>> Narrator: Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE covering VMworld 2017! Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. (electronic music) >> Welcome back to theCUBE. We're on day three of our continuing coverage of VMworld 2017. We've all counted our steps, lots of steps we've gotten in, lots of great conversations. I am Lisa Martin with my co-host John Troyer. We're joined now by two guests who are new to theCUBE. Chanda Dani, Senior Director of Product Marketing, Storage and Development at VMware. Welcome to theCUBE! >> Thank you. >> And you're also joined by Mark Vaughn, you're the Director of Strategic Technology Group with Presidio, welcome! >> Yes ma'am, thank you. >> So guys we're at day three of, hopefully your feet aren't too sore, of VMware 2017. Big announcements on Monday about VCF, on AWS yesterday, the pivotal container service with Google, Pat Gelsinger mentioned on Monday, 10,000 customers on VSAN. Chanda, have you heard from customers at the event? What has their reaction been to some of the great news that's been announced? >> Customers are actually really excited. They see VMware evolve and become more and more mature and bigger, and the see us as a partner. In the context of VSAN, they are even more excited. I met a lot of customers who wanted to try out our hands-on labs, and these were actually storage admins who were like, "I'm really interested, can you guide me through this process?" I had a session on Sunday and I thought, people are still pouring in, checking into the hotel. And the session had four, five hundred people and it was on VSAN and there was so much excitement! So it's really, really amazing. Great time for VSAN right now. >> Wow, did Pat say adding 100 customers a week? >> Yes, we are adding 100 customers a week. >> That's remarkable, and it sounds like you're seeing maybe a shift in terms of the skill types that are wanting to learn about this technology? >> Exactly, so VI admins have always been a champion, but what has been very interesting this VMware that a lot of storage admins have come to the show and they are all at the hands-on labs and the sessions wanted to learn about it more and more. >> From a market perspective, Mark, question for you. Given that, and we're hearing quite a bit, John, over the last couple of days on both of our sets here, generational shifts, skillset shifts. In terms of shifts and trends in the market, what are some of the data center trends that you've heard, Mark, articulated on the show floor and from your partner, VMware, this week? >> There's definitely the shift with VMware Cloud on AWS. That's been a real emphasis this week, which again builds on what we've been doing in the private data center. So building on VCN, building on NSX, building on the VMware hypervisor. So those are some trends we've really seen and, honestly, in the data center in general, we've seen a shift in storage the last few years. So it's moving more towards an emphasis on the software. So whether you're releasing that now as a virtual appliance or a cloud appliance, or going a step further and having a solution that is totally self-defined, like VCN, we're beginning to see the emphasis move from hardware to software. >> So Mark, we've had a lot of innovation in hyperconverged infrastructure in the last few years. With VCN being one of the pillars of innovation. But the market is interesting, a lot of players in the market, some being pulled out, others entering, where are we in this whole evolution? What is the state of hyperconverged infrastructure and hyperconverged storage in 2017? >> As we look so much to public cloud, and it's been such a buzzword for the last few years, we've noticed that a lot of our customers have moved to it and realized it doesn't work everywhere. But what attracted them to the cloud, they still want, even when they run on-prem data center now. So they want that flexibility, they want that ability to scale easily, they want flexible billing, as well, and consumption-based models. And so software-defined storage and VSAN really create the ability to, you may not want everything in the cloud. But you can still have what you liked about the cloud in your own data center. And so that's part of the modernization story that we're walking through with a lot of our customers. >> Chanda, how are you seeing the consumption models? Software versus VMware ready-nodes, build-your-own partner ecosystem, how are people taking, you know, is it in the cloud, is it on-prem, how are people taking these in? >> Actually, this is one of the key reasons why customers like VSAN, the wide choice of consumption models that they have. They can fully-customize it, build it themselves, they can go with the ready-nodes, they also have a choice to go with an appliance-based solution which we have with Dell EMC called VxRail, and they also like the choice that, what they could do on-prem, now they can do it on AWS and it's just yet another site for them. And, for example, disaster recovery as a service is one of the use cases they really want to move forward with. I just came back from a customer meeting, explaining to them how it would work, and they're really excited and waiting for it to come. >> So you mentioned Dell EMC, and one of the questions I had was, just about one-year-post combination of Dell taking over. One of the things that was very clearly articulated during the keynote by Michael Dell himself was that, the importance of the VMware ecosystem really growing. And the independence. So long-time partners, Presidio and VMware, talk to us about your channel strategy, and how it's going to evolve or is evolving as you need to give customers this flexibility of private-public hybrid based on their needs and this consumption-driven model. How is the channel strategy evolving to facilitate that? You can both take a shot at that. >> One thing I've noticed, upfront, when it comes to consumption models is, we're actually seeing vendors like Dell and other OEM partners beginning to offer consumption models where you can actually now get hardware on six-month, one-year, you know, shorter term, where it gives you the flexibility of the cloud of, you don't have to make a longterm commitment to hardware, you can flex, you can grow. Even when it's on-prem, you can still have some of that flexibility. We've also worked out some cost models for some of our customers where we can help them have that flexibility and consumption models to allow them to actually grow on-prem in a similar way that they would in the cloud. >> Chanda, same question for you, the channel strategy. Kind of, what do you see as some of the next steps to make that channel, and make, event the partnership with Presidio even better? >> Right. So actually, Presidio has been a very successful partner for VSAN and, talking about channel strategy, if you look at it, VSAN, today, has 10,000 customers. vSphere has 350,000 customers. We are not even 4% penetrated in our own install-base, and given the tight correlation between vSphere and VSAN, we all know that vSphere obtained this large install-base through our channel. So for VSAN to have such a big install-base and increase our penetration, it is actually channel that will do that for us. And Presidio is well ahead on that curve right now. So our strategy, actually, is related to server refresh. It is projected that, by the end of 2019, about 60% of our customers would be going through a server refresh. And as they go through a server refresh, they adopt hyperconversion infrastructure more and more. Because they're buying these new servers, they say, might as well buy a ready-node. And we want to ensure that our channel is well-equipped to take advantage of this wave that is coming. So there are many things we are doing, for example, number one, that they are able to build their practice. And Presidio is quite ahead there. But the rest of the world is able to do that too, globally. And secondly, we are trying to simplify and streamline things for them by having product packages which they can sell easily. For example, we have a package of vSphere and VSAN called HCI Kit, where we have designed it such that, the most profitable way to sell vSphere is to sell it with VSAN, because if they sell vSphere, if they qualify, the ad-plus at the back is 10%. But if they sell the HCI kit, which is Vspere and VSAN, the back-end ad-plus is 30%. So for our channel, the most profitable way is to sell vSphere along with VSAN. Then we have also designed a whole bunch of sales tools. Like, they can go into an account, do an assessment, do a whole sizing for the VSAN ready node, do a full ready-node configuration with our OEM partners such as HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Lenovo, et cetera, they are all at the solution exchange here. And then they can have a full TCO conversation. All of this is now available for our channel, and we went ahead and did a practice builder workshop in all major cities globally to help them come up to speed on all this stuff. There are many other programs. And we are now providing POC gears so that you can actually do successful POCs too. So it's now execution for us. >> Yes. And it's been great because VMware has really created and ecosystm that we can work well within, and it actually creates a journey for our customers. So we've been able to walk a number of customers, I was working with a customer just this week that has been a long-time ESX environment for their VMware hypervisor. Probably four years ago they began using VSAN early on, and since that time they've moved, VSAN is now their primary storage, and now they're moving into deployment in SX. And as that is going along, they're beginning to look at vRealize Operations, they're beginning to look at Airwatch, so it really creates an ecosystem that we can walk people through the journey of moving into these, and there's often opportunities where we can come in and do a number of these at a time. But there's also a lot of opportunities where customers kind of need to mature their own processing and go through this journey. >> Mark, I'd like to drill down on that a little bit. I've known you for years, you know, back in the day when the virtualization admin was the role that was just created, and started to bridge some of those silos between storage, networking, Windows, security, teams. You talked about the channel, let's talk about the customer uptake and enablement on their side. Who are the people that are being trained on this? Is it, do folks still have the traditional storage admin? Is it a combined team? Who's buying it, who's responsible for it, and how are you helping them succeed with VSAN? >> We really have to approach that based on each customer's individual makeup. And we need to see how their organizations worked out, and where their skillsets lie. But we see that, really, as a mix. It's been much the same way as networking. At first, networking was separate from virtual networking, and they quickly realized as, you know, 80 or 90% of their environment became virtualized, you can't just sit outside of the hypervisor, you have to be participating in the network inside the hypervisor as well. So there's definitely skillsets that the storage admin brings to bear that the average systems admin doesn't have. So it's really a partnering of the two. And I see the same thing with cloud. So, where virtualization admin was a niche ten years ago, now you can't work in the data center if you don't know how to participate in the virtualization environment and you're not familiar with VMware. Cloud is kind of becoming a niche, but in five years you won't be able to work in the data center if you don't know cloud. >> Yeah, what's one of the trends that we've seen as well, just in doing some reading online, is that, it used to be, everybody was trained, you know, that would come here to VMworld, would be trained in virtualization and certifications. And now we're starting to see that shift towards cloud. Sounds like there's been this natural evolution that's been customer-driven, in terms of enablement and the education, but you're now seeing the importance of the guys and gals that are storage admin, maybe the system admins as well, the VI admins. How are you guys working together to sort of tailor the conversation as more ... You see a diversity in the types of people that are interested in this type of technology, and as the conversation, maybe on the storage side, goes up to the C level, because they're storing massive amounts of data that's got to be able to extract value from in new lines of business. How is your enablement evolving as these skillsets are shifting? >> Alright, so, the name "hyperconvergence" actually says it all, it's not just causing convergence of technologies, it's causing convergence of people and skillsets and teams as well, and that does include people who just used to be computer admins and storage admins and network admins now. So going back to that context of how we are doing the enablement, I think what we are doing right now is helping each side understand the value, and having them come together. Earlier they used to work as silos, and now the teams are coming together just as the technology is coming together. And as regards, talking to decision-makers in the organizations, at the CIO level, people are more interested in competitive advantage for their own organization. And we find that the hyperconvergence technology allows the entire organization to move fast. So CIOs are able to do their business initiatives in a much faster way, get their profits coming in a much fast way, their risks are minimal, so they like the technology for that reason. And VP of infrastructure, applications, et cetera, like the technology because it streamlines the operations, standardizes the processes for them. VI admins have always been a champion, because it's so easy to use for them, the learning curve is very less. And storage admins really like it because, at the time when their traditional array is running out of capacity or horsepower, they don't have the budget to go and procure something new. They do have the budget to go and acquire a few servers and SSDs, they are still able to move forward and give the organization what it needs within the budget constraints, and yet meet the timeline. So this is something which is driving a lot of convergence. >> And storage has always been so critical to how virtualization works and operates. From vMotion to DRS, there's so many baseline features that relied on the underlying storage. So the storage admins and the VI admins have been growing closer and closer together for a long time. But what we're seeing with hyperconverge, and whether it's on-prem or, especially, in the cloud, is it's not only changing the storage technology, but it's changing the cost model. So now the conversation also has to happen at a business level of, is this going to be capex? Is this going to be opex? Is this going to be a traditional purchase method? Is this going to be a consumption method? So the conversation, now, actually, has to transcend from just the technology to also the business impact and the business drivers behind selecting one method or another. >> Absolutely, absolutely. And that's a theme that we're hearing a lot, as customers talk about digital transformation. Well I love the play on words with "convergence", and it sounds like the different folks that are now really needing this type of technology are folks that you've had the chance to speak with at the show. So we want to thank you guys for taking the time on Day Three to come and chat with us on theCUBE. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> For our guests, and for my co-host John Troyer, I am Lisa Martin, you've been watching theCUBE live on Day Three, continuing coverage of VMworld 2017. We'll be right back after a short break. (electronic music)

>> Announcer: Live from Washington D.C., it's theCUBE covering AWS Public Sector Summit 2017. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services and its partner, Ecosystem. >> Welcome back to our nation's capitol where we continue our coverage here on theCUBE of the AWS Public Sector Summit 2017. Some 10,000 strong in attendance this week here in the Walter Washington Convention Center. It's just about a mile from the U.S. Capitol. John Walsh, this is John Furrier. John, do you feel the energy of the centerpiece of the political universe. >> It's hot here in D.C. >> It is hot. >> It's a pressure cooker, the humidity. >> But, it's not global warming we know that because, ya know, climate change is >> Climate change is not real. That's from what I heard. >> That's what we've been told. >> The problem with D.C. is it's a data lake that's turned into a data swamp. So, someone really needs to drain that data swamp. >> Well, ya know, to help us do that. You know who's going to help us do that? >> Amazon Web Services. >> Marlin McFate's going to help us do that. He is the technical leader of the Advanced Technology Group in the office of the CTO and Riverbed. And Marlin, thank you for being with us here on theCUBE. Your first time, I believe. >> Yes, it is my first time on theCUBE. >> So, you're a Cube rookie? >> Yes, Cube rookie. >> Good to have you aboard. >> I appreciate it, thanks. >> Tell us a little bit first about Riverbed, about what you do there specifically, what you do there and what the company's mission is overall. >> Absolutely, so I work for the Advanced Technology Group, the Advanced Technology Group works underneath the office of the CTO. There's actually two groups that work under the office of the CTO, my group, the Advanced Technology Group and another one called the Strategic Technology Group. The ATT Group, the one that I belong to, we focus on being the subject matter experts of our products. I think there's about nine of us now and we all focus on different products. Riverbed's grown from a company of being just the WAN Optimization Company to really being the performance company, right, whether that be visibility, whether it be optimization, whether it be network optimization. Each one of us focuses on a different piece. I, predominantly focus on our WAN optimization, our SteelConnect product and at times our SteelFusion project, which is the combined Edge product. >> SteelConnect, yeah, tell us what that's all about. >> SteelConnect, SteelConnect is not actually our most recent product to come to market. We have a couple of visibility products that have come out recently, but SteelConnect addresses the idea that we have been doing networking for the same way say, you know, 1993 beyond, right. We are still doing it the same way. Everything within our industry, whether you take a look at virtualization, whether you take a look at Cloud, whether or not you take a look at storage, everything has changed substantially in how we do it and this brings that change to networking. The idea is that when you think about servers you say, I no longer want to think about you know, hardware. I never want to think about that. I never want to think about resources. Maybe I don't even want to worry about operating systems. I only want to worry about containers, right. Now, when it comes to networking I don't necessarily want to have to worry about each individual piece within my network. I want it to be orchestrated and controlled centrally and what I tell it to do, I want it to do. I shouldn't have to do that. >> You missed a challenged. We heard Vernon Vogel on stage here at Amazon a couple of seconds ago say, I'm here in D.C. say hey, it's a new normal. We had another entrepreneur on just before you from FUGE who said, hey, it's inevitably the world of the future and it's inherently different, or intrinsically different in Cloud than it is on premise with enterprises, so the question for you is, what is the use case that you guys are winning at because the Cloud is impacting federal government and public sector, but a lot of times they have old, antiquated systems like back in 1993, '94. So, they're moving fast to commercialize, to modernize, that's the focus. How do you guys help them? What's the big lynch pen for you guys and that goal mission to the customer? >> Alright, so you're absolutely right. The government has been here, or the government or public sector as a whole has been moving to the Cloud quite quickly here recently, right. We've seen this move more on the commercial side first, obviously, and now in the public sector. One of the very large use cases that we address is the ability to provision for your applications, right. Some of the characteristics that you find in commercial world, such as, I want to use internet as transport. You don't see as much in public sector. But, you do see, I can spin up an application in the Cloud. If you go to your Cloud person and say, how would it take me to get application B, they could possibly come back to you and say, well, would this afternoon be okay, right. Can you provision in hours like that? Can you get the policy in place for users? Could you get the connectivity? Could you get any of that in place in the same amount of time? That is a use case that SD WAN addresses without having to rip up, take out the network that you already have, which is the physical network, or what we refer to as the underlay. Being able to give you that flexibility on top of that network. >> The big thing that customers have a challenge on is that other focus it's DebOps trend programmable infrastructure is another one, so that they want to make it programmable. >> Right. >> So, how do you guys fit into that? Because one of the things that we hear is, could I have develop 'cause all I want to do is have infrastructure just works as code. That's all I need for whatever use case. >> Yeah, we usually see that DebOps is actually one that'll probably be the first movers to the Cloud for the public sector, right. With our, really it's every single one of our products, whether or not we're talking about SteelConnect, SteelHead, SteelEssential, any one of them, there's a RESTful API for every single one of them. So, you can actually go in and utilizing a very easy scripting a RESTful API directly itself and spin up whole environments and then spin them down if you wanted to do that. So, it fits very, very nicely into that DebOps world. >> Do you have SteelEdge yet? >> SteelEdge? >> Copyright on theCUBE. >> It might be a razor company that might have that. I don't know. >> Well, the Edge in the network is huge and this is where we're talking about as you guys do it, you know SD WAN, I mean, come on, why the area networks? You don't beat, you can't get any more edgier than that. You guys have a core competency in this. How do you guys look at the Edge and IOT and all these use cases popping around? >> Well, we do actually have a product that has Edge in it, it was SteelFusion Edge. We could address that in a couple of different ways. I want to make sure that I understood your question, though. Your question was around IOT, specifically? >> Well, how do you guys look at the Edge? The trends right now are super hyped up right now, Intelligent Edge is a big message we're hearing from others. IOT is an Edge application with its Industrial Edge with Genery Censor networks, help with safety, surveillance, all this is Edge devices. >> It still ends up in the end being you know, and that has, we've heard the change from people calling it Branch to calling it Edge, which is probably pretty appropo, right. But, really in the end, what it comes down to is connectivity, right. So, if I have IOT sensors in a warehouse, whether or not I have an application, whether or not I have a group of users, whether or not I have mobile users, in the end what it really comes down to is connectivity. And, we all especially with our cell phones, right, we have come pretty much to the point where we expect our data and our connectivity to be there at all times, right. That's one of the things SD WAN addresses. Whether it be our direct, our SD WAN products, SteelConnect, or whether or not it has works with some of the pieces that move further into the LAN architectural, like our wireless access points, our switching, right. So, you can imagine here, right, I can provide policy for my IOT devices. I can provide that policy one time at an organizational or agency level. I can have that policy filter down, all the way down to the axis point and now the axis point might be my axis point to my IOT or to my user. So, in the end, it still comes to connectivity. >> Marlin, what's some of the use cases or scenarios you've been involved with customers where it's been super exciting from an architectural standpoint, where you guys are doing some cutting edge things. Like, is it more the network size? Is it software? Is it Edge. I mean, I'm tryin' to get a sense of, could you share a personal perspective? >> Absolutely so. One of the ones that we're working on right now I think is probably the most exciting. It is combining some aspects, you could call it an FE. You could call it SD WAN. You could call it Grey Box. What I like to call it is just a combined Edge piece, right, which encompasses both the SteelConnect piece which handles your firewall characteristics, your identity management characteristics, built into that some switching, virtualization, so you can run other products on there. What the customer really wanted to end up doing was they had school systems that, a school system that was in a very far away place and that school system, they were putting in a router, a switch, an access point, you know, all these different little pieces and devices, right. What we did was we were able to take that design and crunch it down into basically one box, right. They have enough switchboards. They have the ability to run virtual machines 'cause they said that they had a server here or there. They have their virtualized SteelConnect gateway which gives them the firewall capability, gives them the routing capability and this is all combined in a box that already has the WAN Optimization built in. So, they get everything that they would have had onsite in one box. >> Is there something to working, you bring up education as an example, but in that space overall in the .gov, the .edu space that's separate and aside from commercial partners or commercial relationships like different concerns, different priorities and yet they're using the same technologies. >> Most certainly. The only thing that I could really say from a using technology, right, I mean there are some pockets where different technology, far off weird technologies is utilized. But, I would say that they are the public sector, schools, federal government, intel, they're all using a lot of the same technology, right. It's when they adopt it. When did they bring it into their environment? And then, what are the special characteristics of their environment? So for example, what I said earlier, right, your commercial customers are looking at utilizing SD WAN to move maybe completely off of MPLS. It's probably not something that we're going to see within the public sector, right. They're want to still use some sort of private networking. I do have some customers that are utilizing public internet, but then, they are tunneling an overlay back to an MPLS entry point to get back into their Cloud. We just have interesting requirements. Whether that be a trusted internet connection, whether or not that'd be JRSS, we have different security requirements in the public sector. >> Well, I love some of what you're doin'. Did you get all of that MPLS stuff there? >> Yeah, I got the first four. >> I want to jump in and double down on that. This is interesting conversation because the whole trend right now is hybrid Cloud on the Enterprise side which is a leading indicator to the government, a little bit lagging on that, so whatever that translates to in terms of Hybrid or Legacy, it's going to be somewhat similar, I believe. But, really multi-Cloud is a trend that people are talking about. It's super hyped up but it's not yet real. The thing that's holding multi-Cloud back not multi-Cloud in the sense I got to workload over hear and a workload over there, I'm talking about moving resources around the network, data, compute, what not, is latency, huge problem. You mentioned MPLS and all this tunneling, there's still the latency problem of how do you get the laws of physics down to the point where you can actually have those kinds of latencies? What is Riverbed doing? Can you share some insights to that direction 'cause that's the holy grail right now. That's the last hurdle. Then, well getting all the silicons is still the final hurdle, but latency's critical. >> So, problem number one there, right. Even if it is Cloud to Cloud in that example, right, is first how do I get a WAN Optimization device, something that can optimize that traffic for me. Something that can affect my latency for me into that environment. Riverbed has worked tirelessly to get that in there right. But, to your point, you can't change how an electron flies, right. The speed of light is the speed of light. You're not going to get an electron to move any faster. So, what Riverbed developed that's still very relevant today is the ability to, instead of change your latency, mitigate the negative affects of your latency, right. So, if I. >> Or work around it. >> Absolutely, and you can do that at the application level, absolutely, program around it, but there are a lot of protocols out there that aren't necessarily optimized for that longer latency environment, right. So, what we do is, or the adage is, the trip never taken, right, the shortest trip. So, if I have to, not to get into the weeds or anything like that, but if I have to make a thousand round trips to accomplish something, right, and I could put something in there that understands what I was getting, right, that data that I was getting each one of those times and I can take less trips, well then, that just made that faster. So, if I have a thousand round trips and it takes a minute to do, and now I can do ten round trips and it only took ten seconds, or six seconds if we're doing the math right. >> It's kind of like here in D.C., you're local. I noticed that coming from Dulles Airport they have Sirius pricing on the toll roads. That's basically private networking right there. >> That's right. >> These cost path routing opposed to the other side. I was in the, you know. >> Marlin was more describing my trips to the hardware store on the weekends, a thousand round trips, be a lot more economical. But you're right, it is private networking. >> If you're off the road, you're off the packets aren't on the network it saves some room for someone else. >> More traffic, you hear more traffic at the higher speeds. >> You actually could. So, you get two benefits. One is the increase of speed, but the other is the perceived capacity increase of your network. And, we accomplish these things through compression which is really, really simple. I think compression is a must, right. But, through our data duplication. Data duplication is I've seen these patterns before and it's a byte level. We're not talking about an object. I haven't seen a file. No, I've seen these byte level patterns before, I don't need to resend them. And, in traditional network or traditional applications you see pretty much in any organization, right, you typically can get somewhere between 50 and 80, if not sometimes 90% reduction total in traffic. >> My final question before we wrap up this segment here is, Share with the folks, take a minute to talk to the audience about what you're doing with Riverbed at the show and what they should know about the current Riverbed. I know you've guys trying a transformation of yourselves, give a quick plug. Go ahead. >> Absolutely. So, what we're specifically doing here or one of the pieces that is a differentiator for us and our SD WAN is, we went ahead and we thought why couldn't we make that an AWSPPC or a Cloud instance one of my Edge sites, right, connecting into the Cloud, there's many different ways to do it, but why couldn't we make a very simple way of doing that? Why couldn't I take the technology that I'm already putting in place at my data centers, I'm already putting in place at my branch offices, why can't I utilize that to create a secure connection into my BBCs. And, to your point, actually earlier one of the things that's also interesting was Cloud to Cloud. Why couldn't I take that same technology and connect multiple Clouds? Whether they be private Cloud or two public Clouds or connect them all together and take the best of all worlds, right, the best from each and make the best infrastructure that I possibly can. So, what we're showing off here from a SteelConnect perspective is our ability to do that. I can take an AWSVPC, actually I can take all, I think there's 16 regions within AWS and I can interconnect them in less than 10 minutes with the click of a button. And, then back into my infrastructure. So, that and then we also have brought Eternity, which is one of our visibility products that is basically rounded out on our visibility play within the market. We have the network. We have the app. We have the database. Now, we have the end users computer. >> Alright, well, if you could interconnect me to my home in 10 minutes I'm a client. I'd be sold, I'd be all over it. >> I'm going to be in the same traffic as you later. >> I'm not that far from here, but it might as well be another day. Marlin, thanks for the time. >> Absolutely, my pleasure. >> Good to have you on theCUBE, alright. >> Thanks, hope we get to do it again. >> Riverbed has joined us here on theCUBE. We'll be live with more from Washington D.C. right after this.