>> Problem you solved. >> Sure, John, it's great to be here and Aviatrix is a cloud-native networking software company. And we help enterprises scale their private networks into the public cloud. And that's a really a hard challenge that people are struggling with. Everyone has a cloud strategy. And so our software lets you have simplified scalability, connectivity for any type of architecture, whether it be hybrid or otherwise, as well as end-to-end network security. >> And so what's the core problem that you solve? I mean, is it networking? Is it? >> Sherry: Yeah. >> Sherry? >> Yes, so what we have seen from our customers, you know, when they first started their hybrid cloud, they would always go to the cloud providers being AWS, Azure, or Google, and they set up their first encrypted tunnel to set up a hybrid environment. But as they grow, either by the need of, you know, the growing billing that they need to have chargeback, they need to set up separate environment for their different line of business, or they have the need to do segmentation for application security. So as all these different reasons for growing the environments, and to build a hybrid cloud for a growing environment's actually very challenging. Typically it takes weeks, our customer telling us, to set up one environment. To set up one environment. And today's traditional solution requires an edge router change for every time they set up the environment. And edge router change requires change of control. And if something wrong, it's business disruption. So a lot of customers don't want to do something like that, they're always nervous about it. So we bringing the solution that not only reduce the deployment time from weeks to minutes, but also deployed in a way that completely mitigate the risk, the business disruption, and allow them to scale, allow them to do chargeback, allow them to bring different line of business to a cloud very easily. >> So you spent 13 years at Cisco. >> Yes. >> So you know a little bit about edge routers and these. >> Yes. >> You know, change-overs are serious business. >> Sherry: Yes. >> What specific use case are you guys addressing. And just walk me through a potential customer situation. >> Sherry: Yes. >> Why they would use you, is it all software, is there hardware involved? Can you just drill down on that? >> Yeah, so we deploy a virtual appliance. And the specific problem, I'll give you an example. We have a customer that, they have developers, and developers go to CIO, says, oh, I want my own environment because of difficulty challenge of setting network. You know, compute and storage are very dynamic, very easy to set up, but network go through ITs and go through the change of controls on the edge router, right. So it's very controlling environment. >> John: It's like going to the airport, you got to take your shoes off. >> Yes, that's right. >> Put your stuff through the conveyor belt. >> Sherry: Exactly. >> So it's a little like that process. >> So they end up having very few environments, and their issues with accidentally deleting each other's instances, and their issues about they're getting $150,000 a month bill, and they don't know who spent what. >> It's a pain in the butt. >> Pain in the butt. >> It's expensive. >> Yes. There's no accountability. >> And it takes a lot longer. >> Difficulty. >> Very difficult, there's no accountability. So they surely, the business owners want to see, you know, for a particular project, how much money it takes to develop, to maintain, to deploy, right? And without separate accounts and environments, there's no way of doing that. So we solve that problem, that's one of the examples. >> So you stand up networks, basically? >> Yes, we stand up environments and stand up the network. And the part of Steven mentioned cloud-native is that cloud is actually a different playground, it's a different stack that we believe that requires a new generation of products, innovation. The old, you know, tradition of routers virtualized the putting the cloud is completely unaware of the underlying infrastructure. Remember these cloud providers, they provide underlying infrastructure. You have to play into it in order to be functional. And most of these traditional vendors, they put their stuff all there and even if you configure them, they are completely not functional until you set up the routing table. You know how to do, to view the connectivity to the rest of the environment so that part we take care of that. That's one of the cloud-native. We use the APIs. We use their services to view a scalable solution. >> Timing, timing's everything with the startup. You guy's are coming into this in an interesting time. You've got, you know, sort of getting to the cloud. Amazon a couple of years ago said everything is a virtual private cloud, right? So, I've got to understand VPNs. You've now got IT organizations who are accepting that the public cloud's got to be part of their strategy. Hybrid cloud. I've got to be able to, I could start in the cloud but I want to come back and talk. You guys are kind of coming at this at kind of the right time. And we look at how fast everything's moving here. You then augment that by saying you don't have to just, you know, learn all this new technology, we'll sort of help you with it. We'll make it a SAS service, we'll make it easy to install. Like, talk about, you know, timing, what are the trends that are driving what you guys are doing? >> Yeah, that's a great point, Brian. From the timing perspective, I'd add to that. There's a lot of competition in the public cloud space. >> Brian: Sure. >> With places like Azure and Google really coming on strong. >> Brian: Yeah. >> And our software is cloud-native. That means we've built it for each of those clouds, and allows companies to have a non-lock-in multi-cloud strategy. And because it's been built in with each of those companies' APIs, it actually is much simpler to now scale those networks in the public cloud. >> Brian: Right. >> And so, the timing is really perfect, and we see that there's a lot of interest for scaling new networks. >> Right. What you guys to is sort of, I mean, networking, you know, Sherri and I know this from Cisco days, but it is somewhat fragmented. What you do on the edge of your networks and the core of your networks are very different. You guys aren't getting into the mock of kind of core data center SDN. This is very much, how do I get to the edge of a cloud, how do I get to multiple clouds, how do I keep it secure so there's a security play. Like, who's the buyer? Who's the, you know, what's the thought process? Is it the developers? Is it security teams? Who's, you know, who's your audience. >> Yeah, so our audience are the folks that are either cloud operations or network architect type of individuals. They are looking to leverage the public cloud. >> Brian: Right. >> And so it's true. We don't focus in on the data center 'cause we think that's already been handled to a large degree. >> Brian: Right. But once you start talking about public cloud, it is a different environment. It's a completely new stack. >> Brian: Yeah. >> And so our software is makes that hybrid connectivity as well as end-to-end networking across. >> So the first one was CloudOps. What was the other one? Network operations? >> Network operations, network architects. >> Architects, yeah. >> It's got to be very policy driven, you know, 'cause you could be dealing with an individual person, you could be dealing with a group of people, multiple accounts at a single customer. Like, talk a little bit about how you got to think about policy and what's changing. >> Steven: Yeah. >> In that space. >> So as people started with the cloud, typically it was all a flat network, right? And we see just as in the data center, there was micro-segmentation needing to happen. That's segmentation is taking place very rapidly in the cloud. Therefore, you need to have policies around who can access, and what resources can access which LAN in places, you know? >> Companies like Cisco, these guys, they have existing networks. So it seems that they'd be an obvious choice to go into this area. Is it because they're just so big and you guys are nimble? Or is it the competitive strategy? What's the competitive strike that you guys are making here? >> The traditional network equipment vendors, their model is around instant spaced appliances. And so you can virtualize that software and put in the cloud. The difference, though, with our software is that it's software defined. So it's designed for the cloud. And so our instances understand where it is and use the APIs. So, therefore, it's a full, it's a full network as opposed to just disparate machines that have to be configured manually. >> Sherry: Right. >> And so we're trying to lower the bar just like Docker's democratizing containers, we're looking to democratize the network in the cloud. >> And I think we see a lot of the incumbents sort of want to, they want to slow you down from using the cloud. They'd like you to stay on premise. They'd like you to sort of keep the status quo. You know, you're fighting inertia doing that. We're seeing developers have more say, people want access to resources faster. Like, you guys are part of that trend that say, hey, look, when you want to stop doing the status quo, we're there to help you, you know, help you do that. >> Sherry: Yes, yeah. >> I kind of see the cloud is in the second phase, and that's really, first phase was more about, test and development, fairly uncritical projects, or a ways to experiment. Now that's be proven, so. >> So what's your plan? You've got some cash in the bank. You guys are hiring, I see your startup. Take us through the day in the life. What's the plan for next year? Just keep on building product obviously because of the product market. Any other big plans? Well, we're scaling the organization. We've also, at DockerCon, launched a new product for the community here. We're glad to be part of the Docker Ecosystem, and it's called Project Skyhook. And it solves the problem of allowing developers to access those containers with policy. That's simply missing there today. As you said, Brian, policy is bigger. >> And you guys are targeting the policy aspect specifically. >> Policy user based access with multi-factor authentication. That sounds correct. >> Yeah. So that is actually, so we talked about hybrid cloud. Another big part of our product is actually for the cloud or the internet-borne companies where every resource, everything is in the cloud, but you still need to access them, and you want to access them with, you know, a much stronger security pasture, with a brand new access control, and also provide end to end. Like Brian was mentioning, why is the need for this product? There many needs because of segmentation, because of chargeback, because of the growing presence, because of multi-regions where you want to bring your application to the user. So the environments are actually really increasing, so to view the end to end connectivity from use to end instance is really another big part of our product, it's another big chunk of our customers. Now we're just bringing that access control and policy into containers, which like Steven says, it's completely missing today. >> Well, congratulations. You guys are filling a great void. Thanks for coming on theCUBE hot start up Aviatrix, Steven and Sherry co-founders of Aviatrix. We're here at DockerCon Live talking to all the smartest people we can, from startups to VCs, to the CEO Docker and many more here on theCube, I'm John Furrier with Brian Gracely. You're watching theCUBE. We'll be right back. (gentle music)