(calm and chill electronic music) (moves into upbeat and energetic electronic music) >> Announcer: Live from Austin Texas, it's theCUBE. Covering DockerCon 2017. Brought to you by Docker and support from its ecosystem partners. >> Welcome back. I'm Stu Miniman with my co-host and singer and, you know, lyricist everyone once in a while, Jim Kobielus. >> Partner in crime. >> And happy to bring back to the program Giorgio Regni, who is the CTO of Scality. So good to see you again. >> Hey. Hi Jim, Hi Stu. Very nice to see you again. >> So Giorgio, I interviewed you at Amazon Reinvent. So we talked about where you fit in the cloud environment. So here at DockerCon, you bring us up to space. You're a software defined storage company, where do containers and Docker fit into the offering that you have? >> Absolutely. So with software defined storage for the enterprise, one of our goal is to simplify storage operations because it's hard to actually build a verified scale system, how can we make it easier for our customers to use, right? And one other thing that containers give us is the ability to easily package your software and deploy it anywhere. For example, we have options. Where do you want your interface to be for storage? Should it be on the client side, should it be on the server side, should it be somewhere else? With container, it's very easy to automate. And one container can do a lot of things, right? So, it's pretty easy. >> Yeah. And talk about how scalability fits into your environment. My understanding is you work with Docker Swarm, do you also work with Kubernetes? Where does that fit in? >> So we talk about an announcement we made today. Just before I do that, just a quick. So the container, we follow the imagable container design. So when you have a container, you can kill it any point in time, right? And another container will take over. So there's nothing in our architecture that's a single point of failure. So with Docker, it's very easy to do. Which we did before, but Docker simplifies all these operation aspect for us. >> Alright. And so the announcement is, did you also do Kubernetes then, or is it just the Docker Swarm right now, or? >> Yeah, so there is a container automation war. We haven't picked a side yet. >> Okay. (Giorgio chuckles) >> Yeah, absolutely. Talk to us about your customers. How much is it a pull for them, asking you about containers? How much? Is it just something your building it to your architecture because it makes sense going forward? >> So we work with very large enterprises. They don't know what the other department is doing. So sometimes you talk to a storage team and they try to tell you we never deploy containers. But then if you talk inside a company, you will see that another group has deployed containers for the last two years in production, and they actually have a support contract with Docker, they have an enterprise deployment. And so you have to find out is there Docker experience. And 99% of the time, there is Docker experience. >> Stu: It reminds me of Linux a lot. >> Yes, exactly. >> You know, 15, 10 or 15 years ago, you talked to a big group, "Are you doing Linux?" and they got no, and they're like "Wait, "Bob's been doing Linux a bunch." And we are doing it and everything. (Giorgio chuckles) So yeah, absolutely. >> Giorgio: It is the same thing, yeah. >> And this been such a huge explosion of what's been happening. You know, I've talked to some of the vendors here that have been working with containers for, you know, eight, 10 years almost. But with Docker, it's really helped, ya know, just bring it to the masses. So, yeah, can you maybe speak to how its changing your environment as CTO, how it influences your vision of the future? >> Yeah, so as a CTO, it allows us to go from the development platform of a laptop of developers to via simple one server deployment for our open source versions, but can start on any VM or any one machine, down to a distributed system with thousands of servers and hundreds of petabytes. And it's all the same container. So the flexibility is huge. And for continuous delivery, continuous integration platforms that we have, being able to use the exact same code from a laptop workstation to the actual deployment improves quality a lot. >> Alright. And Giorgio, the keynotes today talked about a lot of open source things there, there's the Moby Project, there's Linux kit. You know, are you guys involved in any of the open source? How are your customers, you know, embracing open source these days? >> So Dockers, we're using a lot of software. We can not take everything and bring it to enterprise. You know it's not, we're a software company that sells products, so we don't actually also own platform. It's our customers. So we need to go a little bit slower. So Docker is faster than ever with these new features. But that means that official (mumbles) that was released last year, like Swarm, now is ready to be used in production for all customers. And so that brings me back to the announcement from today. So the last time we talked in Las Vegas our open source was new and we had $50,000. Now we have $250,000. So in less than six months I think its four month and a half we added $200,000. And one of our reasons for that is that it's so easy to use it with Docker. And then people in the community were telling us that they need to be deployed in a, you know, a (mumbles) fashion, so being able to lose a machine and continue having the storage working, which makes sense, but not at the scale of a wing. Not at a scale of our multi petabyte systems. So something in the middle. And so we tried to look at developing our own automation, our own fault tolerance, and we said "Wait a minute. Docker is doing that." They built Docker Swarm, that does exactly what we wanted to do. So can we use that? So our videos from today is you can actually deploy our storage system using Docker Swarm, so if you come online, it will automatically be fault tolerant. If you lose a machine, it will start from another machine. And it all works, load balance automatically. And with security as well because communication can be unencrypted. So it's all of these benefits. By just using Swarm, we don't have to code anything. So we'll follow up on that. >> Giorgio, Solomon talked about this morning. Docker will be where you want it to be. So you know, on premise, in the public cloud, around. You talk a little bit, you know, your software, the breath of support you have. We talked to you at AWS, think you guys support Azure. What's driving you to certain environments, what are your customers doing, and what is that breathe that you guys offer? >> So a lot of things that Solomon said resonate with our customers. So one things is that you don't want to be stuck with one platform. You want the liberty to be able to pick and choose and change. And so storage is very sticky, so if you have a petabyte somewhere, it's going to be hard to move. But what you can be sure is the next year, it's going to be two petabyte. So when the extension comes in, you want to be able to select your hardware vendor for private, but also for public. What about if you could decide the next four petabyte go on Google Cloud Compute and the next five petabyte go on Azure so that you're not stuck with any of them. And so what we are realizing, but first we need to talk about that, is the ability to deploy your SV service, so our objects, your service, and target within some instance multiple storage backend. And it can be local, so local volumes, drives on your machine, very simple stuff. Maybe even a NFS, ZFS mount point works as well. It can be public using AWS. And we're adding Azure and Google Cloud Compute. So the same S3 code base can actually give you different location, and the location can be hybrid, local, private, public, you name it. >> Another key focus that Docker talked about, especially in the open source community, is security. Can you can speak to how security fits into your environment? Anything in your announcement that enhances the security pieces? >> Yes. So there is a lot of key management to be done. So access keys, identification key, SSL keys. And each vendor is going to build their own. They're trying to think about their own ways to actually store this sensitive information. With Docker, we haven't done it yet, but what Solomon said, there wasn't any keys there. What about if you use Docker as your security identification provider, so it takes one shop for everything else? And this is something I am going to look at. We haven't implemented it yet, but I'm going to look at it. The other thing that was said, I think it was in it, but that is portability. So we developed our own identification engine called Volt, which actually implements via Amazon IM interface, so an identity and access management. So it's pretty standard. But if you use Volt, the same identification taken for local will work on AWS. It will also work on Azure and also work on Google Cloud. So as an IT admin, I can just use mine to deactivate, connect it to a security Volt. And if a user leaves a company I can just delete it from a directory and it will disappear from all the clouds in one big portable transparent way. So yeah, this is kind of the things we look at as well. >> Jim: With multi level access control and roll based. >> So groups, roll based-- >> The delegations and so forth? >> The delegation is in there as well. So it's a big bet. Last year we decided to implement IM, which nobody else has done. And it pays off a lot because a lot of our customers are banks, insurance companies, and they need that level of security. Alright? It's a big advantage. >> Now Giorgio, one of the big things that's been talked about for the last six months or so is how things like IoT are really going to drive edge computing. I think back to the early days of object storage and I am curious how that whole development fits into what you're doing and how you think about storage. >> So we're looking at IoT very closely. There's a lot of volumes, but with volumes arrived after the data has been crunched, you got some sort of consolidation, right? And the object storage is perfect for material. So lets say we daily start a VH with very precise granularity. Then it get compressed into some kind of time service data. And this keeps very well in object storage. For the edge storage itself, I don't think there is a solution today. And there's no standard as well. So I'm looking at this and seeing what was going to happen. But I think object storage are great for for storing all of the archive but not good for the real time IoT data. But I'm still looking into what standards are going on in the archives. >> You have federated object storage for the fog, ya know, and the IoT. >> It's both a database type workload and object storage, so it's fascinating. But there's no answer yet. I don't think so, unless you guys tell me you've seen it. (laughs) >> Jim: I'm not aware of it. >> Okay Giorgio, so you've got the announcement. What other things can you tell us Scality, what's going on this week? Have you had any customer conversations this week yet that have stood out to you? >> Yes, we have a few partners at DockerCon, so it's great to be able to meet them here. I'm also looking at automation. So Docker Swarm is one, Swarm kit, but there's also Kubernetes and Mesosphere. They are all here this week, so I'm going to talk to them. And HP, which is one of our partners, is here too, so we're going to talk about this as well. And I need to find some time to understand the security model we talked about. >> Alright, well Giorgio, we really appreciate all the updates here. Want to give you a final word on what's exciting you. You talked about some of the partner things, but anything else you would want people to take away from this show? >> Yes. So I think the hybrid model for storage makes a lot of sense because you don't want to be stuck to a provider. And I was just going to say that in a few months, so in June, we're going to make a big announcement. And that will show that with Scality, you can leverage any cloud and automatically like manage your data on multiple providers. And we're going to give a hint of that next week at NAB. Where I'll be presenting a large customer of some of the prototypes that we've been working on. >> Well Giorgio Regni, really appreciate you to talk to you again. We'll be back, wrapping up day one of Docker Con 2017. You're watching theCUBE. (calm and chill electronic music) >> Thanks for watching theCUBE.