>> Live from London, England, it's The Cube covering .NEXT conference Europe 2018. Brought to you by Nutanix. >> Welcome back to London, England. This is The Cube's coverage of Nutanix .NEXT 2018. 3,500 people gathered to listen to Sunil Potti. >> Thanks, Stu. >> For the keynote this morning, Sunil's the chief product and development officer with Nutanix. Glad we moved things around, Sunil, 'cause we know events, lots of things move, keynotes sometimes go long, but happy to have you back on the program. >> No, likewise, anytime. >> All right, so, I've been to a few of these and one of the things I hope you walk us through a little bit. So Nutanix, simplicity is always at its core. I have to say, it's taken me two or three times hearing the new, the broad portfolio, the spectrum, and then I've got the core, I've got essentials, I've got enterprise. I think it's starting to sink in for me, but it'll probably take people a little bit of time, so maybe let's start there. >> I mean, I think one of the biggest things that happened with mechanics is that we went from a few products just twelve months ago to over ten products within the span of a year. And both internally as well as externally, while the product values are obviously obvious, so it's more the consumption within our own sales teams, channel teams, as well as our customer base, needed to be codified into something that could be a journey of adoption. So we took it customer inwards, in about a journey that a customer goes through in adopting services in a world of multi-cloud, and before that, before you get to multi-cloud, you have to build a private cloud that is genuine, as we know. And before we do that, we have to re-platform your data center using HCI, so that's really if you work backwards to that, you start with core, which is your HCI platform for modernizing your data center and then you expand to a cloud platform for every workload, and then you can be in a position to actually leverage your multi-cloud services. >> Yeah, and I like that. I mean, start with the customer first, is where you have and I mean the challenge is, you know, every customer is a little bit different. You know, one of the biggest critiques of, you know, you say, okay, what is a private cloud? because they tend to be snowflakes. Every one's a little bit different and we have a little bit of trouble understanding where it is, or did it melt all over the floor. So give us a little bit of insight into that and help us through those stages, the dirty, the crawl-walk-run. >> Yeah, I think the biggest thing everyone has to understand here is that these are not discrete moving parts. Core is obviously your starting point of leveraging computer storage in a software defined way. The way that Amazon launched with EC2 and S3, right. But then, every service that you consume on top of public cloud still leverages computer storage. So in that sense, essentials is a bunch of additional services such as self-service, files, and so forth, but you still need the core to build on essential, to build a private cloud And then from there onwards, you can choose other services, but you're still leveraging the core constructs. So in that sense, I think, both architecturally as well as from a product perspective, as well as architecturally from a packaging perspective, that's why they're synergistic in the way that things have rolled out. >> Okay, so looking at that portfolio. A lot of the customers I work with now, they don't start out in a data center, they've already moved past that, right? So they are leveraging a partner, the public cloud, they might not even be running virtual machines at all anymore. How does that fit into your portfolio? >> Yeah, I mean, increasingly what we are realizing, and you know, we've done this over the last couple of years, is for example, with Calm, you can only use Calm to manage your public clouds without even managing your private cloud of Nutanix. Increasingly with every new service that we're building out, we're doing it so that people don't have to pay the strategy tax off the stack. It needs to be done by a desire of I want to do it versus I need to do it. So, with Frame, you can get going on AWS in any region in an instant or Azure. You don't need to use any Nutanix software. Same thing with Epoch, with Beam. So I think as a company, what we're essentially all about is about saying let us give you a cloud, service-like experience, maybe workload-centric. If it is desktops and so forth. Or if you are going to be at some point reaching a stage where you have to re-platform your data center to look like a public cloud, then we have the core, try and call it platform itself that'll help you get there as well. >> So, looking at re-platforming that data center. If I were to do that now for a customer I wouldn't be looking at virtual machines, storage, networking, I'd be looking at containers or serverless or you know, the new stuff. Again, what is Nutanix's answer to that? >> Yeah, I mean, I think what we've found is that there's quite a bit of an option, obviously, of cloud-native ads, but when it comes to mainstream budget allocation, it's still a relative silo in terms of mainstream enterprise consumption. So what we're finding out is that if you could leverage your well-known cloud platform to not create another silo for Kubernetes, don't create another silo for Edge or whatever the new use-cases are, but treat them as an extension of your core platform. At least from a manageability perspective and an operations perspective, then the chances of you adopting or your enterprise adopting these new technologies becomes higher. So, for example, in Calm, we have this pseudonym called Kalm with a K, right. Which essentially allows Kubernetes containers to run natively inside a Calm blueprint, but coexist with your databases inside of EM because that's how we see the next-generation enterprise apps morphing, right. Nobody's going to rewrite my whole app. They're going to maybe start with the web tier and the app tier as containers, but my database tier, my message queue tier, is going to be as VMs. So, how does Calm help you abstract the combination of containers and VMs into a common blueprint is what we believe is the first step towards what we call a hybrid app. And when you get to hybrid apps, is when you can actually then get to eventually all of your time to native cloud apps. >> You know, one of the questions I was hearing from customers is, they were looking for some clarity as to the hybrid environments. You know, the last couple of shows, there was a big presence of Google at the show and while I didn't see Google here on the show floor, I know there was an update from kind of, GCP and AHV. Is Google less strategic now, or is it just taking a while to, you know, incubate? How do you feel about that? >> So the way that you'll see us evolve as we navigate the cloud partnerships is to actually find the sweet spot of product-market fit, with respect to where the product is ready and where the market really wants that. And some of it is going to be us doing, you know, a partnership by intent first and then as we execute, we try to land it with honest products. So, where we started off with Google, as you guys know, is to actually leverage the cloud platform side, core locator with Google data centers and then what we we've evolved to is the fact that our data centers can quote-unquote integrate with their data centers to have a common management interface, a common security interface and all, but we can still run as core-located ones. Where the real integration that has taken some time for us to get to is the fact that, look, in addition to Calm, in addition to GKE kind of things, is rather than run as some kind of power sucking alien on top of some Google hardware, true integration comes with us actually innovating on a stack that lands AH3 natively inside GCP and that's where nested virtualization comes in and we have to take that crawl-walk-run approach there because we didn't want to expose it to public customers what we didn't consume internally. So what we have with the new offering that now is called Test Drive is, essentially that. We've proven that AH3 can run a nested virtualization mode on GCP natively, you can core locate with the rest of GCP services, and we use it currently in our R&D environment for running thousands of nodes for pretty much everyday testing on a daily basis, right. And so, once customer interview expose that now as an environment for our end customers to actually test-drive Nutanix as a fully compatible stack though, on purpose, so you have Prism Central, the full CDP stack and so forth, then as that gets hardened over a period of time, we expose that into production and so forth. >> So there's one category of cloud I haven't heard yet, and that's the service providers. So Nutanix used to be a really good partner for service providers, you know, enabling them to deliver services locally to local geography, stuff like that, so what's the sense of Nutanix regarding these service providers currently? >> Yeah, I think that frankly, that's probably a 2019 material change to our roadmap. It's your, the analogy that I have is that when we first launched our operating system, we fist had to do it with an opinionated stack using Supermicro. Most importantly, from an end-customer perspective, they got a single throat to choke, but also equally importantly, it kept the engineering team honest because we knew what it means to do one pick-up page for the full stack. Similarly, when we launched Xi, we needed to make sure we knew what SREs do, right. That scale, and so that's why we started with our version of SMC on, you know, as you guys know with Additional Reality as well as partners like Xterra. But very soon you're going to see is, once we have cleared that opinionated stack, software-wise we're able to leverage it, just like we went from Supermicro to Dell and Lenovo and seven other partners, you're going to see us create a Xi partner network. Which essentially allows us to federate Xi as an OS into the service providers. And that's more a 2019 plus timeframe. >> Yeah, speaking along those lines, the keynote this morning, Karbon with a k talked about Kubernetti's. Talk about that, that's the substrate for Nutanix's push toward cloud natives, so-- >> Yeah, I mean, I think you're going to hear that in the day two keynote as well, is basically, customer's want, as I said, an operating system for containers that is based on well-known APIs like Kube Cattle from Kubernetes and all that, but at the same time, it is curated to support all of the enterprise services such as volumes, storage, security policies from Flow, and you know, the operational policies of containers shouldn't be any different from Vms. So think about it as the developers still a Kubernetes-like interface, they can still port their containers from Neutanix to any other environment, but from an IT ops side, it looks like Kubernetes, containers, and VMs are co-residing as a first-class option. >> Yeah, I feel like there had been a misperception about what Kubernetes is and how it fits, you know. My take has been, it's part of the platform so there's not going to be a battle for a distribution of Kubernetes because I'm going to choose a platform and it should have Kubernetes and it should be compatible with other Kubernetes out there. >> Yeah, I mean, it's going to be like a feature of Linux. See, in that sense, there's lots of Linux distros but the core capabilities of Linux are the same, right. So in that sense, Kubernetes is going to become a feature of Linux, or the cloud operating system, so that those least-common denominator features are going to be there in every cloud OS. >> Alright, so Kubernetes not differentiating just expand the platform >> Enabling >> Enabling peace. So, tell us what is differentiating today? You know, what are the areas where Nutanix stands alone as different from some of the other platform providers of today? >> I think that, I mean obviously, whatever we do, we are trying to do it thoughtfully from the operational, you know, simplicity as a first-class citizen. Like how many new screens do we add when we use new features? A simple example of that is when we did micro-segmentation. The part was to make sure you could go from choosing ten VMs to grouping them and putting a policy as soon as possible as little friction of adopting a new product. So, we didn't have to "virtualize" the network, you didn't need to have VX LANs to actually micro-segment, just like in public cloud, right. So I think we're taking the same thing into services up the stack. A good one to talk about is Error. Which is essentially looking at databases as the next complex beast of operational complexity, besides. Especially, Oracle Rack. And it's easier to manage postcrest and so forth, but what if you could simplify not just the open source management, but also the database side of it? So I would say that Error would be a good example of a strategic value proposition or what does it mean to create a one plus one equals three value proposition to database administrators? Just like we did that for VIR vetted administrators, we're now going after DBS. >> Alright, well, Sunil thank you so much. Wish we had another hour to go through it, but give you the final word, as people leave London this year, you know, what should they be taking away when they think about Nutanix? >> I think the platform continues to evolve, but the key takeaway is that it's a platform company. Not a product company. And with that comes the burden, as well as the promise of being an iconic company for the next, hopefully, decade or so. All right, thanks a lot. >> Well, it's been a pleasure to watch the continued progress, always a pleasure to chat. >> Thank you >> All right, for you Piskar, I'm Stu Miniman, back with more coverage here from Nutanix's .NEXT 2018 in London, England. Thanks for watching the CUBE. (light electronic music)

(uptempo techno music) >> Announcer: Live from New Orleans, Louisiana. It's theCUBE covering .NEXT Conference 2018. Brought to you by Nutanix. >> One of the only constants in the technology world is that everything is always changing. Talking a lot about digital transformation. If I roll back to 2012, converged infrastructure, changes in data centers and infrastructure were all of the buzz, and it was before we were talking about things like hyper-converged infrastructure. We ran across a company called Nutanix. First interview we did in 2012 with Dheeraj Pandey, the CEO of the now public company. Surprised us a little bit in that not how they put things together but the why and what they had behind it. That almost 40 minute interview with John Furrier and I did really talked about the biggest challenge of our time is distributed architectures. Not about boxes, not about even just reconfiguring some of the silos but really some of the softer challenges that we've been attacking for decades really in our industry. Fast forward here we are in 2018 and want to welcome you to theCUBE's coverage of Nutanix .NEXT Conference here in New Orleans. I'm Stu Miniman, joined by my co-host for these two days of broadcast, Keith Townsend. Keith, thanks for joining me. >> Thanks for having me Stu. >> So we spend time, it's like what are we doing today? I think right down the block from here is the World War II monument, and how many years after World War II before it was called World War II? >> Keith: Yeah, good point. >> When we look back at what was happening converged infrastructure was a wave. At Wikibon, we were tracking cool things like flash really invading what's going on. Hyperscale architecture, for me personally I'd gone from looking at these enterprise architectures really hardware focused, failure domains, make sure that nothing ever breaks to the softer model of applications where you expect everything is going to break. And that's okay, chaos monkey rules supreme. At the end of the day, your application lives on. Much more granular, we weren't talking microsegmentation architectures and the like. Want to bring you in here, we've had the pleasure of being at every single Nutanix show. This is your first one for you so give us your first impressions of Nutanix .NEXT and what you're seeing. >> I go to a awful lot of shows and I've heard that Nutanix .NEXT was special and all to itself. I had breakfast with just customers, regular attendees, and there is slightly a different energy here. I was surprised at how open customers are about talking about their journey. Just talking about how they're using Nutanix. Where they have it deployed. Their origin stories much different atmosphere than many of the conferences that I've attended. >> And actually so when you talk software companies. There's certain shows where there's the passion and love. Keith, you and I cut our teeth on the virtualization community. >> Right. >> And I use to have the I love VMware bumper stickers and things like that. We've got a team at ServiceNow Knowledge. Dave Vellante said is one of the most passionate groups there. And it's interesting, some of the board members of Nutanix actually co-populate with what's going at ServiceNow. Another show we have going on this week is Red Hat. Obviously the open source community. Very passionate communities. The goal that Nutanix has is rather audacious. When they set out it's not like they said, "Hey, we want to be the leading "hyper-converged infrastructure player." They started in 2009. That word didn't even exist in our lexicon. They have a rather audacious goal. They want to be the next VMware in the model of Microsoft platform. What do they own, where does it fit? What does their ecosystem look like? And we've been watching this maturity, and we're going to have a lot of guests, customers, partners and executives but yeah, comments there. >> The goal is three billion dollars in software billings by 2011. I mean sorry by 2021. That is a big, big number. I think VMware revenues are somewhere around eight billion to put this into perspective, big ambitions. I think on stage, Sunil said that Nutanix is the world's best or leading cloud OS. That was a bold, bold statement. While one part of the Nutanix is a lot bravado backed with some pretty decent technology. The customers that we've talked to have said, they have not ran into a more humble company, and wanting to build brick by brick a relationship to help solve. I'm surprised that customers used this word, partner. They believe Nutanix is truly a partner in their journey towards cloud in delivering IT services. So while again, very bold from the financial statement, very bold from a technology statement. The customer passion here about Nutanix being a true partner in their journey. That's quite real. >> Yeah and it's interesting when you look at the pace of change. The half life of how long people love a brand has been shrinking very fast. >> Keith: Right. >> You think of the old days, it was brands like IBM and Microsoft had decades that they were in love. Apple still beloved by many but they get poked and poked and prodded. We talked about VMware, talked about Nutanix. The landscape today is one of the things. Let's talk about cloud for a second. You and I were making some comments in the Twitter stream during the keynote. When I think hybrid cloud, and I think who's got leadership there. Well first of all, you can't talk about cloud without talking about AWS. >> Keith: Right. >> First solution that anyone's going to support. The Nutanix solutions. It's either API compatibility or integration with what Amazon is doing. Secondly, you talk about hybrid. That's Microsoft's strategy from day one. Azure Stack, same OS, same operating model that's there. So for Nutanix to say they have the best. It's like Microsoft been doing this for a few years. They have a few more customers than Nutanix. >> Right. Not saying Nutanix is not doing great. They're adding a thousand customers a quarter, which is great for an infrastructure company. For a software company, it's good. >> Keith: Yes. >> It's not blowing it out of the water. If you're a Salesforce and you said, you're only adding a thousand new companies a quarter. It's like well Wall Street is not thrilled. So different space, how they're positioning themselves. We mentioned revenue. They're well over a billion dollars. Looking back, some of the shows we've done. I think it's like a $1.4 billion run rate. Market cap, a phenomenal nine billion dollars. When we talk about just value creation, the customers that they're doing. A lot of things really in the Nutanix tail wind pushing them along. As you said, coming to these shows it's always when you talk to the customers. When you talk to the customers in the hallway, are there certain things. It's like oh well we're glad the micro-segmentation stuff is something that we really wanted, but not the big gripes. They're not yet complaining about the pricing models. >> There is not a Nutanix text yet. Not a age retext. And it will be interesting, they made a lot of announcements today. Around Kalm, around flow, around database management. A lot of features. Extremely ambitious technically, and those technologies have to be paid for somehow. So long term, I really want to see if that love extends into when Nutanix needs to get to that three billion dollar in revenue. >> Yeah so maybe quick take on the announcement so far and the keynotes. I thought it was a good balance. A little bit of pageantry upfront, Mardi Gras. >> Keith: Marching band. >> The marching band and everything coming through. They had partners, Hackathon winners, customers up on the floats coming in. No beat probably four. Wanted to make sure that they weren't pegging somebody in the head with that stuff. But they had a good mix, I felt. They had a few customers onstage tell their stories. They got through the announcements. Some real meaningful announcements. Their first SaaS product with Beam. One of the four acquisitions that they've had over the last couple of years. That was from Minjar, was the acquisition. Netsol is another acquisition that they had recently and then Kalm was the basis. >> Keith: Right. >> A long with PernixData a couple years ago. Saccharin Vagoni, PernixData is somebody working on the IoT in Edge stuff. Keynote, announcements, what's your take? >> You know what, there's a lot there. They are innovating extremely fast. I think I interviewed Gar-iage, maybe a couple of years ago at Dell EMC World and I asked, is Nutanix a platform yet? And he say, "You know what. "We might be a little bit early to call Nutanix a platform. "I think today we've solved the completion of the foundation "of being called a platform." As we look out onto the show floor, we're starting to see a growing number of partners who are looking to integrate. We'll have Beam on later on in the program but specific announcements. The things that I'm somewhat excited about Netsil. They're taking a very different approach to network segmentation. And their micro segmentation and VM warriors. There are some advantages, disadvantages. Really looking forward to having that conversation. One click database management with Oracle and Microsoft. There's some guard rails around that we're thinking wow, how does Nutanix walk the line of making database administration deployment simple, but not anger Oracle to the point if there is court action. That's going to be an interesting set of conversation. >> I mean Keith, you know better than me. I hear database migrations and I just think of all the customer horror stories. David Foro from our Wikibon team has talked about, it's never easy. You'll get 80% or 90% of the way there and then things break, and you have to put it back together. AWS has been doing a lot of database migrations, and they've got 80, 90,000 of these that they've done. So how do they do this? It's great to say push button simplicity, but the proof is in the pudding. What are customers seeing? >> Yeah, when you're talking about big database mission critical. And that's another thing we heard on the stage this morning. A lot about mission critical. They're trying to shed this persona of being a VDI platform and that the platform is ready for mission critical applications. We've talked to customers that are indeed using it for mission critical stuff. But again, migration. They've had the relationship with IBM and Power for a couple of years now. And they still ran into a lot of customers that are saying they have no plans of moving AIX to Nutanix, however there's a plate. >> Well since you mention it actually, that was one of the announcements today. Nutanix is now supporting the AAX. >> Keith: Right. >> So before it was Power, now you need to get over to Linux, and that's something we've heard, gosh Keith. How long have we've been hearing the migration from Unix to Linux with the work load. 10 years ago, I remembered going events, and we were talking about that. And it's challenging, you need to-- >> Yeah, I remember getting excited about being-- >> The platform, the tool. >> Having IBM support Linux on mainframes, and thinking man I can finally get this stuff off of AIX. And then to Linux, and that was literally almost 20 years ago, so there you go. >> Yes, so many different announcements but started some the basic piece of it. 'Cause if you talk, there are customers that they have that are drawing over new things. We've got one of the customers that was on the keynote stage, Northern Trust. And he's throwing out things like PaaS and CaaS, which I'm hoping is containers as a service that he's talking about. Some of us propeller heads love talking about this. Lamb-dogot mentioned in the keynote talking about server list but the average Nutanix customers. This is the sand replacement. Many of the customers come and they say, going from my three tiered architecture, server, storage whether that be a traditional storage array or even an all flash array. I'm going to save 20%-40% just by collapsing it down to this architecture. Multi-Hypervisor, VMware of course very heavy, interesting dynamic always between VMware and Nutanix. Aged V growth, a little bit less of the aged V, the Acropolis Hypervisor and surrounding Acropolis services. At least to me, it felt a little bit less than before just 'cause the portfolio is broadening. But you've got so many pieces, it's basically almost any server you want. Nutanix is either an OEM or they will support it. There's all the Hypervisors they can connect to the cloud. When I look at that hybrid cloud message. It does start in your data center but it does extend to all of those pieces. If there is a little criticism I have there is that, at least my quick take. 50%-75% of the Nutanix customers are mostly of the, I use SaaS but I don't use a ton of public cloud. And therefore, I want to control my environment as opposed to but there are other customers that are, I'm doing a ton on Amazon, and Nutanix is great there. So went on about a bunch of things there. But just the base platform, what do you hear from people that are using Nutanix specifically HCI in general, and how that fits in the overall cloud picture? >> So overall they're cautious like you said. A lot of what core customers that I have talked to are very lets call it cloud anti pattern. However they're consuming Kalm, they're consuming Prism, they are consuming Nutanix in a cloud-like manner on premises. They're looking to one customer said, "To their internal customer, they are the cloud." They make IT and consuming Nutanix infrastructure simple, so it is a perspective thing. As we start to expand out Kalm and expect design become much more critical to this long term vision. And customers are still in a wait and see pattern. They're saying, "Well let's look." One to two years where the technology gets to be a little bit more mature. A little bit more tested. Tested by who is a good question and that ability to extend their internal infrastructure and operations to the external public cloud becomes more of a reality. >> Okay, Keith want you to just, what are you looking forward to get out of these next two days. Quick take from me. The three pieces that Sunil and Dheeraj been talking for a couple years. Invisible infrastructure, solid basis. They're there, they've got great feature functionality. I think when we talked to customers, other than these two features that VMware has that aren't yet here. I can move 75%-85% AIX one piece to get another 5% of that if we need. Invisible data centers, making good progress. Can see what they're doing today. They have a lot of the pieces. Things like Prism and Kalm are, Prism has been out for years, but Kalms GA and making progress. And then invisible clouds. First pieces are in place. They've got some software pieces there. What are we, look at Nutanix 3-5 years from now, are they a SaaS player? Are they primarily an infrastructure software player? The question I want to point to them. I had an interview with Rowan from Cisco, the number two guy and he said, "Cisco, the networking company. "10 years from now, they're a software company." It's not boxes and ports and things like that. So how far did they go as opposed to you and I were at Dell last week. Dell wants to be the leading infrastructure company, and therefore servers, storage, network are key pieces there. Tie into software, tie into cloud but that's my quick take around as to what I'm looking for. The progress that they're making is we always sniff out what's real. What has some work. Marketing is okay as long as the proof is in the pudding. >> We heard a lot about the delivery. Enterprise, cloud, company is the tag line. That is part of the company's brand. I want to understand how they make the claim. Not just how, how and why they made the claim. They are the leading enterprise cloud company. What does enterprise cloud mean to them when they say that? And you can't have a conversation about enterprise cloud without talking about the developer. So Nutanix by saying that they are enterprise cloud company is they're going in the opposite direction especially of Dell EMC. Dell EMC provides infrastructure to cloud companies. They might point to pivotal in VMware as being the software components of a complete cloud strategy. But Dell EMC itself, infrastructure company. Nutanix is making the claim, they are an enterprise cloud company. How are they pursing the relationship and capability with developers, infrastructure team, operations to make sure that they can live up to that mantle. >> Yeah, Keith, great point to help us wrap up one of the segments we heard talking about Edge computing. Nutanix wants to make invisible Kubernetes Tensorflow functions as a service. Made my head spin a little bit because we know the maturity of those solutions in what you need to do to understand it. So being able to simplify that. Well that would truly be genius. >> That would, if they can Nutanixise that, that will be great. >> Alright, well Keith Townsend, the CTO advisor. Thank you for helping me break down, looking forward to two days of interviews. I'm Stu Miniman. We're going to have wall to wall coverage here from the New Orleans convention center. Nutanix .NEXT 2018. I'm Stu Miniman and thanks for watching theCUBE. (uptempo techno music)