>> Announcer: From Denver, Colorado it's theCUBE. Covering Super Computing 17, brought to you by Intel. Welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're at Super Computing 2017 in Denver, Colorado talking about big big iron, we're talking about space and new frontiers, black holes, mapping the brain. That's all fine and dandy, but we're going to have a little bit more fun this next segment. We're excited to have our next guest Bernie Spang. He's a VP Software Defined Infrastructure for IBM. And his buddy and guest Wayne Glanfield HPC Manager for Red Bull Racing. And for those of you that don't know, that's not the pickup trucks, it's not the guy jumping out of space, this is the Formula One racing team. The fastest, most advanced race cars in the world. So gentlemen, first off welcome. Thank you. Thank you Jeff. So what is a race car company doing here for a super computing conference? Obviously we're very interested in high performance computing so traditionally we've used a wind tunnel to do our external aerodynamics. HPC allows us to do many many more iterations, design iterations of the car. So we can actually kind of get more iterations of the designs out there and make the car go faster very quicker. So that's great, you're not limited to how many times you can get it in the wind tunnel. The time you have in the wind tunnel. I'm sure there's all types of restrictions, cost and otherwise. There's lots of restrictions and both the wind tunnel and in HPC usage. So with HPC we're limited to 25 teraflops, which isn't many teraflops. 25 teraflops. >> Wayne: That's all. And Bernie, how did IBM get involved in Formula One racing? Well I mean our spectrum computing offerings are about virtualizing clusters to optimize efficiency, and the performance of the workloads. So our Spectrum LSF offering is used by manufacturers, designers to get ultimate efficiency out of the infrastructure. So with the Formula One restrictions on the teraflops you want to get as much work through that system as efficiently as you can. And that's where Spectrum computing comes in. That's great. And so again, back to the simulations. So not only can you just do simulations 'cause you got the capacity, but then you can customize it as you said I think before we turned on the cameras for specific tracks, specific race conditions. All types of variables that you couldn't do very easily in a traditional wind tunnel. Yes obviously it takes a lot longer to actually kind of develop, create, and rapid prototype the models and get them in the wind tunnel, and actually test them. And it's obviously much more expensive. So by having a HPC facility we can actually kind of do the design simulations in a virtual environment. So what's been kind of the ahah from that? Is it just simply more better faster data? Is there some other kind of transformational thing that you observed as a team when you started doing this type of simulation versus just physical simulation in a wind tunnel? We started using HPC and computational fluid dynamics about 12 years ago in anger. Traditionally it started out as a complementary tool to the wind tunnel. But now with the advances in HPC technology and software from IBM, it's actually beginning to overtake the wind tunnel. So it's actually kind of driving the way we design the car these days. That's great. So Bernie, working with super high end performance, right, where everything is really optimized to get that car to go a little bit faster, just a little bit faster. Right. Pretty exciting space to work in, you know, there's a lot of other great applications, aerospace, genomics, this and that. But this is kind of a fun thing you can actually put your hands on. Oh it's definitely fun, it's definitely fun being with the Red Bull Racing team, and with our clients when we brief them there. But we have commercial clients in automotive design, aeronautics, semiconductor manufacturing, where getting every bit of efficiency and performance out of their infrastructure is also important. Maybe they're not limited by rules, but they're limited by money, you know and the ability to investment. And their ability to get more out of the environment gives them a competitive advantage as well. And really what's interesting about racing, and a lot of sports is you get to witness the competition. We don't get to witness the competition between big companies day to day. You're not kind of watching it in those little micro instances. So the good thing is you get to learn a lot from such a focused, relatively small team as Red Bull Racing that you can apply to other things. So what are some of the learnings as you've got work with them that you've taken back? Well certainly they push the performance of the environment, and they push us, which is a great thing for us, and for our other clients who benefit. But one of the things I think that really stands out is the culture there of the entire team no matter what their role and function. From the driver on down to everybody else are focused on winning races and winning championships. And that team view of getting every bit of performance out of everything everybody does all the time really opened our thinking to being broader than just the scheduling of the IT infrastructure, it's also about making the design team more productive and taking steps out of the process, and anything we can do there. Inclusive of the storage management, and the data management over time. So it's not just the compute environment it's also the virtualized storage environment. Right, and just massive amounts of storage. You said not only are you running and generating, I'm just going to use boatloads 'cause I'm not sure which version of the flops you're going to use. But also you got historical data, and you have result data, and you have models that need to be tweaked, and continually upgraded so that you do better the following race. Exactly, I mean we're generating petabytes of data a year and I think one of the issues which is probably different from most industries is our workflows are incredibly complex. So we have up to 200 discrete job steps for each workflow to actually kind of produce a simulation. This is where the kind of IBM Spectrum product range actually helps us do that efficiently. If you imagine an aerospace engineer, or aerodynamics engineer trying to manually manage 200 individual job steps, it just wouldn't happen very efficiently. So this is where Spectrum scale actually kind of helps us do that. So you mentioned it briefly Bernie, but just a little bit more specifically. What are some of the other industries that you guys are showcasing that are leveraging the power of Spectrum to basically win their races. Yeah so and we talked about the infrastructure and manufacturing, but they're industrial clients. But also in financial services. So think in terms of risk analytics and financial models being an important area. Also healthcare life sciences. So molecular biology, finding new drugs. When you talk about the competition and who wins right. Genomics research and advances there. Again, you need a system and an infrastructure that can chew through vast amounts of data. Both the performance and the compute, as well as the longterm management with cost efficiency of huge volumes of data. And then you need that virtualized cluster so that you can run multiple workloads many times with an infrastructure that's running in 80%, 90% efficiency. You can't afford to have silos of clusters. Right we're seeing clients that have problems where they don't have this cluster virtualization software, have cluster creep, just like in the early days we had server sprawl, right? With a different app on a different server, and we needed to virtualize the servers. Well now we're seeing cluster creep. Right the Hadoop clusters and Spark clusters, and machine learning and deep learning clusters. As well as the traditional HPC workload. So what Spectrum computing does is virtualizes that shared cluster environment so that you can run all these different kind of workloads and drive up the efficiency of the environment. 'Cause efficiency is really the key right. You got to have efficiency that's what, that's really where cloud got its start, you know, kind of eating into the traditional space, right. There's a lot of inefficient stuff out there so you got to use your resources efficiently it's way too competitive. Correct well we're also seeing inefficiencies in the use of cloud, right. >> Jeff: Absolutely. So one of the features that we've added to the Spectrum computing recently is automated dynamic cloud bursting. So we have clients who say that they've got their scientists or their design engineers spinning up clusters in the cloud to run workloads, and then leaving the servers running, and they're paying the bill. So we built in automation where we push the workload and the data over the cloud, start the servers, run the workload. When the workload's done, spin down the servers and bring the data back to the user. And it's very cost effective that way. It's pretty fun everyone talks often about the spin up, but they forget to talk about the spin down. Well that's where the cost savings is, exactly. Alright so final words, Wayne, you know as you look forward, it's super a lot of technology in Formula One racing. You know kind of what's next, where do you guys go next in terms of trying to get another edge in Formula One racing for Red Bull specifically. I mean I'm hoping they reduce the restrictions on HPC so it can actually start using CFD and the software IBM provides in a serious manner. So it can actually start pushing the technologies way beyond where they are at the moment. It's really interesting that they, that as a restriction right, you think of like plates and size of the engine, and these types of things as the rule restrictions. But they're actually restricting based on data size, your use of high performance computing. They're trying to save money basically, but. It's crazy. So whether it's a rule or you know you're share holders, everybody's trying to save money. Alright so Bernie what are you looking at, sort of 2017 is coming to an end, it's hard for me to say that as you look forward to 2018 what are some of your priorities for 2018. Well the really important thing and we're hearing it at this conference, I'm talking with the analysts and with the clients. The next generation of HPC in analytics is what we're calling machine learning, deep learning, cognitive AI, whatever you want to call it. That's just the new generation of this workload. And our Spectrum conductor offering and our new deep learning impact capability to automate the training of deep learning models, so that you can more quickly get to an accurate model like in hours or minutes, not days or weeks. That's going to a huge break through. And based on our early client experience this year, I think 2018 is going to be a breakout year for putting that to work in commercial enterprise use cases. Alright well I look forward to the briefing a year from now at Super Computing 2018. Absolutely. Alright Bernie, Wayne, thanks for taking a few minutes out of your day, appreciate it. You're welcome, thank you. Alright he's Bernie, he's Wayne, I'm Jeff Frick we're talking Formula One Red Bull Racing here at Super Computing 2017. Thanks for watching.