>> Live from Mountain View, California, it's the Cube! Covering Devnet Create 2019. Brought to you by Cisco. >> Welcome back to the Cube's coverage, day one, Cisco Devnet Create 2019 at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. Lisa Martin with John Furrier, pleased to welcome to the Cube for the first time, Mathieu Gerard, the co-founder and CTO of Mapwize. Mathieu, it's lovely to have you on the program. >> Thank you. >> So Mapwize and Cisco are partners, but first, give our audience an idea of Mapwize. What you are, what you deliver, where you're located. >> Yeah, Mapwize is a startup company, we are based in France. And so we want to bring digital services inside buildings. We feel that a lot of our life has been digitalized, but that there are still a lot of services that can be brought inside those buildings. And one of the key elements, when you speak about digital services in buildings, is to have a map. A map where you can show all the different details about the buildings, the live data that is generating from all the sensors that's in the building. That's where the partnership with Cisco actually comes in to bring all those infrastructure sensors that you get, bring that to be displayed on the map as well and bring services to the user. >> So one of the hot announcements is the Wi-Fi 6. I'm jazzed about. It was 802.11 something A or B, I forget what it was. But you're now calling it Wi-Fi 6, thank God. Although even numbers, I'm skeptical of that. You know, odds tend to be better, bug-free, going back to our old days as you know. But Wi-Fi 6 changes the game at many levels. What are some of the things that will help you guys? Because we've all been in the buildings where, concrete, bounces RF, you can't get through certain things, we've all been in stadiums where it's kind of like a nightmare with bandwidth. Wi-Fi's like, you know, part of Maslow's hierarchy of needs now. We want our Wi-Fi. Businesses want Wi-Fi, so new things are happening. What's your take on Wi-Fi 6? >> So our take is that we really want to bring all those services. Of course bandwidth is something, but for us it's not necessarilly the critical part. For us it's really the kind of data that you can get from the Wi-Fi. Making sure that all the IOT devices can be deployed in more and more of those buildings. Everybody now wants to know if a meeting room is available or not. So what's the best way of doing that, and just having a small sensor that detects presence, and can be broadcasted back to the cloud and then displayed on the map. So there are so many sensors, that's one of them. But in terms of pollution of temperature, if you have those in the building, can bring new services around all those mapping. >> So bandwidth is not an issue, obviously this is like gig ethernet now, just helps with the signaling. What about range and coverage area, antenna chains? These are the kind of things we're hearing about, some of the benefits. Does that help you guys at all? Does that help the maps and get more range? >> Yeah, and at the same time the challenge we are facing when we look at the Wi-Fi is to be able to use it to locate people and to know where I am so that I can be provided services around me. And so that usually came with a need for more density of access points because the more density you have the better you can access the location of a user. And so what we see is a lot of evolution in the Wi-Fi in the kind of capabilities that they have in positioning people. So we hope to see that as well in Wi-Fi 6. >> What's your vision on location services inside an enterprise? Because we saw that movie play out on the consumer side with mobile, iPhones and Androids now everywhere. We've all seen it, we know when art was showing up, all the things that were happening on the maps, map mashups back in the old web 2.0 days. What's the new sets of things that will come out that you see? What's your vision? >> What we see is that, as you were mentioning, mapping and wave finding is something we are using everyday. And nobody would even imagine how it was back in the time when we had paper maps. And so we believe that that is also coming into all the office and industry environments. For example the possibility of seeing live, what's available, what's going on in my building, what's available as services where are the people that I need to interact with, where are the assets I need to actually go grab? That's something that today, seems like complicated to do, and I'm pretty convinced that in a few years from now, it's going to be natural, like waze is natural everyday for everybody. >> And this is the opportunity for Mapwize and with Cisco as well, to convert existing structures into these smart buildings. Are you seeing that as well as with the development of new buildings that are kind of built natively smart? >> Yeah, of course the new buildings are built more smart. And with new infrastructure, that allows a lot more. But the new buildings are still a very small percentage of the buildings that are out there. And so the great thing is that all the infrastructure that already exists is already capable of a lot. And so even with the updates that are being done there, there is a lot of data that today are totally not used, that we believe still can bring a lot of new services and a lot of potential. >> Is there any industries in particular where you and Cisco are working together where this is a really, they're right for this type of transformation. I can think of hospitals as one thing that comes to mind with being able to identify where everything is, censor services. Especially in life and death situations. >> Yeah, so what we see is that everybody that works in a hospital has the same reaction. It's like, where is everything? It's the kind of campuses where it's really easy to get lost. And so, whenever you get there, you need to get to your appointment, and if you don't find it, what're you going to do is to ask the medical staff. So you ask people that are actually saving life, how to get to your next appointment, which we feel is kind of a waste. >> Huge efficiencies. Not just asset tracking, which is low-hanging fruit. IOT devices in terms of instrumentation, but just supply chain services. It's a tsunami of new things. Limited by a lot of old school, either technical limitations on connectivity at the edge or just software. >> You know that in health care, there is a lot of time where a surgery room is ready with all the surgeons and the staff and the patient is not there because the person who is supposed to go get him in his room and bring to the surgery is actually late. And so we think that that's such a waste of time and money. >> Absolutely. >> Could be much better utilized. >> You could bring surge pricing in to the surgery room. (laughing) We're backed up, or hey I got low pricing, I got a price line ... But all joking aside, this is really important. This is like real value. High priced resources, idle in a hospital. There's probably a zillion examples of those. Okay, what's the low-hanging fruit that you guys see? When you start rolling out Mapwize. Is it just getting a physical footprint of it? Is it just a graphic rendering? Is the mashup piece? Is it visualization? What are some of the key things that you guys are doing, or have done to remove the blockers for adoption and create more movement towards that value? >> So what we see is really the first step is bring some wave finding, helping people navigate around the buildings. And so basically taking the old stock of technical floor plans that everybody has, that usually just a few architects use in a company. And being able to drag and drop that into a web platform. And from one day to another, making it available to a hundred percent of the people that actually live in that building on a daily basis. So that's really the first step we see. And then together with Cisco, being able to bring the location of the users. So that I have the same experience outside of the GPS as I have inside the building with the Wi-Fi infrastructure. >> It'd be great to know too, there's a lot of people streaming video around one access point. Might want to add another one. These kinds of things just are natural ideas that people would do. >> Yeah and where the bandwidth is the best, where the noise is the lowest, where potentially is the temperature higher, lower. Today in the flex office, people can choose to sit wherever they want. So what are the key reasons to choose one spot or the other? And I think there are a lot more value that we can bring to those as occupants. >> So you have here at Devnet Create 2019, you have a breakout, or had today a breakout and a workshop. Tell us about the workshop first in terms of the title, the conversations and some of the interesting conversations that you had with some of the participants. >> The workshop was about how to bring the link between the map and the more key infrastructure that you have. So potentially, even before anyone connects to a Wi-Fi, we're actually already showing him usually a portal, a captive portal where he can look in. And how we can add in that captive portal, already services. Like showing him, where is, on a map, how to get to any destination, potentially services that are around him. So that was the goal of the workshop. And it was great because everybody was saying directly in his industry. I had somebody from a university say this is exactly what we need as well for our campus. So I think it's something we can bring to much more industries. >> There's much more of a horizontal opportunity like you said, across industries. And you also had a breakout session. What did that dive into? >> The breakout session was specifically around location analytics. So it's completely different world, but it's about them using the location of the crow of every single device in the building and see how people move. Where do they go. And to understand the behavior of the people that are there. Just to give you an example, if you look at an event like this one, maybe the organizers would like to understand how much time people spend looking at the talk, looking at the workshop, getting around. So basically using all the data that's collected by the Wi-Fi, we can get a lot of analytics and numbers to better assess if the spaces are well organized. >> Making sure people are at their desks doing their job. (laughing) >> Oh no, no. No big brother. >> That's potentially the downside around it. It's something we need to be careful about. >> Innovation versus creepiness. It's always a trade off, privacy. >> It is a trade off and I think we need to be aware of when we allow it. When there is somebody working alone in a building, you actually do want to know where he is, because it's good for his safety. >> It's all over. We all have privacy problems. The GPS knows everything I'm doing here. Get over it, people. >> I think it's good to know which cases and to have opt-in. Like sometimes I want people to know where I am exactly, because that can actually help me. And I've other cases where I do not want it. So I think it's important that any developer who is building application with that data, is aware of that privacy issue and can know when to anonymize data, when not. >> Great stuff. >> Mathieu, thank you so much for joining John and me talking about Mapwize, what you're doing with Cisco. Really, really interesting technology. Maybe next year at Devnet Create you can tell us all of the analytic from this year. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> All right, we appreciate your time. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> For John Furrier, I'm Lisa Martin, live on the Cube from Cisco Devnet Create 2019. Thanks for watching.

>> Announcer: Live from San Jose, it's The Cube, presenting Big Data, Silicon Valley. Brought to you by Silicon Angle Media and its ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back to The Cube. Our continuing coverage of our event, Big Data SV continues. I am Lisa Martin joined by Peter Burris. We're in downtown San Jose at a really cool place called Forager Tasting and Eatery. Come down, hang out with us today as we have continued conversations around all things big data, everything in between. This is our second day here and we're excited to welcome to The Cube the CMO of VANTIQ, Blaine Mathieu. Blaine, great to meet you, great to have you on the program. >> Great to be here, thanks for inviting me. >> So, VANTIQ, you guys are up the street in Walnut Creek. What do you guys do, what are you about, what makes VANTIQ different? >> Well, in a nutshell, VANTIQ is a so called high productivity application development platform to allow developers to build, deploy, and manage so called event driven real time applications, the kind of applications that are critical for driving many of the digital transformation initiatives that enterprises are trying to get on top of these days. >> Digital trasformation, it's a term that can mean so many different things, but today, it's essential for companies to be able to compete, especially enterprise companies with newer companies that are more agile, more modern. But if we peel apart digital transformation, there's so many elements that are essential. How do you guys help companies, enterprises, say, evolve their application architectures that might currently not be able to support an actual transformation to a digital business? >> Well, I think that's a great question, thank you. I think the key to digital trasformation is really a lot around the concept of real time, okay. The reason Uber is disrupting or has disrupted the taxi industry is the old way of doing it was somebody called a taxi and then they waited 30 minutes for a taxi to show up and then they told the taxi where to go and hopefully they got there. Whereas, Uber, turned that into a real time business, right? You called, you pinged something on your phone. They knew your location. They knew the location of the driver. They matched those up, brought 'em together in real time. Already knew where to bring you to and ensured you had the right route and that location. All of this data flowing, all of these actions have been taken in real time. The same thing applies to a disruptor like Netflix, okay? In the old days, Blockbuster used to send you, you know, a leaflet in the mail telling you what the new movies are. Maybe it was personalized for you. Probably not. No, Netflix knows who you are instantly, gives you that information, again, in real time based on what you've done in the past and is able to give you, deliver the movie also, in real time pretty well. Every disruptor you look at around digital transformation is bringing a business or a process that was done slowly and impersonally to make it happen in real time. Unfortunately, enterprise applications and the architectures, as you said a second ago, that are being used in most applications today weren't designed to enable these real time use cases. A great example is sales force. So, a sales force is a pretty standard, what you'd call a request application. So, you make a request, a person, generally, makes a request of the system, system goes into a database, queries that database, find information and then returns it back to the user. And that whole process could take, you know, significant amounts of time, especially if the right data isn't in the database at the time and you have to go request it or find it or create it. A new type of application needs to be created that's not fundamentally database centric, but it's able to take these real time data streams coming in from devices, from people, from enterprise systems, process them in real time and then take an action. >> So, let's pretend I'm a CEO. >> Yeah. >> One of the key things you said, and I want you to explain it better, is event. What is event? What is an event and how does that translate into a digital business decision? >> This notion of complex event processing CEP has been around in technology for a long time and yet, it surprises me still a lot of folks we talk to, CEOs, have never heard of the concept. And, it's very simple really. An event is just something that happens in the context of business. That's as complex and as simple as it is. An event could be a machine increases in temperature by one degree, a car moves from one location to another location. It could be an enterprise system, like an ERP system, you know, approves a PO. It could be a person pressing a button on a mobile device. All of those, or it could be an IOT device putting off a signal about the state of a machine. Increasingly, we're getting a lot of events coming from IOT devices. So, really, any particular interesting business situation or a change in a situation that happens is an event And increasingly driven, as you know, by IOT, by augmented reality, by AI and machine learning, by autonomous vehicles, by all these new real time technologies are spinning off more and more events, streams of these events coming off in rapid fashion and we have to be able to do something about them. >> Let me take a crack at it and you tell me if I've got this right. That, historically, applications have been defined in terms of processes and so, in many respects, there was a very concrete, discreet, well established program, set of steps that were performed and then the transaction took place. And event, it seems to me is, yeah, we generally described it, but it changes in response to the data. >> Right, right. >> So, an event is kind of like an outside in driven by data. >> Right, right. >> System response, whereas, your traditional transaction processing is an inside out driven by a sequence of programmed steps, and that decision might have been made six years ago. So, the event is what's happening right now informed by data versus a transaction, traditional transaction is much more, what did we decide to do six years ago and it just gets sustained. Have I got that right? >> That's right. Absolutely right or six hours ago or even six minutes ago, which might seem wow, six minutes, that's pretty good, but take a use case for a field service agent trying to fix a machine or an air conditioner on top of a building. In today's world now, that air conditioner has hundreds of sensors that are putting off data about the state of that air conditioner in real time. A service tech has the ability to, while the machine is still putting off that data, be able to make repairs and changes and fixes, again, in the moment, see how that is changing the data coming off the machine, and then, continue to make the appropriate repairs in collaboration with a smart system or an application that's helping them. >> That's how identifying patterns about what the problem is, versus some of the old ways was where we had recipe of, you know, steps that you went through in the call center. >> Right, right. And the customer is getting more and more frustrated. >> They got their clipboard out and had the 52 steps they followed to see oh that didn't work, now the next step. No, data can help us do that much more efficiently and effectively if we're able to process it in real time. >> So, in many respects, what we're really talking about is an application world or a world looking forward where the applications, which historically have been very siloed, process driven, to a world where the application function is much more networked together and the application, the output of one application is having a significant impact through data on the performance of an application somewhere else. That seems like it's got the potential to be an extremely complex fabric. (laughing) So, do I wait until I figure all that out (laughing) and then I start building it? Or do I, I mean, how do I do it? Do I start small and create and grow into it? What's the best way for people to start working on this? >> Well, you're absolutely right. Building these complex, geeking out a little bit, you know, asynchronous, non-blocking, so called reactive applications, that's the concept that we've been using in computer science for some time, is very hard, frankly. Okay, it's much easier to build computing systems that process things step one, step, two, step three, in order, but if you have to build a system that is able to take real time inputs or changes at any point in the process at any time and go in a different direction, it's very complex. And, computer scientists have been writing applications like this for decades. It's possible to do, but that isn't possible to do at the speed that companies now want to transform themselves, right? By the time you spec out an application and spend two years writing it, your business competitors have already disrupted you. The requirements have already changed. You need to be much more rapid and agile. And so, the secret sauce to this whole thing is to be able to write these transformative applications or create them, not even write is actually the wrong word to use, to be able to create them. >> Generate them. >> Yeah, generate them in a way which is very fast, does not require a guru level developer and reactive Java or some super low level code that you'd have to use to otherwise do it, so that you can literally have business people help design the applications, conceptually build them almost in real time, get them out into the market, and then be able to modify them as you need to, you know, on the fly. >> If I can build on that for just one second. So, it used to be we had this thing called computer assisted software engineer. >> (laughs) Right, right. >> We were going to operate this very very high level language. It's kind of-- But then, we would use code and build a code and the two of them were separated and so the minute that we deployed, somebody would go off and maintain and the whole thing would break. >> Right, right. >> Do you have that problem? >> No, well, that's exactly right. So, the old, you know, the old, the previous way of doing it was about really modeling an application, maybe visually, drag and drop, but then fundamentally, you created a bunch of code and then your job, as you said after, was to maintain and deploy and manage. >> Try to sustain some connection back up to that beautiful visual model. >> And you probably didn't because that was too much. That was too much work, so forget about the model after that. Instead, what we're able to do these days is to build the applications visually, you know, really for the most part with either super low code or, in many cases, no code because we have the ability to abstract away a lot of the complexity, a lot of the complex code that you'd have to write, we can represent that, okay, with these logical abstractions, create the applications themselves, and then continue to maintain, add to, modify the application using the exact same structure. You're not now stuck on, now you're stuck with 20,000 lines of code that you have to, that you have to edit. You're continuing to run and maintain the application just the way you built it, okay. We've now got to the place in computer science where we can actually do these things. We couldn't do them, you know, 20 years ago with case, but we can absolutely do them now. >> So, I'm hearing from a customer internal perspective a lot of operational efficiencies that VANTIQ can drive. Let's look now from a customer's perspective. What are the business impacts you're able to make? You mentioned the word reactive a minute ago when you were talking about applications, but do you have an example where you've, VANTIQ, has enabled a customer, a business, to be more, to be proactive and be able to identify through, you know, complex event processing, what their customers are doing to be able to deliver relevant messages and really drive revenue, drive profit? >> Right, right. So many, you know, so many great examples. And, I mentioned field service a few minutes ago. I've got a lot of clients in that doing this real time field service using these event processing applications. One that I want to bring up right now is one of the largest global shoe manufacturers, actually, that's a client of VANTIQ. I, unfortunately, can't say the name right now 'cause they want to keep what they're doing under wraps, but we all definitely know the company. And they're using this to manage the security, primarily, around their real time global supply chain. So, they've got a big challenge with companies in different countries redirecting shipments of their shoes, selling them on the gray market, at different prices than what are allowed in different regions of the world. And so, through both sensorizing the packages, the barcode scanning, the enterprise systems bringing all that data together in real time, they can literally tell in the moment is something is be-- If a package is redirected to the wrong region or if literally a shoe or a box of shoes is being sold where it shouldn't be sold at the wrong price. They used to get a monthly report on the activities and then they would go and investigate what happened last month. Now, their fraud detection manager is literally sitting there getting this in real time, saying, oh, Singapore sold a pallet of shoes that they should not have been able to sell five minute ago. Call up the guy in Singapore and have him go down and see what's going on and fix that issue. That's pretty powerful when you think about it. >> Definitely, so like reduction in fraud or increase in fraud detection. Sounds like, too, there's a potential for a significant amount of cost savings to the business, not just meeting the external customer needs, but from a, from a cost perspective reduction. Not just some probably TCO, but in operational expenses. >> For sure, although, I would say most of the digital transformation initiatives, when we talk to CEOs and CIOs, they're not focused as much on cost savings, as they're focused on A, avoiding being disrupted by the next interesting startup, B, creating new lines of business, new revenue streams, finding out a way to do something differently dramatically better than they're currently doing it. It's not only about optimizing or squeezing some cost out of their current application. This thing that we are talking about, I guess you could say it's an improvement on their current process, but really, it's actually something they just weren't even really doing before. Just a total different way of doing fraud detection and managing their global supply chain that they just fundamentally weren't even doing. And now, of course, they're looking at many other use cases across the company, not just in supply chain, but, you know, smart manufacturing, so many use cases. Your point about savings, though, there's, you know, what value does the application itself bring? Then, there's the question of what does it cost to build and maintain and deploy the application itself, right? And, again, with these new visual development tools, they're not modeling tools, you're literally developing the application visually. You know, I've been in so many scenarios where we talked to large enterprises. You know, we talk about what we're doing, like we talk about right now, and they say, okay, we'd love to do a POC, proof of concept. We want to allocate six months for this POC, like normally you would probably do for building most enterprise applications. And, we inevitably say, well, how about Friday? How about we have the POC done by Friday? And, you know, we get the Germans laugh, you know, laugh uncomfortably and we go away and deliver the POC by Friday because of how much different it is to build applications this way versus writing low level Java or C-sharp code and sticking together a bunch of technologies and tools 'cause we abstract all that away. And, you know, the eyes drop open and the mouth drops open and it's incredible what modern technology can do to radically change how software is being developed. >> Wow, big impact in a short period of time. That's always a nice thing to be able to deliver. >> It is, it is to-- It's great to be able to surprise people like that. >> Exactly, exactly. Well, Blaine, thank you so much for stopping by, sharing what VANTIQ is doing to help companies be disruptive and for sharing those great customer examples. We appreciate your time. >> You're welcome. Appreciate the time. >> And for my co-host, Peter Burris, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching The Cube's continuing coverage of our event, Big Data SV Live from San Jose, down the street from the Strata Data Conference. Stick around, we'll be right back with our next guest after a short breal. (techy music)