(upbeat music) >> Hey welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We are live at Moscone Center at the RSA Convention. 40,000 security professionals are here, talking about security. This thing grows every single year. We're happy to be here and excited for our next guest, Ajay Gupta. He's the Global Director, Product Marketing and Management from Huawei. Welcome. >> Oh thank you, Jeff. Pleasure to be here. Thanks for your time. >> Absolutely, so you've been coming here for years. You laughed at me when I asked how long you've been coming here. >> Oh it's been ages, you can look at me and you can imagine. >> No, look, all hairs still dark. >> Oh come on, you're being too nice to me. >> So what's really changed, as you've been coming for years. Kind of at a global perspective? >> Yeah, yeah I think we've seen the nature of security change, the nature of threats change. The different companies have changed actually over the years. The crowd has gone up and swelled like 40,000 you mentioned. So, we really think this show has really become the gold standard for the trade shows when it comes to security. We weren't there at RSA but last few years we have made it a point to be here every year to talk to the customers here. >> Yeah. >> And you meet all the people from all over the world. That's the best part, customers, partners, everybody. >> It's interesting because a big part of the theme here is collaboration and ecosystem. And nobody can do it alone. Everyone covers different pieces of the puzzle. I know you guys are trying to grow your ecosystem. What does ecosystem mean to Huawei? >> Absolutely. I think we do believe from a security perspective no single vendor can offer the best of the breach security to their customers. We really need partners, the ecosystem. Huawei has something called being integrated. That is, bringing the partners onboard to offer different pieces of the puzzle. In fact it's a good point to mention. We are announcing two announcements this morning actually. The first one what we'll talk about is Avira. It's the best AV engine company in Germany. Huawei really recognizes the importance of the AV. So we are bringing their AV engine on the Huawei's next generation firewall. It really brings two things. Performance and accuracy. That's what people need from a AV point of view. The second announcement we're going to make really is what's called the Huawei USG9000V. It's a security gateway actually. So as the cloud's proliferation, as people are moving to the cloud, as people are using more and more SAS applications, you're going to see lot more security building from the cloud perspective. Our USG9000V is actually the perfect gateway to combat the security threats in the cloud. So virtual data centers, the cloud data centers, the OTT's, we really bring all the different kinds of security in the USG9000V. The announcement we are making is really an upgraded version of the existing security appliance that we call 6000V. Again, it's a software security. Works with different VMs whether it's KVM, whether it's zen, whether MS6. Huawei's own virtual system. Huawei's FushionSphere. The performance is in terabit so you can actually go in and read some of the specs from the Huawei's perspective. One of the best of the V products for virtual security. >> Right. And the cloud's changed everything, right? So many applications are delivered via the cloud now. And even if it's not a cloud and it's an internal cloud people want the flexibility of cloud. They want to scalability of cloud. They really want the way the cloud works for them to deliver the applications to their customers and their employees. >> Definitely. So three things I'm going to mention here from a cloud perspective. What people are looking for from a cloud security perspective is on demand. How do you scale in, scale out as the demands of the bandwidth goes up. You got to make sure your network security is able to keep up with that demand. People are looking for visibility. You've got this multitude of appliances, boxes, cloud boxes, cloud security all over the place. How do you make sense out of it? How do you really bring all of those thresholds, all of those unloads come together into the form of CIO or CSO can really understand. >> Right. >> And the last thing I'm going to make it easy to configure. PLug and play. Some of the automation feature. Automation people are starting to move in the security but you got to be careful when you bring automation from a security perspective. You need to automate task that are not that mission critical. But as we more and more trust, you're going to see more security automation in the industry. >> Yeah. Because when it's cloud it just needs to work, right. Everybody just expects, I can add more capacity, I can spin it down. And it just needs to work. It's somebody else's problem, it's somebody else's data center. >> I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I just know it works. >> Yeah. >> I pick up my phone, it's going to kick. That's exactly the concept of security. But you got to be really careful when it comes to security because you got to make sure that when, suppose the positive threats and positive and negative threats actually. How do you combat and make sure you automate from the positive point of view and not from a negative point of view. >> But there's one thing that hasn't changed, cloud or no cloud. And they talked about it in the keynote and that great line was every company has at least one person that will click on anything. (laughs) >> Oh, I love it. I love it actually. >> How do we get past, I mean, they're still getting the email from the African king who needs some dollar >> Nigeria, Nigeria >> For Nigeria. >> Let me put I this way. I would say hackers are getting smarter and smarter. How do you keep up with the threats from the hackers who are one step ahead of you. How do you really combat threats, unknown threats, in the future? So I think things we have seen in 2016, the phishing attacks are back on the rise actually. Always do you see Ransomware. Form the point of Ransomware I should mention there's something called par pon ton from Ransomware that I'm going to let you off the hook if you infect two other computers actually. I don't need the money from you. So hackers are coming with those innovations to really go and hack more people actually. You seen what happened with the collected costs. Chrysler had a recall on 1.4 million vehicles in the past. Do you see what's happened with the camera, the surveillance camera. So I think two things we really need to watch out in 2017. One is Ransomware and the number two thing which is extremely, extremely important is industrial IOT actually. >> Absolutely. >> As the sensors get deployed more and more around the world you've got to make sure those sensors are able to keep up with the threat, it's not easy. So what Huawei provides to the table is really end to end security. Two things in security; multi-layered security and security indifference. Those are the principles from the bottom, not from the top down. >> Right. It's funny, the funniest, it's not funny really. The Ransomware story was fake Ransomware. I didn't really put Ransomware on your machine I just told you that I did so go ahead and pay me anyway. And the other thought is really the ability for them to build a business because of Bitcoin as a way to collect anonymous money from people. That enabled a rise in the escalation in Ransomware. It's a complicated world. They give you the last take as people drive away, leave RSA 2017, really what should be the top of mind as they think about what's going to happen and what we'll be talking about when we come back a year from now? >> I think two things I would really suggest people to really take away from the RSA this year. First of all, what's happening in the industry? What's happening in the market? Keep updated with the latest threat. See what vendors had a very comprehensive solution from an end to end perspective. Really go do their own research, making sure that security is not an after thought. Security it needs to be proactive. Security needs to be built up from ground up. Don't regard security as something secondary actually. As long as people put premium on security, that's going to save their face rather than to be appearing on the Wall Street front page or have been hacked. They say there are two kinds of companies. 50% claim that they have been hacked. 50% know they just don't admit it. That's all. >> Alright, very good. Well Ajay thanks for stopping by and congrats on a great show. >> My pleasure, thanks Jeff. Thank you very much. >> He's Ajay Gupta, I'm Jeff Frick. You're watching theCUBE from RSA conference in downtown San Francisco. Thanks for watching. (upbeat music)

(upbeat techno music) (upbeat techno music) >> Hey welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with the Cube, We're in downtown, San Francisco at the RSA Conference. It's like 40,000 people, security people, talking about security. It's a new age in security, with all the things that happened with the election, and all types of interesting phishing attacks, and a lot of professionals here trying to stop the problem. So we're excited to be joined by our next guest, Ian Foo. He's the Director of Product Marketing from Hauwei, Ian welcome. >> Thank you, thank you Jeff, it's good to be here. Glad to join everyone here, it's pretty exciting, very busy. >> Yeah, it's very busy. >> Yep we're here showing what Hauwei has to offer in the market, and what we're highlighting this year at RSA. There are three main areas that we're trying to bring attention to. One of those is the latest in terms of our functional capabilities and offerings in our network security portfolio. So our network security devices. The other is what we're doing in our ecosystem partnership. We're expanding our partnerships, trying to build an ecosystem with industry leading partners. So it'll be well to bring better value to the end users and to our customers. And the third is what we're offering in terms of new platforms and capabilities in technologies, in our innovation in cloud infrastructure security. Helping cloud providers or enterprisers add security to their private cloud, or their cloud service infrastructure. >> Alright so let's unpack those a little bit. >> Sure. >> So the first one is really the cloud. >> Ian: Yes. >> You know, ovbiously with the rise of AWS really driving public cloud. >> [Ian} Yep. >> There's no longer a question and apps like Sales Force. >> Ian: Right. The enterprise is pretty comfortable with cloud. >> Ian: Right. >> How has that really changed your world from a security perspective, supporting public cloud providers? >> Ian: Yep. >> Private cloud providers, and then of course hybrid cloud inside the enterprise that still want to deliver kind of cloud agility, cloud flexibility? Right, so it's actually changed the landscape in quite a few ways. When we move from traditional security within the enterprise, and expand that to cloud service providers, and enterprisers trying to build private cloud, we're looking at a few things that have evolved. We're looking at scale, first and foremost. That's the one that pops into most people's mind. Now, especially in a cloud service provider environment, we're providing services to potentially thousands of customers. Scale reliability, availability becomes critical. Those are areas that we've traditionally excelled in. But what's evolving is the way threats are addressed and recognized, and the way policy is pushed within those environments. So for their customers, cloud service providers are looking for ways to be able to provide policy capabilities that match what the enterpriser is used to in their environment. So we tried to build the technologies and tools that enable cloud service providers to do exactly that. >> Right. >> Provide enterprise class-compliant security capabilities, defense against DDoS attacks within their cloud infrastructure for those enterprisers. >> Yeah it's interesting in the keynote, they talked about every company has at least one person that will click on anything. >> Ian: Right. >> Right. And they also talked about kind of the increased attack area of people's homes. >> Ian: Right. >> Because a lot more people now work from homes. >> Ian: Correct. >> Right? They're accessing the corporate networks. >> Ian: Yep. >> The corporate application. >> That's right. >> From their home, from the coffee shop on their phone. >> Absolutely. >> So that's changed the... >> From their cars. >> The landscape quite a bit. >> Right from yeah... >> And not to mention the cars. >> Yeah so that absolutely has. Again it goes back to what I mentioned earlier. Scale, so now we're looking at a widened threat base, or a widened threat surface, if you will. Especially when it comes to not just consumers, from mobile devices, home access, but now IoT. And when we expand IoT to both, to the industrial Iot as well as consumer Iot, what we're seeing is many more entrance points into what we consider the enterprise space. >> Right. >> And so now securing all of those points of presence, and applying a multi-layered approach to security, becomes much more complicated. And that's where we try to develop the technologies and innovations driven by our customers to help them solve those problems. >> Right, which also kind of drives into one of your other points, is ecosystem. >> Ian: Right. >> Right so we cover a lot of tech shows. >> Ian: Absolutely. >> We got 100 shows a year. And everyone is trying to build an ecosystem because you can't just do it alone. >> Ian: That's right. >> And one of the big themes that came out again, out of the keynote, is this idea of yes we compete, yes there's 40,000 people here. I don't even know how many companies, but we compete on different places. But if we share bad guy information... >> Ian: That's correct. >> ...Effectively, efficiently, it helps us all out in keeping our customers safe. >> Absolutely, absolutely so it's all about ecosystems, because, I think, for a true multi-layered approach, multi-perspective approach to security, it's all about teamwork. Right and as you said, we cant be an expert at everything. We have to recognize, each vendor has to recognize where they're strengths lie, where their fortes are, where their expertise is, and then partner to complement that to provide that multi-layered approach that the end user is looking for. >> Right. >> And that's what we're trying to do. Here we have announced quite a few partnerships. We have aligned with notable names in the industry. Such as, Intel-McAfee, Avira, AlgoSec, and we're working with companies like FireMon, to help build that ecosystem partnership to create that team effect. >> Right >> In providing multi-layered approach, best in breed, multi-layered approach to security in the enterprise. >> Interesting this morning I don't know if that was breaking news, or I just was behind the news, that McAfee is actually going to spin out of Intel and be a wholly-owned company. >> Yeah I heard a little bit about that. Yeah, it's interesting, it's a very dynamic industry. It constantly changes, ongoing here and there. >> Right. That can be great, it allows people to focus in certain ways. But yeah, not surprising there is constant changes in this industry. >> Right, but then the one thing that's stayed the same but is still growing in importance even with cloud, you still have the enterprise data center. >> Ian: Absolutely. Right and those things continue to grow and are very, very important. >> Right. >> And there's just a lot of stuff that's not going to make it to cloud. So how have you seen kind of the enterprise data center kind of situation change? >> Ian: Yep. >> With these new threats, with clouds, with hybrid? >> Right, well so what we're seeing, especially in the enterprise data center is, we're seeing an evolution from traditional fireball security, which is still necessary. But we're seeing that, the attacks and the access points are becoming more sophisticated. We're seeing progression in ransomware and advanced persistent threats. It goes back to what you said before, a component is that there's always going to be that guy that clicks on anything. >> Right. >> And it could, who knows that thing could be? So what we're seeing there is an evolution of security and awareness to the point of customers asking for awareness to applications, to files, to contents. So to that notion, some of the things we're announcing here and sharing with our customers and potential customers, our technologies to help prevent ransomware, our platform like our Firehunter, a sandboxing technology, which provides defenses against advanced persistent threats, as well inline, streaming-based, security capabilities, where we partnered for example with Avira. We complement our network-based security, for streaming inspection of files and contents and streams. We complement that with their abilities in malware and signature-based recognition, to provide a multi-layered, comprehensive approach to dealing with the new types of security threats we're seeing. >> Right, so Ian you been comin to the show for awhile, you've been in the industry for long time. >> Ian: Yep, it's been a bit. >> There's 40,000 people, what's kind of your take, kind of take it a step back from the specifics, >> Ian: Right. >> Like kind of the evolution of the security industry I think... >> Ian: Yep. >> One of the stats I heard the other day is like, 1.5% of the IT spend was for security. Now that's up to like five or ten. >> Ian: Right, right. >> It's growing in importance, but the technology out in front of the security is just rockin and rollin. >> Ian: Right. >> And IoT and 5G is just the next kind of big wave comin. >> Correct >> So, what's kind of your perspective as you look back and kind of look forward? >> Well it's obvious, it's very obvious, from just the numbers you sharing that, rather than be peripheral to the business, security is now core to the business. Instead of just supporting business, it's become a key piece to being able to deliver business reliably. And I think that enterprisers have recognized that. What's happening is that we're seeing an acceleration in the evolution of threats, in the entrance vectors in the various areas. Because of the adoption rate and snowballing effect that we're seeing in technology in general. And I think that security has become better at trying to keep up with that pace, rather than falling behind the curve as we have in the past. Mainly because enterprisers recognized the relevance and importance of it. So we're no longer selling insurance, when we sell security, we're selling business-enabling value, and how we protect brand recognition and brand capabilities for our end users and customers. >> It's a whole nother kettle a fish. >> Ian: Right. >> That we don't have time to get into right now but we went to a presentation last night about the whole insurance angle on... >> Ian: Right. >> On security, which is, like I said, is a whole different kettle a fish. We'll save that for next time so Ian... >> Sounds good. >> Thanks for stoppin by. >> Great well thanks for having us. Great being here with you and enjoy the show. >> Absolutely, he's Ian Foo, I'm Jeff Frick, you're watching The Cube from RSA Conference in San Franciso. 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(upbeat music) >> Hey welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We are live at Moscone Center at the RSA Convention. 40,000 security professionals are here, talking about security. This thing grows every single year. We're happy to be here and excited for our next guest, Ajay Gupta. He's the Global Director, Product Marketing and Management from Huawei. Welcome. >> Oh thank you, Jeff. Pleasure to be here. Thanks for your time. >> Absolutely, so you've been coming here for years. You laughed at me when I asked how long you've been coming here. >> Oh it's been ages, you can look at me and you can imagine. >> No, look, all hairs still dark. >> Oh come on, you're being too nice to me. >> So what's really changed, as you've been coming for years. Kind of at a global perspective? >> Yeah, yeah I think we've seen the nature of security change, the nature of threats change. The different companies have changed actually over the years. The crowd has gone up and swelled like 40,000 you mentioned. So, we really think this show has really become the gold standard for the trade shows when it comes to security. We weren't there at RSA but last few years we have made it a point to be here every year to talk to the customers here. >> Yeah. >> And you meet all the people from all over the world. That's the best part, customers, partners, everybody. >> It's interesting because a big part of the theme here is collaboration and ecosystem. And nobody can do it alone. Everyone covers different pieces of the puzzle. I know you guys are trying to grow your ecosystem. What does ecosystem mean to Huawei? >> Absolutely. I think we do believe from a security perspective no single vendor can offer the best of the breach security to their customers. We really need partners, the ecosystem. Huawei has something called being integrated. That is, bringing the partners onboard to offer different pieces of the puzzle. In fact it's a good point to mention. We are announcing two announcements this morning actually. The first one what we'll talk about is Avira. It's the best AV engine company in Germany. Huawei really recognizes the importance of the AV. So we are bringing their AV engine on the Huawei's next generation firewall. It really brings two things. Performance and accuracy. That's what people need from a AV point of view. The second announcement we're going to make really is what's called the Huawei USG9000V. It's a security gateway actually. So as the cloud's proliferation, as people are moving to the cloud, as people are using more and more SAS applications, you're going to see lot more security building from the cloud perspective. Our USG9000V is actually the perfect gateway to combat the security threats in the cloud. So virtual data centers, the cloud data centers, the OTT's, we really bring all the different kinds of security in the USG9000V. The announcement we are making is really an upgraded version of the existing security appliance that we call 6000V. Again, it's a software security. Works with different VMs whether it's KVM, whether it's zen, whether MS6. Huawei's own virtual system. Huawei's FushionSphere. The performance is in terabit so you can actually go in and read some of the specs from the Huawei's perspective. One of the best of the V products for virtual security. >> Right. And the cloud's changed everything, right? So many applications are delivered via the cloud now. And even if it's not a cloud and it's an internal cloud people want the flexibility of cloud. They want to scalability of cloud. They really want the way the cloud works for them to deliver the applications to their customers and their employees. >> Definitely. So three things I'm going to mention here from a cloud perspective. What people are looking for from a cloud security perspective is on demand. How do you scale in, scale out as the demands of the bandwidth goes up. You got to make sure your network security is able to keep up with that demand. People are looking for visibility. You've got this multitude of appliances, boxes, cloud boxes, cloud security all over the place. How do you make sense out of it? How do you really bring all of those thresholds, all of those unloads come together into the form of CIO or CSO can really understand. >> Right. >> And the last thing I'm going to make it easy to configure. PLug and play. Some of the automation feature. Automation people are starting to move in the security but you got to be careful when you bring automation from a security perspective. You need to automate task that are not that mission critical. But as we more and more trust, you're going to see more security automation in the industry. >> Yeah. Because when it's cloud it just needs to work, right. Everybody just expects, I can add more capacity, I can spin it down. And it just needs to work. It's somebody else's problem, it's somebody else's data center. >> I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I just know it works. >> Yeah. >> I pick up my phone, it's going to kick. That's exactly the concept of security. But you got to be really careful when it comes to security because you got to make sure that when, suppose the positive threats and positive and negative threats actually. How do you combat and make sure you automate from the positive point of view and not from a negative point of view. >> But there's one thing that hasn't changed, cloud or no cloud. And they talked about it in the keynote and that great line was every company has at least one person that will click on anything. (laughs) >> Oh, I love it. I love it actually. >> How do we get past, I mean, they're still getting the email from the African king who needs some dollar >> Nigeria, Nigeria >> For Nigeria. >> Let me put I this way. I would say hackers are getting smarter and smarter. How do you keep up with the threats from the hackers who are one step ahead of you. How do you really combat threats, unknown threats, in the future? So I think things we have seen in 2016, the phishing attacks are back on the rise actually. Always do you see Ransomware. Form the point of Ransomware I should mention there's something called par pon ton from Ransomware that I'm going to let you off the hook if you infect two other computers actually. I don't need the money from you. So hackers are coming with those innovations to really go and hack more people actually. You seen what happened with the collected costs. Chrysler had a recall on 1.4 million vehicles in the past. Do you see what's happened with the camera, the surveillance camera. So I think two things we really need to watch out in 2017. One is Ransomware and the number two thing which is extremely, extremely important is industrial IOT actually. >> Absolutely. >> As the sensors get deployed more and more around the world you've got to make sure those sensors are able to keep up with the threat, it's not easy. So what Huawei provides to the table is really end to end security. Two things in security; multi-layered security and security indifference. Those are the principles from the bottom, not from the top down. >> Right. It's funny, the funniest, it's not funny really. The Ransomware story was fake Ransomware. I didn't really put Ransomware on your machine I just told you that I did so go ahead and pay me anyway. And the other thought is really the ability for them to build a business because of Bitcoin as a way to collect anonymous money from people. That enabled a rise in the escalation in Ransomware. It's a complicated world. They give you the last take as people drive away, leave RSA 2017, really what should be the top of mind as they think about what's going to happen and what we'll be talking about when we come back a year from now? >> I think two things I would really suggest people to really take away from the RSA this year. First of all, what's happening in the industry? What's happening in the market? Keep updated with the latest threat. See what vendors had a very comprehensive solution from an end to end perspective. Really go do their own research, making sure that security is not an after thought. Security it needs to be proactive. Security needs to be built up from ground up. Don't regard security as something secondary actually. As long as people put premium on security, that's going to save their face rather than to be appearing on the Wall Street front page or have been hacked. They say there are two kinds of companies. 50% claim that they have been hacked. 50% know they just don't admit it. That's all. >> Alright, very good. Well Ajay thanks for stopping by and congrats on a great show. >> My pleasure, thanks Jeff. Thank you very much. >> He's Ajay Gupta, I'm Jeff Frick. You're watching theCUBE from RSA conference in downtown San Francisco. Thanks for watching. (upbeat music)