Nice and then last question for you, Mike is that billboard, why should organizations in any industry work with Capgemini to help become an intelligent industrial player. >> Mike: Sure, so if you look at our board up top, right, we've got our tagline that says, "get the future you want." And that's what you're going to get with Capgemini. It's not just about selling a service, it's not just about what partners' right in reselling. We don't want that to be why you come to us. You, as a company have a vision and we will help you achieve that vision in a way that nobody else can because of our depth, because of the breadth that we have that's very hard to replicate. >> Awesome guys, that was great answers. Mike, Anne, thank you for spending some time with Dave and me on the program today talking about what's new with Capgemini. We'll be following this space. >> All right, thank you very much. >> For our guests and for Dave Vellante, I'm Lisa Martin, you're watching theCUBE, the leader in live enterprise and emerging tech coverage. (gentle light music)

>> From New York City, it's theCube covering New Relic Feature Stack 2019. Brought to you by New Relic. >> Stu: Hi, I'm Stu Miniman and this is theCube's first year of coverage at the seventh year of New Relic's Futurestack 2019 here in New York City and happy to welcome back to the program two Cube alumni. So, Todd Osborne is the GVP of Alliances and Channel with New Relic and Dave McCann is the Vice President of Migration Services, Marketplace and Control Services with AWS. Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us. >> Dave: Great seeing you again, Stu. >> Todd: Thanks for having us. >> Allright, um, Todd, let's start with you uh, you know, quite a bit of a relationship with, between New Relic and AWS. I know we've had Lou on our program at the AWS shows a couple of times. So, set us up with the, the partnership and how it's been evolving. >> Todd: Yeah, it's been a, uh an unbelievable partnership, um, for many, many years we've worked together starting with technology integrations, we've got dozens of them that, that natively monitor a bunch of different AWS services but the most exciting thing of late ah, really came to life middle of last year when we started working with, uh, a bunch of different folks at AWS. Our, basically, our biggest thing that we need help with is migrations. We know we have this massive opportunity, uh, to, for more and more applications more and more workloads to move to the cloud. There's lots of different ways in which customers, partners and Amazon needed help in doing that. They brought us several different challenges related to that and we responded by, ah, at Reinvent Launch last year, launching what we call the Cloud Adoption Solution. That really was how, um, a process that linked up with the Amazon Migration Acceleration Program and used New Relic as the platform to help with migrations from beginning to end. So, starting with the planning, uh, phase of the process, getting the information you need to have a successful migration and design a successful migration, troubleshooting that may, of anything tat may occur during the migration and then post migration, really helping to optimize the performance and cost of how that migration, uh, or that post migration, ah, optimization and run phase. So, it started with that. It's really evolved. What's been really amazing, just since we launced last November December at Reinvent, the whole, we've seen a massive shift already, just the last nine months, where it's not about just simple lift and shift anymore, almost all customers that are migrating now, are also thinking about modernizing their software stack, running on containers, using kubernetes, running micro services, which is New Relic's sweet spot, really, at the application space. So, as we've evolved, starting with migration, evolving into modernization, it's been an amazing partnership working with AWS. >> Stu: So, Dave, migration services, obviously something we hear a lot about from AWS. Every time I go on one of these shows, it's one of the key steps that gets thrown out. Uh, you have a very broad ecosystem, the marketplace, uh, you know is, is the closest I call to the kind of the enterprise app store, uh, of today. Tell us what's, you know, special and, really, you know the effort that goes together between AWS and New Relic here. >> Dave: So, I think, from a migration point of view, um, you know we've spent a lot of time in AWS designing a migration methodology. Our professional services team, let by Tom Weatherby is really delivering a playbook directly to our customers on how to migrate. And, also, we've certified over fifty consultant partners who are certified to do the migration. But all the migrations hinge on a customer knowing what they have and whether they want to migrate it. And, so, to necessarily know what you have, you have to go through application discovery. So, if you've got a larger server fleet, you've got four or five thousand instances, you have a thousand apps, you've actually got to discover and analyze what you have. And, clearly New Relic's tool is widely installed. So they actually have the visibility to a lot of the installed apps. So, last year, at the end of last year, we bought a Canadian company called TSO Logic. And TSO Logic is a business case tool from building the business case on whether to move an application running on PRIM. What would it look like on The Cloud? So, we need to have that data in the tool. And, so, New Relic's been a great partner, integrating New Relic into TSO Logic, so we cal actually take the instrument in visibility that New Relic brings to the table and pop it right into the tool. And, so, the New Relic, TSO tool integration is a great new mechanism that we have. And we just acquired TSO in Q1 of 2019. So that we're now giving the TSO tool to all of our solution architects and all of our consulting partners and New Relic feeds the data right into the TSO tool. So that's a huge, um, uh, mechanism for accelerating migration. >> Okay, uh, can, can you speak to, you know, how, are you, who and what customers and how are you targeting them, uh, for, for this solution? >> So, first of all, customer are moving to AWS. You know, thousand of enterprises are moving applications. I think you have to assume that most enterprises are moving to The Cloud. And the question is, "At what speed?" So, as our sales teams engage with the customer, the sales team have a notion to discuss migration we run migration methodology. And so, as we engage with the teams, the solution architect brings TSO to the tool, to the discussion. And that's happening all around the world. And we've trained our solution architects on TSO. And as we've done that, the second thing we've done is, you know, New Relic engineered engine marketplace over two years ago. But we've launched a new capability called Private Offers. And Private Offers is where the customer, while they're planning the migration, may also need to license more New Relic and New New Relic. And, so, how do we make licensing really easy? And, so, New Relic worked with us on, the, what we call the Private Offers Workflow. And that Private Offer Workflow allows a New Relic sales executive to generate the quote right in the marketplace portal. And you, an AWS customer, and you receive that private quotation right in your AWS account. So not only are we business casing on TSO, but New Relic is quoting through marketplace. So that's happening into lots of large customers. >> Stu: Yeah, uh, you know, what if you talk about the adoption of Cloud we need to make it simpler for customers to move those. And the financial piece has always been one of the promises of Cloud, but things like this Private Offer, it sounds like it helps accelerate, uh, that simplicity, and, and you know, reduces any, you know, perceived barriers there are between some of the software vendors and what you're offering. >> Dave: Well, it flows the New Relic software supply right through marketplace and more and more large companies are using marketplace for software supply. And, so, New Relic's in there. It means that our sales teams are working together So, we talked this morning at the conference with the VP of Cloud architecture who was in the conversation. And so, Chris has been working with the AWS team and with the New Relic team and we're joined at the hip as they expand their use of New Relic. And they announced this morning that they've now moved over thirty percent of all of the Cox application onto the AWS Cloud. And New Relic's been the center of that visibility. >> Stu: All right, so, Todd, a lot of announcements at the show, especially uh, you know, the capital p platform as Lou talked about in the keynote this morning. Well, you know, AWS is one of the largest platforms out there today. Help us understand how these fit together, both platforms as well as just, just the announcements in general as to how they work with AWS. >> Yeah, what every single thing we announced today had some sort of AWS tie to it. So, I mean first of all with New Relic, one, being a platform, it's open, connected, and, um, and, and programmable. And, so, the open part of that means that not only can we just inject data with New Relic agents, now we, we now are an observability platform that will take date from all kinds of sources, so think of what that opens up in working with AWS and AWS's other partners and getting data from a bunch of different sources, to then make the observability even better. We announce a log in solution. We're already connected with AWS, uh, cloud watch logs and, and, uh, working on some other new feature solutions in the log in space. And then from a programmability perspective, um, we can now take what we have, we can write all kinds of applications on top of the New Relic platform. And some of the initial couple of, of the dozen application that have already been opensource, one is a cost optimization play which looks at Amazon data, uh, both utilization performance data, some other sources of data that New Relic has, and then pulls in the Amazon cost data, can actually look at, in the New Relic platform, as a free opensource application, how do I optimize my cost in the AWS environment? And the second one, which we didn't talk about too much this morning but it's out there, but we can take some of VienMore data and some of the on PRIM data that we have visibility to today and help design that landing zone to help migrations do better, So, it's just two really quick examples of how we can take data from all these different sources and program it, write new applications on top of it, create an awesome customer use case and work with Amazon and, uh, help migrations and optimization along the way. >> Stu: All right, Dave, I'm wondering if you have any customer examples that might highlight some of the joint work that's being worked on between New Relic and AWS. >> Dave: Also, You Know, obviously I've just made some Cox We stood on stage this morning with the press where Cox has said that they've now got nine thousand work loads under New Relic visibility. And so that nine thousand work loads is across hundreds of development teams and, I think, Cox is just an illustration of many customers that we have in common. Um, you know, we're, AWS has got thousands of enterprises, so does New Relic. I think you've said you have over one hundred thousand five hundred enterprises using you. So, some large number. So there's a high overlap in many customers at this conference. And as we sat in the room this morning, um, I would say more than half the room held up their hands when I said, "Who in this room is using AWS?" Half of the audience here are AWS customers and New Relic customers. >> Todd: If I could maybe just add on the Cox story a little bit, because I've been very involved with that one. The beauty of the partnership we have there was multiple, on multiple phases. First, Cox has been a customer of ours for a number of years. Both on PRIM and in the cloud as they have accelerated their cloud, we've helped a lot with that. What was great about that partnership was that our field teams got together and, and actually really sat down and, and mapped out the migration, multiple migration scenarios. We had data on a bunch of on PRIM stuff that was valuable to AWS. AWS was the standard on a couple of divisions on cloud that we weren't monitoring all the applications there. So the teams really worked really well together and then at the end of the day, we came together and said, um, there's a bunch of benefits for the customer, for AWS and us, if the, if uh, if a transaction, the last transaction we did there, went though the marketplace, which was a significant transaction that we did with, ah, on the marketplace. So it was just such a win, win, win that tied together the, uh, all the aspects of the strategic nature-natureship, nature of our partnership. >> Stu: All right, so, you know, it's clear you're teams have been working close tother, iterating and adding a lot of the last kind of year, year or two or so. Give us a little bit look forward. What more should we expect of, a, from, from this partnership? >> Dave: So the area I think I would talk about next, that I think all customers are paying attention to, is spam management. So, you migrate your application to the cloud, you establish a could operating modem, um, we license out software through marketplace, you're now running it, at last week we have another product that I run called Service Catalog. And last week what we launched in Service Catalog was a new ability, and Service Catalog is a library of templates, so those templates are launched as Jason Templates using something called cloud formation and we've versioned the templates and what we launched last week was an integration between Service Catalog and another tool our customers have called AWS Budgets. So now what you actually want to do is you want to grant the team access to a resource and on the tag of the template, you actually want to give that resource template a budget. So that is actually under an API, so there's an AWS Budget API, there's a Service Catalog API, Lou's team today announced a whole raft of New Relic tools. But one of the things that they announced was the ability to essentially build these new widgets, using a React widget, and pull data from other sources. So that's the area some of the customers are looking at as far as taking your spam widget and connecting it into both AWS Budgets and Service Catalog. I don't know if you want to give us your thoughts on that. >> Todd: I, I already talked a little bit about it but it's, it's, it's where we can go. Like the future if almost, almost, uh, infinity right now. What we can go do together. We are trying to align to several of the programs Dave mentioned around Service Catalog, Migration Hub, focus on a couple different use cases of what, um, ever migration has a bunch of nuances and every optimization story has a bunch of nuances. But how can we create the right application, which are a starting point, opensource, put, put the repository up on get up and then allow customers and partners to go and fork that, do what they want to match, kind of of standard use case and maybe eighty percent of the way there. But then it needs a little but of tweak, a little bit of customization basesd on whatever that customer's situation is. We've enabled the entire, uh, community of millions apps that are going to migrate to the AWS cloud over the next couple of years. We've enabled that with what we've launched today. So, the, uh, the future is, is infinity and beyond. >> Stu: All right, well, Todd and Dave, thank you so much for the update. We look forward to seeing what gets announced at AWS Reinvent, which, of course, it'll be our seventh year of having theCube there. Big presence, uh, please reach out if you want to talk to us ahead of time. And check out theCube.net, of course, where you can see, uh, where we will be, including, of course, AWS Reinvent, uh, in December, uh, in Las Vegas. So, This is theCube at Future Stack 2019. I'm Stu Miniman. Thanks for watching theCube.