(upbeat music) >> Live from Boston, Massachusetts It's theCUBE covering Red Hat Summit 2019. (upbeat music) Brought to you by Red Hat. >> Welcome back live here in Boston along with Stu Miniman, I'm John Walls. You are watching The Cube. We are at the Red Hat Summit for the sixth time in our cube history. Glad to be here. Beautiful, gorgeous day Stu by the way in your hometown. >> Yeah love, beautiful day. It was a little cold when we were here two years ago, but lovely spring day here in Boston Yeah great to be here Glad you're with us here on the Cube Glad to have John Healy with us as well He is the VP of the Internet of Things group at Intel as long as the GM of Platform Management and Customer Engineering John, good morning to you. >> Good morning to you too >> You're kind of the newbie on the block in the IOT group Your data center for a long time moving over to IOT, so just if you would tell me a little bit about that transition >> Yeah, it's been good. >> What you're seeing and kind of what's exciting you about this opportunity for you. >> So it's really interesting, I spent nearly 15 years with the data center group at Intel, did a ton of work with partners like Red Hat over the years. A lot of our focus was in how we bring a lot of data center technologies and grow them somewhat beyond the basic data center. I spent a lot of time on the data network side working with com service providers and Aviv and the build out of their softwarization or cloudification if you like of the infrastructure and now moving over to IOT it's almost like I'm going to the other end of the wire. You know all of the applications and the services we were focused on were very much IOT centric You know enabling new markets, enabling customers to do things when they connected their different devices in ways they couldn't have done before. So, a lot of the focus now is on how we continue to bring those cloud technologies. A lot of things that have matured in the data center further and further down and a lot of cases to the edge in talking about the cloudification of the edge and enable new IOT services and IOT applications to fulfilled and to be delivered. >> John you bring great context to this discussion and I've said the last 10 years there was that pull of the cloud and Intel is at every single show that we go to And a lot of people haven't fully understand and grasp. They hear edge computing, they hear IOT and it's big you know orders of magnitudes more devices you know the surface area that we're going to do their but a lot of times, they're like oh well we're bringing it out of the cloud and back there and we're back in the data center I'm like no no no no no This is not the data centers that you built before, but there is connection between data centers >> Sure >> And the cloud and the edge and the edge in there so you've got good content. Help frame it a little bit as to where we are in the discussion. Some of the users, where they are in the whole IOT discussion. >> Yeah and I think we need to take a step back from looking at one demographic versus another think of IOT versus cloud It really is the continued proliferation of distributed computing. Think of that as sort of the horizontal underpinning of all... >> Absolutely. >> It's how do I enable more and more advanced intelligence and insight to be gained from the data that is being created and derived in how I run my infrastructure and relay new services and new capabilities on top of it and then you start applying that to all of the different markets and there's almost no market that you could conceive that can't take advantage of that So, as we build out data center capability and all of the underpinnings and how you best build out those platforms and take advantage of all the innovation, work with you know partners like Red Hat as being a critical component of that. So, you know we've worked with them for almost actually since the beginning, we were one of the early investors and work with a partner like Red Hat to make sure that those infrastructure components are optimized to work well together build a reference architecture that can be deployable in a data center environment whether it's in an enterprise or in a cloud vendors environment and increasingly enable them to build open and hybrid implementations Now, the reason I start there is because really we are proliferating from that pace. So if you consider, and we do, that the future is open, hybrid implementations, hybrid cloud, multi cloud where the workload can be enabled and supported by the best implementation and best environment from it. Could be the best cloud environment, the best underpinning platforms and the best solution stacks to enable that to occur. We're now moving that into realm of more and more of the IOT applications whether it's in industrial environments, it's in healthcare environments, in retail and automotive, all across the different landscape the premises is essentially the same that we insure that the right environment is created for the application to be supported and we're bringing more and more of the environmental you know capabilities of cloud like deployment cloud like management, increasingly out into those applications So, if you look at each of the different markets they're at differing points of their maturity or of their development I like to use the example of the com service provider the telecom service providers as sort of a basis of this is what happened when an entire market looked at the benefits of data center technology or server technologies and wanted the economies of scale and the openness of those environments to be appropriate and deployed in their environment, in their networks and we've seen that over the last 10 years in the journey from software SaaS for defining networking all the way through to NFV and now it's happening with cloudification of the network. Industrial environments are very very similar Decades of building you know vertically integrated solutions but not looking for the economies of scale that cloud like technology and open interfaces and open extractions can provide and we're starting to see them embark on that journey in a very similar manner. So, I see parallels as we move through from one market to the other But the basic underpinning is very similar. How we take advantage of those capabilities. >> Yeah fascinating stuff You said it's distributed architectures is where were building I look at Intel and it's fascinating to me because one the one hand everything's becoming more and more distributed yet at the same time you're baking things down into the chip as much as you can, you're working with partners at Red Hat to make sure that you know what gets baked into the kernels so you've got that give and take that it is both being as distributed as possible yet every component gets things like security built in to it and it has to work with all of the environments so it's not the discreet components that we might have had before and you talk about6 you know IT versus OT well they're becoming very similar, telecommunications is not the telecom of the dot com boom. They're doing things like NFV and the likes so you know we're starting to see IT kind of take over a lot of those environments are we not? >> Well, I think IT constructs and the abilities and capabilities of IT and it's the merging really is and we saw this you know we seen it over the last number of years it really is a marriage of both environments coming together the mechanism but though which IT will deploy and manage the infrastructure married to the expectations from a SLA and quality of service and such that's required on the network just as one example and then as we work with our partner like Red Hat, what's critically important is that we have multiparty approaches to the market which I think Stu to your point is kind of another dynamic we're seeing is that the implementation of the final solution at a platform level requires collaboration across multiple different entities, multiple different partners so if we're working with Cisco or with Dell or with Lenovo and Red Hat we're bringing together reference architectures that take advantage of the innovations in the platform, the work we're doing, the innovations into the silicone and the enabling and preservation of those innovations through the software stack. So whether its RHEL or Rev or its OSP and make sure that those are exposed and can be preserved in the implementation so then the application that sits on top of the stack can take advantage all the way down and be provisioned such that it maintains the policies and the levels of performance and such that of being defined for it. >> I'd like to you know go back to the telecom illustration that you were talking about just a movement ago and we talked about the internet of things and this explosion of devices and capabilities and the new spectrum that's being rolled out right 5G on the horizon You know very much in a nascent stage right now What is that going to do in terms of your attention or your focus because of the capabilities are going to be provided you know that I can't even imagine the kinds of speeds we're talking about the kind of capabilities we're talking about. How does that change your world? >> I think what is fundamental about 5G is how it starts to address some of the underpinning challenges in deploying multiple billions of connected endpoints or devices so IOT you know subscribes really to two things Connectivity and then the access to our unleashing of all of the data it's really those two dynamics Once you comment these devices together or provide for connectivity to and from them, you now have the ability to drive more insight from the data that they're capturing and make more intelligent and informed decisions about how you provision and then all sources of new applications and service types become possible as a result of that but there in both of those there's a challenge. How do you connect all of those devices together in a manner that's you know efficient to deploy and easy to manage and also provide for the connectivity that is very burst in nature You know there are time when you will need pretty reasonable sizeable bandwidth if it's a video type application and times when you really won't need very much at all and how do you do that in an environment that's affordable and cost effective to deploy? If you're a manufacturing plant manager running cable to every single one of your You know nodes or connectors or sensors across your production plant is a pretty orneriest task and its an expensive capital deployment, but 5G provides you the ability to provide that connectivity within your enterprise or within your factory environment in an efficient manner. It's wireless based. It also provides for the very low latency that allows for real time applications and it provides for mass deployment and management of very large numbers of endpoints so if we think of the density of 5G the low latency capability of it and then the manageability in framework that is in an environment that is predictable that is policy and SLA governed you start to address some of the really fundamental challenges that connecting vast numbers of devices that that can present. So I see 5G as a path to significantly accelerating what we have always envisioned as being the internet of things and as a result of it, new services and new service categories will be enabled on top of it that were before maybe possible but not possible in an efficient and affordable manner >> Can you give me a practical example of that or just... >> Well, if you think even a smart city as an example where the light posts and the traffic signals and kiosks are all playing a role in a connected mesh of interconnected entities you could have a situation and you know for the US audience something like an Amber Alert which we'd see where we want to you know search for a very specific license plate in the city. Well today its a pretty manual process, the Amber Alert is issued, it may be a text on your phone. We get those alerts, there's often times a display over to the smart display over the freeway but then it's up to the drivers to look out. Well just consider the possibilities when the cars using their own vision, which the autonomous driving you know evolution or revolution is allowing us progressing All of the cameras on all of the cars now become actively watching for license plates and they can pick up whether and then a car can enroll itself into or out of that service so if your car is sitting at a garage and this request comes it'll report back I'm sitting in the garage I'm not part of the mix but if it's on the freeway, it can enroll itself and start to actively search for that license plate that's an example and then all of the connected nodes across the city become points for an exchange of data to and from the different cars as they are passing by and all of that infrastructure is enabled by 5G. So that's an application that yeah we don't have it today, but it becomes a very possible application in the future. >> Alright John, so we're at Red Hat Summit and as you said Intel and Red Hat have a long partnership RHEL 8 was announced today can you give us the latest on the deep integrations and what users should be expecting. >> Yeah and what we're really excited about with Red Hat over the years we've really shared a common vision about what we believe the industry should be capable of achieving and this concept of open hybrid environment, it's open hybrid clouds we've been working with them for a long time on how we best enable that so in upstream we work well together, we collaborate on what technologies we want to see exposed and supported within the different communities and then on the downstream into the products with the example of what you're describing to do with RHEL 8 What's really exciting is we did it just as a example, we did a very large data centric launch in early April We were extremely excited to bring you know a whole portfolio of new products to the market together to expand form new CPUs all the way through to some of our storage products and memory products and the capabilities of each of those is what really needs to continued to be integrated and supported with the product portfolio that Red Hat had so with RHEL 8 we're seeing things like our DL Boost for deep learning you know taking advantage of specific accelerations within the CPU in our scalable ZM processor so it can take advantage of those and really enhance the performance and behavior of the deep learning algorithms just as one example and that's you know time to market with us on RHEL 8 we're delighted about the integration as it happened same thing with some of our memory technologies and the support for those within RHEL so a customer deploying an application knows that the innovations within the hardware within the silicone are available and manageable form the software environment that they're deploying and that's the benefit of this tight collaboration as we plan together for future you know innovations and how they can best be integrated and do the work upstream in advance of that so that the community issues whether it's open shift or open stack is enabled and capable of the support at the same time >> Internet of things just before you head off where do you want to, you're still relatively fresh right to that space, where do you think you want it to go with Intel? Like what's your vision or what are your thoughts about the kinds of areas that you'd like to explore here over the next 18-24 months? >> I think we have, first thing is an incredibly exciting market some of the examples we just spoke about, the possibilities that they open up for our customers but also for our partners to really evoke new forms of business, new revenues, new capabilities as a result of bringing the marriage of cloud technology together with the economics of you know volume technology consumption and deployment and all of those assets across into a new set of applications that IOT opens up I see tremendous opportunity to make that marriage happen but also because I've spent so much time on the infrastructure side and very much with com service providers you know I can feel the pent up desire to find ways to deploy new types of manage services and new monetization models if they can get inside the data how we do optimal deployment of networks manage infrastructure on behalf of end customers and all that becomes possible if we bring the application and the IOT closer to the infrastructure so a lot of my focus will really be on bridging across those different worlds ensuring that work with you know partners like Red Hat continue to be the developed very successfully and we open up new opportunities for each other >> Sure. An exciting time, there's no doubt about that. You're at this great convergence right? You're at the fun and games part of this with devices and that exponential growth John thanks for thanks for the time. >> Sure, thank you. >> Glad to have you here on theCUBE once again John Healy joining us from Intel back with more live from Boston you're watching theCUBE. (upbeat music)