>> live from San Francisco, celebrating 10 years of high tech coverage. It's the Cube covering Veum World 2019. Brought to you by the M wear and its ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back here to San Francisco. Where? Mosconi Center right now. And for Veum. World 2019. Gorgeous Day outside, by the way. Great. To be here on the West Coast with Sam Warner right now is the vice president of offering management of storage at IBM. And I'm joined by Stew Minimum as well. Good to see you still haven't singing along. >> Great to see you, John. And yeah, you know, beautiful day outside. If we're in Vegas, I'm sure will be sunny, but we sure wouldn't be >> outside. No, no, I love it Here. Thanks for joining us. Glad to have you here on the Cube way. We're kind of joking. Before we came out about how you said, you know, I'm in the storage, but you have to be very careful about how you described at the some people because they want to get a riddle in unit from you. That's right away. So? So we know. What storage? What side of that? L'm what we're talking about here. Let's just talk about the big picture right now that just in terms of of what's going on in terms of stories that some of the I guess larger concerns that you have these days is people go multi cloud in hybrid cloud. Um, it presents a whole different array of challenges for you and your team. I would assume >> that's right. You know, you often hear people talking about modernizing their applications for the cloud world, and they're focused on how do they rebuild and re factor their applications for future? The other thing they really need to think about is how do they modernize their data protection? You have to think about how you're gonna manage that data in a multi cloud world. Is your data protected on premises and in the cloud, you have to think about new threats that are emerging. Organized crime is behind a lot of these data breaches, you see, and the malware attacks. You have to think about that and then you always hear about A. I am trying to unlock all of the data to get valuable insights for an organization. How can you leverage that data that in the past has just been a back up there to protect you. Now how can you use it for valuable sites for your business? So modernizing data protection that's spent a lot of time talking about these days. >> Sam VM World has always been a great ecosystem show, and over the years, certain things that have been front and center. I remember when the launch NSX networking was there many years, people called the storage world. I walked through the expo floor and you could almost say, You know, this is data protection world. I saw big booths. I see lots of pomp and circumstance. You know, big companies like IBM. Of course, I have a strong presence there, and a whole lot of startups maybe give >> us a >> little context. Is toe kind of why there's so much on data protection? Because it's not like this is a new thing, but, you know, definitely is, You know, more hot in buzzy er than that has been in a long time. >> It's a really interesting observation. Actually, we used to call this the biggest storage show there was. And now when I walked in today to the Expo floor, it was every data protection company just big and bright. And And I'll tell you, it's all the things that I mentioned, right? The whole everybody has to back up their data. If something happens, you need to be able to recover, so it's really important. And and the CEO of IBM, Ginni Rometty, always talks about data as the next gold. The best resource, right? If you can unlock that data, you get a competitive advantage, so obviously have to protect it. I think that there's this big revolution going on in data protection because of all the additional value could get out of that data. The one thing I always have to remind clients. You'll see a lot of startups you walk out on the expo floor. But it's not just your new applications that need to be backed up. It's your entire enterprise. That data. When you think about a I, it's about harvesting value from all those legacy applications as well. So I think you gotta have a full suite of data protection. >> You hit on something that I'm sure your colleagues seem throughout the industry. All they also deal with you talk about cyber resiliency and making sure that you have the best protections against what are becoming increasingly Mork complex, sophisticated intrusions. Eso How has that evolved, say, over the last 345 years to where we are now in terms of putting up that safeguard against you know, the level on actors and knowing that the stakes are that much higher now than they might have been in the past. >> You know, an IBM has always been a leader in this space. When you think about the strongest protection against cyberattacks, it's tape you can actually air gap your data, you move it off line completely. You put it on tape in the native safe. By the way, our tape business is growing like crazy because as data grows, you need somewhere to put it in. The best economics in the most safe place to store it is actually on tape. But what you see happening, the change is coming is really about adding Maur intelligence in the software because you need a certain amount of your data online. So how do you keep that data online and keep it safe? You have to be able to detect attacks, and you have to have software in your system that can actually protect the data in real time. So I think you're seeing a lot more intelligence. We'd call it a I driven data protection, And that's some of stuff we're working on our data protection portfolio. >> Sam. Wonder if you could help us unpack that a little bit because, you know, when we look at, you know, machine learning or a eye out there. You know, we've talked about intelligence and automation in the storage world for decades, but data is very much dispersed, and and I think part of it is people alone could not manage this environment that, you know, it's no longer something. I could just turn a key, unlock it and keep it in there. It's now, as you said, it's multi cloud. I've got sass applications and everywhere. So you know, where is that a I going to help in? What is IBM, you know, got available today to help >> write great great questions. So, first of all, the great thing about focusing on the data protection part of it is it is part of your whole data strategy. It needs to be, at least if it's not you have a problem, you're exposed with spectrum. Protect will actually show you which of your data is exposed and not being protected. Giving a whole list view of your environment. For example, in a V M where environment will show you all of your v EMS and show you which ones aren't protected. So, you know, and then what we do give me a real world. Examples. Since we understand what's happening at the data in real time, if we see something like the D duplication rate change, so you typically get a certain amount of data de duplicated and all this on that rate changes, something might be going on. So we'll notify the administrator. Let's say that all the sudden lots of data starts changing outside, the normal pattern will alerted Administrator and let them know that there might be some bad actors. So there's the types of things we can see in real time. And since we're part of all of the data because you have to back up your data, we have holistic view of the environment. >> Sam IBM has a long, long partnership with VM, where one of the things that really struck me leading up to the show and even in the keynote is the VM isn't necessarily what we're talking about anymore. I joked Veum, where's actually done some advertising at some shows where they put, like, container where and you look at all the acquisitions they've done put things together. You talked about cloud native pieces. So you know, where's the relationship that IBM has with the, um where where is that going? And how are you ready for that containerized micro service, multi cloud world that we're all heading towards? >> Yeah, that's a great question. And by the way, if you talk to customers, I would guess 80% plus of them will tell you that their biggest concern for their container environment is how to do data protection. And it's certainly immature compared to, ah, the ecosystems that have built up around VM where AH, however, there's a lot of focus on it were focusing on an IBM research is focusing on it, and we're building drivers that go underneath that actually do that data protection, and we'll be coming out with application aware data protection for containers over the next quarter in years to come. That's one of our big focus areas. Ah, and it has to be for both on premises on your private cloud. Also going into the public cloud. As you said, you need one holistic way of doing that. Pratt detection across >> both. How's the nature of of attacks changed in terms of of the intrusions that you're detecting now? How is that morphed as technology's advanced that I'm sure the the offense, if you will, has advanced a swell >> significantly? I mean, they become significantly more sophisticated, of course, on you see them everywhere and in fact, some of the more recent ones. I'm not going to name any names or even happening in the cloud, right? So you failed to properly deploy an application in the cloud. It's not the clouds fault, necessarily. It's how it's being used and you leave the back door open. And there's armies of people that are being paid a lot of money to find those, uh, those gaps and go after them. So it's near impossible to close all those gaps. So you need intelligence running underneath that can detect Aah these intrusions without proper awareness and protection. You know, some of these things can go six months to a year without being detected. So you gotta you gotta be more on top of the thing. >> And how exhausting is that? I mean, just in terms of of sheer, you know, brain power, if you will. But it's just the fact that you play defense all the time. You don't get the throat, the long ball yourself, right? You have to be on the safe guard. You have to be on the defensive. And I'm sure you'd like to be on the other side of the defense, everyone. So all right. A little offense, but you can't s o. How literally. How tiring is that to be on the defensive like that? >> When you talk to a C suite person in the company, this is what's keeping them up at night. They don't want to be the next one on the news, and it is daunting. Do I have an application out there with some kind of exposure? And they come to IBM because we have the experience dealing with it. We've got decades of experience dealing with security and, uh, and we have led the way, and a lot of the things you can do around data breaches and protecting your data. So So they come to us is ah, reliable partner that has the experience. There's a lot of startups out there that are entering the space. I don't think that they bring the same level of experience that we have to be able to detect and respond to those problems. >> Yeah. So, Sam, we talked about the show floor. There's a lot going on there. What? Your team doing a lot of the show. Maybe give us a little sneak peek. For those people that aren't here at the show is toe. You know what they're missing. If they if they didn't come to check out all that IBM is doing >> what we're doing so much exciting stuff. We've got a heavy focus on Sybers and leases we talked about in data protection. Ah, we're also doing a lot around cognitive and in a I and helping customers accelerate >> Ah ah, >> the insights that could get we helped create an end in data pipeline for your data. One of the big challenges for a I is bringing the data together a lot of copying of data and it slows it down. It also prevents. Ah, an enterprise from deploying, uh, the actual models in into production so they can gain insights in no time. We actually help streamline that data pipeline. Of course, we're doing a lot around Hybrid multi cloud is a company. Ah, the acquisition we recently made of Red out. We're bringing those pieces together and providing customers with the real way to manage there are modernizing manage their applications in a hybrid, multi cloud >> world data management. You know, that's a whole different slices it not that that people might be very focused in some respects on security and protection, but now you gotta manage all that stuff too. In a multi cloud environment and a hybrid environment, whole new levels of complexities, >> right? And in containers really start providing you with the ability to modernize your application deployed on premises or give you a consistent way to deploy it on the cloud. One of the things we do in our software defined storage portfolio is provide you one common management data plane that extends from on premises to the cloud. So you can really create data portability for your application as you modernize it, >> Sam. I mean, one of things I heard very loud and clear for the M. Where is, you know, we're gonna give you everything from where you are today to where you want to go. I think IBM got a little bit of legacy experience with doing those kind of solutions. >> That's right, Andi. We've been doing it for quite some time, and that's a big focus area for ours. I was joking that in the keynote this morning, a lot of it sounded very familiar to me. It's things that we've been talking about for a while. I'm excited about where the m where is going. I think it's very consistent with our strategy as a company, as an IBM company. >> Well, thanks for the time. Glad to have you here on the Cube. Good luck with the move to North Carolina guy. New York guy headed to Raleigh. So, uh, uh, you love it. The great city. Sam Warner joining us here on the Q back with more live from San Francisco. Right after this time out