(lively music) >> Narrator: From San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering GitLab Commit 2020. Brought to you by GitLab. >> Hi, I'm Stu Miniman. And this is the theCUBE's exclusive coverage of GitLab Commit 2020, here in San Francisco. You might notice it's a little chilly in San Francisco today. Welcome to the program, first time against Vince Stammegna who is the senior director of engineering at Axway and you can tell by the GitLab Commit jacket that he's a speaker at the show and good thing to wear that one today, yes, Vince? >> Yes, it's very very chilly here. But we're all having a great time. >> Yeah, absolutely. It's the warmth of the community that that's keeping everyone going. First of all, I believe it's first time we have Axway on our program, so people that don't know, tell us a little bit about Axway. >> Sure, Axway is in the business of helping save your company, basically, and help them through the digital transformation. So if you've ever deposited a check electronically on your phone, you've probably, there's a 90% chance you've crossed one of our API gateways or Managed File Transfer systems. So we've helped banks, we've helped hospitals, healthcare, lots of verticals and assisting them through their digital transformation. >> Awesome, so yeah, we love talking about digital transformation. Your presentation here at Commit is actually about journey to cloud. So tell us a little bit about what that means, gets a little bit of you inside what you're going to be sharing with the community here. >> Sure, journey to the cloud is a program that we conceived a couple years ago. And it's all about bringing our company into the cloud native space as well as bringing our existing product line into the cloud, so it can run, it can scale, easy to deploy day to operations. So what we're going to talk about today is basically Axway's journey from, as an ISV going from quarterly and semi-annual deliveries to daily deployments, low change failure rates, fast lead time for changes, so. >> Yeah, it's wonderful things if you hear about DevOps it's all about how we can shorten those release cycles and have those continuous feedback loops. So how long have you been with Axway? >> I've been with Axway for four years now. >> Okay, so yeah, bring us inside a little bit that journey is, what are the ripple effects as you try to tighten things down and not get on the train but just ship and ship and ship. (chuckling) >> Yeah, absolutely. I can say that it's a journey that really requires vigilance. It's constant practice, continuous learning to be lean. So if I were to describe the journey, it's about contributing together, working as one team to build one platform. And that's across DevOps and security. We'll go into a bit about how we really shift, shift in security-left this year by working closely with them. We really took the time to seek to understand their needs as well as the security team understanding our needs in terms of continuous deployment. And we work together on a solution called the Continuous Security Review, allows us to get to the deployment frequency of multiple times per day versus the deployment frequency before that we still followed the traditional initial security review, final security review. We could only release once a sprint, two weeks. >> Yeah, a mantra we've heard at many of the shows we go to is, "security is everyone's responsibility." Was there a lot of training that needed to be done? Did you have to, did the security people kind of lock everybody in the room and make them watch films? Or how did you work through some of these changes? >> That's a great question. So there are a lot of things that our product security group does along with our cloud security team. They do have training globally for Axway not only for the development team, operations team as well. They also, we also have built cross-functional teams within our scrum teams. So our scrum teams contain what's called a SPOC, a security point of contact, DevOps point of contact, the quality point of contact. And those members of the team help that scrum team have full ownership of that service. So when you say security is everybody's job, it's really security, quality, reliability, scalability, and stability is everybody's job. And when you build those cross-functional teams, you're able to provide the team the capability to have the ownership to take those services into the cloud on a daily basis. >> All right, Vince, help us connect the dots. Axway and GitLab, what's the connection there? >> Another great question. So we became a GitLab customer back in 2015. We were on SVN primarily and through lots of acquisitions, either CVS or SVN, and we were looking at the next generation source control management tool. We actually invested and purchased GitLab for Axway in 2015 because it had non-premise offering and we needed to store all of our source code on-premise. We have contracts with the governments around the world and so that's how our journey started. But what we couldn't have imagine was how it was going to evolve. And that's why we're so happy with GitLab. They really take our feedback seriously. A lot of things that we've asked them to go ahead and implement, they've gone and iterated and implemented those things. Allowed us to test features, get faster feedback. One of the things we were looking for was EKS recently as a native way to, basically, plug an EKS as a GitLab runner and run your workloads there. That was implemented, I think, within the last release or two releases ago. So we really appreciate GitLab's responsiveness with their product. >> Okay, yes, you're talking about Amazon's Kubernetes. >> Yes. >> Of course they're so, you talked about on-premises, what is your cloud deployment? Are you multicloud now or, what's and where does Kubernetes fit in that overall discussion? >> Another great question. So our journey to cloud native started with a product called AMPLIFY Central. And what we did was, we start out with docker swarm. We evolved to cops. At the time when we had first gotten our production deployment running on cops, EKS was just in its initial phases of rolling out. We're an Amazon Premier Technology partner. And we actually help them with their evaluation of the initial bit of EKS, give them feed back. A year later, we're looking at it as a way to consolidate platform and allow our teams to focus on building a better product rather than having infrastructure overhead of upgrading infrastructure to, and going through those cycles we can just test the infrastructure before we roll it out. >> All right, so Vince, you're talking a lot about your journey to cloud, what advice do you give to your peers as they're heading down their own journey. >> The advice I give to my peers is to keep calm (chuckles) and we'll go over that in our presentation. But really, it's about behavior change. So it's not just a words that are on some paper that you walk into and you look at. You really have to embody those behaviors and have those feelings about what you're doing. And that's going to change your values and attitudes about how you act and work and help each other out. And that's how you break down silos, and ultimately that's what changes culture. It's your values, attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that culminate to build a one team, operating as one team to deliver one platform. >> Okay, so you're speaking at the show, obviously you've used GitLab quite a bit. What else, what brings you to this show? What are you hoping to get out of it? >> Just to see what our peers and fellow practitioners are doing in a cloud. See how GitLab's evolving. It was really great keynote this morning from Todd and Sid. So it's great to keep abreast as to what, even some of our customers are here today and to hear their story about how they're moving to the cloud and how might parallel and some things that we can learn from them. That's one of the key behaviors when you move towards cloud native is creating a culture of learning and that's how you grow. >> All right, well, Vince, thanks so much sharing your journey. >> Appreciate it. >> Great to meet you. >> Thanks so much too. >> Best luck with your presentation. And I'm Stu Miniman. 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