>> I am stupid men. And this is a special on the ground here the be Tugg SummerSlam 2019 the 16th and final year of the event. We've got people coming in from all over the environment and so many changes. Really, really. Change is one of the central themes, and joining me on >> the program is >> Matt Robber, who when I first met, I had a very different job, had a different name, but it was one of the keynote speakers this morning at Thank you so much for joining us representing the cube shirt. Yeah, >> thank you. I had aware my limited edition cute shirt I've gotta represent for everybody. Yeah, I've moved on in a slightly different direction from the V community, but what I love about the virtual ization community is it's really about the relationships that we have. So being here is just reconnecting with people I really care about, and making sure that they have hats for with their career is well, not that virtual ization is disappearing overnight. But there's a lot of interesting ways to grow these days, and I like to advocate >> one of things that I loved. When this change from being the the mug, the New England being logged to the beat hug. It actually was helping along that transition. It's more than just virtualization. What's going on in Cloud Computing? Obviously, is having a huge impact. And you know what's happening? Careers and developers. And that was some of the conversation that you have this morning. And if people can't read on the lower third you currently with Red Hat, your technical advocated an editor with open source dot com. That's of course, Red hat. We now call that IBM, right? >> Yes, well, I mean, IBM is the overall Read had a Silla independent part of ah, the organization, and I work for open source dot com. It's a special small group that we get to focus just on telling open source stories inside the ecosystem of open source. So everything from lawyers talking about licenses to people learning python to system administrators telling about their Lennox expertise. And it's all it's all very interesting and very, very exciting because so many of the people here are fantastic sys admin is that yes, they know virtualization. Yes, they know the the proprietary side of it, but the open source side is just as much part of their day, and I want to give them a way of sharing that. >> Yeah. Eso careers, of course, is something that, you know. Well, I was not only a longtime listener, but happened Pleasure to be on the geek twisters broadcast once, and you yourself have gone through a number of career changes. When I first met you very technical working in, you know, some of the products there. You did some very community focused events, but kept your technical bent on your back, working a lot with this, you know, technical community. You know, this key these geek is, you know, at the show there. And they're your people. One >> 100% my people. Yeah, I I I found it early on. I was given the advice that if you ever go anywhere outside of an engineering organization, you're gonna lose your edge. And what I found in practices that there's actually a wide breath of technology and wide breath of jobs necessary to support the technology out there these days. So when you pick your head up when you look into and organizations you might not normally think you could work in, like marketing or in sales. You can find some of the most technical people in ah company. They're attracted to jobs where they can communicate in the way they like to communicate. And they have the day to day life >> that matters. Saddam. >> I found that I love telling stories. I love supporting people, trying to tell stories that makes me gravitate to a very different part of the organization than engineering where it started on. I still get to learn quite a bit. I'm actually coding more than I did when I was an engineer. Technically, and I look forward to doing that more. >> Yeah, well, it really is being able to connect between communities. How do we get, you know, share those stories and make sure we can speak the language of our audience? You know, this is so often it's, you know, if I'm if I'm in the I T organization, I don't necessarily understand the business. We're just talking to Josh out. Well, is if you don't understand the key objectives of the business, how do you know that you're supporting it? How do you make sure you are valuable to the organization right on a similar themes were in your one >> 100% true, and there's a lot of nuance to it because the waves of Cloud and Dev ops and coding infrastructure is code have all see kind of shaking the foundation of this administration. In a way, that's just it seems to be telling a story if you're not good enough in what you're doing, and I really don't like that narrative, I think we can reframe it in a very positive way that we decided to all work in technology because it is inclusive of change and because we >> need to >> continue to evolve. >> If we wanted to be certain about what we're doing every day, you need to study something like geology, so that rocks kind of keep the same or be a chiropractor, and you cracked the back the same way every time In technology you're constantly evolving. You're constantly looking at the next step on. I love Josh is working new ops. I love seeing people adopt Dev ops ideas and open source is such a gateway into all of that work, so open source as the core of it. Once you realize you don't have to file a ticket. When something breaks and you can go fix it or you can talk to a developer that's fixing it. You feel a brand new form of community that you just don't feel in this part of the industry, and I have just become obsessed with it. I want other people to know that there's an option there that it's really exciting. >> Yeah, trust me. I remember the first time I went to a red hat show. I worked with Lennox for many years. I worked with Red Hat for a long time, but it was definitely a different feel at a Red Hat summit. Then it was going to, you know, virtual station, user group or am world. Yes, that inclusiveness. And they want to help. But you know, an open source. A lot of times, it's like, How are you? Contributed doesn't mean you necessarily have to be, you know, fixing bugs and filing code. Maybe you're helping in the documentation, but it is. That contribution is so central onto what happens open source. I know you've got one >> 100% yet the contribution is such a huge element, and like the shirt that you made the shirt is for go for con effectively. It's with gophers fromthe go programming language community and what's cool about Go and I recently went up icon for the python developer community. And at each of those events, what I love is that every one of the booths, every one of the people speaking they have a project that you can participate in. And what's great about that is I think it is the fear of it being like, Oh, I have to learn to code to participate here goes away when you look and they're they're looking for user's. They're looking for subject matter experts on I t infrastructure to use the software tested at scale, make sure it's supported. Make sure it's secure in all the ways that sys admin are the subject matter experts on. So it's not that cyst administrations going away. It's that it's evolving in a way that is Maur inclusive of other technologies and honestly, more freeing once you get into it. All right. So, >> Matt, you currently live in Minnesota. You lived here in the North east For a while. You've been toe many environment. Give us a little bit of you know what? What? The V tug community and the people at this >> thing this event >> have meant to you personally, >> I can't quite some of how important it's been. I started volunteering is part of the pizza community from a social media angle, which showed me that actually, marketing could be interesting because it helps other people connect. And then I spoke here on multiple times early on in my career. It gave me the confidence it gave me the community that help support me. And I think we all can do. Ah, good job of remembering why we're here and remembering how to bring that forward in our local communities. Well, >> not always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thank you for the keynote this morning. And I look forward to seeing your continue working other events. Thanks. All right, I'm still Minutemen. Way back with more coverage here, as always. Thanks for watching the cue