>>Live from Orlando, Florida. It's the cube covering Microsoft ignite brought to you by Cohesity. >>Welcome back everyone to the cubes live coverage of Microsoft ignite. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co host to minimun. We are doing joined by Donna Sarkar. She is the advocate lead Microsoft power platform at Microsoft. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you very much for having me. Tai cube land. So tell us a little bit about power platform. It's something we're hearing some buzz about, but we still need the overview. What is it all about? All right, so for years, decades we in the tech industry, you have been on this mission where we say everyone in the world can benefit from learning to code, right? Uh, whether you're a farmer and accountant, a teacher, a lawyer, a doctor, some sort of code will help you do your job better and you'll be able to automate away boring tasks and make apps and websites to solve your business problems. >>Right? We've been saying this forever and soon we started to realize like, why are we asking everyone to learn to code when the end goal is to solve those business problems, right? So instead of learning to code, why not create a suite of low code or no code tools? So all of these people who we call citizen developers who may not be professional developers as in they didn't go to computer science school, they didn't do a coding boot camp. They don't live in visual studio all day. How can they use these low code tools to solve their specific business problems? So that's like the vision of power platform and they're, I would say six independent pillars of it. Um, the first one, the one that most people know is power BI, which is a dashboard to visualize data and you know, um, traction in your business and all of that. >>So that's the one that most of the fortune 500 are like quite familiar with. The second one that I think a lot of people have used, used to be called Microsoft flow. So this is a automation tool where you'd say, if I get an email, send me a text, you know, a kind of a, if this happens, then that happens. It's just a logical tool that connects lots and lots of services in our life together that has been renamed to power automate to focus more on the automation that many businesses have that we actually have not thought about for decades. How do we automate some of these processes that people have to do all the time? Third thing if I could. So of course one of the new announcements this week, power automate is the RPA piece. Yes. Come out there. So I guess it's a suite and this is a new offering as RPA. >>The robotic process automation is how we can, um, do UI automation, which is a huge pain in the neck. Like it's terrible because you say, Oh click box, wait three seconds, wait for this thing to happen. Sleep 10 sec. It is terrible. I've done UI automation, I hate it. UI automation. So much. So RPA, what it does for you is you perform the act actions and the code is generated and it replays. So that is this powerful tool for anyone who has to do any sort of repetitive scan form, scan, form, scan form, you know, sort of thing. So power automate. The third pillar is PowerApps, which I think everyone hears a lot about today, which is um, apps that are generated from whatever data source that you've got. Say you've got an Excel spreadsheet having, and I saw all of your guests are it all tracked in an Excel spreadsheet, right? >>Donna's coming now, Christina is coming next and there's Christina now and imagine you can see them in an app instead. And all of you have this app on your phone, you can say, Oh, what's on the docket for today, right? Donna's showing up at 11 Christina's at 1130 what are the questions we want to ask Donna? Click on the Donna tab, you get all the questions you want to talk to her about, et cetera. So PowerApps is a way to quickly generate an app from a data source without code. We have a whole bunch of templates depending on what you're trying to do. So maybe you're trying to make a gallery of photos or you're trying to make like an expense tool or like a gas mileage tool or whatever you're trying to do that every single business in the world has the same tools, slightly different. >>So the fourth thing is, um, a new announcement called power virtual assist, which is, um, think about it as simplified chatbots, right? Chatbots are everywhere. Uh, the way people think about making them is, Oh, I have to go get Azure cognitive services and learn it deeply and become a AI expert and learn to like speak natural language processing stuff. But in fact, you can build a chat bot in five minutes using power virtual assist, which was fantastic and really cool. And running through all of this is my favorite that I learned a lot about this week, which is called the AI builder. And AI builder is a tool really that brings intelligence to all of these things and makes you feel it kind of a badass. I'm like, Oh, I trained an AI model and deployed it and tested it on stage. That's crazy and cool. And I learned to do that in five minutes and believe you me, I'm not a data scientist. >>So it was a really, really cool set of tools that I personally, even as a pro developer, I'm very excited about. Well, I want to dig into the tools more than what they can do. But I first want to ask you a personal question because you're new to the role. You've been there two weeks. What made you, what was exciting to you about working with power platforms? So I've been at Microsoft for 14 years and I've always been in the windows division and I've always worked in a software engineering function. So always dealing with like C plus plus code comm code, how do we, what product code do we changes, do we make to windows the. And recently I've been realizing that my personal mission that anyone in the world should have my opportunities. It's, that's really important to me. Right? I grew up underserved society in Detroit, Michigan, right? >>I don't, I often feel like I don't deserve this life that I have and I fell into it because of luck and circumstance and I want other people to have these opportunities and not feel that same kind of impostor thing. So I always believe that tech is this, you know, this sword, this weapon that you can wield and it will as you make your way through the world and it creates so many opportunities, right? It, the opera and anyone in the world wants to hire a software engineer. Every company, right? Every company wants to hire devs. It doesn't matter if you're like government or like oil rigs, you want software developers. And I thought, what an amazing economic power and I want lots of people to have that. And lo and behold, I was offered the opportunity to head up a brand new advocacy team for the power platform, um, as part of the Azure advocates organization. >>And I said, Oh, that's amazing to be able to line up my personal passion with a mission in the company that doesn't come along very often. So I love my job. So it's interesting thought. I would love your viewpoint as someone that's been with Microsoft for 14 years, cause I know a lot of the advocacy people and many of them are ones that if you ask them if they would have joined Microsoft five years ago, I'm not sure. Sure. So you know, moving from windows to there. Tell us a little bit about culturally what's different about Microsoft today and you know, much more obviously than just windows. Yeah. Um, I would say that there's three things that are dramatically different. There's a lot of like things that people notice, but three things I think that are just, you can't even argue about it. One, we are definitely a learn it all mindset rather than a nodal where it's actually much better now to say, I do not know. >>Let's go find out, let's go do an experiment and then we'll have an answer. And that's much better than with great confidence saying something wrong. Right. Oh I know this will work for sure. I guarantee you. And then it not working because you're being a know it all rather than the learn it all. So that tolerance is off the charts. It's, it's expected. If you come in with a strong opinion with no sort of experimental data to back it up, that's no longer a good thing right now. People almost are suspicious. Like, really? Why do you, why do you think that? Have you checked it? Have you done the experiment? The second thing is, um, this co-creating with customers before, like you're asking about windows. I've worked on windows five versions and it always went a little like this, right? We as the developers would go and hide in Redmond, Washington for three and a half years and one day we would show up and say, here is your operating system. >>We'll see you in three years, have fun using it by, and then we go off and make another operating system. Right? We didn't stick around to figure out, is this operating system working for you? Are you being successful? What's you're trying to do? Are your customer successful? We just went ahead and made what we thought was next, right? Because we were convinced we knew better. But with windows 10 and every other product at Microsoft, now we actually cocreate with our customers, right? That feedback loop is part of the product cycle where we don't ship a product without having a feedback loop. So we shipped something. How are we getting feedback? What is the time baked in to actually take that feedback and make changes? So that's one thing. It's dramatically different. Um, it used to all be timed to code, product, time to fix bugs. >>That's it. Now it's code product, listen to customer feedback, fixed bugs from customers. That's it. So it dramatically shorten the amount of time it took to build an operating system because we don't need to make a three year long product. Instead we make like a six month long product. And when I ran the windows insider program, we were testing windows every week, right? Twice a week we're rolling out versions of windows to millions of people and getting their feedback in real time. And the third thing I'd say that's been a dramatic transformation is this inclusivity of not just different kinds of, you know, race in the city, but work styles, the kinds of businesses we do work with. Like we're a, we do Linux now, right? We do eggs. Um, our platform itself pulls from all sorts of data sources. We don't just say we only pull from Microsoft tech. >>Like if you have Excel, if you have access, if you have Azure, if you've sequel, we support you and everyone else go the heck away. No, we're, we're saying whatever data source you've got, we don't care. We'll build you a power app based on your data source. Bring your whole self to work, right? It's that bring your whole self to a work mindset that I think has permeated just across the company and a chosen our products. So you were talking about this feedback loop and I'm interested because these, these, the power platform was rolled out into 2018 we haven't seen any major revenue yet, but Microsoft sees a ton of promise here. So what was the customer feedback you were given in terms of these updates that you've just announced here at ignite and what were customers demanding, wanting, needing from these platforms, these, these, these tools? >>Well, there's been a few things. One, um, the uptake in power platform, especially power apps is the fastest growth of any business app in Microsoft history. Um, in the last like just two years we've reached 84% of the fortune 500 are running power. Now. That's kind of wild, right? When you think these are normally traditional companies who can be quite conservative, but they've got people, whether it's an it, it's a citizen dove or a PRODA, they're actually building power apps to supplement their business needs, right? So it's been just astronomical growth, which is fantastic. Um, and the feedback from this group is actually what dictates all of the changes we've been making. So one of the key things a lot of people said was we just adopted teams like last year, right? Our company adopted teams, we're all in on teams. All of our communication like realtime has done on teams, but power platform is not with teams. >>What's, what's the deal with that? Right? So the par platform dev team engineering team actually went and figured out how can you have a teams channel, how can you build a power plant, a power app, and then share that power app within your teams specifically. So say the three of us are working on a teams channel and I make a Oh, track your attendees app, the one we're talking about, I can share it within the teams itself and we can just see it from within the team's window. So it'll run within the teams window. Um, we can just deploy it to our phones as well. And with the same team's credentials as we're working, that applies to the app as well. So that's something that just rolled out this week as direct feedback from people who say we're, we want an on the latest and greatest. And that means teams. That's one means SharePoint online. That means our platform. That means all the things now. >>Yeah. So Donna, one of the things I love that you talked about is it doesn't take months to get started on this. So many announcements that you talked through all the six pillars and everything. For those people out there seeing what's new, give them some final tips as to how they should get started with, with the power platform family. >>I would say that um, one of the best things you can do is just get your hands on it, right? Stop reading about it. Stop looking at the announcements. Just get your hands on it. Because I was at first reading all these blog posts trying to understand CDs, power platform, AI builder, all this stuff. Stop. Just don't do it. The best thing to do is to go get on Microsoft learn. There's a start, a starter tutorial called canvas apps for power platform. Um, and go do the tutorial. All it does is it deploys an Excel spreadsheet to your personal machine or your personal one drive, whatever it is and using that, it's just carpet, right? It's like black carpet, white carpet and shows pictures of carpet and then you generate a power app. And it shows it in a gallery view on an app that you just see on your computer and then you deploy it to your phone. >>All it does is show you the power of an Excel spreadsheet converted into an app. So I've created a short URL for it just to make life easier for everyone. So it's AKA dot. Ms power up, super straight forward, super simple. And I talk about this tutorial all the time, not because I think it's the best tutorial that's ever existed, but for someone who has absolutely no idea and they're feeling intimidated to start, this is exactly the right thing to do because this tutorial, I am not kidding you both of you can do it in five minutes. Like on the next break. Once you're finished with me and Christina, I challenge you to do the tutorial. All right? Okay. Challenge accepted. One, one final thing. So you are known for this Ted talk that you gave Unimpossible syndrome earlier in this, in our conversation you said you fell into this like, Oh absolutely, you've gotten lucky, but yet you're a smart woman. >>Talk about imposter syndrome. And then and then give your best advice for the young people out there and an old people to frankly who are suffering. Imposter syndrome is a killer because it is a disease that is a global epidemic. It's not. Some people think it's a woman's problem, it's a people of color problem. No, it's not. It's an everyone problem. Every time I give this talk, the Ted audience was thousands of people. I would say about 70% men and when I asked how many of you feel these symptoms? Hands are up. 70% of people, and this was men too, who feel like I got here. You know the thoughts are usually I got here by accident. It was dumb luck. There's a mistake in the process. I slipped in under the radar any minute. Now someone's going to show up here and say, you don't belong here. >>Get out or someone's going to check my credentials or ask me like, how do you think you're as good as the people around you? Or why are you qualified to speak on this topic? Right? People are convinced this is going to happen. Like, almost everyone is convinced and it's wild. And I've realized the reason that happens is because we are not used to doing that thing yet. That's it. We don't imposter about the things we do every day. You don't imposter about being in camera on front of the camera in front of everyone because you do it all the time and you've gotten good reviews and obviously people come to talk to you. But if tomorrow I was to be like you and I are going to write office abs, you may say, ah, I don't think I'm qualified to do that. I don't know if you are or not. >>I'm just making stuff up at this point. Um, and you may say, I am not qualified to do that. And the reason you say that is because you've never done it before. Why would you be qualified to do that? It's like me trying to be qualified to ride a unicycle, right? Which I can't. So my advice to people who feels this, well I don't feel like I belong here, is break it down right into steps, debug this process and say, all right, there are parts of this process that I feel qualified to do and there's parts I do not feel qualified to do. What are they? So from my own example, I absolutely do not feel qualified to lead an advocacy team for power platform. Right. I said, I joined this team two weeks ago. I just learned about this product last year. How am I qualified to lead advocacy for this? >>So I had to break it down and I said, what? What am I feeling and posturing about? Is it leading advocacy? No, I did it for windows. I did it for hollow lens. I do know how to do that. Is it speaking in front of lots of people? Not really. I do that all the time. Is it writing content so others can learn? Not really. I do that all the time. Is it the product? Yes, it's the product. It's the, I don't feel like I know the ins and outs of the product that well. So if you were to ask me where exactly is the connector for, you know, Azure sequeled or PowerApps, I would just freeze. Like I do not know. I think it's in the Azure portal somewhere, somewhere. So I would feel that sense of imposter and like, Oh, I don't know. >>So I don't belong here. It's no, I just don't know the product that well. That's okay. I know advocacy well, so what I need to do now is identify things. I'm good at advocacy things. I'm not good at product, learn the product. That's it. It just becomes a really easy to do list or to learn list. Right. Learn it all mindset, not know it all. Mindset. I love it. Thank you so much. Thank you is a really terrific conversation. Wonderful. Thanks for having me. I'm Rebecca Knight for Stu Miniman. 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>> Announcer: Live from Orlando, Florida it's theCUBE! Covering Microsoft Ignite, brought to you by Cohesity. >> Hello, and happy taco Tuesday CUBE viewers! You are watching theCUBE's live coverage of Microsoft's Ignite here in Orlando, Florida. I'm your host Rebecca Knight, along with Stu Miniman. We're joined by Scott Hanselman, he is the partner program manager at Microsoft. Thank you so much for coming on theCUBE! >> Absolutely, my pleasure! >> Rebecca: And happy taco Tuesday to you! Will code for tacos. >> Will code for tacos. >> I'm digging it, I'm digging it >> I'm a very inexpensive coder. >> So you are the partner program manager, but you're really the people's programmer at Microsoft. Satya Nadella up on the main stage yesterday, talking about programming for everyone, empowering ordinary citizen developers, and you yourself were on the main stage this morning, "App Development for All", why is this such a priority for Microsoft at this point in time? >> Well there's the priority for Microsoft, and then I'll also speak selfishly as a priority for me, because when we talk about inclusion, what does that really mean? Well it is the opposite of exclusion. So when we mean inclusion, we need to mean everyone, we need to include everyone. So what can we do to make technology, to make programming possible, to make everyone enabled, whether that be something like drag and drop, and PowerApps, and the Power platform, all the way down to doing things like we did in the keynote this morning with C# on a tiny micro-controller, and the entire spectrum in between, whether it be citizen programmers in Excel using Power BI to go and do machine learning, or the silly things that we did in the keynote with rock, paper scissors that we might be able to talk about. All of that means including everyone and if the site isn't accessible, if Visual Studio as a tool isn't accessible, if you're training your AI in a non-ethical way, you are consciously excluding people. So back to what Satya thinks is why can't everyone do this? SatyaSacha thinks is why can't everyone do this? Why are we as programmers having any gate keeping, or you know, "You can't do that you're not a programmer, "you know, I'm a programmer, you can't have that." >> So what does the future look like, >> Rebecca: So what does the future look like, if everyone knows how to do it? I mean, do some imagining, visioning right now about if everyone does know how to do this, or at least can learn the building blocks for it, what does technology look like? >> Well hopefully it will be ethical, and it'll be democratized so that everyone can do it. I think that the things that are interesting, or innovative today will become commoditized tomorrow, like, something as simple as a webcam detecting your face, and putting a square around it and then you move around, and the square, we were like, "Oh my God, that was amazing!" And now it's just a library that you can download. What is amazing and interesting today, like AR and VR, where it's like, "Oh wow, I've never seen augmented reality work like that!" My eight-year-old will be able to do it in five years, and they'll be older than eight. >> So Scott, one of the big takeaways I had from the app dev keynote that you did this morning was in the past it was trying to get everybody on the same page, let's move them to our stack, let's move them to our cloud, let's move them on this programming language, and you really talked about how the example of Chipotle is different parts of the organization will write in a different language, and there needs to be, it's almost, you know, that service bus that you have between all of these environments, because we've spent, a lot of us, I know in my career I've spent decades trying to help break down those silos, and get everybody to work together, but we're never going to have everybody doing the same jobs, so we need to meet them where they are, they need to allow them to use the tools, the languages, the platforms that they want, but they need to all be able to work together, and this is not the Microsoft that I grew up with that is now an enabler of that environment. The word we keep coming back to is trust at the keynote. I know there's some awesome, cool new stuff about .net which is a piece of it, but it's all of the things together. >> Right, you know I was teaching a class at Mesa Community College down in San Diego a couple of days ago and they were trying, they were all people who wanted jobs, just community college people, I went to community college and it's like, I just want to know how to get a job, what is the thing that I can do? What language should I learn? And that's a tough question. They wonder, do I learn Java, do I learn C#? And someone had a really funny analogy, and I'll share it with you. They said, well you know English is the language, right? Why don't the other languages just give up? They said, you know, Finland, they're not going to win, right? Their language didn't win, so they should just give up, and they should all speak English, and I said, What an awful thing! They like their language! I'm not going to go to people who do Haskell, or Rust, or Scala, or F#, and say, you should give up! You're not going to win because C won, or Java won, or C# won. So instead, why don't we focus on standards where we can inter-operate, where we can accept that the reality is a hybrid cloud things like Azure Arc that allows us to connect multiple clouds, multi-vendor clouds together. That is all encompassing the concept of inclusion, including everyone means including every language, and as many standards as you can. So it might sound a little bit like a Tower of Babel, but we do have standards and the standards are HTTP, REST, JSON, JavaScript. It may not be the web we deserve, but it's the web that we have, so we'll use those building block technologies, and then let people do their own thing. >> So speaking of the keynote this morning, one of the cool things you were doing was talking about the rock, paper, scissors game, and how it's expanding. Tell our viewers a little bit more about the new elements to rock, paper, scissors. >> So folks named Sam Kass, a gentleman named Sam Kass many, many years ago on the internet, when the internet was much simpler web pages, created a game called Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock, and a lot of people will know that from a popular TV show on CBS, and they'll give credit to that show, in fact it was Sam Kass and Karen Bryla who created that, and we sent them a note and said, "Hey can I write a game about this?" And we basically built a Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock game in the cloud containerized at scale with multiple languages, and then we also put it on a tiny device, and what's fun about the game from a complexity perspective is that rock, paper, scissors is easy. There's only three rules, right? Paper covers rock, which makes no sense, but when you have five, it's hard! Spock shoots the Rock with his phaser, and then the lizard poisons Spock, and the paper disproves, and it gets really hard and complicated, but it's also super fun and nerdy. So we went and created a containerized app where we had all different bots, we had node, Python, Java, C#, and PHP, and then you can say, I'm going to pick Spock and .net, or node and paper, and have them fight, and then we added in some AI, and some machine learning, and some custom vision such that if you sign in with Twitter in this game, it will learn your patterns, and try to defeat you using your patterns and then, clicking on your choices and fun, snd then, clicking on your choices and fun, because we all want to go, "Rock, Paper, Scissors shoot!" So we made a custom vision model that would go, and detect your hand or whatever that is saying, this is Spock and then it would select it and play the game. So it was just great fun, and it was a lot more fun than a lot of the corporate demos that you see these days. >> All right Scott, you're doing a lot of different things at the show here. We said there's just a barrage of different announcements that were made. Love if you could share some of the things that might have flown under the radar. You know, Arc, everyone's talking about, but some cool things or things that you're geeking out on that you'd want to share with others? >> Two of the things that I'm most excited, one is an announcement that's specific to Ignite, and one's a community thing, the announcement is that .net Core 3.1 is coming. .net Core 3 has been a long time coming as we have began to mature, and create a cross platform open source .net runtime, but .net Core 3.1 LTS Long Term Support means that that's a version of .net core that you can put on a system for three years and be supported. Because a lot of people are saying, "All this open source is moving so fast! "I just upgraded to this, "and I don't want to upgrade to that". LTS releases are going to happen every November in the odd numbered years. So that means 2019, 2021, 2023, there's going to be a version of .net you can count on for three years, and then if you want to follow that train, the safe train, you can do that. In the even numbered years we're going to come out with a version of .net that will push the envelope, maybe introduce a new version of C#, it'll do something interesting and new, then we tighten the screws and then the following year that becomes a long term support version of .net. >> A question for you on that. One of the challenges I hear from customers is, when you talk about hybrid cloud, they're starting to get pulled apart a little bit, because in the public cloud, if I'm running Azure, I'm always on the latest version, but in my data center, often as you said, I want longer term support, I'm not ready to be able to take that CICD push all of the time, so it feels like I live, maybe call it bimodal if you want, but I'm being pulled with the am I always on the latest, getting the latest security, and it's all tested by them? Or am I on my own there? How do you help customers with that, when Microsoft's developing things, how do you live in both of those worlds or pull them together? >> Well, we're really just working on this idea of side-by-side, whether it be different versions of Visual Studio that are side-by-side, the stable one that your company is paying for, and then the preview version that you can go have side-by-side, or whether you could have .net Core 3, 3.1, or the next version, a preview version, and a safe version side-by-side. We want to enable people to experiment without fear of us messing up their machine, which is really, really important. >> One of the other things you were talking about is a cool community announcement. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? >> So this is a really cool product from a very, very small company out of Oregon, from a company called Wilderness Labs, and Wilderness Labs makes a micro-controller, not a micro-processor, not a raspberry pie, it doesn't run Linux, what it runs is .net, so we're actually playing Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock on this device. We've wired it all up, this is a screen from our friends at Adafruit, and I can write .net, so somehow if someone is working at, I don't know, the IT department at Little Debbie Snack Cakes, and they're making WinForms applications, they're suddenly now an IOT developer, 'cause they can go and write C# code, and control a device like this. And when you have a micro-controller, this will run for weeks on a battery, not hours. You go and 3D print a case, make this really tiny, it could become a sensor, it could become an IOT device, or one of thousands of devices that could check crops, check humidity, moisture wetness, whatever you want, and we're going to enable all kinds of things. This is just a commodity device here, this screen, it's not special. The actual device, this is the development version, size of my finger, it could be even smaller if we wanted to make it that way, and these are our friends at Wilderness Labs. and they had a successful Kickstarter, and I just wanted to give them a shout out, and I just wanted to give them a shoutout, I don't have any relationship with them, I just think they're great. >> Very cool, very cool. So you are a busy guy, and as Stu said, you're in a lot of different things within Microsoft, and yet you still have time to teach at community college. I'm interested in your perspective of why you do that? Why do you think it's so important to democratize learning about how to do this stuff? >> I am very fortunate and I think that we people, who have achieved some amount of success in our space, need to recognize that luck played a factor in that. That privilege played a factor in that. But, why can't we be the luck for somebody else, the luck can be as simple as a warm introduction. I believe very strongly in what I call the transitive value of friendship, so if we're friends, and you're friends, then the hypotenuse can be friends as well. A warm intro, a LinkedIn, a note that like, "Hey, I met this person, you should talk to them!" Non-transactional networking is really important. So I can go to a community college, and talk to a person that maybe wanted to quit, and give a speech and give them, I don't know, a week, three months, six months, more whatever, chutzpah, moxie, something that will keep them to finish their degree and then succeed, then I'm going to put good karma out into the world. >> Paying it forward. >> Exactly. >> So Scott, you mentioned that when people ask for advice, it's not about what language they do, is to, you know, is to,q you know, we talk in general about intellectual curiosity of course is good, being part of a community is a great way to participate, and Microsoft has a phenomenal one, any other tips you'd give for our listeners out there today? >> The fundamentals will never go out of style, and rather than thinking about learning how to code, why not think about learning how to think, and learning about systems thinking. One of my friends, Kishau Rogers, talked about systems thinking, I've hade her on my podcast a number of times, and we were giving a presentation at Black Girls Code, and I was talking to a fifteen-year-old young woman, and we were giving a presentation. It was clear that her mom wanted her to be there, and she's like, "Why are we here?" And I said, "All right, let's talk about programming "everybody, we're talking about programming. "My toaster is broken and the toast is not working. "What do you think is wrong?" Big, long, awkward pause and someone says, "Well is the power on?" I was like, "Well, I plugged a light in, "and nothing came on" and they were like, "Well is the fuse blown?" and then one little girl said "Well did the neighbors have power?", And I said, "You're debugging, we are debugging right?" This is the thing, you're a systems thinker, I don't know what's going on with the computer when my dad calls, I'm just figuring it out like, "Oh, I'm so happy, you work for Microsoft, "you're able to figure it out." >> Rebecca: He has his own IT guy now in you! >> Yeah, I don't know, I unplug the router, right? But that ability to think about things in the context of a larger system. I want toast, power is out in the neighborhood, drawing that line, that makes you a programmer, the language is secondary. >> Finally, the YouTube videos. Tell our viewers a little bit about those. you can go to D-O-T.net, so dot.net, the word dot, you can go to d-o-t.net, so dot.net, the word dot, slash videos and we went, and we made a 100 YouTube videos on everything from C# 101, .net, all the way up to database access, and putting things in the cloud. A very gentle, "Mr. Rodgers' Neighborhood" on-ramp. A lot of things, if you've ever seen that cartoon that says, "Want to draw an owl? "Well draw two circles, "and then draw the rest of the fricking owl." A lot of tutorials feel like that, and we don't want to do that, you know. We've got to have an on-ramp before we get on the freeway. So we've made those at dot.net/videos. >> Excellent, well that's a great plug! Thank you so much for coming on the show, Scott. >> Absolutely my pleasure! >> I'm Rebecca Knight, for Stu Miniman., stay tuned for more of theCUBE's live coverage of Microsoft Ignite. (upbeat music)

>> Narrator: Live from Las Vegas, it's The Cube! Covering Informatica World 2018. Brought to you by Informatica. >> Welcome back, everyone. We're live here in Las Vegas at the Venetian. This is Informatica World 2018. This is The Cube's exclusive coverage. I'm John Furrier, cohost of The Cube, with Peter Burris, my cohost for the past two days. Wall-to-wall coverage. Our next two guests are Ronen Schwartz, SVP's Junior Vice President, General Manager, Big Data Cloud, and Data Integration for Informatica; and John MacIntyre, who's the product management for Azure Sequel Data Warehouse with Microsoft. Part of the big news this morning on the keynote is the relationship between Microsoft Azure Cloud and Informatica. Welcome back, welcome to The Cube! Thanks for coming! >> Yeah, it's good to be here. >> So great to have you guys on, we were looking forward to this interview all morning, all day. We heard about the rumor of the news. Let's jump into it. But I want you to highlight the relationship, how you guys got here, because it's not just news, it's not just an announcement. There's actually code, shipping, product integration, push button, console, it's cloud, it's real cloud, hyper cloud. >> John: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> It's a real product. >> John M.: Absolutely. >> Yeah, definitely, this is correct and I do want to encourage the audience to go directly to the Azure environment, try SQL Data Warehouse and try to load as much data as possible, leverage the Informatica intelligent cloud services. It is, as you said, available today. >> Okay, so explain the product. Let's say you got the Informatica intelligent cloud services on Azure. What is the specific product? Take us through specifically what's happening and what is the impact to customers? >> So if you are a customer and you're looking to get agility, you want to get scale, you want to enjoy the benefits of cloud data warehouse, one of the first barriers that you have is how do I get my data into these new amazing capabilities that I can achieve in the cloud. And I think with this announcement we're simplifying that process and making it really streamlined. From within the same place that you start your new data warehouse, in one click you're actually coming to the strongest IPES that exists in the market and you are able to choose your data source and actually decide what data do you want to move and then in a very simple process, move that data into Azure SQL Data Warehouse. >> John, talk about the ease of use, because one of the things that pops in my head when I think about data is, man it's a pain in the butt. I got to do all this stuff, I got to get it off a storage drive, I got to upload it, I got to set it on a drive, FedEx the drive, whatever. Cloud has to be console based. Talk about that aspect of this deal. >> Well I think, John, you know one of the things that you'll hear from Microsoft is that we want to build the most productive cloud available for customers and when we look at it as Ronen was saying, excuse me, we move data, we get data connected into the Azure cloud and how do we do that in a push button way and so what you'll see through the integration that we've done is that all the way through single sign on, that you can just push a button, build that pipeline, get that data flowing from your on-premises environment and get that into the Azure SQL Data Warehouse with just pushing a few buttons and so what we see is customers are able to really accelerate their migration and movement to the cloud through that productivity. >> And how long has it been in the works for? You guys just didn't meet yesterday and did product integration. Talk about the relationship with Informatica. >> Yeah, we've been working with Informatica for years. Informatica's been a great partner and so we started working on this integration, I think, probably over a year ago and really envisioning what we could do for customers. How do we take all of the really great capabilities that Informatica brings to customers and connect those to the Azure cloud. One of the things that we believe for customers is that customers will live in a hybrid world, at least for some foreseeable time and so how do we enable customers to live in that world, to have their data spread across that world, and get all the lineage, governance, and data management capabilities that you need as an enterprise in this world and that's one of the great things that Informatica brings to the table here. >> And Microsoft, your ethos too is also your, seems to be and you can confirm this if it's true or not, to be open for data portability. >> John M.: Yeah. >> Certainly, GDPR has certainly a huge signal to the market that look, no one's going to fool around with this. Data's at the center of the value proposition. It has to move around. >> That's right. And so when we think about data, data interoperability, data portability, recently we introduced Azure Databricks as a GA service on Azure and so we've already done data interoperability across our relational data warehouse products as well as the Databricks products, so Spark and Spark runtimes can interoperate and have data access with the relational warehouse and the relational warehouse can load into Spark Clusters and so we see this giving customers the freedom to move their data and have their data in places that they need them as critical for them to be successful. >> Ronen, let me just get specific on the news here a second. The product is GA or preview, or? >> The product is in preview and it will be fully GA'd in the Q3 time frame, hopefully the middle toward the end of Q3. Customer can start experiencing with the product today and they will actually see us adding more and more capabilities to this experience even before the GA. >> What are some of the things the customers have been asking for? I know you guys do a lot of work on the product side with the customers so I want to ask the requirements that you guys put together on defining this product. What were some of things that were their pain points that you're solving and was it the ease of use, was it part of the plan of enterprise cataloging? Where did you guys come down when you did your PRD, or your requirements and all this stuff? >> So we've been working with customers and with partners for the last few years over their journey to adopt cloud and I think what we've seen is part of the challenges of adopting cloud was where do I start? How do I figure out what data should I move to the cloud first? What is actually going to be impacted by me doing this? One impact you touch which is security and privacy. Am I putting something in risk? Am I following the company policies? But other things is like, what other system are depending on this data to exist here and so when I move to the cloud, am I actually changing my overall enterprise data architecture? Where Informatica have been focusing, especially with the new catalog capabilities is in really giving the enterprise the full picture of the data. If data is the most important asset that you have, we're actually trying to map it for you, including impact analysis, including relationship dependencies. What we're trying to simplify is actually choosing the right data to move to the cloud and actually dealing with rest of the impact that is happening when you're adopting cloud fast. I think cloud is bringing an amazing premise. We want to make it really, really easy. This latest announcement is actually touching the experience itself, how can a customer go from starting a new data warehouse to bringing the data to the data warehouse. I think we are now making it even simpler than ever before. >> So one of the challenges that enterprises have overall is that they're so few people who really understand how to build these pipelines, how to administer these pipelines. Data scientists are not, the numbers are not growing fast. Microsoft also is an enormously powerful ecosystem itself. Do you anticipate that by doing IICS in this relationship way that your developers can actually start incorporating higher, more complex, more higher value data services in a simple way so that they can start putting it into their applications and reduce the need for those really smart people at large and small companies? >> I mean, I think what we want to get to is this notion of self-service data. And to Ronen's point, but that data has to be governed, that data has to be protected, you need to know that you can trust that data, you can trust the source of that data, (coughs) excuse me, you know that you can make decisions from that data, but we hear from customers is they really want IT and these specialists to get out of the way of the business. And so they want to enable their workforce to actually do data production, to say I can create a data set that I can actually make decisions around. I know the lineage of that data set, I know the quality of that data set, and I know where it's appropriate to go use that data set. It could be for data science. It could be for a data engineer to go pick up and use for another pipeline, or it could be for a business analyst. But I think with this partnership, what we're really focusing on is how do we accelerate that productivity for those people who are discovering the data, managing the data, and then those that can then build these data streams and build these data sets that can be consumed inside an organization. Now I think to your point, once we do that, we believe that we will see a proliferation of analysis and higher level advanced analytics on top of that data. What we're hearing from customers is the challenge isn't necessarily getting machine enlargening services up and running or doing advanced analytics or building models and training models. Yes there is a narrow set of people that go and do that, but inordinately what we hear is that customers are spending the bulk of their time, shaping, managing that data, wrangling that data, getting that data in a form that it can actually be consumed and I think this partnership-- >> A lot of prep work. >> Yeah, a ton of prep work. >> Talk about the dynamic. We've been hearing on The Cube here, certainly, and also out in the industry, that 80% of the time spent managing all this stuff, you guys have a value proposition of caching all the metadata so you can get a clear view and customers, we had Toyota on earlier, said we had all the data, we just actually made all these mistakes because we didn't connect it all. What you guys are doing, coming from Ronen, you're going to bring all of the Microsoft tools to the table now, so I'm a customer, the benefit to me is I get to leverage the power, BI stuff or whatever is coming down the pipe, whatever tools you have in your ecosystem, on-prem and also in the cloud, is that? >> Absolutely and so things like PowerApps going to be an ability with no code, low code experiences to actually go build intelligent applications, build things like sales oriented applications, recruiting oriented applications, and leverage that data, that is really what we want to unlock for enterprises and for data professionals. >> What do you think the time will be, just ballpark, ballpark order of magnitude, time to, that you're going to save on the setup? If 80% is industry benchmark people throwing around, but say 80% is wrangling setup, 20% analysis. What do you guys see the impact with something like the intelligent cloud service with Azure? >> Ronen, you can speak to what you're seeing already from some of the customers, but I think even from what we saw this morning in the keynote, we're cutting down the time dramatically in terms of, from identifying what data has value and then actually getting that, moving into Azure, what you saw in less than 10 minutes today would take days if not weeks to actually get done without these tools-- >> So significant number, big number? >> John M.: Yeah, absolutely. >> And I think there are actually two parts to people going through the adoption. One is the technology of moving the data, but the other one that is even, I think, a bigger barrier and sometimes even more important is can I actually just discover and identify the data and can I actually get all the metadata needed so that I can get the approval or I can get personally comfortable with the data that I'm choosinng. I think this cost now is actually being eliminated and that is actually going to allow more people to consume more data even faster, but I do agree that I think the demo speaks better than anything else, got a lot of good-- >> John F.: A few clicks and you're there, got some great props on Twitter, saw some great tweets. The question that begs next is now that I got a pipeline and automating, all this stuff's going on, console based and cataloging all this great stuff, AI, machine learning involved, where, is there, did you guys put the secret sauce in some of the tech? I mean, can you share what's under the hood at all? (laughs) Or is that the secret sauce? >> So, I can not steal some of the demos of tomorrow, but I think you will-- >> Yes you can. (laughs) >> Come on, tell us. >> But I think you will see an interesting AI driven interface-- >> That's a yes. >> From Microsoft working very interestingly with the catalog to drive intelligence to the users, so we will definitely demo it tomorrow on stage. >> John F.: So that's a yes. >> Yes, the answer is yes. >> But I want to build on this because I asked a question about whether or not developers are going to get access to this. If I have a platform that allows me to build very, very complex, but very rich, in a simple way, pipelines to data, I have a catalog that allows me to discover data, sustain knowledge about that data as the data changes over time, and I have a very simple way of setting that up and running it through an Azure cloud experience, can I anticipate that over time certain conventions for how data gets established, gets set up, organized, formats, all that other stuff, starts to emerge as a combination of this partnership so that developers can go into an account and say, okay so we're going to do this for you, oh, you have customer data, you have this data, I want to be able to grab that and make it part of my application. Isn't that where this goes over time? >> Yes, yes, in a very substantive way. I think we're also looking at it from, you'll have stay tuned on the Microsoft side, but we're working towards looking at data entities, business entities, and how do we enrich those entities and to your point, where do they get enriched in that data pipeline and then how do they get consumed and how do they get consumed in a way where we're expressing the data model, the schema, the lineage, and all of these things in a way that's very discoverable for those consuming that data, so they understand where it's coming from so that people, so we look at this partnership in terms of getting that data, getting that data more enriched, and getting that data more consumable in a standard way for application developers. Again, it could be those building intelligent applications, it could be those building business applications and there's a whole set of tools-- >> Or some as-yet-undefined class of applications that are made possible because it's easier to find the data, acknowledge the data, use the data. >> John M.: Yeah, absolutely. >> If we had more time, I'd love to drill down on the future with Microservices, containers, Kubernetes, all the cool stuff that's going on around cloud native. I'm sure there's a lot of head room there from a developer standpoint. Final question is, extending the partnership. Is there a go to market together? Are you guys taking it to the field? What's the relationship with Microsoft, your ecosystem, your developers, your customers, and Informatica? >> Yeah, we're doing a lot of joint go-to-market. Today already we've been doing a lot all the way up to this announcement and I think you'll see that increase based on this announcement. I don't know if Ronen you want to talk about specific things we're doing. >> Yeah, I think the success with the customer is already there and there is actually a really nice list of customers here that are mutual customer of ours doing exactly these scenarios. We'll make it easier for them to do it from now on. >> Yep. >> From a go-to-market perspective, we have a really nice go-to-market motion where the sales teams are actually getting aligned. The new visible integration will make it even easier for them. >> Yeah, this really hits a lot of the sweet spot, multi-cloud, hybrid cloud, truly data-driven, ease of use, getting up and running. Congratulations, Ronen, great job. John, great to see you. Here inside The Cube, putting all the data, packing it, sharing it out over the airwaves and over the Internet. Just The Cube, I'm John Furrier, Peter Burris, thanks for watching. Back with more live coverage. Stay with us for more coverage here at Informatica World 2018, live in Las Vegas. 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